There's God wooii

Kennyswagzz:
how does travelling all over the world and causing nuisance relate to this now..??

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And what do you

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Well I don't care [quote]gggggggggg [/quote ]

Just waiting for Nigeria to break up

God please make it happen

Mr paxonel we need to chat on whasapp.....if u won't mind.


how do you split your comments like that? I mean section by section I don't know how to do that pls help...maybe the gist can go on here

paxonel:
calm down!
There is something you have omitted from this scripture unconsciously.
The story behind it.

Many will say to him Lord Lord on that day!
Who were the many? (I'm asking this question with past tense because the story is past since 2000 years ago)

There were many people who followed Christ and called him Lord Lord before he was crucified, who were the many? How many the 5000 many or multitudes who eat five loads of bread and two fishes in the wilderness ended up becoming Christians after Christ resurrection?
Acts 1:15 have the answer, they were just 120 of them left. The rest of them Christ told them i know you not. Hence, few people entered the kingdom of God.
Remember this same people prophesied, cast out demons and healed people with Christ while Christ was yet alive on earth.

What am i say?
Let's not quote scriptures written 2000 years ago and refer sinners of today to the scripture saying the scripture is talking about them there is no intelligence in doing that, because you don't know who the scripture was referring to.

You have to learn how to read scriptures intelligently, This is why white men are far better than blacks, they are very intelligent.
And so?
Does this gives us the power to judge sinners?
Whosoever has not sinned before let him cast the first stone on her.
Let's say Jerry was truly a sinner. As a church you went ahead to bring him out to confess his sin before the public as if the church is saint and do not commit sin themselves, what kind of church are you?
we know!
But Christ was patient with sinners, but your church is not
and no one is holy in that church either

So?

Chai!!! oga can't believed you type those words. don't you err because you don't know the scriptures? seriously I can see why you skipped the book of revelation......I am speechless because a Christian that said Bible(especially words of Jesus) is a story of the past,and for the people of the past have not really believed that the foundation...

let me tell you sir.The Words of Jesus is a living word forever and ever, it will remained true and applicable as long as earth exist.don't joke with the word of God.check this.

"I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world." John 17:14

WHICH WORDS DID JESUS SPEAK DURING HIS DAYS ? can't you see that Mathew also recorded that;

"And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach ALL NATIONS baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: TEACHING them to observe all things WHATSOEVER I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen." math 28:18-20

JUST THINK ABOUT THE BOLDED!! and the whole statement. Christianity is not a joke brother.


so you think the words of Jesus are stories of the ancients and for the ancient??

"Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;" heb 1:3



let me purse here sef....bro do you really believed that JESUS IS GOD!!!? Who is God sef? do you really understand what you are saying at all.


that's how Daddy freeze do err woooo......


LESSON:ALWAYS REMEMBER that JESUS IS/WAS/AND still GOD.


FINALLY: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." 2tim 3:


I can't argue with you about the word of God.may God give us understanding all.thanks

paxonel:
don't misunderstand me.
No one has absolute knowledge. All I'm saying is there is a level of knowledge about Christ that when you have it you will be break free from religion.
the right question you should ask is, do i believe in Christ?
If i tell you i believe in Christ that should settle everything between us, cos we are all one in Christ irrespective of our denomination.

But by the time you start asking are you born again?
Have you ever asked a Muslim that question are you born again and hear what he will answer you?
it doesn't matter whether I'm good or not.
The same thing applies to Jerry your pastors son.
Look, before now i have known that boy Jerry,the other of his brother i don't know much about him.
The boy Jerry i know is very vast, knowledgeable to the core, deeper life should be very proud to have someone like him.
The way he reasons is almost totally out of the scope of religion his father thought him, Ofcourse this explains the lot of controversies surrounded his wedding back then in Jamaica. It was as if he was not groomed in deeper life.
His wife, another controversy, a smart lady.

whatever you people think about that boy in deeper life one thing i know about him is his interest is to unite the body Christ in general and not just deeper life and it doctrines. He does not preach, yet he knows better.

Come over to Jamaica or the united state where he frequently visit nobody talks about born again or religion or doctrines. All we know is we all belong to Christ irrespective of who you are : so long you believe that Jesus is the Christ.

have you ever come across this?..."Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." math 7:21-23.


"He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil." I john 3:8


"For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie." Rev 22



so sin is not a negotiable thing in Christ Jesus.Its all about holiness without you can't see the Lord bro.there can never be any other way.the better a man understand that even a simple lie is against the knowledge of Christ Jesus the better for him.

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efex01:
Ugly guy I agreed
Must I have a car or use I phone beg before can be called I handsome guy

oga na TB u be....I lie??

CHAI!!

https://answering-islam.org/Campbell/s2c1.html

*STRICTLY FOR EVANGELIST*

Are you interested in preaching the gospel to the lost. be patient to go through this article I JAM ON IT online. very educative and revealing.

https://answering-islam.org/Campbell/s2c1.html

Rashduct4luv:


Logic 1. So because David called an unnamed person Lord does that mean he is refering to Jesus? I can say he is referring to Muhammad too.

Logic 2. Even if David was referring to Jesus as Lord, does that mean He is God?

Logic 3. Who amalgamated Nigeria in 1914? Lord Lugard. Is it small "l" or big "L"? Big L. Is Lugard God too because people call him Lord?

Question to take home: Was their a special difference in words translated as God, god, angel, lord in the Bible?

In Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek from which the Bible was translated was there anything like capital and small letters? how come you are saying capital L or small L now.



Who's word was John 1 vs 1? It was John's not Jesus's. John said in the beginning was the word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Purposely misinterpreted the verse you quoted above by saying Jesus called himself one with God. All na lie. I will give the full text here.

John 17:20-26

20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.

The words in bold is what you rely on but on reading it to the words in red, we now understand that what Jesus meant was entirely different from what you said.

How can Jesus be one with God and be one with his followers? It was a Proverb/Parable. Oneness of purpose! Not Godhead! Not trinity!

