frosbel:

Neither can that of Stalinism be erased from atheism , lol.

MacDaddy01:


Crusades is a part of christianity.

frosbel:

Well I could also say that you intend to lump the crusades into the same category as Christianity, let us not go down this route , there will be no winners.

However some of the most evil and tyrannical nations to exist were founded by atheists who practised Marxism and or Leninism.

Basically , these guys did not believe in a GOD, thought they had all the answers, instead they destroyed lives and made a mockery of the human intelligence.

frosbel:


Mate , Marxism is atheism period , just another more developed brand of the same ideology and mindset.

Ihedinobi:

Have you heard any Christian claim otherwise?

Ihedinobi:

Is there anything wrong or unreasonable in seeking out the person reputed to author a document for proof that they did indeed author the document? If God is said to author the Bible, then if anyone were in question as to the truth of that, it's perfectly reasonable that they ask Him directly if He did or didn't.

buzugee: yes morality is innate. however there are people who are created with satanic spirits who are amongst us. these people are used by the lord to wreak vengeance on people. these have no innate morality.

ecclesiasticus 39 vs 28 There be spirits that are created for vengeance, which in their fury lay on sore strokes; in the time of destruction they pour out their force, and appease the wrath of him that made them.

jeffrey dahmer ? he was one of those kind of spirits. he was targeting homosexuals.

leviticus 20:13 If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

the lord is terrible PSALAMS 47 VS 2 For the LORD most high is terrible

HE HAS PEOPLE ON EARTH WITH NO MORALITY FOR VENGEANCE AND EVIL

PROVERBS 16 VS 4 The LORD has made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Pastor AIO:
so we can ask now, How much of an authority is Conscience and Why so?

Delafruita:
authoritative figure in the broad sense isnt necessarily god or a diety or a religion.it includes parents,teachers,friends,adversaries,girlfriends,etc.in that sense,everybody learns from an authoritative figure

Mr_Anony: @Delafruita et al,
There is no true Christian who will read that passage and not spot it's inappropriateness. I posted that passage here just to show you that fact. It doesn't matter when that piece was written or if indeed it was written by Mary Magdalene. One thing I know for sure is that that passage was not inspired by the Holy Spirit.

Quite alright, It is difficult to explain. It is like the way someone who is conversant with Picasso's work can intuitively spot a fake Picasso painting even if it has been signed in Picasso's name.

You see as a Christian, I know Jesus Christ personally and that guy in that passage sounds nothing like Him.

buzugee: LOL nice one chief. now we can have a merry day. scripture do say PSALMS 104 VS 15 And wine that maketh glad the heart of man

Delafruita:
first,what do you mean by authoritative figure?
second,you can never "learn" right and wrong.its a continous process that takes an entire lifetime.right and wrong differs from place to place.
for example in the yoruba culture,its rude to look an elder straight in the eye,however in other climes,its termed a sign of timidity or lack of confidence not to look an elder in the eye.
there is no broad definition for right and wrong hence there is no one size fits all approach.

buzugee: 3 SOURCES. INNATE ( FROM GOD ), PARENTING ( FROM PARENTS ), ENVIRONMENTAL ( FROM ENVIRONMENT )

Delafruita:
hinduism tells you there is the law of karma.it tells you that whatever you do will come back to you.the acceptable standard is to do to others what you can accept from them.
confuscinism tells us there are 2 groups of people.the good and the bad.it admonishes adherrents to be part of the good.
christianity tells us that we should love neighbours as ourselves.
islam encourages people to act as muhammad did with piety
all these are religious edicts and they dont prevent a person from been good or bad,they only make been good attractive with promises of paradise.however,it all still depends on the person whether he will live a moral life or not.its not about religion or atheism,in the end it all comes down to you and i.who are we?the characters a person exhibits is influenced by his birth,growth and association.sometimes religion helps but even in the absence of religion,a person will be good if he wants to.it now depends on what you define as been good or immoral.for example,in some societies,a person who smokes is immoral while in some societies,smoking is a part of life.

Ihedinobi:
No! I AM MOST CERTAINLY NOT!

cyrexx:

so what is your own standard if you fail to understand the standard of morality i just posted.

