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bigfrancis21: And why is it everywhere I go Nigerians are trying to claim me as one of them? I know I am handsome but steady on ![]() |
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bigfrancis21: @Jayvarley...you don't have to run digging up on AA scientists 'cos if there were many of them who were popular, you would have recalled some off hand like I did without having to go search for names. Oh but it is there for you to see, so you are silenced on that issue! ![]() What has the relevance of Hip Hop artists in this debate. Now you are being childish Bigfrancis21! Do you not know that these DNA TESTING companies working to help the African Diaspora find their roots AA geneticists run them! |
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bigfrancis21: Here you go dummy! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African-American_inventors_and_scientists |
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eziza: Oooh I seeee, Mullatos are no longer black in the US? Nice way of shifting blame. So I guess Malcolm X is not black and a mullato? Fredick Douglas nko? not black but a mullato? But I thought you were all mutts like some people desperately claim on this forum. Now I know there is a difference when it time to take responsibility. Niggers as usual bail out! Now you have made yourself look stupid eziza The term mulatto means mixed raced NOT LIGHT SKIN! Malcom X was light skin not mixed raced duhhh! |
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bigfrancis21: Who told you African Americans have not contributed anything to Science? No you are beginning to look silly. Do you not Know that any scientific works and discoveries by AA'S were hidden and released under white persons name! That was just the rule of the day I have a book with many great Black Inventors. I will dig it out and post you the name!! Do you not know that in the US up to the 1970's whenever a black man sung a beautiful song, a white singer would redo the song over the take away the credit from black people? Or did you not know that? Also you need to learn properly about Garvey instead of making snap judgements when you do not know the facts!! |
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*Kails*: Please tell them. They have been trying to equal the works of a few Uncle Toms to the selling of Millions!! They Just don't want to TAKE ANY BLAME!! ![]() |
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bigfrancis21: Bigrancis21 If you do not know anything about Marcus Garvey I suggest you Read UP FAST!! Even many of your own countrymen would be offended to hear you insult him LIKE THAT! ![]() You need to learn about his contributions to the BLACK RACE. If you STAND on any HIGH STREET around the world and SHOUT the name MARCUS GARVEY OR Philip Emeagwali, YOU WILL SEE who's name is more known without a shadow of a doubt!! One more thing, who told you I am African American?? |
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eziza: Is this meant to be an insult? ![]() |
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bigfrancis21: Oh I'm happy to if you want to be petty! However I asked you a question? The question: Is the contribution of Marcus Garvey meaningless to you?? Or is that too hard for you to answer? ![]() |
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eziza: The Mother of Trayvon is not responsible for his Murder!! Neither was it her who picked the Jury! So you are admitting there was racism in this case now? Do Nigerians believe that Zimmerman would not be happy to shoot one of their sons too!! ![]() |
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eziza: Trayvon Martin's case turned out that way because of the foolishness of his girlfriend and mother. Nothing else. Now I know you are MAD! Or you are white ![]() Take your pick! ![]() ![]() |
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bigfrancis21: @JayVarley...You guys paved the way for what? For who? OMG! This is so hysterical. Oh come on Bigfrancis21, Look what people like Marcus Garvey, (a Jamaican) But what he had achieved in America is second to none! Even the Flags in 20 African counties are influenced by the UNIA Colours!! Are you telling me his contribution is meaningless to you?? ![]() |
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Anyway I should know better than to upset all you guys on here You Might want to JUJU ME! I'm sorry everyone! ![]() ![]() |
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bigfrancis21: 3 million people died? Bigfrancis21? It is a terrible thing indeed Do you have any idea how many more died in the transatlantic slave trade? 3 million is not even close. Just bear this in mind that if NIGERIANS had the answers to it all, your homeland would be in a much better state. You would never care to mention any of the endless achievements of African Americans. The people who paved the way for you to be able to migrate to the states. Of course there are lazy African Americans, just like there are plenty scammers and JUJU men in Nigeria. ![]() But you "Nigerians have this I am better than you mentality" Just because you have your language and culture still intact. I first was exposed to this a child going to school when a girl of African parentage informed me that I am the son of slaves. So keep laughing at African Americans, I know which country I'd rather to live in!! ![]() ![]() |