O People of the Scripture. do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.
— Qur'an, sura 4 (An-Nisa), ayat 171

hahahahha...
Logic 1: lol that's why he ask them..who was David referring to,the unknown person? No one can interpret. "Lord said to Lord" or" God said to God"...means same person not "Lord to my lord,God to my god"
Logic 2: yes sir.the Lord God is our Lord and Jesus is Lord......why do you think Jesus ask them? Because he wants to know hmmm
Logic 3: lol the capital L means the same person(chech English)....its something to take note of. Its like" Lord lugard said to Lord lugard"...what does that mean?hope that answered my home work.... L&L means same thing in that context.


And concerning John1:1....I showed you who Jesus is according to John by the inspiration of the Holy ghost that,"from the beginning was God&/Word,and the Lord God our Lord is one.the word now became flesh and dwell among us who is Jesus our Lord God".....you get it?


Concerning John17:...he said" father as you are in me and I in you...that's not a parable its a prayer to God."as many as have received him he gave them power to become sons of God"....so Jesus was not saying parable its prayer and deceleration of who they are......


see this; john 14:23 "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him."


Is that a parable, that they will come,and make their abode with him?....so no argue Father=son=one

CHAPTER I WHAT THE QUR'AN SAYS ABOUT THE BIBLE Whenever a Christian quotes the Bible to a Muslim in order to establish why he believes something, the Muslim almost always responds by saying, " BUT YOU CHANGED YOUR BIBLE. " In making this very serious accusation Muslims usually use the word "harrafa" and quote verses from the Qur'an where this word is used. Therefore in this chapter, we are going to make a detailed study of what the Qur'an actually says about the Torah of Moses, the Psalms (Zabur) of David and the Gospel (Injil) of Jesus. At this point someone will surely say, "But how can a non- Muslim make any valid study of the Qur'an?" I would be the first to agree that there is some validity to this objection in the sense, that to understand a book from "the inside" requires a prior commitment to the "world view" of that book. However since the Qur'an says of itself that it is a "clear book" written in "a clear Arabic" (`arabiyun mubinun) so that the unbelieving Quraish could understand, we are going to make a study in the same way that Christians would study such a question in the Bible. We are going to look at all the verses which have any bearing on the subject and examine them in their context. Sometimes this context is only one verse or even half of a verse. But sometimes, it is necessary to examine a whole page in order to show clearly the meaning of a word or phrase. Muslim writers have also begun to recognize the need for this type of study. In the preface to his book, God of Justice , Dr. Daud Rahbar writes, "If we are to construct a fair narrative of Muslim Theology and Quranic Exegesis, the first important prerequisite of this study will be a knowledge of what the Qur'an meant to the Prophet and people round him within their historical context." He goes on to say that commentators of the Qur'an did not coordinate and compare all the verses on a subject before giving their interpretation. As an obvious, but unimportant example, he speaks of Al-Baidawi commenting that in the phrase "earth and heaven", earth is mentioned first "for when you have to climb, you move from bottom upwards." Dr. Rahbar goes on to say, "Thereupon, I looked up Baidawi for several passages of the Qur'an in which the very phrase occurs with `the heaven' preceding `the earth', but here obviously Baidawi failed to remember what he had said previously." At the end of his preface Dr. Rahbar claims to be the first Muslim to make this type of coordinated study. He says, "After all, an exhaustive collection is the full data. What right have we to quote a couple of passages on a subject when there are another three hundred on the same? Of this pioneer aspect of the work I am absolutely sure. Muslim scholarship is invited to improve upon the analysis or classifications of the exhaustive collections of Quranic contexts made herein, but that classified exhaustive collections are made here for the first time none will deny." For the English translation of the Quranic passages I have used The Holy Qur'an as translated by Abdullah Yusuf Ali as a starting point. However, on many occasions where it seemed that Muhammad Pickthall in English or Muhammad Hamidullah's French translation were closer to the original I have used them, and rarely I have used an idea from Masson's French translation. In addition, there are some verses where the Arabic words were so important to the discussion that I chose to make my own literal translation. This bends the English out of shape, but my purpose was to allow those readers who are not familiar with Arabic to enter into the discussion. We will start with the Quranic verses referring to the Torah at the time of Jesus and then move forward through history to the verses referring to the Torah and the Gospel during the life of Muhammad. Finally we will look at the verses which specifically refer to tahrif (change). Now, having set the stage with these explanatory remarks, I here present my exhaustive study of what the Qur'an says about the Bible. A. VERSES SHOWING THE TORAH TO BE TRUE AT THE TIME OF JESUS A1. Mary (Maryam) 19:12, Middle Meccan in -7 AH. God says, "` Oh Yahya! (John the Baptist) take hold of the Book with might': and We gave him wisdom as a child." A2. The Family of `Imran (Ali `Imran) 3:48, 2-3 AH. The Angel Gabriel is speaking to Mary about Jesus before Jesus' birth and says: " And he (God) will teach him the book and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel" A3. The Forbidding (Al-Tahrim) 66:12, 7 AH. "and Mary (Jesus' mother)... believed in the words of her Lord and His Books " A4. The Family of `Imran (Ali `Imran) 3:49-50, 2-3 AH. Jesus says, "I have come to you...attesting to (the truth of) what is between my hands of the Torah, and to make lawful to you a part of that which is forbidden to you." A5. The Battle Array (Al-Saff) 61:6, from 3 AH. "And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: `Oh Children of Israel! I am the apostle of God to you, confirming that which IS between my hands from the Torah... '" A6. The Table (Al-Ma'ida) 5:49, 10 AH. "And in their footsteps (of Moses and the Jews) We sent Jesus the son of Mary, attesting to (the truth of) the Torah which was between his hands; and We gave him the Gospel - therein is guidance and light and attesting to (the truth of) the Torah which was between his hands: a guidance and an admonition to the righteous." A7. 