GloryIsaac:


Really funny to see how easy it is to get under your skin... Well, my point is clear.. If Mbaka wants to go into politics like osibanjo, he should.. And not stand from the pulpit to make controversial utterances.... 1 Pet 2: 13-17, Acts 23:1-5 ...

GloryIsaac:

Hope this ends this argument... Check 2 Tim 2:24 .. Make sure you find out the meaning of that verse..

1. You're not getting under my skin you're just stupidd. Period!

2. Jesus himself was involved in politics. He was constantly trying to influence, chastise the Sanhedrin, Scribes (Pharisees and Sadducees). These were the leaders/politicians/legislators of Israel.

Why shouldn't Fr Mbaka do as his master did? Because he wears white?

stleebaba:
Deep down there is a voice saying all these are wrong; interceding through Mary, praying the rosary, intercession of saints etc. These are all traditions not Christianity. Forget about the pride thing because someone is correcting you kindly discover it yourself.
The word is never assumed and it is clear so please stop making out things that are not. I am a Catholic with modifications rather I would say I'm a believer of God.

2Thess2:15 So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by our letter.

What St. Paul preached was tradition, not Christianity abi?

Confused "Catholic." You better listen to the Church before you become more confused.

GloryIsaac:


Stop being biased.. i've already told you that I'm not JW... I doubt if you actually checked on any of the links posted except for jw's own..
1Tim 2:1-2, Acts 23:1-5, 1 Thess 4:11-12, 1 Pet 2:13-17..

Point out where any of those verses said a priest should not get involved in politics.

GloryIsaac:


www.relevantmagazine.com/current/politics/7-things-christians-need-remember-about-politics

Is the above magazine what you mean by "Christian doctrine?"

Since when did Christian doctrine = relevantmagazine.com?

GloryIsaac:


Unfortunately, you're the dullard here.. Osinbajo clearly made his stance known to everyone that he's going into politics.. no amount of criticism would change that.. But hiding under the cover of a white cape and making utterances against a leader is simply making a mockery of the church..also read this..

theunion.com.ng/editoral/father-mbaka-and-controversial-doomsday-predictions/

Okay, so the sin is no more that a priest got involved in politics...

It's that he got involved while wearing a white cassock, instead of a suit, like Osinbajo?

With all due respect, you're very stupidd.

vooks:


What is the difference between Sirach (kecharitomen o ) and Luke ( kecharitomen e )?

Are you blind?

JackBizzle:


Wrong. The catholic church is against condoms.

Not wrong. The Catholic Church is against sex outside marriage and condoms.

Abstinence and fidelity to one's spouse is more effective in combating those diseases than using condoms

JackBizzle:



Spoken like a true slave.

If slaves speak the truth and free men are liars and fools, then let me be a slave.

You can't stand up to my points so you attack my personality. The fallacy called ad hominem.

Meanwhile you can't mention a single thing your Atheism did for Africa.

lepasharon:


Told them to stop using condoms

Told them to stop having sex outside marriage.

It's more effective in preventing HIV/STDs than using condoms.

Muafrika2:


True. But men have a way of interpreting ideas to their benefit.

It reminds me of a religion called Legio Maria. As the name suggest, it's an offshoot of the Catholic Church. It Was Started By some tribal Africans in the colonial times who wanted to keep the traditional aspects of their religion inside the new. So they broke off. It's hardly recognizable now as a former Catholic offshoot.

Legio Mariae (Legion of Mary) is not what you're claiming it is.

It is not a religion. It was not started by Africans. It has never broken off.

Legio Mariae is still found in every single Catholic Church today.

If you're ignorant, shut up.

JackBizzle:
Italo?

Wetin your catholic church don do for Africa?

The Catholic Church has thousands of schools, hospitals and charities to educate and cater for the mentally, physically and materially poor/weak.

The first ever hospital in Nigeria (Sacred Heart Hospital, Abeokuta) was a Catholic Hospital.

The Church has been instrumental in eradicating or reducing unfair acts such as discrimination against people of other 'castes,' e.g Osu, human sacrifice etc.

The Church probably gave your father an education directly or indirectly.

What has your Atheism done for Africa?

CoolUsername:


Everybody can see that these things don't go together. The government is supposed to protect minorities in a democracy.

Here, they basically saying that they're too incompetent to perform their duties therefore, atheists must suffer from it.

