hhmmm, can see that this thread is really getting interesting:

@Mr. Filch

Kimba, Kazey and the rest of you who support the actions of the 419 criminals, It just goes to show how far some people have to travel before they become decent, rational people with moral ethics. All I can see here are pathetic musings from a a bunch of ill educated, illiterate morons.

hey, hey, hey, FROM ALL IVE SAID SO FAR, HAS ANY STATEMENT OF MINE INDICATED FOR A FACT THAT IM IN SUPPORT OF THE ACTIONS OF 419 PERPETRATORS?
Or is it that you dont read my replies at all. Cmon Filch, someone of your caliber should learn to be objective.

this is from my last post, didnt you read it?

@Mr. Filch

How many times will I tell you I do not condone the actions of the 419 people? See, I stand not to defend the perpetrators, neither would I defend the victims. And by the way, you didnt answer my questions the first time I asked them.

and what is this supposed to mean?

It just goes to show how far some people have to travel before they become decent, rational people with moral ethics.

You mean Nigerians, until they travel out are not decent, not rational, have no moral ethics? You have nothing racist in mind, or do you, ? That you direct attack the "personality" of everyone that has gone against your views as far as this thread goes, only shoes the level of ignorance you are still entrenched into. I really wonder if you can, in real life, man to man, talk for 10minutes without saying something foul. I think you are racist and very much biased. And you will be in the group of people praising Europe for anything and everything that happens there, good or bad Anyway, let me leave that topic and get back to the discussion.

Although Kazey has asked you some questions in reply to your post, extracted below, and for which you havent answered yet, but let me help him add more pepper to the stew. You say:

Lottery scams
Orphanage donation scams
Tsunami help fund scams
Charity scams

Are all these victims that gave money to these vermin criminals?

So your problem is because you sat in the U.K and donated for a lottery program that never took off in Nigeria or somewhere in Africa, and for which you were never considered a winner? Wont it be so nice to sit in your house and win 10million naira? you sent money down to Nigeria to fund an Orphanage that you later found out didnt exist? The whole world knows Tsunami didnt happen in Nigeria, but you got a letter asking for financial assistance for Tsunami victims in Nigeria and you stupidly sent money do those victims, later you found out it was fake? or maybe they said the HQ office of the Tsunami victims was in Nigeria, but the victims were where the disaster really happened, and you really sent your hard-earned cash down?, You should have been really stupid; You tried helping a Charity in Sudan suddenly for you to find out there was no "such foundation"?

Fine, sorry that you made those mistakes. But have you looked throughout the U.K and you didnt find the Nigerian Embassy to ask them for details of whatever proposals were sent to you? If one of the officials at the Embassy there duped you, then that is another story. But if you made all the mistakes above, do you know Ignorance of the Law is no excuse, Ignorance and stupidity walk hand in hand my friend.

I really appreciate the fact that people like you love Africa so much and you want to send all the money you've got down to Africa for help because they are dying, but sir, before you "believed their report", did you verify from one or two places whether the infos were true? Are there no well-meaning Nigerians where you are, in your neighborhood or in the next, that you could cross-check from, and at least present "the proposal from their country to them", they would surely know better than you, or are all of them a vile set of people too?

And the useless naked pictures you posted on your fake church website, are those the Africans you are helping? Is that your definitions of their "listening to the voice of God emanating from your lips"? As far as im concerned, you are the #1 false-prohet on Nairaland, but lets leave that issue. I know a lot of Britons, Americans foreigners who actually picked their Bible and came down here to offer real-time help, and truly I appreciate them for it. In fact, some of them decided to stay on. At least they saw to it that the money they wanted to give out as Charity was put into good use. Rather than sit down there and talk trash about the people you dont know, dont care of knowing, dont care to help, and as you would think and realize that you get scammed by these same people of a lesser intellectual status than you are, why dont you Shut up, and just Shut up. Please.

and by the way, just to remind you of Kazey's questions:

What about the:-

Lottery scams -> Why would you win in a lottery you never participated in?
Orphanage donation scams-> Why would you donate to an organisation that is spamming your inbox?
Tsunami help fund scams-> Why would you donate to an organisation that is spamming your inbox?
Charity scams-> Why would you donate to an organisation that is spamming your inbox?

If truly, you would want to win a lottery you never participated in, you would still donate to an organization causing a nuisance to your email box, then I think you need to get scammed.