5:113. "Then will God say, `O Jesus son of Mary! Recount my favor to you and to your mother when I strengthened you with the Holy Spirit, so that you spoke to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught you the Book and Wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel... According to these verses, the last of which came in the final revelation of 10 AH, John the Baptist (Yahya) was commanded to take hold of the "Book" [A1]; Mary the mother of Jesus believed in God's "Books" [A3]; God promised before Jesus was born to teach him the Torah [A2]; Jesus said that his Gospel "attested to the truth of the Torah between his hands" [A4,A5]; and God attests, in Muhammad's time, that He taught Jesus the Torah [A6,A7]. We can only conclude from this that the True Unchanged Torah was present in the first century when Jesus lived. Since the Sura of The Forbidding (Al-Tahrim) from 7 AH quoted above [A3] says that Mary believed in "His (God's) Books" (kutubihi), this must refer to the Books which the other Prophets brought to the Jews, as well as the Torah of Moses. B. VERSES SHOWING THAT TRUE CHRISTIANS WERE LIVING DURING THE PERIOD BETWEEN JESUS AND MUHAMMAD B1. The Table (Al-Ma'ida) 5:113-114, 10 AH. "Then will God say, `O Jesus son of Mary! Recount my favor to you... Behold! I taught you the Book and Wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel ... "And behold! I inspired the disciples (al-hawariyun) to have faith in Me and My apostle (Jesus). They said (to Jesus), `We have faith and (you must) bear witness that we are Muslims (submitted ones). " B2. The Family of `Imran (Ali `Imran) 3:52-53, 2-3 AH. "When Jesus found unbelief on their part he said, `Who will be my helpers to (the work of) God?' The disciples said, `We are God's helpers. We believe in God and (you must) bear witness that we are Muslims (submitted ones). "`Our Lord we believe in what You have revealed and we follow the apostle (Jesus).'" B3. The Battle Array (Al-Saff) 61:14, 3 AH. "O ye who believe! Be ye helpers of God: as said Jesus the son of Mary to the disciples, `Who will be my helpers for God?' The Disciples said, `We are God's helpers!' Then a portion of the Children of Israel believed, and a portion disbelieved: but We gave power to those who believed against their enemies, and they became the ones that prevailed. " B4. Iron (Al-Hadid) 57:26-27, from 8 AH. "And We sent Noah and Abraham, and established in their descendants prophecy and the Book: and some of them are rightly guided, but many are rebellious. "Then We sent after them our apostles and We sent Jesus the son of Mary, and bestowed on him the Gospel; and We ordained in the hearts of those who followed him compassion and mercy; and monasticism, they invented it. We did not command it...yet We bestowed on those among them who believed, their due reward, but many of them are rebellious." cp. 5:85. We learn from this verse that although monasticism is not of God, there were true believers among these followers of Jesus who received their "due reward" (in heaven). Historically, monasticism started in the 4th century, although certain men, such as Paul of Thebes, lived a separate life as hermits in the third century. St. Anthony of Egypt was the first to organize even a loose group in 305 AD, and in the Sinai, too, monasticism began about the same time. B5. The Cave (Al-Kahf) 18:10,25, Meccan. "Behold, the youths betook themselves to the Cave. They said, `Our Lord! Bestow on us mercy from Yourself, and dispose of our affair for us in the right way' ..." So they stayed in their Cave three hundred years, and (some) add nine (more)..." Yusuf Ali, in several notes to his translation of the Qur'an, refers this to 7 young Christian men of Ephesus who, while fleeing from persecution, hid in a cave and did not wake up for 300 yrs. He discusses various dates which terminate between 440 and 450 AD, and says that the Khalifa Wathiq (842-846 AD) sent an expedition to examine and identify the locality. Hamidullah mentions this possibility, but thinks that the passage refers to a time well before Christianity. However, Toufiq Al-Hakim in his play Ahel Al-Kahf describes them clearly as Christians. B6. The Zodiacal Signs (Al-Buruj) 85:4-9, Early Meccan. "Woe to the makers of the pit (of fire), fire supplied with fuel, Behold, they sat over against the (fire), and they witnessed (all) that they were doing against the believers. And they ill-treated them for no other reason than that they believed in God..." Hamidullah, in the notes to his translation, refers this to a Jewish King of Yemen, Dhou Nuwas, who during the 6th century persecuted the Christians, burning alive those who didn't want to become Jews. The Khalifa Omar built a large Mosque in Yemen to honor these Christians. Yusuf Ali also mentions it as one of three possible explanations. The first three references clearly refer to Jesus' followers as being "inspired" by God to follow the Messiah [B1], choosing to be "God's helpers" [B2.B3], and "becoming the ones who prevailed" [B3]. In addition some true believers remained even when monasticism was practiced [B4] starting in the 4th century in Egypt. If references [B5] and [B6] were understood by Muhammad and the people of Mecca in their historical context to refer to Christians, then these are Quranic attestations that there were true Christians, acceptable to God, in Ephesus (Modern Turkey) in 450 AD; and in Yemen in the 6th Century when these Christian Martyrs were burned alive. Admittedly the verses say nothing about the doctrines of these Christians. But true believers in groups as far apart as Turkey and Yemen would surely have left copies of their scriptures and writings -- some of which would have come down to us. If their scriptures had been different from the Torah and the Gospel which we know today, then we would certainly have found their traces. C. VERSES SHOWING THAT THE TORAH AND THE GOSPEL WERE TRUE AND UNCHANGED AT THE TIME OF MUHAMMAD. C1. The City of Saba (Saba) 34:31, Early Meccan. "And the unbelievers say, `We will not believe in this Qur'an, nor in that which IS between his (its) hands (the Torah and the Gospel) '..." Note: The CAPITAL LETTERS show verbs which are in the present tense for Muhammad and his people. Italics have been used for phrases