Yepa..1 point to the gud..nt badt sha

Where is the pure vacuum please.
Can you show me an example? So please note that as
somethingness cannot emerge
from nothingness, [0 + 0 = 0] then
since there is somethingness, it
could not derive from that which
does not exist.

The conditions of a pure vaccum may never be re-attainable...Its not illogical to rubbish that such a state once existed that is why i used the word 'might'..Infact majority of the very little pre-bing bang postulations point to it..and the conditions for a pure vaccum may be overcome in the future

No: please do not be mis-educated
by psuedo scientific enthusiasts
ignorant of every canon or fibre of
science. Virstual particles DO NOT EMERGE
FROM NOTHINGNESS. The quantum
vacuums referred to are NOT
nothing as there is no perfect
vacuum ever observed and these
vacuums do contain gaseuous pressure.

Where do these particles emerge from? Thier energy levels greatly flunctuate as the initial and final energy level differ..I myself have not personally observed this phenomena its important to know that the behaviours defies physics..If you disagree, How do you explain thier pop-in/pop-out phase?

No, because by definition,
nothingness is nothing and as such
cannot exist.

What is the total absense of bieng? Remember im postulating nothing/not-bieng as an idea

Mr_Anony: this looks like the beginnings of a very funny thread....

Question:Please define nothing and give two examples.
Answer: Define what?

Define is relative to nothing i hope you know that..

dayokanu: Why are they not giving Ruddy the point for the Penalty missed

I don enter one chance. No Vermalean, No Tevez

you want free point ni?

1. Certain events spring up from nothing as we know and defy energy equations e.g Virtual Particle behaviors on Sub-Atomic Level

2. Don't we have a Duality complex when you propose Permanent Somethingness (Pure) but you reject a state of not-being that even encompasses the supernatural?

3. Isn't it logical to assume the absolute to the a synthesis of Something and Nothing to be the becoming? 4. I ask again: Can we assume that there might have been a state of affairs that was a pure vacuum?

Edit:modified

Mancini wan kill me sha

Deep Sight:

In addittion to my comments to wiegraf above, I must say to you that once the discussion is the existence of God, it is altogether insufficient to make such an argument because the question of the existence of God is about causation for the universe.

For this reason that which should be of concern would rather be [x] the question as to whether the universe is caused and [y] if caused, what caused it.

It is crucial to note that in this respect the core ontological attributes of God advanced by religions are -

[1] - - - An eternal uncaused element

[2] - - - Trancendental

[3] - - - Being

[4] - - - Purpose

As such, it is against THESE attributes that such an argument should be made: namely to say that it is wrong to advance the idea that the universe was caused by an eternal uncaused transcendental being imbued with purpose.

That would be the sensible way to address the debate, and certainly not the silly mockery of a non-starter which asks why the universe is not created by a monster consisting of processed food [pasta] and meatballs.

Such is irredeemably silly, and verily discloses the asker as nothing but a philosophical nit wit, and also, a real life nit wit.

Need you here to discuss somethings about causality: [url]nairaland.com/1055914/pure-nothingness-existence-god[/url]

ueskman: ok i am pleading with you please explain the verse for me
nd stop all dis , y nt u face d status
i try d best i cn to interprete d verse u requested for, if am wrong i stand to be corrected
Bt u av no point atall,cox wen i am interpreting i didnt deny a word frm what u stated(eveb thou i am nt an hafiz*those who memorise d whole quran*)
JUST DEFEND YOUR RELIGION HERE WITH THAT STATUS ND DATS ALL!!!

The verse means that the Christain do not need the Allah of Mohammad to make paradise as thier Lord who gave them a book will reward them..

Why cant see be treated in Nigeria?

Mr_Anony:
Lol, of course you chant your mantra and proclaim victory, nothing new there.

The question posed by me was: How do you explain the intelligent order of the universe?

Please be so nice as to answer it.

Intelligent order is the workings of nature which is constantly manifest and evolving..