And If i were in charge, as I said before, I'll throw you and the scammer inside the same cell, coz both of you are causing problems for the common man.

@Jakumo

Kimba you have consistently chosen to ignore the existence of all those 419 victims who responded to email requests for charitable donations sent out by scammers, and who responded by sending money out of the innocent and altruistic desire to help those in need, while being totally unaware that those pleas for charitable donations were fabrications in their entirety, cooked up in the idle and depraved minds of truly evil folks who wouldn't lift a finger to save their own mother if she was in need.

I said something on this issue above. But wait, ok, so you received a letter that there was an earth-quake somewhere in Africa, and that 70,000 people have died, and that the hospitals are filled etc., and tears start streaming down your cheeks, "oh, see the creations of God dying", and quickly, you call your bank: "please, can you transfer £2,000 into so and so account?", and after the money gets wired, you finally pick up the newspaper, take a look at the News and find out nothing of such happened in Africa.

Let me put it like this: Man by nature would want to play on the intelligence of his fellow man. This cuts across the lines of race, country, religion, polity, family, etc., or whatever. Assuming you are in the U.K, and you get such a heart-wrenching letter, note that the account where the money is to be transferred to is usually in Europe or America, not in some no-NEPA bank in Nigeria where the disaster really happened. With all the technology available, cant you check out the details(who owns what account) of the bank account you are to transfer money into/at least cross-check here and there, as long as you dont know, neither have you seen the person you have been communicating with, and its not that you gave out the money as cash. #2) I find it so surprising that in such a scenario, with the amount of Nigerians and Africans abroad, you cant find out from one person or the other to give you an advice/at least take 2-extra looks at the proposal before you, even if it is a business proposal, #3) are there no authorities in place to get relevant information from? #4) with the multitude of Nigerians, Africans(pure/mixed) outside Africa at the moment, even if you as a person cannot trust an African you can see with your two eyes, why should you trust another African you can see only through email?

I know its all easy, especially if one is filled with as much compassion as Mr. Filch , the only thing is that he hasnt answered me as par the financial status of the naked people whose pictures are on his website.

As we are discussing here on NL, note that people are still getting scammed real-time, with all the infos going around, with the general awareness of the 419+Nigeria epidemic, with all the advices that people should be careful as far as money and business is concerned, the truth is you cant totally claim "i didnt know".

If the 419 awareness has gone global, how much hotter should it be in Nigeria, and dont you know people still get scammed right inside Nigeria, forget even about the rest of Africa. It would have been better if everyone in Nigeria by now are street smart, as far as 419/fee fraud is concerned, but thats not the truth. And as I said in an earlier post, its not new. What we have today is only a "technology applied" whatever of the days of the "con man".

To counter my assertion that law-abiding Nigerians are long-term victims of 419 by virtue of the tremendous damage done to the reputation of Nigeria and the knock-on effects that has in terms of lost business opportunities for Nigerians world-wide, you again launch into your predictable bleating that only Nigerians who were directly scammed by other Nigerians can be considered victims, and then deservedly so, in your opinion.

See, not only the law-abiding innocent Nigerians, even the generations of Nigerians yet to come will feel the effect. I said

@Jakumo

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Kimba you must try to understand that HONEST and LAW ABIDING Nigerians are ironically some of the greatest long-term victims of the 419 crime-wave because of they lose business opportunities and credibility everywhere they go in the world as a direct result of the mortal damage done to the reputation of ALL Nigerians by those unrepentant career fraudsters you defend so passionately in your writing
Jakumo, cmon, you should think better than what you are saying:
1) Honest and Law Abiding Nigerians are ironically some of the greatest long-term victims of 419 crime-wave?
(1) That is pure bull. It just doesnt sync together. If you are honest and law-abiding, what made you interested in Advanced Fee Fraud? What was so interesting as to catch your interest in the loot of some dead Minister of Finance in some country you don't know about? Did you work for the money to be transfered into your account? if truly you are Honest and Law Abiding.

read the above again.
Forget the Nigerian or whoever, The truth is, if you are a law-abiding human being on planet earth and you are still interested in Advanced Free Fraud, because of the potential gains, forget it, you are guilty.