speaking of groups of Jews or Christians at the time of Muhammad spoken of as believers or unbelievers in order to emphasize that there were always some true believers who would not have changed their own scriptures. C2. The Originator of Creation (Fatir) 35:31, Early Meccan. "That which we have revealed to you of the Book is the truth, attesting to (the truth of) that which IS between his (its) hands (the Torah and Gospel) ..." C3. Jonah (Yunus) 10:37, Late Meccan. "This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than God; but it is a verification of that (the Torah and Gospel) which IS between his (its) hands, and the explanation of the book, wherein there IS no doubt , from the Lord of the worlds." C4. Joseph (Yusuf) 12:111, Late Meccan. "... It (the Qur'an) is not a fabricated story, but a verification of that (the Torah and Gospel) which IS between his (its) hands , a detailed explanation, a guide and a mercy to the people who believe." C5. The Cattle (Al-An`am) 6:154-157, Late Meccan. "Then We gave Moses the Book complete as to whatever is excellent, and explaining all things in detail, and a guide and a mercy, that they might believe in the meeting with their Lord. And this (the Qur'an) is a Book which We have revealed, blessed: so follow it and be righteous, that you may receive mercy: lest you should say, `The Book was sent down to two peoples before us, and for our part, we remained unacquainted with all that they learned by assiduous study;' or lest you should say: `If the Book (Torah and Gospel) had only been sent down to us, we should have followed its guidance better than they.' " C6. The Believer (Al-Mu'min) 40:69-70, Late Meccan. "Do you (Muhammad) not see those who dispute concerning the signs of God? How are they turned away? Those who REJECT the Book, and that (book) with which We sent our apostles , they shall know when the collars shall be around their necks, and the chains, they shall be dragged along." C7. Winding Sand Tracts (Al-Ahqaf) 46:12, Late Meccan. "And before this was the Book of Moses as a guide and a mercy: and this Book is a verification (of it) in the Arabic tongue to warn those who transgress and as glad tidings to the righteous." C8. 46:29-30. "Behold, We turned towards you a company of Jinns listening to the Qur'an...When the (reading) was finished they returned to their people as warners. They said, `O our people! we have heard a Book revealed after Moses attesting to (the truth of) that which IS between his (its) hands (the Torah) - guiding to the truth and to a straight path.'" C9. The Heifer (Al-Baqara) 2:91, 2 AH. "When it is said to them, `Believe in what God has sent down,' they say, `We believe in what was sent down to us (the Torah)' : yet they reject all besides, even if it be truth attesting to (the truth of) what IS WITH THEM (the Torah) ..." C10. Family of `Imran (Ali `Imran) 3:3, 2-3 AH. "It is He (God) who sent down to thee the Book in truth, attesting to (the truth of) what IS between its (his) hands (the Bible), and He sent down the Torah and the Gospel before this as a guide to mankind." C11. The Women (Al-Nisa') 4:162-163, 5-6 AH. "But those of them (the Jews) that are grounded in knowledge, and the believers, BELIEVE in that which has been revealed to you (Muhammad) and in that which has been revealed before you ... We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the prophets after him, and We sent inspiration to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, and to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David we gave the Psalms." C12. Repentance (Al-Tauba) 9:111, 9 AH. "God has bought from the believers their selves and their wealth, and for them is the garden (of Paradise) if they fight in the ways of God: and whether they kill or are killed, the promise of God IS true in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an , and who is more faithful to his promise than God?" C13. The Table (Al-Ma'ida) 5:51, 10 AH. "To you (Muhammad) We revealed the book in truth, attesting to (the truth of) that which IS between his (its) hands from the scripture (the Torah and Gospel), and guarding it (wa muhaiminan `alaihi) ..." We find in these verses a strong testimony to the Torah and the Gospel as being true and present at the time of Muhammad. The Qur'an is an Arabic "verification" of the Book of Moses [C7] which is necessary because the Meccans couldn't understand what "the two peoples before" them had learned by "assiduous study"; or they would have followed it better" [C5]. Further, it is an explanation of the Torah and the Gospel "wherein there IS no doubt" [C3], and a guard over it [C13]. The Meccans say, "We will not believe in the Qur'an, nor in that which IS between its hands" of the Torah and the Gospel [C1]. Some of the Jews say that they believe only in what was sent to them even if the Qur'an attests to (the truth of) "what IS WITH THEM" [C9]. The warning is given that those who REJECT (now) the Qur'an and "that (the former books) which we sent our apostles" will be judged [C6]. "But those of the Jews who are grounded in knowledge BELIEVE " in what was revealed to Muhammad and in (the Torah) which was revealed before him [C11]; and the Jinns also believe in both the Qur'an and the Torah [C8]. In the Sura of Repentance, one of the last revelations given, it says, "The promise of God IS true in the Torah, the Gospel, and the Qur'an" [C12]. Finally it is necessary to mention the phrase "between his hands" (bain yadaihi) found in many of these verses [C2,C3,C4,C8,C10,C13 and A5,A6 above]. I have chosen to translate it word for word because that gives the sense of the present tense which it has. Sometimes it has the literal meaning "between or in his hands", but usually it is an idiom for "in his presence", or "in his power", or "in his possession", or "at his disposal". Examples are "The words are between your hands", meaning "you have the floor" or "you may speak". "No weapons are between his hands", meaning "he is unarmed". Sura 34:12 speaks of Solomon and "the Jinns who worked between his hands". In the text Yusuf Ali translates this passage as "worked in front of him", but in a note he explains, the Jinns "worked under his eyes". The sense of these verses, therefore is that the Qur'an has come to confirm, attest to and verify the Torah and the Gospel which are now "in its presence" or "before its eyes". With the other verses discussed above from this section they show that Muhammad acknowledged the existence of a valid Torah and Gospel "under his eyes".