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eziza: Running out of steam ke? I'm here. You are in a perpetual state of denial, when you are able to crawl out of it, let me know. I don't know what I'm meant to be denying here? Do you know how you sound? ![]() My Ancestors unfortunately were in a state of slavery themselves, So can you PLEASE tell me who my Ancestors owned and enslaved BEARING IN MIND THEY WERE NOT FREE THEMSELVES ![]() ![]() |
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bigfrancis21: Here we go again ![]() "We may have exchanged humans for money" Then I guess that makes it ok doesn't it? ![]() You can choose to Laugh at the suffering of Afro-Americans. Now don't let me get started on the troubles of Africa ![]() ![]() Because that shite is always on the news! Why have you people involved yourselves with this Islamic extremism? ![]() As if Racism is not enough trouble? The things is though I am not happy for the suffering of any black people, Native African or Diaspora. But you guys are glad when African-Americans face struggles and racism. The Trayvon Martin case proves that there is still a GREAT RACIAL DIVIDE IN THE STATES! And a Message for all of you BOASTFUL EDUCATED NIGERIANS, WHO ALWAYS ARE TALKING ABOUT YOUR DEGREES! When you go to the US, YOU still aren't nothing but a Nigga to the Whites Over there!! ![]() GOOD LUCK ![]() |
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eziza: lol, like I said earlier, when you are ready to accept responsibility only then will people start taking you seriously. Until then, peace. Nice copout ![]() ![]() |
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eziza: lol...No, you are the one running out of steam. I have never denied that slavery existed in Africa. How can I? When there is a word for slave in my language? So try another line. All I am doing here to say you were not exempted from the trade. You first helped initiate the institution in the US, and you participated in the trade just like everyone else. So why are you whining? Oh eziza, So now you are NO LONGER DENYING IT?? ![]() Slow Progress but steady ![]() ![]() But I guess that's the best I'm going to get from you and I'm really pleased ![]() However you need to back up these wild claims with some hard evidence!! If a person is in a state of slavery, how and why would they perpetuate it?? Your Fathers sold my Fathers, is that so hard for you to grasp? But instead you keep whining about those Uncle Toms in the states who would have been born in Africa if there OWN PEOPLE DID NOT SELL THEM OF COURSE! ![]() |
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eziza: eziza, looks like you are running out of steam ![]() You are also full of nonsense, I suggest you take a look back into history. Maybe you should read Equiano's autobiography it will tell you about the SLAVERY THAT WAS PRACTICED IN AFRICA PRIOR TO EUROPEAN ARRIVAL. Then perhaps you will understand that as far back as you go back in time THERE WAS ALWAYS SLAVERY and TRIBAL WARFARE IN AFRICA. Maybe you could even go as far back as the ARAB SLAVE TRADE. Then you will finally see why SO MANY OF THE AFRICAN DIASPORA DO NOT WANT TO ASSOCIATE THEMSELVES WITH AFRICA! ![]() Have a little read IF YOU CARE ENOUGH TO LEARN!! ![]() http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Africa |
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eziza: lol...Nice way of dodging the issue. Come up with all sorts of rants while you avoid the facts. But the fact remains you folks (the freed slaves amongst you) bought and sold their kind and they helped perpetuate the institution of slavery. When you are ready to take responsibility for that, maybe people will start taking you seriously. Until then, peace. I TAKE NO RESPONISIBLY, firstly because the Few Uncle Toms that you are talking about in the US can in NO WAY be compared to the powerful chiefs in Africa who Ordered the capturing of MILLIONS of SLAVES to be sent to the NEW WORD in the first place. Had that not been done there would have been NO UNCLE TOMS in the states who were simply overseers of slaves to save their own tails. WE DID NOT INITIATE SLAVERY. . YOU DID Can you tell me one other RACE that sells their own children to foreigners?? ![]() ![]() |
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kwangi: Good Lord! Jeez! Why not for a moment accept A LITTLE GUILT FOR WHAT AFRICA had done to its Sons and Daughters?? You keep referring to a small number of UNCLE TOMS who were overseers and slave drivers because they preferred to be behind the whip rather than in front of it. The small number of UNCLE TOMS you are referring to CAN NEVER BE COMPARED TO THE MILLIONS OF AFRICANS WHO WERE SHIPPED TO THE NEW WORLD. There is NO COMPARISON! How ever you dry to Dress it UP! Rather them Admit it and say yes WE WERE WRONG you just say other Blacks OWNED SLAVE TOO! Even Bigfrancis21 will tell you, it was a 50-50 game meaning Africans sold Slaves to the Europeans for Goods. I suggest you learn HISTORY before you start saying everything that does not sit well with you is a LIE ![]() |
