Walked headless and continued preaching for 9 frigging kms🤡. Always ludicrous stories without verifiable sources, well if you believe in a talking snake and donkey this is one small step on the road named delusion😅.

Understandable but there's a good no of reasons why this is bs.

Kukutenla:

Adeboye was right. There is no way you can satisfy everybody. If Christians agree on everything you'll say they are brainwashed and gullible
More they are questioning things and you call them a joke
You are confused bro

Firstly i said your whole religion's a joke, text and followers alike, made no distinction. Also, isn't it said god's not an author of confusion, that's ironic as fvck. Secondly it seems the kool aid your religion feeds you has corroded and grinded to a halt the gears in your brain, stopping you from reasoning properly.

Cause to come up with such a made up non existent strawman, all in a bid to substantiate a m0ronic claim you concocted in your head, is the specialty of religious kool aid drinkers. Please indulge me and show me any reputable field or idea where objectivity has ever been ridiculed, and I'm the one confused lol. Its not too late to save your last functioning brain cells man. Damn!

Christianity would always remain an unfunny joke. Supposed divine messages that lack objectivity, so much so that no 2 christains wholistically agree on their texts, yet make claims about its univocality. Tbf its actually funny, so maybe a funny joke.

StillDtruth:


I know you are a mad person and you will insalt me because i make you show the world how very foolish you atheists are but i will address any seemingly reasonable thing i see you saying.

No equation is ever complete. They all stop where the maker of it chooses to stop it. And that is why we have short equations and long equations.

And whether short or long, mathematicians solved them.

This illiterate sef, it's spelt 'insult'. Don't let being mentally handicapped hold you back ehn, take baby steps, one day you may get sense.

The thing is how can you give an answer to an equation that's not complete. We only have one side of the equation which is what comes before death. Given the knowledge of this part of the equation, we could attempt to paint a picture through the context of our individual lives but imo, it'll not be complete without the other side of the equation which is what comes after.

So imo it's neither as we don't know the whole equation. Which reminds me about a doc i was seeing, some birds, burrow owls(they're endangered) to be precise where in a box about to be introduced into the wild, they looked really scared cause they didn't know what was coming next. One by one the human removed an owl at a time, there were abt 20 of em. Each one retreating back not wanting to be the next one picked up. That stuff made me think in the direction of this question.

StillDtruth:


Says the illiterate universal Fool having nothing but insalts to say.

You're obviously describing your saggy titted mother who wholesomely passed the retardation genes unto you. 'Insalt' 🤣 As dumb as he speaks.

StillDtruth:


When a Fool is answered and he sees he is a fool, we all know that the fool will resort to insalts and abuses.

😅 Not only 'insalt', what about inpepper and inonion? Calling you a grade A m0ron is a compliment.

KnownUnknown:


Lol, he said ‘calm down” as if the comment was a display of emotion and not detached indifference to his nonsense.

Lol! He first of all tried to appeal to your emotions, when that didn't work he went for reverse psychology, so funny and shallow. All to hide the bs he's spouting behind a crumbling facade.

StillDtruth:


Deuteronomy 20 is The Law of Just War, every reasonable person knows that but of course devils like you would rather have a people defenceless but that they should lie down and be inslaved, raped and plundered where you would still say tha how can God do nothing and yet His people are being killed and inslaved.

So, this is a case of if God did nothing, you would abuse Him and now He did something and inpowered His people to destroy enemies and yet again you devils still speak rubbish.

So, clearly its better His people keep pounding enemies like they are doing to palestine Hamas, till God Comes to finish this world, while you make stupid noises till your own destruction comes.

Resident m.oron. Are u done suckling on you mother's saggy tits?! So daft not to even realise the silent treatment, spelling u a fool.

SIRTee15:



Yapping yapping yapping.
Tell me what God the bible said about the type of slavery the op is talking about- enforced slavery.

Did God approve of kidnapping people and forcing them into slavery.
Would God have approved of the trans Atlantic slave trade and the trans Sahara slave trade. This is the one the op brought up here.

