missdebs:
bro stop wasting ur time and mb

wetin concern you with my time and mb

1. Why do we exist? 2. Why do we matter and why is human life precious? 3. How do we account for conscience? 4. Are atheists really really sure there is no God ? 5. Where did the genetic code come from? 6. How did the DNA and Amino acid arise? 7. Any strong evidence to prove there is no conscious existence after death? 8. How do we know the supernatural does not exist. Any strong scientific evidence? 9. Evolution (why did monkeys suddenly stop evolving into Human?). 10. Do atheists really have a common ancestor with MONKEYS 11. What is responsible for so much evil we have in the world today? 12. Has any atheists seen the mind? If not, is there any strong scientific evidence to show us how the mind really looks like?

Rilwayne001:


Lol. You gat jokes.

I ain't gat no time for childish arguement.

So, therefore, www.nairaland.com/attachments/2558698_nunsaysswerve_jpeg42425bd1f8ea44a04f6b6babd0dae7e5

Are you talking to me? Ain't seeing nothing.

promisechild:
I was triggered to open this thread owing to the other thread questioning the validity of the Creation story and I think I have the best answer to that.


The creation story could be found in the Pentateuch i.e that is the first five books of the Old Testament precisely the book of Genesis.
Traditionally Moses was perceived to be the author of the Pentateuch but this view was later on doubted by the critical scholars due to the style of writing of these five book claimed to be written by moses. If Moses is indeed the author of the Pentateuch why there exist doublet, inconsistencies, anachronism, and contradiction of laws in these text? let take for instance the story of Abraham who told his wife Sarah to lie that she was his sister was repeated in different context in the bible see ( Gen 12:11-20 and Gen 20:1-18) and this same story was repeated on Isaac and Rebekah as the central characters in ( Gen 26:6-11) in reference to the name of God in the Old Testament According to Exod. 3:13-15 and According Exod. 6:2-3, the personal name of God,"Yahweh," was revealed for
the first time to Moses on the
holy mountain. Prior to this
revelation, Yahweh was known
only as "Elohim," or as "El
Shaddai." On the other hand,
however, Gen. 4:26 indicates that
from very early times men called
upon God by his personal name
of Yahweh, and in numerous
places the patriarchs use the
name Yahweh (see Gen. 22:14,
26:25, 27:20, 28:13). Would a
single author make statements so
contradictory? In fact, the very
manner in which divine names
are used prior to the revelation of
Yahweh's name in Exodus raises
problems. In certain sections of
Genesis "Elohim" appears
exclusively (Gen. 1:1-31,
9:1-11) ; in other places
"Yahweh" appears alone (Gen.
4:1-16, 11:1-9). It would appear
that different traditions have been
brought together



Focusing on the Creation story of the bible categorically the two contradictory creation
accounts.
The Book of Genesis begins with two contradictory
creation accounts (1:1-2:3 and 2:4-3:24). In the
first, God created humans (male and female) after
he finishes making all of the other animals. In the
second, God made one man (“Adam”) and then
created all of the animals in order to find a
helpmeet for Adam. God brought all of the animals
to Adam, but none of them appealed to him. So
God made a woman from one of Adam’s ribs to
serve his helpmeet.


Here are two of the more obvious contradictions
between the two creation accounts.

In the first creation story, humans are
created after the other animals.
And God made the beast of the earth after his kind,
and cattle after their kind, and every thing that
creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God
saw that it was good. And God said, Let us make
man in our image, after our likeness: and let them
have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over
the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all
the earth, and over every creeping thing that
creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in
his own image, in the image of God created he
him; male and female created he them. Genesis
1:25-27

In the second story, humans were created
before the other animals.
And the LORD God said, It is not good that the
man should be alone; I will make him an help
meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God
formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of
the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what
he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called
every living creature, that was the name thereof.
Genesis 2:18-19
In the first creation story, the first man and
woman were created simultaneously.
So God created man in his own image, in the
image of God created he him; male and female
created he them. Genesis 1:25-27
In the second account, the man was created
first, then the animals, then the woman from
the man's rib.
And the LORD God said, It is not good that the
man should be alone; I will make him an help
meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God
formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of
the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what
he would call them.... And the LORD God caused a
deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he
took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh
instead thereof; And the rib, which the LORD God
had taken from man, made he a woman, and
brought her unto the man. (Genesis 2:18-22)




Based on all these facts I then decided to embark on a research on the creation stories of most religion of the world and hence, found out that these creation stories were similar because the events or characters never existed, the stories were just folktales which were being transported from one generation to another by words of mouth which later assumed the form of a text.

