Sagamite:

You are a mooooron!

Soon you would be comparing the US army to Nazi killings of the Jews.

Reetard, is comparing a war to murder.

So you are saying people campaigning for democracy are ANTI-STATE and a threat to be exterminated but the people with guns looting and ruling the country by terror without a mandate are PRO-STATE that need to be defended?

So he killed 1, he killed 2, he killed 3 and he did not deem it justified to flee so he does not have to do it again and avoid his own life taken? Because, according to your logic, he is not Jesus Christ, that makes it okay? Why not, he was benefitting from the looting of the treasury in his post.

The Abacha government was not a threat to polity, security and peace of the state and its people?

My country keeps on churning out a high volume of CRETINS like this fooool!

Dont call me names please

Use your brain and your keyboard.

Going by your narrow minded diatribe, anything undemocratic is bad, isnt it?

In the past 11 years, what have we been able to achieve under civilian rule? You, if only you would be objestive, would admit that the best times so far were the Babangida years, better than the past 11 years combined. this is not a debate between military rule vs civilian rule, so i will not go there today.

As for why he did not run away? Where was he going to run to? What about his family? Becoming a CSO is not for the feeble minded. A CSO typically must have spent a significant amount of time in the military; most of this guys are already brainwashed in the goodness of military life. They believe in their military ethos wholehearted, just as how Hitler believed in the supremacy of the Germans. Military life and ways is not just something you do for the times; you cannot change ideas and mentality the way the current crop of civilians change parties. And Al Mustapha was extremely disciplined, deserting the military was not an option, he was not a coward. He was patriotic and he swore to defend the unity of Nigeria, not feeble mindedly like you. When he swore to defend Nigeria, he meant it. He wasnt a double dealer like you. And like all honorable men, deserting the military WAS NOT AN OPTION.

The Abacha government stabilized the polity remember. He took over from a bloody civilian Shonekon. At that point, Nigeria was at a cross road, and the civilians were clueless as to how to move the country forward; hence the need for military rule. He brought peace and security. I was in Lagos then, and Marwa did a great job to stem the tide of armed robbery and random killings, something no civilian, including Fashola, has been able to reciprocate.

~Bluetooth:

Honestly,you are not making any sense.so Abiola and his wife were involved in anti-state activities ?
did you actually know the number of people that were killed bu this guy ?

I watched Oputa panel like mad

I read every Tell magazine, and Guardian, of that era. I know what I am talking about.

Yes, Abiola engaged in ANTI-STATE activities, so did Kudirat, So did the lucky Alex Ibru.

It is not my job to decide what is anti state vs what is not, That is the job of the CSO and the security whatever in charge of keeping the country safe, Diya and Adisa were planning a coup for real, against the president of the country. I can go on and on.

The SW mostly was anti the government, and we were proud of that. The government felt threatened and they did what any military government of that era would do. BTW, for records, Abiola was not killed by Al Mustapha; Kudirat? Maybe.

Again, I repeat, it has been great injustice for him to have been held in Kirikiri for 11 years for absolutely no good reason. He ought to sue the government for damages. Because he is a nice guy, i doubt he would sue Nigeria.

Sagamite:

You are comparing a soldier ordered to go to war to fight armed resistance/soldiers to a soldier ordered to pick up and kill innocent, unarmed civilians on the streets?  

Explain a bit more.

Armed resistance my foot.
Yeah, the US army went to Iraq to fight the Russians?

Like the Iraqi army, to start with, were on the same level as the US Army?

Lets call a spade a spade. AL Mustapha killed defenseless people, so did the young marines. The Iraqi army on so many levels were no more than the innocent souls Al Mustapah ordered killed. For god sake, The US Army spends 400 billion dollars/year on their Military compared to the peanut the Iraqis spent, not to talk of the many civillians, children and women, that were killed, all in the name of liberating Iraqis.

Again, he had a job and did it to the best of his ability. The people he ordered killed posed tremendous danger to the security and peaceful existence of the country; hence their death, unfortunately.

~Bluetooth:

Very idi-otic conclusion.[b]he killed people with his hands based on his boss order s[/b]o, he should be held responsible for those murder.

Those people were trying to destabilize the polity.

These were people involved in ANTI-STATE activities.

He was a military officer, a very disciplined one, and one of the best for that matter, going by an article I read in TELL a long tome ago

He had a job and did his job to the best of his ability.

He is just the messenger. he personally has said it many times that he was sorry. he had no personal beef against the people he ordered killed. They were orders from above. Lets be objective here. I am Yoruba, and what happened in that era was unfortunate, but Al Mustapha in my eye did nothing wrong. If he did not do his job, someone else would have done it and he would have had to pay for his disobedience with his life. Why should he die for someone else; after all. he is not Jesus Christ!

Sagamite:

I am someone that is highly vocal against injustice.

That said there are some injustices that rather than voluntarily scream injustice loudly and consistently as a vanguard against the act, I would just whisper injustice strictly only when asked for a view. This arrogant animal is one of such cases.