Deut 20 is what?! Petting them as kings abi😃 All the people they destroyed their cities and took them hostage are what?! On the side how did they ever find out which women were virgins to take for spoils, if not through sexual assault, not even considering the rape. Abegi

SIRTee15:
Since adeniyi65 and his advocate Lucifyre failed to answer my question, I will provide the answer.
Where did the abolitionist receive the inspiration to end slavery- THE BIBLE

The bible makes it clear SLAVE TRADE is evil and rightfully condemned it.


APOSTLE PAUL BANNED SLAVE TRADERS FROM THE CHURCH.

1 Timothy 1
9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine

THE BOOK OF REVELATION REVEALS SLAVE TRADERS ARE BOUND FOR HELL.
Revelation 18
When the kings of the earth who committed adultery with her and shared her luxury see the smoke of her burning, they will weep and mourn over her. 10 Terrified at her torment, they will stand far off and cry:

“‘Woe! Woe to you, great city,
you mighty city of Babylon!
In one hour your doom has come!’

11 “The merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her because no one buys their cargoes anymore— 12 cargoes of gold, silver, precious stones and pearls; fine linen, purple, silk and scarlet cloth; every sort of citron wood, and articles of every kind made of ivory, costly wood, bronze, iron and marble; 13 cargoes of cinnamon and spice, of incense, myrrh and frankincense, of wine and olive oil, of fine flour and wheat; cattle and sheep; horses and carriages; and human beings sold as slaves.

GOD INSTRUCTED TO PUT DEATH ANY SLAVE KIDNAPPER OR WHOEVER FORCEFULLY ENSLAVE SOMEONE.
Exodus 21
16 “Anyone who kidnaps someone is to be put to death, whether the victim has been sold or is still in the kidnapper’s possession.

From the above its pretty clear the whole atlantic slave trade and the transaharan slave trade was evil IN THE EYES OF GOD and all those who partook in it are bound for hell.
100% of slaves taken out of Africa were kidnapped, forcefully enslaved, beaten to submission and traded in open market as cargoes.

BIBLE CONDEMNED IT AND MAKES IT CLEAR ABOVE IS NOT A CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE. THE ABOLITIONIST WERE THUS RIGHT TO USE THE BIBLE TO JUSTIFY THE END TO SLAVE TRADE.

adeniyi and Lucifyre, this is the answer u fail to provide.

Now that we know enforced slavery is wrong, what about voluntary slavery- people who choose to be slaves. This is where the issue of bondservant comes in. I will explain later, time to go to work.

What's the definition of condemned in your dictionary. Cause these are certainly not condemnations but outright endorsements.


1 Peter 2:18
Slaves should remain submissive, with every fear, to masters, not only those who are good and gentle, but also to those who are crooked.

1 Timothy 6:1 6
All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God’s name and our teaching may not be slandered.

1 Corinthians 7:21
Were you a slave when you were called? Don’t let it trouble you—although if you can gain your freedom, do so.

Colossians 3:22
Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord.

Exodus 21:20-21
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.

Ephesians 6:5 NLT
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.

1 Timothy 6:1-2
Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.

Leviticus>44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, **and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

Exodus 21 v 7-11
And if a man sells his daughter to be a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. If she does not please her master, who has betrothed her to himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, since he has dealt deceitfully with her. And if he has betrothed her to his son, he shall deal with her according to the custom of daughters. If he takes another wife, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, and her marriage rights. And if he does not do these three for her, then she shall go out free, without paying money.

There's many more in Exodus, Deut and Leviticus, anf in Deut it clearly states how the Isrealites are not to be treated as slaves like the foreigners, so wth. This is npt even considering other babrbaric incidents, as well as plain hypocrisy and contradictions.

Didn't even see Jaephoenix had already done justice, all those are what?! Condemnations indeed 😅. All these ignorant theists sef, read your frigging bible.

KnownUnknown:


Christians and Jews (inherently duplicitous) are so delusional. They can see all the atrocities in Islam and can open their mouths to criticize people like Boko Haram; BUT, the bloodthirst and madness in their religion are glossed over and excused.
They will rightly criticize Boko Haram, but when the same behavior is pointed out in their scriptures, they twist themselves into pretzels trying to justify the same behavior.