Babu sense

johnydon22:
The first ideal question is;
Why does a perfect god that is allegedly loving and kind still require his followers to go through the suffering routine of mutilating themselves and inflicting suffering on themselves by starving themselves?

Can a man that doesn't have a spirit understand why people fast? A blind Man cannot appreciate a good painting and a deaf Man can never appreciate a good music.

johnydon22:
The first ideal question is;
Why does a perfect god that is allegedly loving and kind still require his followers to go through the suffering routine of mutilating themselves and inflicting suffering on themselves by starving themselves?

Can a man that doesn't have a spirit understand why people fast? A blind Man cannot appreciate a good painting and a deaf Man can never appreciate a good Music.

Rilwayne001:


LOL.

What a childish thread. Your life indeed is a bit ch

His life is not a bit ch jooor... How can you eat 3 fufu with 2 sachet of pure water very early in the morning and semo in the evening the same day and you call that fasting. LOL

Rilwayne001:


LOL.

What a childish thread. Your life indeed is a bit ch

His life is not a bitch jooor... How can you eat 3 wraps of fufu with 2 sachet of pure water very early in the morning and semo in the evening the same day and you call that fasting.LOL

Rilwayne001:


LOL.

What a childish thread. Your life indeed is a bit ch

His life is not a bitch jooor... How can you eat 3 fufu with 2 sachet of pure water very early in the morning and semo in the evening the same day and you call that fasting.

jcross19:
when you read bible don't read bible with a bias mind be open to truth then truth will visit you: answer to your question ma: after thorough research on my own , I discovered that God is more bigger than his creation and he has of creating things with the level of his power HE may end up create power like HIM but HE has to reduced HIMSELF to SON so that HE can accomplish HIS mission of creation. So in son, HE made all things. Now son is in father but started active when the creation came to existent, still God want to be with his image has to reduced the son to Holy spirit so that HE can reach out to us. Father=son=holy spirit. Then mathematical all are thesame

. Rubbish!!!

MizJanet:


Kindly visit this thread and explain this

https://www.nairaland.com/2396448/bunch-confusion-christianity

you don't believe in Jesus and you want him to explain a book you don't believe in. Keep deceiving yourself, ''your eye go soon clear"

Christians believe they will go to Heaven, Muslims believe in paradise, but atheists Or don't they believe in death.

OlaoChi:

So you admit that the bible is full of faults?

If you wan see error, ye shall see and if you wan get understanding, ye shall get understanding. Chikena!

1 Corinthians 2:14 ►
New International Version
The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

Verse 14. - The natural man. The Greek word is ψυχικὸς (psychical); literally, soulish, i.e. the man who lives the mere life of his lower understanding, the unspiritual, sensuous, and egoistic man. He may be superior to the fleshly, sensual, or carnal man, who lives only the life of the body (σωματικὸς); but is far below the spiritual man (πνευματικός). St. Paul (1 Thessalonians 5:23) recognizes the tripartite nature of man - body, soul, spirit. Receiveth not; i.e. "does not choose to accept." He judges them by the foregone conclusions of his own prejudice. Because they are spiritually judged. The organ for the recognition of such truths - namely, the spirit - has become paralyzed or fallen into atrophy, from neglect; therefore the egoist and the sensualist have lost the faculty whereby alone spiritual truth is discernible. It becomes to them what painting is to the blind, or music to the deaf. This elementary truth is again and again insisted on in Scripture, and ignored by sceptics (Romans 8:6, 7; John 3:3; John 6:44, 45; John 14:17; 2 Corinthians 4:3-6). This verse is sometimes used to depreciate knowledge, reason, and intellect.

kinggenesis:
What was the color of the robe placed on Jesus during his trial?

