*Kails*:


lol.

nah I already have somebody.
black is cool tho.

alrite, dat gud, mi appy fi yu

bigfrancis21:

@Bold....

Did the bish just return?

The Best way to conclude all of this is for diaspora's to do DNA TESTING. However at present DNA not currently at the level where it can tell all of what is present in the genetics of an individual.

Suppose I were to do a Y CHROMOSOME TEST(PASSED FROM FATHER TO SON) it would only be telling me about my father through his MALE line and nothing about my Father on his Mothers line. So even if my Father's mother was Mexican a Y DNA test would not show the Mexican.

So I will only have a partial indication of who I am

More research must be done.

*Kails*:


a yu man.
no need to lie lol.
it's all good many NLDERS have alt accounts.

some all a chat to themselves

Ah no me,

tru tru

But it sound like sey yu have a soft spot fi di bwoy

*Kails*:


hell no.

LOOL I don't even know you..i mean him

How yu fi sey dat?

Wha mek yu a tell mi dem sittin deh?

God kno mi nah lie

*Kails*:
aiight jay it was awesome talking to you.
I see our talking about the tainos and akans is bothering a certain someone
who suffers from an inferiority complex so...im off to update another thread.

see you around

Ok peace Sister

*Kails*:


kmt. a fi yuh name.

LOL

Mi nuh know nobody name so.

Ah yu man dat?

*Kails*:
@jay.
some of our cultural heritage is not even African.
The Maroons were taught how to jerk by the Taino Indians.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8FwLM55f9c

I always thought it was the Maroons themselves who invented it.
In fact the maroons and the tainos also created the taino jerk sauce.

Interesting Video. I was not aware that the platform method of cooking was from the Taino's either.

They certainly played their role in our history.

Some Jamaicans such as Colin Jackson traced their ancestry and was found to have 7% Taino/Arawak DNA

Meaning that his lineage is from the very oldest Jamaicans

*Kails*:
so when I say we are mutts,
I am not asking ANYBODY. It's fact.

Of course you are correct. If you move Millions of People from different Tribes and Ethnicities and place them together there will be Genetic crossover.


Have a look at this link which confirms just that.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N94w1eZIshk

*Kails*:


a black kenichi dis

Ah who name so?

Adamskuty: what's AKAN,my zulu slave?

Dont forget our meeting by 2pm (nigerian time)

Yes it can not be denied that there is a strong AKAN influence in Jamaica Especially among the Maroons, who still hold on to many Ghanaian traditions such as naming children by the day of the week that they were born.


However I have to say that linguistically the Jamaican population have MORE USAGE OF IGBO WORDS INTACT

Though in places like Nanny Town, the descendants of the Maroons speak a dialect called "Kromanti" derived from KUMASI in Ghana

*Kails*:


mi nuh too too truss ppl bout ya.
all unu kno fi do is go pon internet an look up how fi chat fimmie language.

a gwan like seh mi cya tell. but unu fi kno seh kails sees all.

more time mi nuh badda seh nuttin
but my yute fi yuh patois all bout di place. which part a yard fiyu ppl dem from?

Well Mi people dem come from St Elizabeth. . Black river.

Memba sey mi nuh born deh ehuh!

Mi born Ah England

*Kails*:


jayvarley you need to try harder than that.

Ah wha dis?

Ah how yu ah tek set pan mi so?

*Kails*:


a wa dis?

wa kina fenky fenky sittin dis my yuute?

Blouse an Skirt gal, weh yu deh pan?

Doan dis di programme enuh princess

@ Kelis, Wha happen sista? yu know seh mi ah dead fi hungry and no hab nuten fi nyam!!

*Kails*:
LOL!

Anyway @jayvarley

write a paragraph about ANY topic you like,
but write it in pure patois.

I will respond to you.

It's just for fun dear.

you know you being a Jamaican and all.
this should be easy.

I don't mind, but why?