Delafruita:
oftentimes people depend on a diety or "divine being" to guide them right.their fear of punishment from their "god" keeps them on their toes.however,history is replete with tales of heroes who had no affiliation to any god or diety.

buzugee: the wickedness is part of the duality of the human spirit. depends on which part of your human spirit you choose to dwell in. if you choose to dwell in the satanic side then you will be an evil person. if you choose to dwell in the godly side then you will be a nice morally sound person. however the lines between both sides are often blurred which is why some people can be nice and yet evil at times. humans need laws and incentives and repercussions so as to dwell in their godly side and ignore their satanic side. those 3 only come from a connection to God. without that connection to God you will always vacillate between your godly and satanic side. the aim here is to get you to reside permanently in your godly spirit. only God can do that for you.

buzugee: * passes mkmyer45 the bottle of shekpe * LOL

frosbel: Atheism is by definition a no God existence, but there still resides within these ingrates that gift of conscience and awareness of right or wrong , therefore it is not unusual to see some of these creatures exhibit some flashes of goodness from time to time.

However , when a state is founded on atheist ideologies like Maoism and Stalinism, what we have is a pretty much 'lawless' society where human life is devalued and morality becomes a relative term.

Just look at Russia and the effect of decades of atheism, Vodka addiction, violence, the most horrendous kind of racism and gross intolerance for the ideas for a democratic society.


Atheists without Christ are a lost cause and of all men to be the most pitied.

Only Christ can deliver them from their almost seemingly impenetrable blindness.

This is harsh but true.

buzugee: and why not ? life is for the living * sips shekpe *

cyrexx:

i wish many more christians will be as honest as you.

Following one's conscience, avoiding harm to others and seeking others happiness will make anybody whether chritian or atheist be a truly moral person.
That is the true basis of objective morality.
Shikena

MacDaddy01:


Heroism/self-scarifice do not serve any self interest? You wouldnt protect your children with your life?


Why do these religionists come up with stupid things like this? have you read the bible? Which morality do you you to ignore the part where it says in the new testament that slaves should obey their masters or women should be kept silent in church

buzugee: definitely is not. humans only respond to violence and laws. some humans. scripture says

jeremiah 17 vs 9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it

tobechi74: Am a christian,.....we God belivers have not proven to be more moral than non God belivers.......

We kill and steal only to ask our God for forgivenes and repeat d same attrocity.

I think the basis for morality should be our conscience.....if we are about to do something,

will we feel guilty after doing the act

Will our conscience disturb us??

Most of us christians even use the bible to justify our immoral act......

Zodiac61: Why don't you just ask the question you really want to ask - Is morality possible without god?
Yes it is.
I am amazed when christians and muslims cliam that their gods are the source of morality.
Have they ever read the bible or the koran?
Antone who reads both books objectively will come to the conclusion that the gods depicted therein anre immoral characters.

Ihedinobi: For the sake of diligence in argument, I did read through all that (ugh!). It hurt...badly!
Not only did it not read at all like the rest of the Bible, it sounded positively like an attack on the rest of the Scriptures. It's the same trouble I have with Sirach, Tobit, Wisdom etc (yes, I have the "complete" Catholic Bible).

Mkmyers45, what exactly is the problem with the compilation of the Scriptures? I do not care to debate Bible history with you, however! I just wanna say that I think that anyone who set out on a research expedition will, after they have obtained all the material touching their subject of interest, separate such as are coherent from those that are absurd in their organisation of thought with respect to the subject they are researching. If you have read the Bible, I'm sure you'll find that the books and letters accepted to constitute it have a common thread of thought running through them all, while those in dispute have this really very nasty and, yes, obnoxious effect of twisting that thread of thought into a hopeless kink one can't make sense of. Ugh!

buzugee: RA the sun god

jcross19: yes you are right . soloman was a black man and son of david you can check that from the song of solomon to comfirm his identity but the issue of been an egptian king that it's foolproof am sorry . they are alots of acheological discoveries showing where he ruled and few things about him all you need is type discovery on king solomon and stop posting scrap

jereal:

yeah, a male who dresses up in women's clothing, typically for public performance...

I mean he ain't a tranny and I don't think most gay men re crossdressers... they want to be identified as men who love men (sickest thing ever)