MAT 27:28 scarlet

JOH 19:2 purple

Reason deep before answering.

To Tunde this is scarlet, and to Wale oh.. this is definitely purple. What do you think?? With time, a faded scarlet begins to look like purple and. I'm very sure the robe is not a New one. Matthew saw scarlet and John saw purple and they recorded it the way they saw it. And lastly you forgot to mention Mark 15:17, he also saw it as purple.

@Malvisguy212 I urge to simply ignore this guy. One cannot comment on their thread if one is not a muslim but they come here to cause trouble. This clearly shows that they are scared.

kinggenesis:
How many children did Michal, the daughter of Saul, have?

2 SA 6:23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.

2SA 21:8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite.

Is this not a contradiction?

2Sa 6:23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death. 

2Sa 21:8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite.
As is pointed out below ""Had no child unto the day of her death" may mean simply "had no child henceforward." Here is the sequence of events:

1Sa 25:44 But Saul had given Michal his daughter, David's wife, to Phalti the son of Laish, which was of Gallim.
This is 1 Samuel, which ends with the death of King Saul after giving David's wife, Michal, to another man.

Several years later, in 2 Samuel, we are told David demanded his wife back, but this was after running from Saul for several years and then finally being established as the king.

2Sa 3:12 And Abner [King Saul's captain of the host] sent messengers to David on his behalf, saying, Whose is the land? saying also, Make thy league with me, and, behold, my hand shall be with thee, to bring about all Israel unto thee.
2Sa 3:13 And he said, Well; I will make a league with thee: but one thing I require of thee, that is, Thou shalt not see my face, except thou first bring Michal Saul's daughter, when thou comest to see my face.
2Sa 3:14 And David sent messengers to Ishbosheth Saul's son, saying, Deliver me my wife Michal, which I espoused to me for an hundred foreskins of the Philistines.
2Sa 3:15 And Ishbosheth sent, and took her from her husband, even from Phaltiel the son of Laish.
After being established as the king of all of Israel, David sends to Shiloh, and after making some very serious mistakes in the handling of the ark of God, He finally brings the ark into Jerusalem. It is at this joyous time that King David dances before the ark, and Michal despises her husband and accuses him of exposing himself to the women of Jerusalem. It is at this point that we read:

2Sa 6:14 And David danced before the LORD with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod.
2Sa 6:15 So David and all the house of Israel brought up the ark of the LORD with shouting, and with the sound of the trumpet.
2Sa 6:16 And as the ark of the LORD came into the city of David, Michal Saul's daughter looked through a window, and saw king David leaping and dancing before the LORD; and she despised him in her heart.
2Sa 6:17 And they brought in the ark of the LORD, and set it in his place, in the midst of the tabernacle that David had pitched for it: and David offered burnt offerings and peace offerings before the LORD.
2Sa 6:18 And as soon as David had made an end of offering burnt offerings and peace offerings, he blessed the people in the name of the LORD of hosts.
2Sa 6:19 And he dealt among all the people, even among the whole multitude of Israel, as well to the women as men, to every one a cake of bread, and a good piece of flesh, and a flagon of wine. So all the people departed every one to his house.
2Sa 6:20 Then David returned to bless his household. And Michal the daughter of Saul came out to meet David, and said, How glorious was the king of Israel to day, who uncovered himself to day in the eyes of the handmaids of his servants, as one of the vain fellows shamelessly uncovereth himself!
2Sa 6:21 And David said unto Michal, It was before the LORD, which chose me before thy father, and before all his house, to appoint me ruler over the people of the LORD, over Israel: therefore will I play before the LORD.
2Sa 6:22 And I will yet be more vile than thus, and will be base in mine own sight: and of the maidservants which thou hast spoken of, of them shall I be had in honour.
2Sa 6:23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.
It is much later that we encounter this story where Michal is said to have "brought up five sons" of her older sister Merab. It is these five sons of Merab, who Michal had "brought up", who are delivered to the Gibeonites to be hanged. It is obvious that "Adriel, the son of Barzillai" had five sons by Merab, who had apparently died before King David demanded to have Michal back. These were not Michal's sons at all but were the sons of her sister who she "had brought up for Adreil the son of Barzallai the Meholathite [Michal's brother in law].