Empiree:
See why i am reluctant to respond to you? Because your write up is boring me

is that your excuse oga?.....talk if you have anything to add to what your brother said, that the scripture=Torah&gospel which have been in existence 600 years before so called Mohammed. gospel(injil) is never ever lost neither Torah for Mohammed sef met them ........all are here.Jesus preached to people from Torah,and his gospel is recorded by his followers up till date.NA YOU DEY WATER.....know the truth and the truth shall set you free. ONLY JESUS CAN SAVE!......if you wanna add something say,if you don't stay mute and believe(because I never insulted you,nor Islam,but discuss the scriptures and see the truth) peace!

Rashduct4luv:


Stop all this rantings and exessive mentions! I just saw 9 mentions now.

The Qur'an was not yet fully compiled when that verse was revealed. Also the Bible was not compiled as at then. So the scriptures were Injeel and Tawrah! And i have told you that the Tawrah is not OT/ Pentateuch and Injeel is not "Letters" nor "Books according to".

The questions i asked was simple. The Qur'an was compiled between the 7/8th century while the Bible in the form it is now was compiled between the 16/17th century. How can the Qur'an now refer to the Bible that was compiled almost a thousand of years later?

CHINEKEEE!!! COME AND SEE WOOO.....FINALLY THERE HAVE SAID THE TRUTH. can't believed you said this that". .. the scriptures were Injeel and Tawrah!.."

what is injeel?=Teachings of Jesus
what is Tawarah?=scripture of John the Baptist

so Mohammed commanded ISLAM to ask people that heard the teachings of Jesus& that of John the Baptist right?...very clear! malvisguy212 can you hear them?


As far as religion is concern Jesus left 600 years before Qur'an came to existence. weather his teaching were COMPILED OR NOT. all Islam should know that Mohammed commanded them to ask those that have the recorded teachings of Jesus&John. and Christianity have the sure records of Jesus by his dicples(followers not only the 12) like John,Mathew,mark,Paul,peter,James,Luke etc THE WHOLE WORLD BELIEVED AND PROVED THAT TRULY JESUS CAME LIVED FOR 33 YEARS WITH THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE BEFORE HE DIED.EVEN QUR'AN AGREES JESUS CAME.so why arguing with Christian when they show you the teachings of that same Jesus Qur'an referred you guys to ask/ follow his wordswhy arguing words of John the Baptist? why arguing words of John,peter,Paul,Mathew,Luke,John?...... ARE YOU DENYING THEM OF NOT SAYING THE RIGHT THINGS as witnesses to Jesus 600 years before the birth of Qur'an?? haba haba ....can't you see the truth? empiree, rashduct4luv,butaadum(sorry for too much mentions,no vess i just want you to be notified,nothing more)

Empiree:
Lord have mercy!

This man still asking this question 5 years later after you were duly answered years ago?. Man, your are something else.

how many seconds will that take you oga empiree&rashduct4luv...just tell us which scripture is Mohammed/Allah/Qur'an referring to? Remember


1-Quran was not given then
2-Jesus's scripture that Allah gave him(according to Islam) is lost
3-the scripture Allah ask John to take with determination was Tawrah.



So tell us which scripture, isn't that the Bible?...just thinking. DON'T DODGE IT WITH EXCUSES .....give us solid answer bro malvisguy212 let's hear them.

Rashduct4luv:


Logic 1. So because David called an unnamed person Lord does that mean he is refering to Jesus? I can say he is referring to Muhammad too.

Logic 2. Even if David was referring to Jesus as Lord, does that mean He is God?

Logic 3. Who amalgamated Nigeria in 1914? Lord Lugard. Is it small "l" or big "L"? Big L. Is Lugard God too because people call him Lord?

Question to take home: Was their a special difference in words translated as God, god, angel, lord in the Bible?

In Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek from which the Bible was translated was there anything like capital and small letters? how come you are saying capital L or small L now.



Who's word was John 1 vs 1? It was John's not Jesus's. John said in the beginning was the word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Purposely misinterpreted the verse you quoted above by saying Jesus called himself one with God. All na lie. I will give the full text here.

John 17:20-26

20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.

The words in bold is what you rely on but on reading it to the words in red, we now understand that what Jesus meant was entirely different from what you said.

How can Jesus be one with God and be one with his followers? It was a Proverb/Parable. Oneness of purpose! Not Godhead! Not trinity!

O People of the Scripture. do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.
— Qur'an, sura 4 (An-Nisa), ayat 171

hahahahha...

Logic 1: lol that's why he ask them..who was David referring to,the unknown person? No one can interpret. "Lord said to Lord" or" God said to God"...means same person not "Lord to my lord,God to my god"

Logic 2: yes sir.the Lord God is our Lord and Jesus is Lord......why do you think Jesus ask them? Because he wants to know hmmm

Logic 3: lol the capital L means the same person(chech English)....its something to take note of. Its like" Lord lugard said to Lord lugard"...what does that mean?hope that answered my home work.... L&L means same thing in that context.


And concerning John1:1....I showed you who Jesus is according to John by the inspiration of the Holy ghost that,"from the beginning was God&/Word,and the Lord God our Lord is one.the word now became flesh and dwell among us who is Jesus our Lord God".....you get it?




Concerning mark....he said" father as you are in me and I in you...that's not a parable its a prayer to God."as many as have received him he gave them power to become sons of God"....so Jesus was not saying parable its prayer and deceleration of who they are......see this john 14:23 "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him." Is that a parable, that they will come,and make their abode with him?....so no argue Father=son=one

Rashduct4luv:


Don't start this again! The Bible is not scripture! Bible was a name given to a collection of Books by who?

Who gave the Bible its name sef? The starter of Christianity forgot to name his Book and his religion.

Where did Allah say He would preserve the Book of Abraham, Moses, Jesus, David?Note that those Books were for specific people not for all mankind!

Now i remember what i read about Reno Omokri. He dealt a big blow to Christianity.

He wrote: Let me shock you. Yeshua came to show us the Way to God because He, Yeshua, is the only Way to God. He is the everlasting Melchizedek High Priest. The Mediator between God and man. But He is not the Almighty God. That is a European concept. Yeshua never claimed to be God. Many Christians read John 1:1 in The Bible (not the Scriptures) and use that to claim that Yeshua is God. I will urge you to get the original Greek Scriptures (see the attached picture) and even if you can't read Greek, just study that verse." PAY ATTENTION: Personal letter from the Editor-in-Chief of Legit.ng (former NAIJ.com) "This is the verse in pure Greek (Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος). Here is the verse in Latin, which may be easier for laymen (In principio erat Verbum, et Verbum erat apud Deum, et Deus erat Verbum). Notice the words Deum and Deus are used to describe the first and second mention of God.

"Although you may not be able to read the Greek, what John 1:1 says when translated without changing the words used for God is this "in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with Theon and the Word was Theos". The original Scriptures did not use the same word for the first mention of God and the second mention. The word used in the first mention is Theon (which refers to the Almighty. The word in the second mention is THEOS which is what is used to refer to Yeshua.This is why Scripture says "my people perish for lack of knowledge"-Hosea 4:6. #YeshuaNotJesus""


https://www.legit.ng/1254244-jesus-god-reno-omokri-says.html

cc: Informer155

They keep saying why is the Qur'an in Arabic. Abeg leave Qur'an alone and sort out the big translation mess you have!