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bigfrancis21: Bigfrancis21 Hi, Caribbean people and Afro-Americans have for a long time known they fact that were sold into slavery But the handful of Uncle Toms that you are talking about: Who Oversaw slaves just because they preferred to do that rather the than be a victim, cannot be IN ANY WAY COMPARED TO THE SELLING OF 12 MILLION AFRICANS TO THE NEW WORLD?? I am glad though that you have ADMITTED that Africans sold Africans and also that a milder form of slavery existed in Africa before European Arrival. MOST Africans WILL NOT admit that!!!!! If you look throughout this Topic you will see many Africans who are saying that I am Lying!! |
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bigfrancis21: Bigbadfrancis21 We meet again Brother ![]() I am happy that you made a admission about slavery in Africa. We are making progress. ![]() I am already aware of the system of slavery that was present in Africa prior to European arrival. Yes YOU ARE RIGHT it was not a cruel as the transatlantic slave trade. And yes of course there were plenty of UNCLE TOMS in the US who became SLAVE DRIVERS or OVERSEERS because the wanted an easier life for themselves. It's always better the have the whip in your hand than on your back. But you still cannot put that in the same league as SELLING your OWN PEOPLE. I DO give you some credit though, you are an intelligent person, however your arrogance ruins it. Peace Bigbadfrancis21 |
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kwangi: I hope you know some people from 'all over the place' might stumble of this post and run with it. Mistaking them for facts and it's not gonna help you or anybody. What can I say? THE TRUTH HURTS, nevertheless it remains true!! White men during the 1500's were not CRAZY ENOUGH to venture deep into a strange continent with unknown and possibly dangerous tribes and peoples to just begin with. Ask you self does it sound like they take such a risk?? If that were the case they would have been swiftly outnumbered and executed. And generally when you look much different to the rest of the population on a continent, People will look at you, be suspicious of you and even want to KILL YOU!! Also the Caucasian mans lack of pigmentation meant that they had NO PROTECTION against SUNBURN and may I add the fact that Europeans had no resistance to African Diseases such a Malaria, Dengue fever and many other maladies that could be found in Africa. Without the medicine of today they would have been well and truly FINISHED. So one must ask themselves? Did Millions of AFRICANS voluntarily MARCH across the continent to the WEST COAST to enter into a life of SLAVERY?? I THINK NOT. They were captured by the people who knew them the MOST. Who knew their weaknesses and the vulnerabilities. Would any WHITE MAN risk being killed just because he wants a slave? Of course not when you can't send Africans to do it!! At least that way if the PROSPECTIVE SLAVE does not want to be captured fights back and kills his attacker, the white man simply hires another African to take his place, rather than risk his own neck!! If the ENGLISH were that stupid they would have never conquered the WORLD!! The ENGLISH have always used one simple strategy that works every time when conquering the peoples around the globe? DIVIDE AND RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will say it again for the thick people here "DIVIDE AND RULE!!!" If your enemies fight against themselves then when everything is over you collect the winnings! Simple. . And Please don't feed me any of this "slaves had rights" CRAP I SUGGEST you learn the BASIC history of slavery . . When you are a slave, you don't go home when you want to, simple shite like that you should know. Do you know how many slaves committed suicide?? Especially the IGBO, They were known for suicide, many of them preferred to DIE than live as a slave! Don't you think that millions of Black people would have applied to the authorities for maltreatment if the authorities cared ![]() At the beginning of this post there is a picture of BLACK MANS back SCARRED BY WHIPPINGS? Do you think that he complained to the authorities for maltreatment ![]() When will African Blacks UNDERSTAND that SLAVERY is NOT an EXAGERATION but a REALITY that has displaced Africans to different places around the world and caused us to lose our culture and most of ALL cause us NOT TO BE ACCEPTED BY NATIVE AFRICANS!! |