These children were all born while David was hiding from King Saul.

"...and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite:"

We know this to be the case because of these verses which tell us of how popular David was with all Israel after he killed Goliath. But they also tell us that King Saul's daughter Merab, was promised to David, before she was given to Adriel, by whom the five sons in question were born.

1Sa 18:16 But all Israel and Judah loved David, because he went out and came in before them.
1Sa 18:17 And Saul said to David, Behold my elder daughter Merab, her will I give thee to wife: only be thou valiant for me, and fight the LORD'S battles. For Saul said, Let not mine hand be upon him, but let the hand of the Philistines be upon him.
1Sa 18:18 And David said unto Saul, Who am I? and what is my life, or my father's family in Israel, that I should be son in law to the king?
1Sa 18:19 But it came to pass at the time when Merab Saul's daughter should have been given to David, that she was given unto Adriel the Meholathite to wife.
1Sa 18:20 And Michal Saul's daughter loved David: and they told Saul, and the thing pleased him.
1Sa 18:21 And Saul said, I will give him her, that she may be a snare to him, and that the hand of the Philistines may be against him. Wherefore Saul said to David, Thou shalt this day be my son in law in the one of the twain.
So the statement that "Michal had no children" is obviously to be understood as being children of her own, not the children of her sister and brother in law who we are told Michal had "brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite:" her brother in law, whose wife, Michal's sister, Merab, had apparently died.

There are several scriptures just like this one which are always resolved when it is realized that there are many facts surrounding the alleged discrepancy, which must be made known in order to see what is the Truth. But there are time when the Hebrew letters involved are so similar that a sleight scribal error can completely change the name or object under consideration.

Here is what 'Alleged Discrepancies of The Bible' has to say about these two verses:

Psa 119:160 The sum of thy word is truth; And every one of thy righteous ordinances endureth for ever.
I hope this helps you to see that Michal had been taken by her father, King Saul, and given to another man and that the children mentioned had been born to Merab and Adriel, Michal's sister and brother in law, and were called Michal's children only because she had "brought them up for Adriel" her brother in law.

Above all, I pray this all serves to demonstrate that the Word of God is always, in its sum, to be our rock, and all men are to be considered liars when they dare to, in any way, belittle or contradict the sum of God's Word.

kinggenesis:
Judas died how?

"And he (Judas) cast down the pieces of silver in the temple,
and departed, and went and hanged himself. And the chief
priests...bought with them the potter's field." (MAT 27:5)

"Now this man (Judas) purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out." (ACT 1:18)

Judas hanged himself in the potter’s field (Matthew 27:5), and then, after his body decayed and bloated, evidently the rope broke, and he burst into pieces on the land of the potter’s field (Acts 1:18-19). The Acts passage presumes Judas' hanging, as a man falling down in a field does not result in his body bursting open. Only decomposition and a fall from a height could cause a body to burst open. When Judas threw the thirty pieces of silver down, the priests took the money and used it to buy the potter’s field (Matthew 27:7), not knowing that Judas was going to hang himself there. Judas may not have purchased the field himself, but it was the money Judas received for betraying Jesus that purchased the field. The two verses are complementary.

kinggenesis:
How many stalls and horsemen?

1KI 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for
his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.

2CH 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses
and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he
bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.

1KI 4:26 ''OF HORSES''. 2CH 9:25. ''FOR HORSES''. You get Spiritual cataract nii?The two passages describe different types of stalls

1 Kings 4:26 says:
“Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen”.

2 Chronicles 9:25 says:
“Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen”.

The two verses do not contradict because they describe different types of stalls.  The stalls in 1 Kings 4:26 were "of horses" which were used for chariots and by horsemen.  Nothing in this verse says that these stalls were for the chariots.  On the other hand, the stalls in 2 Chronicles 9:25 were for "horses and chariots".  Such a stall to house both horses and chariots would not have been as numerous as stalls to house just horses because there is always a smaller ratio of chariots to horses.  In fact, 2 Chronicles 1:14 says there were 1,400 chariots.  Hence it makes sense that there would be less of these stalls that were capable of storing both horses and chariots.