I wonder woo help me ask them mr malvisguy212.which scripture is Qur'an referring to, knowing that the scripture given to Jesus is lost(according to them),and that given/instructed to John is Tawrah....if its not the Bible that Quran talks about,which scripture then do Quran ask you guys to visit? ...talk am listening,explain to me




so you see your lies?rashduct4luv,Geoafrikana,empiree.,butaadum....abeg come to Bible to see the truth as Mohammed have told you.ONLY JESUS CAN SAVE

GeoAfrikana:

Please don't mention me again.

why then you mention me again?avoid me first...ONLY JESUS CAN SAVE YOU .

.
to bring an end to your ISLAMIC questions of where Jesus said worship me.thank God you guys can read.let me show you


*HEAR WHAT JESUS SAID"
"And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment." Mark 12:29-30

What's is the first comandement? The Lord our God is one Lord and love him with all. right?....now check below

Mark 12:35
"And Jesus answered and said, while he taught in the temple, How say the scribes that Christ is the Son of David?
For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool."

Have you read it well...exactly the questions you guys always ask Christian. "How can Jesus be son of David and also Lord God"....the Lord said to my Lord (capital leter L) what's does that mean?it means....Our Lord God is one Lord and Jesus is Lord! (Do you now agree that Jesus is God,the Lord God,one God of Israel?)



2 more proof:

"That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me." Jihn17:21.......as thou father in me and I in thee.....are they not one then?



See this also:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.In him was life; and the life was the light of men....And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." .....haba do you see what am seeing here:


1.1st command..."the Lord our God is one,love him with all your heart,soul, mind and strength " who is God? Father of Jesus,Lord,and the word. right?
2-God is one=our Lord=Father=word=one God right?
3-who is Jesus? He is Lord also our God,word of God,and son of the Father (who is also one with him) right?



So Jesus said worship Lord your God,AND JESUS IS LORD GOD so we should worship and love him.are you satisfied?.... ONLY JESUS CAN SAVE

GeoAfrikana:

You're a waste of time.

....Only Jesus Can save you brother!.... KNOW THE TRUTH AND YOU'LL BE FREE..... peace!

Rashduct4luv:


You are foolish bro.

Luke 24:25

And He said to them, "O foolish men and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken!

Jesus can not save himself!

1.It has always being Obey God's commandment and his Prophet.
Just then, a man came up to Jesus and inquired, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to obtain eternal life?” 17“Why do you ask Me about what is good?” Jesus replied, “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.” 18“Which ones?” the man asked. Jesus answered, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not bear false witness,honor your father and mother, and love your neighbor as yourself.’All these I have kept,” said the young man. “What do I still lack?” 21 Jesus told him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me. Mathew 19:16-21

2.Jesus can not put people in heaven
Then the mother of Zebedee’s sons came to Jesus with her sons and knelt down to make a request of Him. 21“What do you want?” He asked. She answered, “Declare that in Your kingdom one of these two sons of mine will sit at Your right hand, and the other at Your left.” 22“You do not know what you are asking,” Jesus replied. “Can you drink the cup I am going to drink?” “We can,” the brothers answered
You will indeed drink My cup,” Jesus said. “But to sit at My right or left is not Mine to grant. These seats belong to those for whom My Father has prepared them. Matthew 20:20-23

3.Jesus can perform Miracles as human but does not know the hour. His knowledge is limited.
Jesus said: "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. (Matthew 24:36)

4.Jesus prayed to the father by bowing. He was really afraid. God praying to God? Was God praying to himself here?
Going a little farther, he (Jesus) fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father... (Mathew 26:39)
So he (Jesus) left them and went away once more and prayed the third time, saying the same thing. (Matthew 26:44)
One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God. (Luke 6:12)

Please do not mention me again if you can't answer my questions.

Jesus is entirely human not God.
God is God and cannot become Human. He sends Prophets and Angels to humans.

I testify that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and that Muhammad and 'Eesa son of Maryam are both Messengers and slaves of Allah.

Here is your answer.......
to bring an end to your ISLAMIC questions of where Jesus said worship me.thank God you guys can read.let me show you and empiree.thank God you'll know the commandments .......


*HEAR WHAT JESUS SAID"
"And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment." Mark 12:29-30

What's is the first comandement? The Lord our God is one Lord and love him with all. right?....now check below

Mark 12:35
"And Jesus answered and said, while he taught in the temple, How say the scribes that Christ is the Son of David?
For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool."

Have you read it well...exactly the questions you guys always ask Christian. "How can Jesus be son of David and also Lord God"....the Lord said to my Lord (capital leter L) what's does that mean?it means....Our Lord God is one Lord and Jesus is Lord! (Do you now agree that Jesus is God,the Lord God,one God of Israel?)



2 more proof:

"That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me." Jihn17:21.......as thou father in me and I in thee.....are they not one then?



See this also:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.In him was life; and the life was the light of men....And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." .....haba do you see what am seeing here:


1.1st command..."the Lord our God is one,love him with all your heart,soul, mind and strength " who is God? Father of Jesus,Lord,and the word. right?
2-God is one=our Lord=Father=word=one God right?
3-who is Jesus? He is Lord also our God,word of God,and son of the Father (who is also one with him) right?



So Jesus said worship Lord your God(command that Islam claimed),AND JESUS IS LORD GOD so we should worship and love him.are you satisfied that Jesus said we should worship him he is Lord God our Lord?.... ONLY JESUS CAN SAVE

Rashduct4luv:


Open the dictionary and check what username and Moniker mean! You may or may not use your real name. This is not a lie. Who is GeoAfrikana cos i am Rashduct4luv. I have sense o the question is do you? It seems you are confused! Liars are lies. You already knew what you are going in to.




O what negative things has the holy spirit shown you? Subhanallah, All those apps are islamicised on my phone. You turn off unwanted news. You download only from trusted friends... If i explain will you even understand?