If one isn’t delusional and read some of those so called scriptures, one would realize that the Hebrew god is a repulsive creature created by greedy people, Moses would be called a terrorist, and Jesus would not be viewed as nothing more than a cult leading charlatan.

Apt as fvck, extremely delusional and as well confidently ignorant.😅 Pot criticizing kettle.

SIRTee15:


U better go back n read my post. If U have comprehension issues, that's your business.

You mean the typo riddled dross below😅. Not my fault you can't write properly or know the difference between is and if.🤷🏾

adeniyi65:

Note: your argument knows NO direction again as you have refused to accept that you have been hit hard. Where in the Bible verses did God against slavery as clear as he did on other mere sins? You kept running around no answer.

Good. I'm glad the conversation is open for public review. The conversations are there for all eye to see. And the unaware believers' mind shall be knock with truth. And it will be left to them to reflect or remain intelligent slaves. We have both done our part for humanity.

You've boxed him into a corner and he's got no answer so he's strawmanning and tangenting hard away from the question, see how he swerved same question i asked. Dude is apologetic to slavery as is his bible, see his disgusting response about slaves unable to think for themselves. Was hoping the numerous typos made me misunderstand, but nope.

SIRTee15:


We are both saying the same thing.
Yank off the pages of the bible u don't like and push an agenda with the rest.
Is that not what adeniyi was trying to do here until he started convulsing on the 2 questions I asked him and couldn't go any further.
He came here and started yarping bible condone slavery conveniently ignoring passages that clearly condemns it including a whole book in the bible dedicated to emancipation of slaves.

Dishonest people abound on both sides of every argument.

I think slaves are not worth to decide for themselves is slavery is wrong or not is they read the whole bible so some people have to decide for them.

Its ok. What part of the bible clearly condemns slavery, cause as far as i know there's none like what you have with murder, theft, idolatry etc. As for your last paragraph, i can't comprehend what you're saying and i hope what i did understand was wrong.

SIRTee15:


I agree with U 100%.
What the slave masters did definitely wasn't Christianity. It was religious fraud.

No Christian will mutilate the bible and them preach from a bible that has only half it's pages intact.
No true Christian will yank off half of the bible pages and then preach from the remaining half.

Slaves masters were not Christians. QED.

Ah yes, the always deferred to "no true scottsman fallacy"

SIRTee15:


By giving them a different bible right?
A bible that omitted more than half of the bible pages.
That doesn't look like Christianity to me, that's religious fraud.

One, its not like there's any objective bible recognised univocally by those who read it, different religions and different denominations have different varied accepted texts even though a lot of the texts are mutual between religions and denominations.

Two, i don't know if i'll call it fraud but yes you could say its fraud but if they didn't do it how accepting of the bible would the slaves be if they could read that the book says they could be beaten to within an inch of their life as long as they don't die, considering the inhumane trauma they were already passing through, so they found a way to make them accept it i guess.

adeniyi65:



Abolitionism in its simplest meaning means stopping something. But the general use of abolitionism can be cite towards Western slavery. no qualm. For clarification sake I would agree with you on some case for later comparison. the reason why the westerners gave different Bible to slaves? The Bible given to them is a sensored Bible that is meant to keep them in continual slavery. Many part of OT were filtered away leaving most of the NT part that instructs slaves to be submissive to their masters. https://www.history.com/news/slave-bible-redacted-old-testament


It's clear that NT has verses that supports equality of all human irrespective of race or color in the front of God(what your claimed abolitionists cited), but does that erase the verses that hold tight to slavery? And it's still the same Bible which instructs slaves to remain submissive.


The trait of Christians from the earliest time to the present day can be liked to a system, a system of filtering bible reference to suit their ambition. What would now happen to the part they left if other same believers of yours pick it?



Now to accept your verdict for sake of later clarification. Let us accept that Western abolitionists were influenced by Bible. What influenced those that distanced themselves from slavery in Africa or other part of Africa? as I await the answer, I will clarify something here again. Settlements that knew nothing about Christianity or Islam distanced themselves from slavery because their reasoning is against it. Their own have nothing to do with abolitionism. So I haven't deviate from the topic. Is it also Bible that stop people who distanced themselves from slavery? No! People used their reasoning to distance themselves from slavery.