Beating your kids should not be equated to wanting to exist legally.

Everybody can see that these things don't go together. The government is supposed to protect people of all or no creeds in a democracy.

Here, they basically saying that they're too discriminatory to perform that duty, therefore, Christian parents must suffer from it.

Promoting anarchy should not be equated to wanting to bring up your kids legally.

CoolUsername:


From what I read, the parents reportedly 'pulled their ears', 'slapped their buttocks', and 'shook the baby like a rag'.

Corporal punishment is illegal in Norway. Shaking a baby is retar.ded as hell in Norway and all over the world.

So, is that really discrimination?

From what I read, the application was turned down because of concerns that registration could affect the "peace... [and] good order" in the country.

Doing something that can affect peace and good order in a country is retar.ded in Kenya and all over the world.

So is that really discrimination?

Niflheim:
@Italo, persecution from atheists is worse? You gotta be kidding me!!!..............................http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/saudi-arabia-labels-atheists-terrorists-new-anti-dissident-law-article-1.1743233

Pol Pot (Atheist) killed a quarter of his countrymen.

Stalin killed millions of Religious people.

onetrack:


I only focused on North Korea. The Communist Party of China is atheist, as was the Soviet Union's (though it could be argued except during the time of Stalin when Stalin became their god. I am neutral on this).

Summary: Atheists have persecuted and killed tens of millions of religious people.

CoolUsername:


You're missing the point. Religious persecution is a far smaller scale problem than persecution against atheists if you want to be honest.

We all know that North Korea and China are not truly democratic in their ruling. And we know that is where the problem is.

I could go on and list countries that persecute atheists in some form but obviously you're inclined to turn a blind eye towards it.

Can you say to yourself boldly that in general atheism is given equal rights with religion?

In some (even democratic) countries, atheism is given superior rights to religion.

In Norway, a couple had all their five children taken from them because "they were too Christian."

Go and eradicate that discrimination.

I'm not missing any point. If you thing religious persecution is far smaller, why not eradicate it first, since it's easier to solve.

JackBizzle:



Is it a coincidence that all of the people you mentioned are communists? You keep proving that religion is bad even for atheists. Communism is a state religion

Is it a coincidence they're all atheists?

CoolUsername:


Take a breath.

Listen to some soothing music (I suggest Death With Dignity by Sufjan Stevens).

Now, there's no need to get riled up here, all I'm saying is that if you can see that it's a problem then why don't you tell it like it is?

For example, any time feminists say that we need to make an effort to reduce sexual assault cases against women, some men always say that men can get raped too, so why aren't they talking about that? But they fail to realize that while this is true, it isn't nearly as common as cases where females are victims.

My point is, I'm not saying that there isn't a little bit Christian persecution in a few countries, but can we compare it to the widespread discrimination against atheists. Another thing is, just like my example above, you're only trying to undercut the situation by bringing up a less pertinent problem without regarding the problem at hand. This ends up solving nothing.

You want us to eradicate discrimination against Atheists...while ignoring persecution of religious people by Atheists?

You're trying to make me laugh, right?

KingEbukasBlog:


Atheists like Johnydon22 , plaetton have blatantly displayed bigotry against Christianity and its adherents' beliefs . They describe creation as mythical and God as fantasy plus other denigrate-ful things against our beliefs .

Why haven't you criticized them ? Should I also say that atheism has destroyed the brain of the average African ?

The guy doesn't think before talking.

onetrack:


North Korea is not atheist. Their gods are their dead leaders Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il. If you need proof then look at the 'miracles' that have been attributed to them--great signs supposedly occurred at their births and so on. Atheists don't believe in miracles or miraculous signs.

Keep fooling yourself.

What about China, Soviet Union etc?

JackBizzle:



Yes they can and they rarely do it.

It's not rare. Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Kim Jong Un, Chinese leaders, Khmer Rouge and other Atheists have discriminated, persecuted and martyred tens of millions of their own people.

JackBizzle:


And Communists dont really count. They already have a deeply religious ideology despite being atheists.

They're Atheists. Period.

CoolUsername:


Very true, religion faces harsh persecution in North Korea. This country doesn't uphold human rights in any way and religious rights are no exception. We should all realize that people can be good or bad regardless of religion or lack thereof.