Whereas 2 Chronicles 9:25 describes the purpose of the stalls (i.e. "stalls for....", 1 Kings 4:26 describes the purpose of the horses (i.e. "horses for....".  In saying that the purpose of the horses was for Solomon's "chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen" (interpreting the "twelve thousand horsemen" as part of the conjunctive list belonging with "chariots", 1 Kings 4:26 effectively links the horses to items of which we know the numbers.  If these horses were for 1,400 chariots (2 Chronicles 1:14) and 12,000 horsemen, the number of horses would have been considerably large.  Even with the conservative assumption of 2 horses per chariot and 1 horse per horseman, the number of horses needed for 1,400 chariots and 12,000 horsemen is 14,800 horses.  If there were one horse on reserve (a spare) per every horse on duty, that would already be 29,600 horses.  Hence, 40,000 stalls would have been a reasonable number to accommodate this many horses.

In conclusion, there were 40,000 stalls that were for housing horses, and 4,000 stalls that were for storing horses and chariots.  The two numbers could be harmonized if each of the 4,000 stalls with the space to house a chariot had 10 subdividing stalls for individual horses.

1 Corinthians 2:14 ►
New International Version
The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

Verse 14. - The natural man. The Greek word is ψυχικὸς (psychical); literally, soulish, i.e. the man who lives the mere life of his lower understanding, the unspiritual, sensuous, and egoistic man. He may be superior to the fleshly, sensual, or carnal man, who lives only the life of the body (σωματικὸς); but is far below the spiritual man (πνευματικός). St. Paul (1 Thessalonians 5:23) recognizes the tripartite nature of man - body, soul, spirit. Receiveth not; i.e. "does not choose to accept." He judges them by the foregone conclusions of his own prejudice. Because they are spiritually judged. The organ for the recognition of such truths - namely, the spirit - has become paralyzed or fallen into atrophy, from neglect; therefore the egoist and the sensualist have lost the faculty whereby alone spiritual truth is discernible. It becomes to them what painting is to the blind, or music to the deaf. This elementary truth is again and again insisted on in Scripture, and ignored by sceptics (Romans 8:6, 7; John 3:3; John 6:44, 45; John 14:17; 2 Corinthians 4:3-6). This verse is sometimes used to depreciate knowledge, reason, and intellect.

OLAADEGBU:
How many Gods are there, one or many?

cf. Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 43:10; 44:6, 8 and Genesis 1:26; 3:22; 11:7; 1 Cor. 8:5; I John 5:8

One God:

"Hear, O Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord is one!" (Deuteronomy 6:4).

". . .Before Me [YHWH] there was no God formed, and there will be none after Me" (Isaiah 43:10).

". . .there is no God besides Me" (Isaiah 44:6).

". . .And you are My witnesses. Is there any God besides Me, or is there any other Rock? I know of none" (Isaiah 44:8.)

Many gods:

"Then God said, 'Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness . . . .'" (Genesis 1:26).

"And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil . . . .'" (Genesis 3:22).

"Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other" (Genesis 11:7)

"For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords" )" (1 Corinthians 8:5).

"For there are three that bear witness, the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement" (1 John 5:8.)

The Holy Scriptures tell us that there is only one God in all existence (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6, 8.) However, it also mentions "other gods so, how many Gods are there, one or many?

. There are some verses in Qur'an which refer to God as a plural entity, like:

وَلَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا الْإِنسَانَ وَنَعْلَمُ مَا تُوَسْوِسُ بِهِ نَفْسُهُ ۖ وَنَحْنُ أَقْرَبُ إِلَيْهِ مِنْ حَبْلِ الْوَرِيدِ

And WE have already created man and know what his soul whispers to him, and WE are closer to him than [his] jugular vein (Surat Qāf 50:16)

1 John 5:7New King James Version (NKJV)

7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

MizJanet:


YEAH, you are seriously looking for an excape route ? You are not wise at all , if you are wise you will know the verse in quote is 1 Tim 6:14-16 , confuse churchman