I'm going back to work now, my lunch break is over, see you in a few hours!

bigfrancis21:

I saw a whole family from mbaise the other day. I could swear that these people were mixed/half-castes. Their amount of lightskins and facial similarity to people of mixed ancestries was striking. I even went further to ask if their mother or any member of the family was foreign and no, all were 100% Igbo.

I keep seeing people like that everyday on the streets of Owerri where I currently am. At times I'd have to stare twice to see if these people were actually Igbo.

In 2009 and 2010 two different Igbo families living in london were recorded to have given birth to babies with striking caucasoid features. The genetic lineages of both sides of the family of both couples were traced and there was no history/record of a caucasoid ancestor whatsoever. And no, these babies were not albinos. The doctors carried out skin tests to confirm that.

During the slave trade, the igbo people in Nigeria rarely intermarried with the white slave raiders like some riverine Niger delta groups(Ijaw, for example). That rules out the possibility of european ancestors for the babies. And no other purely black african couple has been observed to have this phenomenon before.

I once opened a thread on the phenomenon, and as expected people flooded the thread with anti-igbo sentiments.

See the thread link below and tell me what you think about it.

https://www.nairaland.com/1073120/nigerian-igbos-white-children

Yes I remember reading about that family in the newspaper.

IGBO seem to posses certain genetics for light skin.


Generally though from my observation Nigeria produces more light skinned people than Ghana for instance, even though there is not any significant admixture among those groups.

No matter how dark skinned a Nigerian/IGBO person maybe, they seem to carry the genetics for light skin that will JUMP OUT in any generation it chooses to!

bigfrancis21:

The same phenomenon has also been observed by other african americans alike who also say that Igbo people look more like African Americans more than any other West African tribe. I did not say here that AAs are mostly Igbo. But going by what Dr. Douglas Chambers concluded in his work that 'At least 60% of African Americans are likely to have at least 1 Igbo ancestor in their history', his conclusion may not be far from the truth.

Below are pictures of 2 Igbo guys who could easily pass off as African Americans. The African Americans observed very well.

Yes I am aware of that research and I am in also in agreement.

I have seen some IGBO people in the past who I thought were either Caribbean or African-American.

When you visit different black populations within the Caribbean you can see by the features the different tribal origins.

This year I went to Guyana and though population there is around 30% Black, just going by the look of me people knew that I was not Guyanese. I was asked if I was Barbadian or from some other island.

When people from certain tribes of Africa are brought together onto a small island and isolated their gene flow is restricted to themselves. Until eventually people within from that location will resemble and will be related to each other. There will be NO OTHER POPULATION with quite the same DNA as theirs.

bigfrancis21:

Thanks pal. Wasn't expecting that from you given what happened two days ago.

As for the Obeah part, I didn't make that up. I was only going by research sources, as you can see below:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obeah

Yes I know that you did not make it up.


Coming from Jamaican and Barbadian Parentage, I can see a VERY STRONG IGBO influence on those ISLANDS especially JAMAICA
because of it's large size there were pockets of slaves who were less regulated by the slave masters and this allowed them to keep some their culture intact.

I believe I should have a reasonably high percentage of IGBO ANCESTRY though being realistic there will likely be ancestry from other places such as the Gold coast.

I have been asked a few time by people if I am Nigerian/IGBO, but I never been mistaken for Yoruba and very seldom has anyone mistaken me for a Ghanaian.

*Kails*:
And when,it comes to brazil I am very apprehensive about claiming territories as being "igbo" seeing as how these are the same ppl who went around claiming Ibotirama in Bahia, Brazil was an Igbo founded town simply because the word IBO is in there lol (and they STILL try to pass it off as fact) when IN FACT it was the native indian brazilians who not only founded the town but gave it that name lol.


Also I find it a bit peculiar how most of these Igbo "facts" are on igbo centric blogs/sites.

But anyway all african groups sent to the new world as slaves influenced us equally. Thats the bottom line.