China, also puts harsh restrictions on religious activities. All worship is government sanctioned. Also less than ideal.

But at the end of the day, if you are bringing these countries' names up to complain about them, then why are you using them to defend this asinine ruling in Kenya?

I never defended anything.

Don't be like that Jack bizle iddiot whose mind cannot process the smallest information.

JackBizzle:



Describe the link between North Korea and China in one word

a) Atheism
b) Communism.
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Where did I say that Kenya is the whole world? You like strawmen. I was talking about Africa,.

Bottom line: Atheists also discriminate against religion.

GloryIsaac:


Pls tell them.. all this mbaka diehards are clearly blinded by the fact that the man is going against the christian doctrine..

You mean Jehovah's Witnesses doctrine.

GloryIsaac:


Why do you keep attacking from one angle .. Firstly, i talked about stuff being adjusted which led to the New Testament.. you dodged it and started talking about shifting goalpost ... now, i put up two links.. you argueing based on one only..
Well, i aint a JW ....but based on this arguement, if you read that link well, you'll see that there's enough sense in what they're saying related to christianity and politics...
Read on the second link, let me see what you have to say about it..

You still haven't shown me where Christianity says Priests should comment on politics.

And you haven't shown me where you and other dullards criticized Pastor Yemi Osinbajo for running for VP.

JackBizzle:
Religion has destroyed the brain of the average African.

Why so intolerant of atheists?

After, clowns like kingebukasblog, italo and reyginus will come and deny discrimination

Religion is also being discriminated by Atheists in North Korea and China.

But block-heads like you have never heard of those countries.

GloryIsaac:


Well, you clearly misunderstand the fact that the press are only publishing what their ogas at the top want... and you didnt read my earlier comment well, i talked about new testament too, there were lot of stuff that needed adjustments in the old testament... Besides, Why did APC attack the catholic church for transferring him?? something that is done from time to time to every priest.. including anglican priests.. click on the link below and be enlightened.. Remember, politics is a dirty game.

wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2010489

www.beliefnet.com/News/ElectionCenter/Gallery/does-the-bible-say-anything-about-politics.aspx

Oh...I see where this sickness comes from.

You want to force Jehovahs witnesses false doctrine that sprang up yesterday on us.

You're a joker.

JWs are well known for false teachings...like "Jesus is Archangel Michael." 'Heaven is filled up.'

No wonder you believe that people of God should not be involved in politics...and blood transfusion is a sin...and you believed when your organization lied several times that the world was coming to an end on so and so date...and all the dates have passed.

Do the JWs also believe that if Mbaka preaches Jesus to Buhari, he must tell it to the press?

Speechless3:
Better confused than a zombie of false ministers.

A confused person can't tell who's a false or true minister...or who's a zombie and who isn't.

That's why it's called "confused."

GloryIsaac:


Lmao!.. Prophets of old testament.. Stop relying on the old testament, that's why the New testament was created.. Stuff needed adjustment... Even in the old testament, prophets never took sides with nonbelievers.. Meanwhile, Why wouldn't they put it on the news about Presido being asked to switch to Christianity?? ... but they put Mbaka proclaiming who would win elections, they put him prophesying about a plan to kill presido... Brother, Politics is a Dirty Game...

Shifting the goalpost..

So now the sin is not a priest taking sides, it is taking sides with unbelievers?

Who is your neighbour, according to Jesus?

And do the press know every single thing that Buhari and Mbaka discussed? Are you thinking or just hating?

Speechless3:
I cant but i know his powers are demonic.

Anyway, you're well-known to be spiritually confused.

Speechless3:
He is a confused man using charms.

Can you prove that?

GloryIsaac:


When you as a priest starts telling your congregation about things concerning politics, more or less taking sides.. you've definitely strayed off the path,

Did prophets of the old testament not tell their congregation about politics and take sides?

GloryIsaac:

b'cos even while you may preach other things, the congregation's mindset has already be tuned to what you have to say concerning whatever that is currently happening in the country...
Well, its amazing to see a christian being the spiritual director of a muslim .. i hope to hear that he has told presido to switch religion and become born again.. then we'll take him serious...

OK, wait for Fr Mbaka to text you that he has told Buhari to accept Jesus as Lord.

SalC:
Italo na your eye be this? Good to have you around

Yes o, my sister. Thanks.