shadeyinka:


What I know is that
1. In terms of Catholic and Protestant churches, the catholic church is a several hundred years older.

Not just several hundred years older. The Catholic Church started at Pentecost. It is one true Church.

shadeyinka:


2. The early church (of the time of the apostles up to about 200AD) the church didn't have any Papal resemblance.

The List of Popes

St. Peter (32-67)
St. Linus (67-76)
St. Anacletus (Cletus) (76-88)
St. Clement I (88-97)
St. Evaristus (97-105)
St. Alexander I (105-115)
St. Sixtus I (115-125) Also called Xystus I
St. Telesphorus (125-136)
St. Hyginus (136-140)
St. Pius I (140-155)
St. Anicetus (155-166)
St. Soter (166-175)
St. Eleutherius (175-189)
St. Victor I (189-199)
St. Zephyrinus (199-217)

Read about all those men and stop displaying your ignorance so proudly in public.

shadeyinka:


3. Believers were simply called Christians (which used to be a derogatory name)

So because believers were called Christians by unbelievers, it means the Church could not call itself "Catholic Church" a few years later. If followers of Christ can adopt a name given by enemies, why should it be impossible to you that they adopt a name by themselves?

shadeyinka:

The problem with the Catholics is their attempt of forcing their inception from peter the Apostle. Its like saying that Nigeria had existed since 300 BC.

Yes, people were in the contemporary space called Nigeria but were they Nigerians? We know when Nigeria took effect...Lord Lugard was present.

The geographical area called Nigeria today never existed as one people, one government, one country, before 1914. The Church that was later called "Catholic Church" is the same one that existed as one body of believers, with one leader (Peter), one heirarchy, one tradition, one faith, in the New Testament.

If you insist that the Catholic origin is like Nigeria's, Nigeria came about 1914, tell us when the Catholic Church came about.

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MZLady39:
Italo,
Brother,
Hi...i'm not in the best of moods right now..should be sleeping & not on here...anyhow I'm really trying to exercise patience with you.

Me too.

MZLady39:

Don't know who you are but your tone is too abrasive for me.

You are too dubious for me.

MZLady39:

I really asked the brother I could half-way reason with (Ubenedictus)..not you. I surely hope you two are not 1 and the same

Forget the person, reason with truth.

MZLady39:

I wasn't proven wrong about the rituals. I just chose to cease & desist. I stand by what I said.

So you still insist that baptism, communion, anointion of the sick etc are not rituals? You still believe rituals are onlywhen they cut someone's head to invoke money? Maybe you need to read the dictionary definition very slowly.

MZLady39:

I won't correct the OP..cause he's done nothing wrong. When/if he does, then i will wisely do so.

So it is not wrong to say "Mary Ann Collins, an ex-nun said this," when such a person never existed? In order words it is not wrong to spread falsehood? Yet you wonder why Nigeria is a mess?

MZLady39:

I gave an "imaginary" (meaning fake or false) scenario cause i already believe that they weren't as I stated.

You can learn a few things from the OP's wise & graceful handling of this thread.

Unlike you, I dont want to learn lies. Thank you.

MZLady39:

Call names, insult, have a temper tantrum & deflect all you want.
The fact remains...you do not manifest the character of Christ....whom you claim to be defending. Brother...please surrender those faults to Christ. You need to work on your delivery

The same Christ who scattered the temple because he couldnt stand dubious people like you? The one who called the scribes and pharisees "white-washed tombs, hypocrites?"

MZLady39:

P.S. Don't know why you picked on the Pentacostals....? I guess you were assuming that I was one.

No. I know they are the biggest proponents of feel good gospel. No need to stand for truth or anything good.

MZLady39:

Let's not go there please. I'm fighting against my flesh right now and really don't want to lose by unleashing it on you brother. I'm trying to grow in grace...

Ahah! "Grace." What did Pastor Biodun COZA say when he was about to commit adultery with Ese?

"Let me show you another level of grace."

My dear, you cant sin, or tolerate sin and grow in grace, no matter what your pastor tells you.