This animal was one of the key cogs in injustices of torture, killings, torment, looting and anti-democracy. Thank God he lived to experience some of what he dished out diligently, with excitement and relish. Unfortunately he has not experienced the ultimate of his actions - Murder/Death. At least Saddam and Samuel Doe got theirs to my exhilirating excitement.

Hopefully the armed robbers of Nigeria will apply that to him sometime soon.

The fact that he has not been found guilty or not being able to be found guilty means little to me. He is just sadly a beneficiary of the rotten system that became the outcome of his contribution to our society, where witnesses are too struck with terror to help investigations, systems are i n a rot and no records are kept, investigating officials are ill-equipped and incompetent, judicial officials are unscrupulous and corruptible.

May he die a miserable death soon.

What exactly did he do wrong?

The last time I checked, "Obeying your superior" isnt a crime.

What is the difference between Al Mustapha and the young US marines sent to Iraq to liberate Iraqis?

Hint: They both killed sporadically, on the order of their superiors. Despite that, the US marines are treated as heros in their homeland. Why cant we do that to Al Mustapha. For crying out sake, he was the CSO at one time, he kept the president safe at all times, against, mostly ,enemies of the state. I see nothing wrong in that!

Al Mustapha is just a victim, like the rest of us

He did his job to the best of his ability,
I certainly have nothing against that.

Deep down, he seems like a nice enough guy, there was no reason to kill him.

@ Mukina2

You can see yourself

An ordinary, barely coherent hausa man has just floored you about the futility of banning your so called tribalists

Deep down we are all tribalists; going by your narrow-minded definition

Blazay right there has said more derogatory stuffs against Yorubas and Ibos than Ileke, fstranger, Akin Egba, Udeuze combined; yet he is still here spewing his rubbish
What conclusion do you want me to come to? How am I supposed to not  believe that he is enjoying such a privilege because he is the only one in real life unashamed to give you some badly needed action? How am I supposed to not believe that there is some sort of corruption going on here?

Untill you do the right thing, blame yourself for any negative comment that comes your way!

Chikena!

mukina2:

what did he do?
link?

So you know to ban me, ban my IP and my browser and you did not know that Udeuze, along with Ezeuchen and Chyz, is the biggest tribalist on here?

Hmm, I hope you are not being paid for this job!

Alj harem, you are mad Funny

That is udueze indeed!

Jarus:

Look, OAU reject, I never said there is anything wrong in tribal supremacism, which Bola Ige did. Bola Ige believed Yoruba was the best tribe. There is absolutely nothing wrong in promoting one's tribe, it's part of being proud of one's origin. But will BI descend to the level you guys do here? Capital No.
Bola Ige will not look at every issue from ethnic lens as you guys thrive on here.

Every sane topic is being turned into tribal bashing by guys. You need to grow, guys.

Call me whatever, I have not raised my hands on anybody.
I am basically using words like my mentors before me to torment my enemies.

SO let us talk about it wherever and whenever; without that there can never be true healing.
Whatever, you are doing now, eg banning, is a temporary solution.

When you fight tribalism, tribalism fights back!

A word is enough for the wise

Yours fstranger aka fstranger1 aka fstranger2 aka stranger aka strangest aka strangerf aka killmukina aka rapemukina aka kobojokobo aka kobojunkii aka fstranger2 aka fstranger3 aka praise101 and now justise.

Jarus:

Look, OAU reject, I never said there is anything wrong in tribal supremacism, which Bola Ige did. Bola Ige believed Yoruba was the best tribe. There is absolutely nothing wrong in promoting one's tribe, it's part of being proud of one's origin. But will BI descend to the level you guys do here? Capital No.
Bola Ige will not look at every issue from ethnic lens as you guys thrive on here.

Every sane topic is being turned into tribal bashing by guys. You need to grow, guys.

YES.Obviously you were too young to read his articles in th 90s

Chief Bola Ige’s decision to write a weekly column in the Sunday Tribune seems to have been a strategic decision. It placed him in a good position to propagate hatred against his target group, the Fulani, in particular, and northerners in general. He has used every opportunity, I repeat EVERY OPPORTUNITY,to liken the Fulani to the Tutsis of Rwanda and sometimes of Burundi also. As the “Tutsis of Nigeria,” he provocatively proclaimed that the Fulani of Nigeria are likely to end up sharing the same bloody fate with the Tutsis of Rwanda!

       

         In an article in his column, on page 2 of Sunday Tribune of September 4, 1996, entitled “Up Nigeria!!!” on the victory of the Golden Eaglets against the Brazilians in the semi-finals of the football event of the Atlanta Olympics, Chief Bola Ige said:



“…if the team had been made up from “ Federal character” and “quota” we probably would not have had Kanu together with Oliseh and Amunike and Amokachi. There probably would not be a goalkeeper called Dosu. Some Nigerian Tutsis would probably have packed the team with their kinsmen.”