Note: I wouldn't entirely disqualify your claim that Arab world is forced to abandon slavery.



You can also check the link below to know that Bible supported slavery clearly. The blog post is written by a Christian who is open to dialogue. https://michaelpahl.com/2017/01/27/the-bible-is-clear-god-endorses-slavery/



A big question here for you. Bible openly preach against adultery, idolatry, backbiting and many others. Why did Bible refused to do same on slavery?

Well said, case in point 👇🏾

NiceLegs:
Most people coming here to condemn men wearing makeup have brothers and boyfriends who put on Earrings, wear Necklaces, Plait their hairs and have several Tattoos on their bodies.

Its typical of moronic nigerians with senile brains. Anyone who dares to live a life different from their myopic world view is castigated, while been some of the biggest hypocrites alive. They leave important things like how to fix their shithole of a country and focus on irrelevant nonsense that adds no value, then bark like rabid dogs when u hold a mirror to their face. Saw some barking at a lady on a diff thread simply because she said she doesn't want children. Something that affects them no how. Make it make sense. As long as the person causes no harm to others they can do whatever the fvck they want.

AntiChristian:


Yeah! Stop comparing your life.

Doesn't change the quran been a dumber and dafter repackaged version of the bible. Which is funny as you often ridicule and point out inconsistencies in the bible when its just 2 sides of the same dirty coin, with the quran been nastier and dirtier. Delusional man pointing out others for having a diffrent kind of delusion, isn't that ironic and funny. Go sit down in a corner joor.

AntiChristian:
Prologue
Sometimes I wonder why God in the Bible approved things he does not want to happen! Abraham sleep with Hagar, his wife's slave and God (not Satan) gave them Ishmael. Later God gave Sarah Isaac. Then God sent Hagar and Ishmael away making Isaac the promised Child! (It was different with Jacob who slept with two slaves of Leah and Rachel.)

This shows that the son of a slave is lesser in worth than the son a freeborn in God's eye! There was no sin on the part of Hagar or Ishmael.
And why does God approve the fertilization if He would later reject the kid? Why was Abraham's case different from Jacob's?

Slavery in the Bible

1. The following passage shows that slaves are clearly property to be bought and sold like livestock.
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

2. The following passage describes how the Hebrew slaves are to be treated.
If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.’ If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

Notice how they can get a male Hebrew slave to become a permanent slave by keeping his wife and children hostage until he says he wants to become a permanent slave. What kind of family values are these?

3. The following passage describes the sickening practice of sex slavery. How can anyone think it is moral to sell your own daughter as a sex slave?
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

So these are the Bible family values! A man can buy as many sex slaves as he wants as long as he feeds them, clothes them, and has sex with them!
4. What does the Bible say about beating slaves? It says you can beat both male and female slaves with a rod so hard that as long as they don’t die right away you are cleared of any wrong doing
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

5. You would think that Jesus would inspire Paul and the New Testament to have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

6. Advise for Christian slaves
Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

7. Finally Jesus's ending notes
The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. “But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given.” (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

Because its myth and fiction mixed with a dose of reality of the times they were written in, same as the useless quran.

StillDtruth:


Only a mad person is not angry when stupid people talk.

Meaning those around you would develop anger disorder🤣

MaxInDHouse:

Ọmọ keep on waiting for proof billions out there are still investigating and some have found GOD!

Which god or should i say gods😄. Last i checked there are at least 10,000 of em, some polytheistic others henotheistic and of course monotheists. Even those serving the same god don't agree, what an amazing investigation. Just a bunch of jokers participating in the god delusion. Oga rest u've got nothing save for empty noise.

MaxInDHouse:


To you any gathering of worshipers singing, dancing, shouting, praying and worshiping in Jesus name are Christians shey?

Well i don pass your level because na so me self dey think before my investigation so chill my guy you don't know what it means to be a Christian!

🥱 More noise, still no proof in sight.

MaxInDHouse:


No investigation! Psalms 10:4

You just conclude that all religionists claiming Christian are Christians when you are too lazy to INVESTIGATE, yet you want intelligent peoples to take you seriously.

Go and figure out what Christians mean first before coming to argue on what totally eludes your perception!