@Jakumo

Clearly you do not consider the total denigration of Nigeria's reputation by the 419 scourge to be noteworthy, and this may be due to the fact that you simply don't care how bad Nigeria's image gets, possibly since your line of work is not affected in the slightest by your country's pariah status in the global business community. Please be advised that your blinkered, self-serving opinion is NOT widely held outside of the criminal networks for whom you have appointed yourself as ambassador and official spokesman.

When/where did I tell you that I didnt consider the denigration of Nigeria's reputation by the 419 scourge as noteworthy?
=>do you think its easy been looked at twice or thrice at the Airport once you are seen carrying a Nigerian passport?
=>do you know that for the fact that one could be labelled a "temporary suspect" is enough problem to deal with? =>what happened to innocent Arab Americans travelling to and fro after Sept11? they didnt find it easy, yet they did nothing wrong.
=>Why do you think many Nigerians if they have the opportunity and legal means would want to travel into and out of Nigeria with a passport other than the Nigerian green? is it because they arent patriotic? is it that they are criminals? or that they would rather choose to stay out of trouble by all means and avoid been labelled as suspects? I had a cousin who travelled to Cali, about 2years ago to attend a training programme on behalf of his company. Can you believe that he was followed, he was tailed by an American airport officer, right from Nigeria to where he was going, just because they thought he looked "somehow".


hhmmmm, my post is getting really long, but let me end with this:
Let me tell you a little story: Have you tried crossing the Nigerian border into Seme, cotonou, Accra by foot, i mean walking across the border, yes you drive in between? I once had a serious argument with some white-folks, a mixture of tourists and UN officers. I was there waiting with others on the line while the immigration/foreign affairs/border officers scrutinized every reason why the person in front needed to leave Mile 2, in Lagos. Here comes like 13 white folks(male/female) with a Nigerian walking in front of them, holding all their passports and other documents, all of them walk straight to the officer at the counter, give him the passports etc. I noticed, a $10 bill was inserted into every passport of our white folks. $10 approx N1,300, so ure talking something way over Ten-Thousand Naira. Very quickly, the officer at the counter collects them and in a cool and swavy fashion, extracts all the $10bills, packs the documents of those of us on the queue aside and starts attending to the newcomers. After the travel document verification, theres supposed to be a body-search. I couldnt take it, so I waited until their documents were in "processing stage" before I decided to make a scene. I made a so serious scene and I believe those white-folks will never forget it. I first started with the man at the counter, asked him what he extracted from the passports. He replies, asking me if I have a problem. So I say "yes I do". Next i started on their Nigerian counterpart, and then with the white-folks themselves. I accused all of them directly of bribery and corruption. The manager had to interfere including some police-officers who had thought to arrest me, I brought out my Passport and ID-Card, they mellowed down, and then the counter officers started apologizing. The white-folks definitely knew what they did was wrong and I was later informed that they crossed to and fro, at least once a month. Now, these are the same white-folks who would go back to wherever and open their mouths saying that Nigeria is corrupt. Thats what im saying, both those who encourage evil and those who go and perpetrate the evil should be dealt with In a sense, the white-folks would make life difficult for the well-meaning innocent ones going on a journey. The officer at the counter definitely didnt re-appear until I left. To cut the story short, at least I saw to it that their $10 bills were returned, they fell in line behind all the others, and everybody got screened without "appreciation fees"

My opinions are not self-serving, Jakumo, im just telling you the cold-truth, and yes, my line of work is sometimes affected by "the eye with which the international community looks at Nigerians". Im just putting issues on the table and looking at them squarely. If you want to eradicate the fire, deal with the fire, deal with the smoke, deal with the fuel and the wood. If possible, cement the ground where the fire frequently burns!!!

Then we all would have Peace.

hhmmmm,

that is a real sorry case, woman 419!!!

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Who Art in Geneva
Haloed be thy name
Thy Condom Come
Thy will be done in Africa
As it is in Europe
Give us this day our AntiRetroviralTherapy
And forgive us our inability to pay
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NOPE, they dont go together.

The question is: Would a Christian really be able to stand on the totality of the Word of God without compromise with Chieftancy titles? NO. Its not just the title that matters, its the requirements, level of commitment to that group that are involved. Should a decision need to be taken, can the Christian man take the totality of Gods Word into full-consideration and application without going against some dictates, and "musts" of the Chieftancy position he is holding?