DoctorAlien:
The canon of the New Testament was not formed
by the decision of any Church council. Rather, the Council of Carthage (397 A.D.) listed as canonical "only those books that were generally regarded by the consensus of use as properly a canon". [Note 18] In other words, it didn't create the canon. Rather, it formally identified the canon that already existed. So the Catholic Church did not give us the Bible. However, it did help confirm the authenticity of six New Testament epistles. Also, Catholic monks faithfully preserved the Bible by copying it. The Catholic Church changed the Bible. In 1548, at the Council of Trent, it added the Apocrypha to the Bible. The apocryphal books contain passages which are used to justify some Catholic doctrines, such as praying for the dead.

1. Who then created this canon that already existed?

2. You claim the Catholic Church changed the Bible by adding the 'Apocryphal' books in 1548. But those apocryphal books were listed in the 397AD Council of Carthage's Canon, which you claim was an identification of the canon that existed already.

So which one is true...the Catholic Church changed the Bible on 1548...or Martin Luther manufactured his own bible for protestants by removing 7 books and criticizing the following books and minimizing their reputation: Hebrews, James, Jude, 2 Peter, 2 and 3 John, and the Revelation?

@DoctorAlien & shadeyinka.

PastorAIO.

MZLady39:


Brother,
Let's imagine that they were. But then it would be a mixture of a lot of denominations...not just Catholics.

Are you sure of what you're saying? Or you're just guessing like when you thought there are no rituals in Christianity but were proved wrong?

MZLady39:


Why are you guys so cut-throat about Catholicism?
Where's Jesus in you guys' approaches?

Jesus is the truth. And we are telling you the truth.

You should be asking the liars that manufactured an ex-nun just to perpertrate falsehood, that where is Jesus in their approach.

You have no business calling Jesus if you cannot call out a lie. Till now, none of you has the integrity to call out the OP for quoting a non existent person.

And you talk about Jesus? Anyway, I know pentecostal gospel is about prosperity, not holiness. Not surprised.

shadeyinka:


Were the questions difficult to answer?
Or so simple its exposing the bitter truth?

...Acts 11:20-21, In Antioch ,it is recorded that the disciples of Jesus Christ were first called Christians Catholics.

Get the point?

The term Catholic was first used to describe the Christian Church in the early 2nd century to emphasize its universal scope. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_(term)

Zimbabwe was in initially called Rhodesia.

Mumbai was initially call Bombay.

Get the point?

Splinz:


Here he goes, finding words in irrelevancies. Continue with your ad hominem.

Just grow up.

shadeyinka:
Its simple!

What is the difference between Roman catholic church and the Protestant churches?

What are those things done in the Catholic church of the present that were not in the Church of the Apostles time?

1. If you can prove that Peter and his fellow Apostles put on the Priestly Robe, then the first church is catholic
2. If you can prove that Peter ,Paul and the other Apostles use the rosaries then you have a point
3. If Mary the mother of Jesus was venerated to the status of Mother of God during the times of Peter and the other disciples, then you have a point.
4. Show me the earliest Monastery if it coincides with Jesus or His Apostles
5. Which seminary or Monastery did Timothy attend
6. How many Nuns were recorded in the books of Acts of the Apostle...

So in order for God's Church to exist for 2000 years, it must do everything exactly the same way from the beginning to the end of the world.

So because an anthem changed from 'Nigeria we hail thee' to 'Arise o compatriots,' it is no longer the same country?

Or because a woman takes her husband's surname, wears a ring, and dresses like a married woman she has become a separate person?

This is why Nigeria is in a mess. People dont think.

Splinz:


You see! While the Holy Spirit fell on the disciples on Pentecost Day in AD 31, marking the official beginning of the New Testament Church, your own Catholic church was established in AD 33.

Obviously, the Church of God established in AD 31 by Jesus Christ Himself can't be the same one you claimed He established in AD 33.

So what? Go and find out who is the true founder of your church.

Grow up.

DoctorAlien:


Argumentum ad hominem, mixed with a little bit of red herring.

Is anything in that article not true? Bring your solid evidence. Don't gimme those forged "writings from the early church fathers".

It is you who has to prove your claims first. You're the OP, remember?

Your only evidence to back your claims is that a nun whom you and your kind manufactured said it.

How can anyone take you seriously.

You should even be sorry that you are lifting from a fictitious source. But no.

oladoja1:

evidence in the Bible

Which bible? The same one that was compiled by the Catholic Church in the Synod of Rome in 382AD, under Pope Damasus?

An2elect2:
It's not hard for your sin to find you out. You oppose the living God and think you will have peace?

Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on them. John3:36

I dont take the opinion of someone who believes the bible fell from the sky seriously.

An2elect2:
Lying is not far from you. How can you compile a book you don't believe? And how can you mortal canonise a book of the Holy God?

I see! So you believe your Bible fell from the sky.

An2elect2:

The "Jesus" you preach is a subject of your god " blessed virgin mary". No wonder you live in sin and "work for eternal life"

You are a hopeless man. Look at you

I'm not worried about the brainless opinion of someone who believes the Bible fell from the sky.

An2elect2:
You stiff-necked man. May the Lord rebuke you for associating Him with a pagan religion.To say Jesus was Catholic is
blasphemy against the Spirit of God.

So a pagan religion compiled and canonized the Bible? A pagan religion preaches Jesus every second all over the world?

Jesus is Catholic. Kill yourself if it pains you too much.

oladoja1:
was Jesus a Catholic or protestant?

Jesus established the Catholic Church in 33AD.

Martin Luther established protestantism 1500 years later.

So, in a sense, Jesus is Catholic.

Olaadegbu, can we all agree that there are supposed to be rituals in Christianity...

...or are you still looking for a way to twist it?

DoctorAlien:
The Roman Catholic Church claims that the early Christians were all Roman Catholics, and that (aside from the Orthodox Church) all Christians were Roman Catholics until the Protestant Reformation. It claims that the Apostle Peter was the first Pope, ruling from Rome. It also claims that it gave us the Bible.

But do these claims stand up to the test of history? Or are they false credentials?

There is historical evidence that the Roman Catholic Church began with Emperor Constantine. Many Protestants believe that throughout Church history, there have been many true Christians who were not Catholics, and these Christians were often killed by the Catholic Church. They also believe that Peter was just one of the apostles, and that the Catholic Church only copied and preserved the Bible, which God had already given to us.

Follow the link below to read more:

www.behindthebadge.net/apologetics/discuss129.html

Your link takes its lies from Mary Ann Collins. One who is said to be an ex-nun, but never existed.

When anti-Catholic protestants have to manufacture a non-existent ex-nun, to manufacture lies to disprove the Catholic Church, you should know they are being led by a spirit other than the Holy Spirit.

Have you ever seen the Catholic Church manufacturing a pentecostal pastor, to manufacture a lie about pentecostalism?

Why is it always protestants telling outright lies against Catholicism?

plappville:


The Pope does not preach to Muslims either. He even supported them last year when He said. If anyone insults his mum he will blow up the persons head.

A way of justifying the terrorist attack carried out by the islamist two brothers who killed French journalists just because they caricatured Muhammed.

If it is true that the Pope did or said something wrong, does that make Catholic doctrine false?

Did the apostles never do or say wrong things?

doyinbaby:
It takes the grace of God for a catholic to give his life to Christ ,.....those Catholics and their church doctrines and traditions hen.....
.with God all things are possible

Reverend King, Apostle Suleiman, Pastor Biodun COZA gave their life to Christ...

But St. Mother Teresa, St. Maximillian Kolbe, St. John Paul II did not give their lives to Christ abi?

Keep fooling yourself.

urheme:



which one is "mother church"

The one that compiled and canonized the Bible in 382AD

oaroloye:
SHALOM!


The Scripture you quoted is not relevant to the point.

Did YAHWEH GOD forgive DAVID?

. EXODUS 20:17.

17. "Thou shalt not covet
thy neighbour's house,
thou shalt not covet
thy neighbour's wife,
nor his manservant,
nor his maidservant,
nor his ox, nor his ass,
nor any thing
that is thy neighbour's."

. LEVITICUS 18:20-25.

20. "Moreover thou shalt not
lie carnally
with thy Neighbour's wife,
to defile thyself with her.

. LEVITICUS 20:10.

10. And the man that committeth Adultery
with another man's wife,
even he that committeth Adultery
with his neighbour's wife,
the Adulterer and the Adulteress
shall surely be put to Death.

DAVID SHOULD HAVE DIED, ACCORDING TO THE LAW.

But God SPARED him, and did not require his Death- the which, had He done so, David would not have been able to escape.

But THE CHILD HAD TO DIE, because, should he have grown up as the Son of David, he should have had appropriate exploits, and his descendants would have had consistent exploits, and everyone would have had to agree that "GOOD" had come of "EVIL," thereby legitimizing ADULTERY and BASTARDY.