Poor Pussycat!!! Grasping at straws. LOL

1 Tim 4:14-16
" the appearance of the Lord Jesus Christ ... The King of kings and the Lord of lords ... Who alone has immortality" ?? So you've been reading from MizJanet's version all this while? Kindly let me read 1 Tim 4:14-16 from our own version of the Bible. 1 Timothy 4:14-16New King James Version (NKJV)

14 Do not neglect the gift that is in you, which was given to you by prophecy with the laying on of the hands of the eldership. 15 Meditate on these things; give yourself entirely to them, that your progress may be evident to all. 16 Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine. Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you. This clearly shows that you are soooooo confuse and your case is soooooooo pathetic. The contradiction still remains in your Head and in @MizJanet's version of the Bible. Where can I get or buy @Mizjanet's version from? BUHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Lol @ bold , are you now questioning your bible ? You want to argue with Paul ?
[/quote] Lol@ MizJanet you also know greek I'm not quetioning my Bible or Paul, I'm questioning you. You have not answered my quetion. If you claim that Bible passage is talking about Jesus alone, then I DARE YOU to explain this '''' WHO ALONE HAS IMMORTALITY''''' to me and to everybody on this thread pleeeeeeeaase.

abduljabbar4:
A clear sign that Islam is not a religion of hyprocisy. What of you idi0ts who close urselves and pplan how to eradicate Islam? Useless people. What of the strippers in churches and those singers that keep on disturbing us? If not because we want peace, I would have sent those fools away

I prefer those strippers and singers to this.

MizJanet:


You really tried but the Contradiction Remains simply because you are wrong @ bold , 1timothy 6:14 makes it clear that the person in 1timothy 6:16 is Jesus NOT THE FATHER ,

I really tried? I think the contradiction remains in your head. The New testament is written in greek and not english, and that's why we have so many english traslations and that's why peopple like us read other English translations for better understanding. New international version explains it better. 1 Timothy 6:13-16New International Version (NIV)

13 In the sight of God, who gives life to everything, and of Christ Jesus, who while testifying before Pontius Pilate made the good confession, I charge you 14 to keep this command without spot or blame until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 which God will bring about in his own time—God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen. And secondly verse 16 says '' WHO ALONE HAS IMMORTALITY''. Are you telling me that only jesus alone has immortality and that the Father and the HolySpirit does not? Please kindly explain this cos you seem to know the Bible very well and I really want to learn.

The prologue of John's gospel is an important work within the New Testament, because it provides perhaps the clearest statement of Who Jesus was in spiritual terms. Essentially, John's prologue states that Jesus was God, but it also seeks to explain, to a certain extent, the nature of Jesus' existence and His role within the Godhead.

Let's start by examining the opening verses in John's Gospel:

 
John 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2  He was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3  All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
 

John uses the Greek word logos to describe Jesus "in the beginning," or before creation and time began. Logos means word, but specifically it means the spoken word or a statement. Jesus is God's spoken word, according to John.

John then explains that the Word (Jesus) was "with" God and "was" God. This statement yields two important conclusions regarding Jesus and the Trinity: Jesus is God and existed from the beginning as God, yet Jesus' existence is somehow distinct from God the Father. Jesus was "with" God and "was" God at the same time. This is the mystery of the Trinity: all three Persons in the Godhead are One God and yet all are distinct from one another.

Moving to verse 3, John says that it was the Word (Him) that created all things. From this statement, we begin to see why Jesus is called the "Word" by John. Consider these facts we learn from John's Gospel and elsewhere in Scripture:

First, we know from scripture that God the Father is Spirit (John 4:24), meaning He doesn't exist in physical form. So, there is no physical substance to God the Father. The Creation cannot experience the Father as He truly is, since we are bound to a physical dimension yet He is not physical.

Secondly, we know that God's Spirit is likewise invisible (John 3:6-. He can only be known by observing His work in the Creation.

On the other hand, Jesus is the member of the Godhead responsible for all physical matter. As John said, all things were made by and through Jesus. Paul says the same thing in Col 1:15-17. 