In Brazil, it is probably the Yoruba, but linguistically, there are more IGBO BASED words within the Jamaican Diaspora, Remember my post on IGBO PROVERBS still used in Jamaica

There are several Igbo words in Jamaican Patois that stem from the Igbo slaves that were on the island. Many of these words were added to Jamaican Patois when slaves were restricted from speaking their own languages. Many of these Igbo words still exist in Jamaican vernacular including words such as 'unu' meaning 'you (plural)',[14] 'di' which is 'to be (in state of)' which became 'de', and 'okra' a vegetable.[32]

Proverbs[edit source]

Ilu in Igbo means proverbs,[33] a part of language that is very important to the Igbo. Igbo proverbs did not fail to cross the Atlantic along with the masses of enslaved Igbo people. Till today several transliterated Igbo proverbs survive in Jamaica today because of the Igbo ancestors. Some of these include:
Igbo: "He who will swallow udala seeds must consider the size of his anus"
Jamaican: "Cow must know 'ow 'im bottom stay before 'im swallow abbe [Twi 'palm nut'] seed"; "Jonkro must know what 'im a do before 'im swallow abbe seed"Igbo: "Where are the young suckers that will grow when the old banana tree dies?"
Jamaican "When plantain wan' dead, it shoot [sends out new suckers]"Igbo: "A man who makes trouble for other is also making one for himself"
Jamaican: "When you dig a hole/ditch for one, dig two"Igbo: "The fly who has no one to advise it follows the corpse into the ground"
Jamaican: "Sweet-mout' fly follow coffin go a hole"; "Idle donkey follow cane-bump [the cart with cane cuttings] go a [animal] pound"; "Idle donkey follow crap-crap [food scraps] till dem go a pound [waste dump]"Igbo: "The sleep that lasts for one market day to another has become death"
Jamaican: "Take sleep mark death [Sleep is foreshadowing of death]""When cow tail cut off, God Almighty brush fly"; "God fan fly fi 'tumpa tail [stump-tailed] cow"
"Dog sweat, but long hair cover it"[34]

SOURCE:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_people_in_Jamaica

bigfrancis21:

@Bold...On a second thought as I got home yesterday I wondered if this guy was worth my time and efforts? I didn't deem him worth my efforts and decided to drop one more source of mine to see his reaction and he responded exactly as I expected.

@Kwame...you keep belittling the Igbo presence in the slave trade by parading fake statistics and charts.
You belittle the Igbo presence yet I'm sure you are not aware of a place called 'Ibo's Landing' in the state of Georgia, US and the exemplary feat Igbos carried out there.
http://themoonlitroad.com/coastal-georgia-slavery-ibo-landing/

You belittle the presence of Igbo people yet a full Igbo village was erected in US to honor the ubiquitous presence of Igbo people in the United states. This was a project whose idea was birthed and executed by African Americans themselves in conjunction with the Museum of America with the help of Igbo Americans living in the US. Funny enough you don't get to hear of African Americans being so interested in building Kongo/Akan/Senegambian villages in honour of those people as you'd want to force on us. Why is that?

You belittle the Igbo presence yet Wikipedia found it worthy to write several comprehensive threads on African Americans and their Igbo ancestry. Surely they wouldn't have deemed it worthy to waste time and efforts writing that if the Igbo presence wasn't too important to care about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_American

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_people_in_the_Atlantic_slave_trade

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_American

With the way you configure up your statistics and with all the make-believe you make us believe here one would not expect any African American to have Igbo ancestry. Yet African Americans keep taking the DNA test and many of them have results pointing to full/partial Igbo ancestry. Ever heard of DNA testing before? I guess you haven't. Several of these AAs have made journeys back to Igboland, their native land. Of course you won't believe that. Forest Whitaker, Bishop TD Jakes, Edward Roye(3rd Liberian President), Atlanta mayor Kaseem Reed, Wesley Snipes, Blair Underwood, Mobb Deep, and so many others are such examples. These are prominent African Americans. Your eyes have been too blackened to see the light. DNA testing results have proven that your statistics are false and banal.