Therefore, God ACTED to NIP that Evil in the BUD.

. DEUTERONOMY 23:2.

2. A Bastard shall not enter into
The Congregation of the LORD;
even to his tenth generation
shall he not enter into
The Congregation of The LORD.

THAT CHILD WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ALLOWED IN THE CONGREGATION OF THE LORD HIS WHOLE LIFE.

His DESCENDANTS would not have been allowed in the Congregation of The LORD their whole lives.

EVERYBODY would KNOW who they were, and what their forefather had done- their lives would be a LIVING HELL, so to speak.

Therefore, God MERCIFULLY prevented them from ever being born, by ignoring David's entreaty for clemency.

ROMAN CATHOLICS DO NOT KNOW THE BIBLE.

SHOW that you ever knew of these Scriptures before I showed them to you.

SHOW where I LIED about ANYTHING!

2 Samuel 12:14 But because by doing this you have shown utter contempt for the Lord,” the son born to you will die.

So was Samuel lying...or was it the Prophet Nathan that was lying in that verse?

newbornmacho:


1. True believers worldwide are united- the unity of the holy spirit. In addition, they are united against religious organizations and denominations like the Catholic, Anglican, Lutheran, Jehovah's witnesses , RCCG, etc that all only serve the purposes of the flesh.

Where are these true believers? Are they an invisible secret cult?

newbornmacho:

2. And the pope stole the Jewish canon but refuses to be led by a Rabbi? You can see how wise you are. Listen the Bible says: if all that Jesus did were recorded there would be no room to house the books. And by the way I don't attack or condemn people, I attack and condemn godless denominational outfits.

The Pope didnt steal the canon. Jesus established the Church. The Church does not depend on the Bible to exist. The Church canonized the Bible by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. If you accept the Bible as the word of God, you've accepted the God-given authority of the Church to teach true doctrine.

newbornmacho:


3. Certainly not the spirit that led the Catholic church to murder people in the name of God. Both Catholicism and prostentantism are sides of the same denominationalism coin.
There is one spirit my dear, but it is not available to all, only to the elect. You can't argue your way into it.

I still dont know the spirit you're talking about, my dear. It appears it only exists in your closet. I am led by the Holy Spirit which Jesus promised his Church, to lead it to all truth. The one, by whom the Church compiled the Bible. The one that teaches one faith, one baptism, one doctrine. Not the one that teaches you one thing and teaches apostle Suleiman the opposite, while you both claim to be taught by one spirit.

luckyCO:


You have not truely ascertained that Evangelist Suleiman did what he was accused of, however, Suleiman has not come out to say he represent peter and his office is vicaris fili dei nor title himself his Holiness and his ministers; His Eminence, His grace,His Lordship,Rev fr, titles that desire worship.

Though I am not happy with him for not answering Evangelist which God call him into the five fold ministry to but decided to answer Apostle.

I don't think he ever made any of such claim else we would have asked him how or show me the link then we will respond to him, though what we are discussing here is not Suleiman you brought him in such to accuse him to make Pope righteous.
We have seen popes in history that are gay,murderers,smoker,drunkards, LovePeddler-mongers, pedophiles,illuminati etc, from a book written by catholic.

If you say Pope repents Apostle Peter that means pope is an Apostle, does he(pope) has apostolic anointing(2 cor 12:11-12) Or occupy Apostolic Office (1 Cor 3:11,1 Cor 10:3,Eph 2:20).

If he has Apostolic anointing, please show us via clip or apostolic office, please show us the foundation he is laying now.
But I can show you peter's apostolic anointing and his apostolic office (Foundation he laid).

What exactly is your grouse with the pope? Why are you ignorant protestants always scatterbrained?

oaroloye:


GOD FORGAVE DAVID, as an act of MERCY upon DAVID.

He let his BASTARD son DIE as an act of MERCY upon the CHILD and upon the NEXT TEN GENERATIONS of its DESCENDANTS.

Or are you ignorant of THE LAW OF GOD, too?

2 Samuel 12:14 But because by doing this you have shown utter contempt for the Lord,” the son born to you will die.

This is what happens when ignorant protestants think they know God more than the Catholic Church. They end up lying, contradicting God's word and calling him a liar.

This protestant wants me to disbelieve God and believe him.