Ah yes! Now we move onto the always amusing bs "no true scottsman" fallacy. So many subjective claims and tangents, so little proof or common sense. Of course you just happen to know the true xtains, the rest are doing it wrong. According to the other 43,ooo they are right, the rest are doing it wrong, everyone's subjective conclusion is right the rest are wrong and are going to burn for picking the wrong version. You then mention intelligence near this absolute clownfest, irony of ironies 😂.

Wait! let me guess, I'm supposed to use your own version of the book of contradictions to find the true christains. And these true christains just happen to have a similar m.o to literal cults and somehow happen to shield rapists, child abusers and other sexual deviants, right?! Those are the true christains, right?! Lol! You've got no single shred proof and you know it, hence the numerous empty claims and tangents. Where are we tangenting to now after no true scottsman? What claim devoid of evidence is next😁

MaxInDHouse:


Good question!

This is what the Bible says:

In the final part of the days, The mountain of the house of Jehovah Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, And it will be raised up above the hills, And to it all the nations will stream. And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, To the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, And we will walk in his paths.” For law will go out of Zion, And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore. Isaiah 2:2-4 compare to Micah 4:1-3

With the above prophecy a global family of peace loving worshipers has emerged in our day a proof that the Bible God is alive as His words comes true.
Today out of all the religions claiming they know God on planet earth one organization has successfully stopped all it's members from thinking about fighting and killing their neighbors but always going to visit them and pleading for global peace.

With that the Bible God has been vindicated!

Lots of empty dross dressed as words, still no proof. At least we've moved passed using half baked analogies😁. Now we've moved to mumbo jumbo from a book that contradicts itself at every turn, while still failing to provide proof for any claim. I don't care for your book of contradictions or whatever it says, when you guys who read it can't come to any objective conclusion and would never ergo remaining a joke. A⁺ for circular reasoning though. Your book of contradictions is the claim, not the proof, something you xtains can't get into your heads for some funny reason.

MaxInDHouse:


All what you want is for God to appear to you in person but that's not the result intelligent people are seeking.

People often do autopsy on the carcass of the dead to ASCERTAIN what happened when nobody is there to see and through the autopsy they are able to know exactly what happened.

So if you're not ready for thorough investigation apart from insisting on seeing God it's OK others are still on the investigation!

Meanwhile you've not spoken about the God you believe or worship!

The irony of mentioning intelligence in the same sentence as religion 😄. Would knowing the god i believe in make you stop spouting half baked analogies or bring you any closer to empirical proof of your narcissist of a god?! All these nairaland kids in adult bodies pretending to be grown up men, imagine digging into my profile for ammo lol, age is truly just a number. For your half baked analogy, you forget empirical proof is required during the autopsy to establish objective circumstances of death or you didn't reason that far. With your 40,000 plus and counting denominations, where's the objective conclusion after all the investigations? You guys and your unfunny joke.

MaxInDHouse:


You never made any investigation nah so leave matter for Matthias!

You who made all the investigations and still turned up empty without a single shred of proof. An unfunny joke.

richmond500:
I'm tired of the questions.
To be frank with u, I am Atheist, I really do not believe or care about the qualities of God tbh.
The only thing I could afford to discuss is someone telling me God exists, as for what I think a God should be... Omo I do not care

Asking theist's to make their point without asking obtuse leading questions and making use of analogies that don't follow, is like compelling 2 to be an odd number, Virtually impossible. They'd be like deers in front of a headlight moping instead of moving.

Aemmyjah:



Do you actually believe the violinist exists or you're repeating the words of a disgruntled audience?

What does my agreeing with Dawkins on a particular subject matter have to do with if Dawkins exists?! Funny.

MaxInDHouse:


Good!

So you have nothing to do with this case about speaking for God it's still a fresh case in many places and minds of billions around you!

Wouldn't change the fact that even if they investigate from now till another 5000 yrs they'll never come up with objective and empirical proof. Subjective conclusions and anecdotes without substance nor based on reality would forever be the outcome, dividing the so called investigators even those who offshoot from the same branch across numerous lines. Nonsensical chaos that's fun to watch, as it was from the very onset.