The truth is he cant please everybody. He cant please them and God at the same time. But God will not accept part-time commitment. And what is he discussing with those in the Chieftancy group? has he preached Jesus to them? have they accepted the faith? can he still maintain intimacy with them and Jesus at the same time.

Its not about killing people or offering sacrifices now, im talking the ideals of Christianity compared to the ideals of the society. They dont match, and arent comaptible.

I do not think married men on the general and by default think about extramarital affairs. Yes most of them do, but a lot of women nowadays are also getting promiscuous. I believe that in a family where Love exists, and where Love did not finish after the honeymoon, from one to another, where the marriage is not just for "Convenience sake anymore" - so that other people will see me still married, let me just manage this man/manage this woman, I have worn a bad shoe that i cant remove, kinda relationships, and in a family where the wife knows how to keep her husband occupied and vice-versa, extramarital affairs wont come into the picture.

On a general note, most times, it starts with suspicion. Wives usually have "other best friends other than their husbands", same too with the husbands, he still keeps the same level of closeness of friends he had when he was a bachelor. And what do you expect the husband to discuss with his bachelor-day friends? they'll ask him about his wife, his marriage, etc, They'll joke and jest and directly or indirectly, everyone will make fun of their wives. All the husband can say is "God is in control". Which God? Its either he's too shy to complement her, defend his wife, praise her, add value to her status in the sight of his friends, or that he decides to keep quiet, play along in the bachelor language rilling, still wanting to fit-in into the waves and raves he used to have in his bachelor days with his friends. Same goes for the new-wife in the company of her friends, all they discuss with her is how to make sure she catches her husband should he be cheating on her(even when he hasnt started).

At the end of the day, when husband and wife come together, definitely both cant sit to discuss what they had individually talked about, laughed at in the comapany of their individual friends, coz they know that in one way or the other, they might have let each other down-valuewise, either by keeping quiet or by laughing and jesting all the same.

Even when the husband is not having any flings, but maybe is staying out late at night on legal terms, and the wife begins to suggest through her nagging and accusations, "that the husband might be coming from another womans house", what do you expect the man to think about, he can just decide, well, if she thinks im getting it somewhere else, i think she wont be so mad(more than she already is) if actually i go get it somewhere else.

Note also that many times, the woman involved in an extramarital affair is also married, so the same(above) goes for the husband in that relationship too,

if something really binds a man and woman together at home, except the fact that 'we have to continue what we have started', then forget extramarital whatever.

@goodguy
I think the word "own" should be properly defined in/out of the marriage context.

I would think of it as "allegiance, 1st responsibility" etc
Before marriage, a "wife" owes her parents her first allegiance and responsibility. And after marriage, she owes it to her husband and family. Same goes for the husband to the wife.

Usually, what causes problems in homes today is that the husband feels he is still "as bound as before" to his maternal family, even after marriage. He wants his wifes first allegiance, yet he can't detach himself from his family. The wife might seek a recourse to bring her own folks into the picture, and the the "clash of the inlaws begin".

I believe in "a man leaves his father and his mother,  a woman leaves her father and her mother, both the man and the woman come together and become one".

I'm not saying our parents become useless after marriage. Its just that one should put things in right perspective. When crucial decisions have to be taken, one should put his "immediate" family first. And until one's parents physically pass away, he/she doesnt cease to become a child to them, and so the love, respect and responsibility towards them must not be cut off.

A bird in the hand is of more worth than 2 in the bush,

an enemy you know might be better than someone who you might not be able to classify as a friend or an enemy.

@xchian

Any man can sweep any woman off her feet, all he needs is the right broom at the right time.A man can hav a woman on his bed on the first date,a man can hav a woman kiss him so emotionally on the first date, all you need is the right broom, and i hav the secret,wana know, what ya think, do you all agree with me?

Let me assume you know what you are talking about, aiight. But wait, forget about "any man". Lets talk "a man".

what are the things that would make "a man" achieve this feat you are talking about.
Use yourself as an example:

so after you get him to kiss you,

then what

Yes, like Afeni said,

There are no menial jobs in Nigeria, i mean 'Menial' that can be done by prisoners without them leaving the prison,

even the Univ grad is jobless, we are talking prisoners,

I left my country when things were still good,
I came back and asked myself, "what happened"
coz it seemed to me the nation had gone back like 10years,
am I responsible too.

The policeman the points a gun at my head and collects 20naira,
am I responsible for that too,
If I had got shot in my skull, who would be responsible.