The intensity of his campaign of hatred against the Fulani was such that he derided even the dresses worn by Nigerian athletes. According to him:



“First who asked our athletes to wear those almajiri dresses ;Din Atlanta at the opening ceremonies? I felt insulted that Mary Onyali and others should be asked to wear a dress which is like those herdsmen and beggars wear in Northern Nigeria. There was hardly any difference between the contingent from Niger Republic and our own. Even the athletes from Benin Republic and Togoland showed off better than we. Or is this part of the native colonisation of Nigeria?”



         Chief Bola Ige, in fact, endorsed the genocide inflicted on the Tutsis by the Hutu extremists. He protested against the detention and pending trial of the Hutu extremists arrested for genocide. In an article titled, “River of Human Beings.” published in his column, on page 2 of the Sunday Tribune of December 1, 1996, Chief Bola Ige said that the crimes of the genocidaires pale into insignificance compared with their detention. The Tutsis, like the Fulani, were also transformed into “native colonialist” for keeping “60,000, yes SIXTY THOUSAND, Rwandans holed up in a couple of crowded and smelly prisons on charges of murder and genocide. In a country where there are probably a score or a few lawyers to prosecute…”



         Justifying the genocide, he wrote, “Buyoya of Burundi, Kigame of Rwanda and other Tutsis in uniform are doing what their brothers in other parts of Africa are doing. They, a minority, want to dominate the majority. They forget, because of temporary power, that sooner or later, an oppressed people throw off yoke. Tutsis and their brothers in other parts of Africa seem incapable of learning the wisdom which white Afrikaners learnt very well in the last ten years; that if a minority does not quickly reach an accommodation with the majority the days of the minority will not only be numbered, they may soon become nights and that quickly.”

       

         The fact that the Tutsis were not in power when 800,000 of them were massacred in April, 1994 and, therefore, did not constitute a ruling minority in any sense of the term, was disregarded by this Senior Advocate of Nigeria, in his determination to prepare the minds of Nigerians for a repeat of the Rwandan tragedy in Nigeria.



Like in Rwanda, where Tutsi were identified as the target group and blamed for all the ills of the society, Chief Bola Ige insistently identified the Fulani as evil oppressors and parasites and, therefore, as the target group for genocide in Nigeria. Writing in his regular column on page 2 of Sunday Tribune of 16 February, 1997, on the composition of the membership of the Vision 2010 Committee Chief Bola Ige again repeated his characterisation of the Fulani as the  “Tutsis of Nigeria” and blamed all the ills of the country on them. Chief Bola Ige wrote:



“Since 1960, has our bane not been that the “Tutsis” of Nigeria (who are minority of minorities - in population, in education, in management skills, in the economy) have held Nigeria at the jugular, scheming political manoeuvres that make them hold on to power at all costs and in all circumstances? The result, of course, is that all “non Tutsis” of Nigeria are not ready to trust their future to such minority who have never exhibited true Nigeria nationalism…The young people do not trust the authorities, and the way they see Nigeria is vastly different from how the “Tutsis” of Nigeria want Nigeria to be”



         Yet in another piece captioned “Whose National Question” which appeared on page 2 of Sunday Tribune of 7 September, 1998, where he discussed the Scottish referendum on autonomy, Chief Bola Ige raised his incitement against the Fulani to a higher level. According to him:



‘when the brothers and children of those who wanted confederation of Nigeria in 1953, now pose as the arch-gospellers of Nigeria’s “indivisible” unity…They do so because they think they are the Tutsis of Nigeria, and imagine that all Nigerians must be ruled by them till Kingdom come. All sensible and rational people all over the world acknowledge that there are certain axioms about how people should live. If a country is multi-lingual, multi-ethnic and multi-religious, its constitution MUST be federal…At the risk of being misunderstood, it seems to me that the reason the Tutsis of Nigeria cannot understand these simple axioms is that first, they are an immigrants uprooted group scattered all over Nigeria without any defined geographical boundaries; secondly their culture has been lost to a “religious” culture so-called which unfortunately does not enable them to appreciate the culture of other people, not even the Habe–Hausa culture, thirdly they are insignificant in numbers they have to attach themselves to others and appear as part and parcel of those they parasite on; and finally, they have had the fortune of military rule in Nigeria for almost thirty years and have succeeded in manipulating the military for their own purposes”



         There is certainly no difference between Bola Ige’s characterisation of the Fulani in the quotation above and the definition of the Tutsis by the genocidal regime in Rwanda. Even Hitler could not do better. For Hitler, the Jews were vermin, dirty, blood-sucking, insects to be exterminated. Calling humans insects, or parasites helps to prepare the minds of those who are being mobilised to carry out genocide, to do so without any iota of guilt.  After all, are bugs not supposed to be destroyed? Target groups are denied their humanity in order to make it easier to brutally and cold-bloodedly exterminate them.

It is the same Cicero who turned an ordinary TV interview about Nigeria progress, with the then screen TV in late 2001, into ethnic bashing, saying; "Nigeria would have reached the promised land if not for the BACKWARD north. 

Yeah, I am a tribalist. I am proud to be one!