Get the behind me, satan.

newbornmacho:

I'm not tired of division!!! Christ himself said he came to bring division. I am however tired of being led of mere humans like the pope and priests , they have created a human arrangement that is totally against the spirit of Christ. You my dear need to listen and be led of the spirit of God.

This is what happens when ignorant protestants think they know God's word more than the Catholic Church.

1. Christ came to turn believers against unbelievers. He did not come to turn believers against believers. Apparently, your pastor has never shown you John 17:11,20. He wont show you because he know he is going against Jesus' wish...and if that wish happens, his source of money is gone.

2. You are tired of being led by Pope and priests but you are reading the bible that Pope Damasus and Priests compiled and canonized in the Synod in Rome 382AD. Isnt that foolishness of the highest order?

3. You want me to be led by the 'Spirit of God.' Which 'Spirit of God?' The one that led protestants to be divided into millions of contradictory doctrines...or the one that led Catholics to compile and canonize the Bible?

You are tired of the division in Christianity?

Then return home to Mother Church.

Otherwise, you havent seen nothing yet.

luckyCO:


1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God(KJV).
No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.(NIV)

If it is by catholic doctrine you are right, infact I have thought like that before but by the bible see my submission;

If you need indulgence it means you are not under blood and there is no way your sins can be remitted or taken away.
Anybody who continued to sin, it mean the love of the Father is not in him, he is by and large a child of the devil, by so you don't need your sins to be forgiven nor indulgence because you don't see anything wrong in them.

If pope has power to give you indulgence then you will have larger % of the member do whatever they need on the next papal mass you receive indulgence, then you don't need Christ. Pope will not be there when you are committing the said sin, so if you have more dependent of pope it is another form of idolatry. If you know that right there in your bedroom/market/heart etc Christ is there watching you, you will be very afraid to do anyhow talk more of intentional sin. Just like you cannot do anyhow before your fearful/lovable earthly father. That is how Holy Ghost works with believer.


Just like the way we think when we were small, "Let us finished and go to confession". And when we finish priest will give us say 3 hail Mary that is all, while some rev fr will warn you. But that act of confession to priest cannot remit your sins.
Many charismatic don't go to confession because they know it is anti-bible.

Matthew 16:19 [RSV] I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Matthew 18:18 Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
John 20:23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.

1 Corinthians 5:3-5 I have already pronounced judgment in the name of the Lord Jesus on the man who has done such a thing. When you are assembled, and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. {see 5:1-2}
2 Corinthians 2:6-8, 10-11 For such a one this punishment by the majority is enough; so you should rather turn to forgive and comfort him, or he may be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow. So I beg you to reaffirm your love for him . . . Any one whom you forgive, I also forgive . . . in the presence of Christ, to keep Satan from gaining the advantage over us; for we are not ignorant of his designs.

The Pope/Catholic Church has the authority to forgive and retain sin. To grant indulgences too.

luckyCO:


You are just jumping again to Pentecostal.
He that lives in glass house don't throw stones.

Then we are waiting for any of church members to come on public forum as this and say that outside Omega Fire Ministry no salvation or his church is only true church, and Suleiman received the keys from Christ and he is the one replacing peter, then people will ask him how!

I have watched the clips, truth will come out someday. I pray for Evangelist (the office God gave him not Apostle) Suleiman that God will see him through from this saga, even if he is guilty we have advocate that plead for our sins, for him being exposed might be a good thing for him because God chastises his own esp for other young ministers to learn great lessons and be very very careful.

But if he is not guilty!, he should go and start praising God because judgement will soon fall on the enemy of Christians in Nigeria sooner than you think.

Ok, so if Apostle Suleiman teaches Stephanie how to commit adultery, you will pray for him...
But if Pope Francis fails to mention God at the UN, Catholicism becomes false gospel.

Your mind is being consumed by satan.

luckyCO:


In the old testament the only way to take away evil from the midst of children of God is death, kill the person such that that evil will not spread among other Israelite.

But in this period of grace, God has given us His son through His name there is forgiveness, deliverance, instant miracles, justification, etc.

But after giving us His Son and you still didn't believe and wanting to crucify him twice then the full cup that Christ drank will be against the person.

You still have enough time to run to Christ instead of roman doctrines.