Prophet, lets begin to live in the reality.

I like the idea, but it would be more of an industry stuff, coz like, how many kinda jobs can you, the enterprenuer engage prisoners in, thats the starting point.

example:
maybe something like: Commercial Laundry within the premises, something that wont bring them into interaction with civilians, but it will be nice anyway, but how about food? how do they feed? Do the private prisons give them food?

Suggestion: something like you work for like 10years to have like 4years cut out of your sentence(thats for those that have to do more than 10yrs ofcourse) kinda, the number of years of work done in a private prison will reduce a certain %of years in one's sentence, that could be a motivation.

@Jakumo

Kimba you must try to understand that HONEST and LAW ABIDING Nigerians are ironically some of the greatest long-term victims of the 419 crime-wave because of they lose business opportunities and credibility everywhere they go in the world as a direct result of the mortal damage done to the reputation of ALL Nigerians by those unrepentant career fraudsters you defend so passionately in your writing

Jakumo, cmon, you should think better than what you are saying:
1) Honest and Law Abiding Nigerians are ironically some of the greatest long-term victims of 419 crime-wave?
(1) That is pure bull. It just doesnt sync together. If you are honest and law-abiding, what made you interested in Advanced Fee Fraud? What was so interesting as to catch your interest in the loot of some dead Minister of Finance in some country you dont know about? Did you work for the money to be transfered into your account? if truly you are Honest and Law Abiding.
(2) If youve been duped once, fine. Then you tie your debt and you dont get duped again. What now makes the ordeal "long-term"?

@Kazey

The scammed person is a theif just like the scammer himself. Lets call a spade a spade.

Thats what im talking about.

@Reverend

So you want people to admire these criminal scum! You are a prime example of the trash that call themselves human beings. Your mentality is dispicable and degenerate in the extreme. I utterly detest people like you and I think that you must have a large part of your brain cells missing. You are part of the cancer that is destroying Nigeria. There is only one cure for cancer and that is to cut it out! half measures are not going to work!

I can see from your post that like Kimba you must also be heavily involved in these crimes.

Theres no need to get foul-mouthed. Its just a discussion.
Have you been scammed before? is that why you are so angry?
Usually, when people didnt work for the money they have, it goes in a way that would make them remember they didnt work for it.

@mamaput, @kazey
Thanks, you said it right

what you have between the two of you is familiarity, not a gf/bf issue.

hhhmmm, this is hard,

if she knows that you plan to marry her, and shes still going out with somebody else,

maybe she doesnt want to marry you anymore. Maybe she has changed her mind,

naija, oyinbo, mammywater?

mammywater?

tit for tat: you're talking to her boyfriend, shes talking to yours,

im not saying you peeps should hate one another, but if its the "normal" talk, then, fine,

else, if the definition of "talk" goes beyond formal, then youve gotta open your eyes.

On the other hand, you shouldnt worry about such things, coz it will affect ur relationship in the first place.

@dearie

she knew about the my escapades at service, yet she wouldn't loosen her grip on me. I Know i Cant marry her, what should i do, please i need your advice.
She sees me as pretending when i tell her i am now a new creature in the Lord.

Which one is "escapades at service".

hhmmmm

@fresheva
take it easy, its not always good to read in-between the lines.

@Babadee,
thank you O, jare,

@Mr. Filch

How many times will I tell you I do not condone the actions of the 419 people? See, I stand not to defend the perpetrators, neither would I defend the victims. And by the way, you didnt answer my questions the first time I asked them.

If you go ahead and answer now, I know you're lying.


@Mariory

You cannot treat someone (victim) like a criminal when no crime has been commited by the victim. If the money the fraudsters were offering does indeed exist, then there might be merit in your argument.

You cannot prosecute someone legally for attempting to steal imaginary money. 

Now if you're trying to say they somehow deserve being scamed in this way, then that's a different story.

Ok, fine, you cannot prosecute someone legally for attempting to steal imaginary money. how about the attempt to steal? is that right too? if you try to rob a bank and you were unsuccessful, but you got away from the police, does that make you guiltless?

Are you a lawyer? Ok, lets talk law here: assume, both the 419 victim and the 419 victor were working on the imaginary.