You call Igbo people lazy yet in I945, Igbo slaves in Brazil rebelled against the white slave masters and formed a republic of their own, The Ibo Republic of Palmeres' which dictated the rules and regulations of the plantation trade and reigned for over half a century. This is the very same brazil you claimed Igbos were minute in number when records show that the Igbo/Ibibio group came third after Kongo and Yoruba.

You say the Igbo people had nothing to contribute when Jamaican Patois is made of several Igbo words such as unu(you plural), sooso(only), eewo(exclamation), Di(In the state of), 'Red Ibo/bone' etc. 'Unu' is an Igbo word present and still found in the patois of many carribean nations in central america. Trinidad and Tobago, Barbados, Jamaica, St. Kittles, etc all use the Igbo 'unu' in their patois. The English word 'Okra' was derived from the Igbo word, 'Okwuru' because Okra is a staple Igbo food. Several Black English words such as 'Ama'(I will) was derived from Igbo 'Ama' which means the same thing in Igbo.

You claim Igbo people left no legacy behind when the Jamaican people practise a form of sorcery called 'Obia/Obeah' derived from Igbo 'Dibia' which combines Igbo, Akan and Congolese practices.

You claim Igbos were useless yet blacks of Igbo ancestry were known to have orchestrated the famous Haitian rebellion that led to the independence of Haiti in the 19th century. Igbos were popular in Haiti that a phrase still exists in the Haiti language which is 'Ibo pend cora yo' meaning 'Igbos hang themselves'. During the start of the biafran war in 1967, Haiti was the first country to recognize Biafra as a country in brotherly solidarity to their relatives across the Atlantic in their struggle for independence. A type of native haitian song called 'Ibo Lele' has been dedicated specially to the Igbo people by Haitians in cognizance of their Igbo ancestors.

Igbo people were favoured by the British and that is why you have them taken more to British colonies or current English speaking nations in the Caribbean and Americas such as US, Jamaica, Trinidad and Tobago, Barbados, West Indies etc.

A population census carried out in 1813 in Trinidad and tobago showed Igbo people to be dominating other ethnicities.

You should know one thing, I don't engage myself in name callings or negativities. Neither do I peddle myself with fake facts and charts. I engage in intelligent discourse. Its clear you aren't capable of holding an intelligent discourse without the use of profanity. Your fact peddling still doesn't change anything or the views held by millions of african americans and other people who believe alike. Of course I expect a backlash of name callings from you.

You should also know that your fake charts, statistics did not change anything or impress me at all. You did not change my view neither can you force them me or anyone.

Someone described your reasoning as reta.rd.ed and I agree. Little wonder no other person is arguing with you. Well, this will be my last post to you.

A very Good post Bigfrancis21 I admit I enjoyed reading it.

Though I must let you know that the word OBEAH is more strongly linked with the AKAN word OBAYIFO, meaning sorcery/witch

But without a doubt, the IGBO in my opinion had the STRONGEST INFLUENCE on the DIASPORA

bigfrancis21:

We go out and make the money, lazzzzy! We are hustlers!

Yes you Sacrifice people and use JUJU for Money!!

bigfrancis21:

The baby milk you buy you buy using government assistance! Lmao!

The milk you people feed your babies with is from FRAUD MONEY!!!!

bigfrancis21:

Troll keeps wanting to log off yet she never logs off. Ain't you got babies to breastfeed or something?

Better TO breastfeed a Baby than to sell it into SLAVERY!!!

KidStranglehold:

Again be thankful to AA's that you would be allowed to have a comfortable life in the USA.

And there are no slums in the USA...Show me in the USA where AA's are living like this!


Cease with the nonsense already.

OH SH**T YOU JUST KILLED bigfrancis21!

bigfrancis21:

@Bold...oh sure I would!!! And I expect that you'll be that dumb to release it to me and with our smart cockiness, I'll milk all the dollars in account dry. Apparently, the dollars you've been saving from goverment assistance.