If your Jesus was alive today will he also do same as you?

lols do I even have time for that....deleting or blocking them is not what I do oga we don't islamized things instead we crucified them........my heart is not there ,its no longer I that live but Christ in me.I am not of the flesh.I am a light shining in darkness, I don't block friends,or stop browsing because sin is there.However its very important to flee and block those things.. But I was trying to show him that,it is not because we have words,writings,photos(e.g emojis of gays,Islam,Hinduism etc on WhatsApp and Facebook. Nairaland,etc.then they will affect us) its what is in your heart.For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:............so its good to avoid sin,but because there's sin around us(online, offline) we should not fall into it neither because we saw then we got defiled (like in Islam).No! Its when your heart agrees with that thing you saw and you do it.YOU CANT FALL.......I still remained that( the words of Islam on my profile is not me)

Rashduct4luv:


Do you know the meaning of delusion? Maybe you slept and dreamt of fishing fishes not men! Do you have a verse where Jesus said I am the Lord your God, worship me! Na! Just conjectures! Keep dodging all the verses.

to bring an end to your ISLAMIC questions if where Jesus said worship me.thank God you guys can read.let me show you and empiree


*HEAR WHAT JESUS SAID"
"And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment." Mark 12:29-30

What's is the first comandement? The Lord our God is one Lord and love him with all. right?....now check below

Mark 12:35
"And Jesus answered and said, while he taught in the temple, How say the scribes that Christ is the Son of David?
For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool."

Have you read it well...exactly the questions you guys always ask Christian. "How can Jesus be son of David and also Lord God"....the Lord said to my Lord (capital leter L) what's does that mean?it means....Our Lord God is one Lord and Jesus is Lord! (Do you now agree that Jesus is God,the Lord God,one God of Israel?)



2 more proof:

"That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me." Jihn17:21.......as thou father in me and I in thee.....are they not one then?



See this also:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.In him was life; and the life was the light of men....And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." .....haba do you see what am seeing here:


1.1st command..."the Lord our God is one,love him with all your heart,soul, mind and strength " who is God? Father of Jesus,Lord,and the word. right?
2-God is one=our Lord=Father=word=one God right?
3-who is Jesus? He is Lord also our God,word of God,and son of the Father (who is also one with him) right?



So Jesus said worship Lord your God,AND JESUS IS LORD GOD so we should worship and love him.are you satisfied?.... ONLY JESUS CAN SAVE.

Rashduct4luv:



Alhamdulillah! Now we know you can do anything to mislead us to Christianity even lie. Probably all what you have been saying was a lie after all. Even the Book you claim to believe goes against lies but "the end justifies the means" you can tell lies so far it is for the greater good. This is what Jesus of the Bible preaches.

Revelation 21:8 King James Version (KJV)

8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.




Proverbs 24:28
Do not be a witness against your neighbor without cause, And do not deceive with your lips.

Colossians 3:9
Do not lie to one another, since you laid aside the old self with its evil practices,

Exodus 23:1
"You shall not bear a false report; do not join your hand with a wicked man to be a malicious witness.

Exodus 20:16
"You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

Deuteronomy 5:20
'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

Matthew 15:19
"For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders.

Psalm 55:23
But You, O God, will bring them down to the pit of destruction; Men of bloodshed and deceit will not live out half their days But I will trust in You.

Proverbs 12:22
Lying lips are an abomination to the LORD, But those who deal faithfully are His delight.

Acts 5:3
But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land?


You will stop mentioning me soon.

if saying the truth on media is a lie....I choose to be a liar.(my phone is not me oga....let me ask you a very simple question,if you answer I will stop being active in Islam section)... What is your real name? And why using GeoAfrikana...isn't that a lie in your perspective? why not use your name but choose to lie to us here?(oga have sense pls).media words,inscriptions, etc are not what we are.....provided that you did not sin against God.do all you can preach the gospel.. Having a profile with " Allah and Mohammed " is nothing but a frame.


Do you know that your phone has some millions negative things about your faith,but as far as you a concern it doesn't affect your relationship with your God. Check your WhatsApp, Facebook accounts.... Check the negative things on your profile, sexual things, lies,pride etc....check your opera and see sinful photos and news on your phone... Does that make you a sinner?(check my profile on nairaland does that make me a Muslim?)......... Oga that is not a lie...its an inscription that give me access to share the gospel.if that's a lie I choose to be a liar, if only my message is passed.shalom.....ONLY JESUS CAN SAVE.

Empiree:
Catholics have 74 Books. Protestants 66 Books. Whichever one does "holy spirit" support?. Is it Catholics that added 7 more books or Protestants removed 7 Books?. Holy spirit can't be on both sides. So which side is if the holy spirit?

How is it that you err?.....see
1-when Jesus preach on earth, according to Islam(injeel),who inspired or gave him the scriptures? Is not Allah? (So person can preach without a written book according to Islam right? Who then give/reveal those words to them...even the Mohammad?.... So why should one said there are various Bible,books, etc so Christianity is fake or not true? If the source of the scriptures is living... He's able to show us the truth in the 77,74,or 10000 recorded stories, words,lifestyles and beyond the Bible he is able to give us another 10milion teachings if ONLY YOU HAVE THE spirit agreed thou?go and argue with your Qur'an that told you Jesus preach without a book.so why can't his followers do same because they've changed, adjusted, added,etc the records....this is our one and only gospel.....JESUS DIED FOR YOUR SIN,RESSURECCTED TO GIVE US VICTORY AND THEN SENT DOWN A COMFOTER TO GUIDE US.AND HE IS COMING AGAIN TO CARRY US HOME......any message outside this is jara and explanations.ITS ALL ABOUT THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB OGA.....not counting books,verses,laws,recitations, washing body as it is in Islam. ONLY JESUS CAN SAVE!

2-do Mathew,Luke,john,mark use their books to preach?is it not from what they've seen,experienced, saw that they preach?...and today Christian study their records to show them the truth,way,laws about JESUS? How many books and chapter does John's scripture have?74,77 or 599.....its the inspiration of the HOLY SPIRIT AND WITNESSING that we call gosple to day oga empiree.and am glad the Holy ghost that John,Paul,Daniel, Isaiah ,Ezekiel ,Elijah, etc had is available today....oh what a privilege!!!!!!! (Only Jesus can save)......argument on numbers of books and Bible is for the blind and ignorant folks like you.