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eziza: Well eziza you have only proved you are insensitive to the trauma of my PEOPLE on a psychological level. I am Happy for Obama as a fellow Brother regardless of whether he is of slave stock or not. However you act as if African American's have not made any notable achievements. Did you not know that when the First Lady Michelle met Barrack Obama he had NO JOB?? Yes he had a degree but NO JOB. Michelle Obama was a successful Lawyer and the main breadwinner in their house hold for TEN YEARS, until Obama learned how to fly. And you know what they say, Behind every great man there is a great WOMAN!! ![]() eziza you are the type of African who looks only at the negative things about Afro-Americans and then Tar them all with the same brush. Shall we do that with Africans or Nigerians in particular for a moment. Who saw the documentary WELCOME TO LAGOS?? Many Nigerians were upset by how that programme portrayed them. Do all Nigerians work on a dumpsite?? Of course not. . but the program only focused on the negatives regardless. Or shall we mention fraud and 419 Scams which is rampant in Nigeria. Shall we say all Nigerians are responsible for this?? Or shall we listen to the White Mans LIES that HIV/AIDS comes from Africa?? I have heard white men tell me this to my Face!! I can keep going on about African stereotypes if you like, but the thing is stereotypes are not productive!! ![]() SO PLEASE HAVE A THINK BEFORE YOU INSULT AND STEREOTYPE AFRICAN AMERICANS |
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eziza: I don't understand what you are blaming my Ancestors for?? You are not making any sense ![]() They obviously were captured and Enslaved. So what exactly are you blaming them for?? If you are unaware a slave has NO RIGHTS and makes NO decision of their OWN? Just grow up and admit Africans are responsible for selling their OWN Children. I might even have a little respect for you then ![]() |
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bigfrancis21: Hello Bigbadfrancis21. Why do they call you that because of your ego? ![]() Funny how you tried to dodge the discussion saying that we are talking about current issues. . I believe the name of this post is SLAVERY IN THE UNITED STATES. What amuses me MOST is that you said that the slave trade was a 50-50 game between Africans and Europeans. When SLAVERY has been practiced in Africa LONG BEFORE, European Arrival. It was just the done thing. . If you were a captive of War, or you owed a Debt, OR committed a crime, the PUNISHMENT was SLAVERY!!! ![]() Please just DENY it? ![]() As far back as you look in AFRICAN HISTORY you will find slavery!!! When you ALREADY are practicing such a trade, it must be like a dream come true when long haired pale skin men arrive on your shores on Magnificent ships with NEW weapons, horses, RUM and Fabrics and trinkets like never seen before on your continent. I ALMOST DONT BLAME YOU!! ![]() ![]() Did you know that Africa was not the first choice for slaves to work on the sugar plantations of the WEST INDIES ![]() The Europeans enslaved the ARAWWAK and TAINO peoples first, but they were not strong enough to do the work and also their immunity to European diseases was next to nothing until most of them died. But NEVER EVER did any of these POOR ARAWAK peoples SELL their OWN Children!!! They PREFERED to Die with THEM!! The Europeans knew that in Africa they could get slaves without any resistance Which of other RACE of people would be so happy to give up their own children and countrymen but Africans? Can you tell me one other Bigfrancis21?? ![]() ![]() Anyway back to my Documentary? It was over ten Years AGO, I did not even have the INTERNET THEN!! and to be quite frank I DONT CARE WHEATHER YOU BELEIVE IT OR NOT. I found it very productive to LEARN that my AFRICAN COUSINS have no regret for selling THEIR OWN KINSMEN. I am happy to share what I saw with my fellow AA'S AND Caribbeans IT MUST OFFEND YOU so you have made a choice not to believe it. ![]() Peace my Brother ![]() |
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eziza: Oh look, you could not even take a hint of blame for a mere moment could you? My Ancestors were SOLD by their own and shipped across the Atlantic Ocean, I doubt they were is the position to be fighting anyone ![]() ![]() |
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Suddenly Bigfrancis21 is quiet ![]() ![]() He's obviously ashamed about something ugly in the history of his people ![]() |
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bigfrancis21: I need not convince you Bigfrancis21, almost every AA and Carib knows that we were sold into slavery. Are you denying Africans sold other Africans? Where do you stand on the argument? |
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*Kails*: It was on the BBC I cannot remember the name. Hopefully I will be able to stumble across it again |
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bigfrancis21: ^^^^@JayVarley...I see you playing around with Seun's quote systems. You sure look like a learner! Something went wrong anyway never mind the point still stands. If it were not for the struggle AA fought for Nigerians would not be able to migrate to America today |
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