I believe in Catholic Church but I don't believe in Roman Religion. Check the tradition of the Catholic Church(Universal Body of Christ) before it get to Rome you will see it points people to Christ and Him crucified only because we are His bride, we are waiting till when our Husband(Christ) will come and marry us so we don't mix words with any other man else Christ will loose interest in us.

Why because the universe was created for Christ such that we will all(those that believed) be in Christ and Christ in God such that God will be all in all.

Story, story! Lies go roundabout, truth goes straightfoward.

The question was:

When God forgave David but still killed the child of his adultery, was he harbouring unforgiveness?

Still awaiting the yes or no answer that liars and ignoramuses seldom give.

luckyCO:


We are very much aware that their is nothing like indulgences(this is what rome( St Benedictine) used to reap the whole world of their money because they want to build St Peter church, had Martin Luther not started shouting a different world Rome would have created).

To bolt you to man(bishops,pope), they will tell you it is only them that can give it, so that anything they will tell you to do you will do to have it.

After a certain time a bishop came and our rev fr told us that bishop has release indulgence because we build our church house in less than a year or so and everybody was so happy that if anybody dies now straight to heaven. Can you imagine such a deception!

If I may use your word,indulgence happens only when you come under the blood of Jesus through repentance and correct water baptisms and He confirm that you have indulgence by giving you Holy Ghost, any sin you commit hereafter you pay for it because those whom He love He chastises.

A sin is either forgiven or not, you are not going to suffer for any sin forgiven anywhere except you mean God is harboring un-forgiveness.

This is what happens when ignorant protestants think they know bible more than the Catholic Church that created it.

When God forgave David but still killed the child of his adultery, was he harbouring unforgiveness?


Awaiting your yes or no answer that is never likely to come.

luckyCO:


We dont believe in such gospel as preached by matooski which you referenced. It is watering the gospel such that nobody is provoked. Pope Francis had a great opportunity to preach Christ and him crucified in UN assembly and rebuke evil in the land but he didn't make mention of God nor Christ because he didnt want to hurt anybody since some people dont believe God nor Christ.

True gospel hurts my dear. Because it will deprive you many things in order to give you peace of Christ.
Since life with contradictions is yet to have peace.

So if it is hurting you let God have his way in your life it might be a way He is putting you close to His salvation.

When I was small,I used to perform magic to disproove my colleagues who condemn catholic because I hate to hear that catholic was wrong.

Is this your proof that Catholicism is false?

Protestant Leader, apostle Suleiman had a great opportunity to preach Christ and him crucified to Stephanie Otobo.

What did he do?

luckyCO:

Ok,I dont want to go into that,since we are all human beings claiming we love Jesus or Jesus is for us,I now ask,how can this claim give you salvation?

Jews made claim that they have Jelusalem that is only place to worship,they have moses,abraham and even Jesus came from Jews(which is true),the woman that Jesus met was claiming that it is at the mountain(which is true) but Jesus said they only claim you should make is that you worship God in spirit and in truth.

I would wish you make those claims that will make your listeners learn something on how to draw closer to Christ.

I'm responding directly to the OP's question.

The Catholic Church gave us the true word of God so it cannot be a false gospel.

If you desperately want me to teach you how to draw closer to Christ, why dont you start a thread and name it "Italo, how do I get closer to Christ?"

luckyCO:


Since rome was the world power managed information to suit their operations co-coordinating the most secured library in the world, you can make any claim you want in order to support your any of your doctrines hence tradition.
But am concerned about what matters,what matters is not who compiled the bible but who is worshiping God in Spirit and truth, that is how to know who compiled(understand) the bible.
Someone once praised the womb that gave birth to Jesus and he turned back and praised who heard Him and obeyed.

Jesus said to Martha;
Martha Martha you worry for many things that are not necessary for only one thing is necessary.
Italo, Italo you worry for many things that are not necessary for only one thing is necessary, that is what Jesus would have told you today.

However,I don't want to go into details of the church that was killing believers who is holding and reading bible and burning bible though they claim to have compiled it nor the church whose priest said publicly that if you read bible you will be mad and turn back quote one saint that said ignorant of the bible is ignorant of Christ such that they depend on lectionary from papa noster

That the Catholic Church compiled and canonized the bible is an undeniable fact. No matter how many paragraphs it takes you to dance around the truth, it will never change.

The bible is part of the gospel of the Catholic Church.

If catholicism is false gospel, its bible would be false too.