Mr GeoAfrikana concerning my profile.... you see OUR FAITH AND BELIEVE is not in words as Islam,its in heart.if all my phone, room etc is covered with "...I believe in Allah,and prophet" it have nothing to do with me because my heart have/will/never/can't agrees with that.I just see it as a Joke sef,a big lie on my profile.se.un said before I have access I must click it lol.so what's there in clicking on lies from pit of hell to share the TRUTH, WAY AND LIFE? empiree,rashduct4luv?I am not afraid of lies.....as far as Jesus is concern let his name be on everything you own,but if you didn't believed in him ,no life for you....so also Mohammed,Allah,etc.(KNOW THE TRUTH AND IT SHALL SET YOU FREE,ONLY JESUS CAN SAVE)

GeoAfrikana:


Firstly, learn how to read passages. The emboldened part is a complete fabrication from you. No one on this thread ever said it. Perhaps you should consider enrolling for summer coaching in a nearby 'pako' school.

Then, talking about lies, what kind of person testifies to something he doesn't believe in. Check your profile.

Thirdly, your Jesus that couldn't save himself on from Jewish thugs? And even condemned his "father" saying " ELOI; ELIO; LAMA SABACHTHANI".

Lastly, avoid publicising your dumbness.

who said this?.."Firstly, there's no verse of the Quran or Hadith to support the claim that the stoning is at the devil. It was deducted by some Islamic scholars. However, such a belief should only come from revelation not from a scholar's deductions. So there's no valid proof to support the belief in the shariah.".....1-no Qur'an agrees with that.2-scholars deduced from the revelation they must have goten 3-no valid proof to support the belief in sharia.....what's is the reason then?that even in the process of doing the act of worship many died.which kind worshiping God that people die in the process yearly?


" ...made the deduction didn't say that the stones are thrown to hurt the devil. Rather they said it is a show of enmity against him and to humiliate him because he tried to sway our father Ibrahim from the obedience of Allaah" who said this......1-thrown to show enmity and to humiliate him lol what!? How possible 2-because he tried to sway father Abraham....how,when?.....


Why should I kill my self ONLY TO HUMILIATE AND SHOW ENMITY TO THE DEVIL BECAUSE HE SWAY TO FATHET ABRAHAM?..... just analyse this oga.this is not a true act of worship, better continued your 5 times prayer sef than to go to Kabba (where 5 gods are inside) throwing stones at them in the name of worship.(if its true,why can't they do it peacefully and organized sef)......that's a lie sir.KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE.ONLY JESUS CAN SAVE

GeoAfrikana:


Firstly, there's no verse of the Quran or Hadith to support the claim that the stoning is at the devil. It was deducted by some Islamic scholars. However, such a belief should only come from revelation not from a scholar's deductions. So there's no valid proof to support the belief in the shariah.

Secondly, the scholars who made the deduction didn't say that the stones are thrown to hurt the devil. Rather they said it is a show of enmity against him and to humiliate him because he tried to sway our father Ibrahim from the obedience of Allaah.
So, it's not that the devil is there in person and they're throwing stones at him.

Indeed, every act of worship is a show of enmity against the devil, every call to good and call against evil is a show of enmity against the devil.

which kind deceive is this!!...scholars deduced that Muslims should show enmity to the devil yearly by trowing stone at a place(in mecca only, running, dieng,etc in the proces)!....can you just hear yourself? ....that's a lie sir.KNOW THE TRUTH AND IT SHALL SET YOU FREE....that act is demonic and barbaric.ONLY JESUS CAN SAVE

Rashduct4luv:


Muslims don't rely on miracles for salvation. Even the devil can perform miracles.

For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. Matt 24:24

Even Babalawo sabi signs and wonders!

Defend the verses i sent to you or stop mentioning me.

can't believed you said that....that means you believed Jesus is Lord God our healer.though we can have fake ones!BUT JESUS IS THE ONLY TRUE ONE RIGHT? that's superp......Muslims rashduct4luv said don't rely on miracles for salvation but on Jesus the only begotten son of the father. ONLY JESUS CAN SAVE

Believe the gospel and have life eternal. ONLY JESUS CAN SAVE

Rashduct4luv:


Jesus is flesh and Spirit so what is Adam, Eve and Other creations? We are all flesh and spirit.

Verily, the likeness of 'Iesa (Jesus) before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!" - and he was. (Qur'an 3 vs 59).

Jesus is the servant and Prophet of Allah!

lol..u see, you are flesh and spirit. (your mum and Dad did somtin before you were born) but Jesus is the spirit (word of God from the beginning). before Adam there was Jesus.its the Jesus that puton flesh to manifest to mankind(that's why he did things like humans)....you know as far as Qur'an is concern Jesus is just a messenger so I don't have to argued that (come to Bible to see who Jesus is).......just look around the world you'll know that Jesus is Lord.(have you watched that vedeo above?).......believe the gospel and have life eternal,and out of your belly shall flow rivers of living waters.ONLY JESUS CAN SAVE

Empiree:
So you are still in this Mathew, Mark, Luke and John?. Read what your fellow CHRISTIAN had to say




Jesus is not God, Bible is different from Scriptures – Reno Omokri
nigerianeye.com Aug 13, 2019 7:25 PM


Former presidential aide and pastor at the Mind of Christ Christian Center, Remo Omokri on Tuesday said Jesus is not God.





https://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2019/08/13/jesus-is-not-god-bible-is-different-from-scriptures-reno-omokri/

lols....does that changed the presence of HOLY SPIRIT who Jesus have sent to guide us to all truths no matter how the world/men changed it? the spirit of God is here to show us all things....weither the changed Bible/scripture words are correct or not.if the spirit agrees then its correct inrespective of who said or against it. its not like Islam that reads words of does and dont sir empiree,we have the spirit that explained,interpret, analyzed, correct, show, reveal,heal,mend,change,touch,etc.....we are not alone........let there be no Bible today,christainty will still continue as far as Jesus Christ is concern.What many dont know is that "ITS ALL ABOUT THE SPIRIT(INVISIBLE) of God".Jesus died and resurrected for you and me.that's the gospel.