So (1) both of them had the motive to steal. One wanted to get the loot he didnt work for, which he assumes is a reality. The other one, who knows the loot is a dream works on the assumption that the victim would buy the idea and send him some money to process whatever. Whichever way you put it, both of them had a motive, and if this can be proven in court, both of them are guilty, (yes/no) Intent to commit murder is an offense. So intent to rob a country is one too.

(2) If you say that one cannot be prosecuted who is attempting to steal imaginary money, then until some amount of money (from the victim to the victor) arrives in 419victors hands, he hasnt done anything wrong? is that what you are implying?  And until the victim who wants to loot sends some phoney amount down to the perpetrator, he hasnt done anything wrong too?

The fact that both the perpetrator and the victim even engage in such lengthy discussions, eventually gain the trust of each other, (note: the 419victim trusted the 419victor first for him to send him some money) and there is a motive from one to the other, is there enough ground to prove their guilt?

Note: if the 419 victim did not continue responding to the 1000emails he's receiving, he wont have ended up a victim.
If I were the police in charge, both of you would go behind bars, even if you'll have to spend less time than the actual perpetrators.

just like babadee said

imagine a mail from someone who says she is a dictators wife and wants to hide some loot from the govt and you agree to do that, i mean you deserve to be scammed till you can't pay your bills.

The question is why were you interested in the loot belonging to another government. The fact is, at the time you decided to send some money to whoever you were talking with, you thought the loot was real, and if indeed it was real, you would have been happy stealing from another government.

I'm saying get real. If you hear that mobs are on the street and you decide to take a walk, you shouldnt cry foul when you get shot in the head. So both the mobs and you that heard there are mobs on the street have caused some problems for the rest of the innocent people.

On this 419 issue, let me educate those trying to crucify Nigeria. See, whether you like it or not, Nigeria will be better than it is.

here:
The idea of Advanced Fee fraud, for which the internet is used as an advantage is what I would call the technology application of the Con man of the 60s, 70s, 80s etc.  But now, everyform of corruption is called 419, isnt it?
- those who are interested in fast businesses are called 419
- ladies who would be playing rich men, get their money and wont commit themselves to them are also 419. Even the rich men themselves looking for young and tight fun, are also 419.
- the students who cheat in their exams in school, and the teachers that collect the bribes are also 419
- the pastor that preaches error just to have people give offerings is 419. He even goes to the extent of posting nude pictures of his 'saints' on his website(definitely without their consent), all in the name of Jesus Christ is also 419. Somebody hasnt been informed: my naked picture is on the internet, the terms of some agreement when broken is also 419
- the rich men who want to double/triple their riches without hardwork are also 419
- the youth who cons the rich man from a cybercafe is also 419
- the rich man/guy in America/Europe, who is interested in a loot from an Oil company in Africa/ some huge amount from another country, the loot for which he didnt work for, the source of the money for which he cares not to know about, and who cries foul when he gets duped is also 419.
- the taxi man who refuses to give me my change is also 419.
- those that kidnap rich-kids and demand financial ransom in China are also 419.
- people that see 419 tendency acts perpetrated and refuse to say a word are 419.
- Policemen on Nigerian roads collecting 20naira are 419, and the taxi/bus drivers/private people who give it to them to save their necks are also 419. The touts who collect their own by the way side are also 419.
- Yes the armed robbers breaking into peoples houses are also 419
- those selling fake goods at twice the price of the original are also 419.
- am sorry, but George "city" who went looking for WMD in Iraq and hasnt found a needle and still innocent lives are lost day by day, a lot of children are becoming fatherless, and wives are becoming widows, and the taxis of well-meaning people are wasted are also 419, and Mr. Saddam himself is chief. All the terrorists terrorising the world are 419.
- those who don't pay their taxes are also 419
- and those who would copy email addresses from Nairaland and begin sending letters with it are NLs 419.
- even the woman who sells tomatoes at twice the price are also 419.
- I ordered for some CDs sometime ago and it took 4weeks to get to Nigeria. I shouted on the MD of the Canadian company in Lagos and called him 419.
- and when CNN adds a little salt and pepper to any news about Africa and Nigeria to make it worse than it actually is, tell me, that is 419. Somebody paid somebody who paid somebody to put it in the press, coz somebody has a lot to benefit from such bad news.
- have you wondered why for example, a TV documentary on Africa even in 2006 always starts with a lion and many animals and half clad women, while a documentary on a country in Europe/America always starts with healthy looking people, cars, children in school etc? tell me? thats 419.
- and if you can add 418+1 and get 419, then you are also 419. 
now, I can go on and on

Now, ive not yet gone overboard, Yes, lets restrict this talk to Advance Fee Fraud only and Yes,
@Mr Filch

You are trying to justify the criminal actions of the Nigerian scammers by saying that the victims deserve it and should be also treated as criminals. That is just crazy and unfortunately typical view of an uneducated person.