More over, Paul teaches in Colossians that Jesus is the "image of the invisible God." Therefore, He is the only Person in the Godhead Who has entered into and become a part of the physical creation. Jesus can be seen in a physical sense, because He is the One Who entered into the Creation and become a part of it (i.e., became incarnate).

Therefore, Jesus is the One within the Trinity Who is associated with Creation, both as its source and as an ambassador of the Godhead to that creation.

Next, consider how the Creation itself was established in Genesis 1. Genesis 1 teaches that the world was created by the spoken word of God (note the repeating phrase in Genesis 1, "Then God said...". So when God the Father determined to created the universe and everything in it, He "spoke" it into existence. But as John said in verse 3, Jesus was the One who made all things, therefore we can say that Jesus was God's logos, or spoken Word.

We can begin to understand this partnership (at least to some degree) by drawing an analogy to how our own thoughts and words reach into the physical word. When we desire to command something to happen in the world around us, we must first conceive the idea in our minds. No one can see our thoughts. They are invisible, yet they certainly exist. Without our thoughts, we could purpose to do nothing at all.

If our thoughts are to become visible in some way, they must move from the invisible realm of our mind and into the physical world. The progression from invisible to visible requires we transfer our invisible thoughts into a spoken command. The brain communicates our thoughts to our mouth where it becomes logos: spoken words.

Once the spoken word leaves our mouth, it enters the physical world and yields its intended effect. This simple analogy helps explain how God the Father worked with God the Son (i.e., the Word) to establish Creation.

This is John's meaning when he says that Jesus is the Word. He meant that Jesus is the physical manifestation of God the Father, just as a spoken word is the physical manifestation of our inner thoughts. Until Jesus took action and created the universe, there was no physical reality to God's presence. But when God "spoke" (i.e., when Jesus took action), the Creation came into existence.

Later, Jesus arrived in Person to meet with His creation, and as Jesus spoke His words to His disciples, He fulfilled the Father's purpose by providing a physical representation of the Godhead to His creation.  Hebrews says it this way:

 
Heb. 1:1  God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,
Heb. 1:2  in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
Heb. 1:3  And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power...
 

Paul reiterates this same thought in Colossians when he says:

 
Col. 1:15  He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
Col. 1:16  For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities — all things have been created through Him and for Him.
 

Jesus is the Word because He was the means through which the Father brought all physical reality into existence and because He is the One Who represents the Father's invisible nature and character to that creation. Just as your spoken word is the physical manifestation of your thoughts and personality, Jesus is the "Word" of the invisible God to His creation. @MizJanet You can actually see jesus(son)John 20:25 but no one has ever seen the father 1 Timothy 6:16

mustymatic:

LIAR...AND JESUS WILL NOT SAVE YOU
HE WASN'T EVEN SENT TO U BLACK MAN

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John 3:16King James Version (KJV)

16 For God so loved the WORLD, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

crusadistic:
according to majority of scholars,paradise is located in the seventh heaven while hell is located in the earth.
and Allah knows best.

ACCORDING TO SCHOLARS!!!!!!!!!!! This is the dumbest story I've ever heard in my life.

Empiree:
Brilliant counterclaim!!!

Brilliant counterclaim kooooo!!! Brilliant counterclaim niiiiiiii!!! GET A LIFE TOO!!!!!!!!!!

Rilwayne001:


Deu 5:24 And you said, " The LORD our God has SHOWN us HIS GLORY and his majesty, and we have heard his voice from the fire. Today we have seen that a man can live even if God speaks with him.

Don't you get it!!!! Even if they said God has shown them his glory and majesty does not mean they saw God in his EXACT FORM I.e the way God really really really really looks like or does your allah look like thundering,lighting flashes,mountain smoking Exo 20:18-19 or can't you see my definition of Glory(Exact Form). Seeing God's glory is quite different from seeing God in his glory(EXACT FORM). And secondly, Deut 5:1 clearly shows that God was specifically speaking to the children of isreal in horeb in the day of assembly and Deut 18:15 clearly shows that God said he will raise a prophet like Moses from their midst(isrealites).so the prophet like unto Moses is definitely not your false prophet Mohammed but an isrealite like them. GET A LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!