Hahahahahahaahahahahahahaha.

Africans are that dumb yet we keep out smarting Americans of their dollars. Who are the smart ones now, huh?

Oh Wouldn't you just love that. .

If you want my account number Bigfrancis21 just ask me for it

AND BE NICE ABOUT IT!

I was watching a programme the other day where a Nigerian couple were claiming TAX CREDITS from the benefit system
under several different names with several different false passports and from several different addresses.


They did made some GOOD MONEY TOO. Until eventually they got too greedy and were caught and deported


This is the reason you Nigerians change your names to more English sounding name because when people like you go for jobs in BANKS and POST OFFICES the employers are terrified when them see a name like TOKUNBO on the form!!!!

bigfrancis21:

@Bold...

And I suppose Nigeria is a safe country for tourism huh??

Everyone has heard about the gangsters you have there too, or shall I call them AREA BOYS?

Shall we talk about the sex workers waiting to infect people with HIV??


I don't SUPPOSE you are going to ask me for my account number any time soon are you??

bigfrancis21:

Hello Jaydummy...you're back!

Why not talk about the millions of dollars in government assistance for african americans when they wouldn't get up on their feet, go to school, get good jobs or start up companies and get busy huh?

You're talking about corruption, why are the worst slums in almost all US cities inhabited by blacks?

Or y'all still waiting to heal? Lmao

This child is like a broken record!


The worst slum in the US is better than the best slum in Nigeria!!

bigfrancis21:

Akuko uwa! *yawns* Lmao.

You should bow your heads in shame that an african is the president of the united states. A groundbreaking feat which african americans could not achieve. How pitiable of you.

After all you have other AA sister marrying AA brothers. What have those brothers achieved? Why didn't they become presidents. Yet you had an african come all the way from kenya to sweep the presidency in your very eyes. Why? Obama himself was hardworking, combined with his wife Michelle. She didn't do the work alone. The man had to be up and doing and not lying down all day waiting on some govt assistance.

Was OBAMA born in KENYA??

Some how I don't think he would have made president if he were?

I thought you people were only counting Non-Mixed people??


Why do you not BOAST about the Corruption of your African Leaders?


And why Billions of Pounds of foreign aid still has not managed to uplift your continent?

bigfrancis21: While african americans were waiting for more time to heal, you had an african from kenya come right to your front and sweep away the presidency from your age-long white masters. A feat you AAs could not achieve. But an african did. And I hear some of you people claiming him as african american.

Africans are outdoing AAs bad time. I said it before. Give Africans and AAs still waiting for more centuries to heal an equal playing field, AAs won't even see our backs in achievements.

And like I have said in an earlier post

When Michelle met Barrack, he had no job

But what he did have was a degree.

When they were married Michelle was a successful Lawyer and the MAIN BREAD WINNER FOR TEN YEARS!!

An AA WOMAN SUPPORTED OBAMA and HELPED PUT HIM WHERE HE IS!!

eziza:

Nope, another mutt. Doesn't count.

Why does he not count

All African Americans and Caribbean people are mixed somewhere down the line

bigfrancis21:

Oh please I could count many Igbos and yorubas on that list!

Ndubuisi Ezerioha. Igbo
Murphy Nmezi. Igbo
Nriagu Jerome. Igbo
Ogbu Uzo. Igbo
Olukotun Kunle. Yoruba
Oyekan Soni. Yoruba
And so much more.


They are Nigerians, not african americans!

See how african immigrants who just entered US in recent times are making ground breaking inventions while AAs are still waiting for more time to heal. Lmao!

Here you go talking about science I thought you all don't believe in science.


What is it that you believe in again


Oh yeah

WITCHCRAFT!!!!!!!!!!

Mrs.Chima:


Since you seems to think that BA contribute nothing positive to the world...name some great inventions by Nigerians celebrated worldwide besides fraudulent marriages and abandoned babies