Its like you are the uneducated fellow in here, because you are looking at the issue with only one eye. Yes, both the victims and the criminals should be treated as criminals, because the victims definitely had something up their sleeve.

answer the question please:
Mr. Filch. If you get one of those letters with all the proposals etc., and if some amount was to be transferred into/through your account, and for which you get a percentage;, and if a miracle happens and the money really lands prime-time in your account, you verify it and everything is intact.
Give me the answers bro:
1) Would you still cry foul?
2) Tell me that you wont begin to talk of a good fortune?
3) tell me that you would go to the police saying "I want to report that the money in my account is not mine".

Yes, thats why i say both the perpetrators and those who fall victim are criminals, because if everything worked well, and they get the millions of pounds real-time, no body will hear about it. Am i not wrong/right?

Again, am I wrong to say that no loots has been transferred out of a country into another? out of a bank in an impoverished country into another? How many rich men of today have illegal money in swiss accounts? are they all Nigerians? and why is Switzerland not giving back all those moneys to their rightful owners? im talking ill gotten wealth here, are they not 419?,  investing it on behalf of somewhere and in things no one knows about?

Can somebody please explain the meaning of "classified" in the U.S of A. Is everything labelled "classified" actually legal?

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Is money evil?  
No. Money is not Evil. The idea of money dates back to when man began to trade with one another. Money can be used to do evil things and in todays world, its not too hard to explain.

How much emphasis should be placed on prosperity?  
It is Gods will for us to prosper and be in good health even as our soul prospereth. In the Bible we find a lot of saints of old who were well to do, rich in their own standards. Abraham was rich, Isaac was rich, Jacob was rich, at several times Israel was rich and comfortable. All through the Bible, we find those who were rich and those who were poor. While Abraham still pleased God in his riches, Pharaoh used his own to oppress people. Another example is King Ahab, who with all his riches still coveted the vineyard of Naboth, a poor man. Solomon was rich, at first his heart was right with God, later he backslid.

The Bible exhorts believers not to place their minds on riches, because the world and its riches will one day pass away. Rather it exhorts believers to focus their mind on how they can "be rich towards God", meaning, rich in spiritual things, spiritual gifts, rich in good works, rich in faith, rich in activities that will gather to them great rewards in heaven.

Not that prosperity should not be taught in the church, but all emphasis(like we have in some new-generation churches today) should not be placed on prosperity. The Bible says, "seek ye first the kingdom of God, and His righteousness, "

Are Christians meant to be poor?  
NO.

Did Jesus and the Disciples led by example in being super poor or super rich?  
Jesus wasnt poor. That he said "the Son of Man doesnt have somewhere to lay his head" didnt mean He was walking the streets. Jesus maintained a balance. Note: the Israel of his days were expecting a Messiah that would come with chariots, horses, etc, who would be the ultimate human being, but contrary to their expectation, the King of Kings came in a manger, lowly and humble, and He truly potrayed the lifestyle of a child of God.

Should properity be taught in our churches in the first place?   YES, because it is part of Gods plan for man.

Does money make you a better or worse christian?  
Both. Money can make one a good Christian, and Money can make one a very bad Christian. It depends on how such a Christian values Money. The right attitude a believer should potray should be that one, me/you are stewards of whatever God has given us, and we should be responsible to use them wisely.

Would you rather be rich or poor?  
I would rather want to have just enough.

How does God make people rich if He wants to?
It doesnt take him a day. Joseph is a prime example of how God can lift one out of grass into Grace. Nebuchadnezzar is an example of going from Grace to grass. The dividing line: man determines it. But the truth is: when your time comes, no man can stop God from working out his plan.

@Mr. Filch

how can I be supporting the action of these criminals? Im saying we should look at the situation from a balanced perspective.

If you are always finding ants in your shoes, then maybe go check if you've got some sugar grains in there. There is no curse without a cause. Get the "cause" sorted out and all the "curse" is gone,

get it?