Could it be? time will tell..

ueskman: GOD, PLS INTERPRETE IT FOR ME THEN ND MOREOVE RU R JST MEDITATING HERE ND THERE PLS PROOF MY "STATUS"WRONG
BUT IF U CONCUR WITH IT, DEAR BROTHER ND SISTER ITS NT TOO LATE...
ND WHY RU SO PESSIMISTIC ABT DIS POST?MEANING I M TOO YOUNG TO READ OR INTERPRETE A BIBLE CHAPTER ND VERSES
PIFFLE...!

You make no sense..I gave a verse in the Quran to explain and you are diving up and down?

By "existence" I am referring to
everything that actually exists: the
natural, the supernatural, the
ultranatural, the super-duper natural.. - without exception. If it is actualized, then it is part of existence.

There have been several
discussion threads that tries to deal with "nothingness" and the theistic argument that uses this concept to attempt to prove God's existence. Now by and large i agree with such argurments but it raises some questions: 1. What is ''nothingness''? is it the absense of just physical existence or all existence: including God and the supernatural (Pure Nothingness) 2. Did time emerged from non-time? Did non-time requires a complete absence of physical existence? 3. Can we assume that there might be a state of affairs that consists of a complete absence of all existence?

Everyone is born agnostic no?

This has to go in history as the sickest bullshit ive seen..Wasted Bandwidth

ueskman: what alost soul,
u try to interprete BAKORAH
lwkmd4h "d verse means we shld follow d word of jesus Christ"which we did, Jesus told us in Mark 12 vs 29,that d Lord our God is one nd is d one to be worship Alone(in dis quote He even stated O isrealites)
Jesus was send to only isrealites nd he said they ll b a comfoter who ll lead u to d ryt part...
SO JESUS IS MY PROPHET,BIBLE IS ONE OF MY GUIDELINES WHICH IS THE HOLY BOOK,D QURAN IS ONE OF MY GUILDLINES ALSO WHICH CONTAINS THE REAL TRUTH
ME NO DEY CRITISE XTAIN OR THERE BOOK..I LEAVE ALL JUDGEMENT TO MY CREATOR,
JUST KEEP HUMILIATING ISLAM ND I WILL KEEP CORRECTING UR WRONG DEEDS
I ALWAYS INVOLVE IN MY DAY PRAYERS(SURA1 VS 6)o God! Lead us to d rightpath.
Bennie3 d world is coming to an end...hmmm u better..
same to all xtains,anytym is never too late!

You must be joking..So i cant interpret Qu'ran but you are free to say anything you want about Bible..Nansense

Bad muslims giving islam a bad name..What a Shame!

tpia@:
joseph and mary were most likely from the same clan, or tribe, and therefore probably shared the same lineage.

so, mary's genealogy would be more or less the same as joseph's own.

Are you suggesting Incest?

OLAADEGBU:

It was a claim backed up with evidence that is congruent with what is in the holy Scriptures.

Where is the evidence?

Ibime: nolan scores. . . on me bench. . .

Dudugirl01:
So, you're a product of science?

Thats a loaded word..what do you mean?

A-40:
Michu booked! If I hear say I no sell am!

lalaboi: F u Dyer. . Prick

tobechi74:

i disagree. Atheist also hav faith. They havent seen a monkey chang to a human yet they bliv.

Guy your apparent lack of scientific knowledge is worrying..

Dudugirl01: How do you explain your existence then?

Nobody truly knows and its not a shame to admit

ueskman: i can swear with my entire generation that i never copy nor paste...dis frm my research nd frm mai real scholars....
nd moreover,i confirm it cox i do read d bible also...
u cn go on nd check on d verses
nd moreover, u r nt making refrence to d topic...sayingg piffle word that cant defend d post
WTF :| *all is well sha bt dtruth is clear*

Ok a scholar gave it to you how do you explain: Sura 2:62 "Surely those who believe, and those
who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians -- whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve"

God

ijawkid: Both of them....they chose there path....

No, they didnt

ueskman: WAO IT TOOK ME YEARS TO DISCOVER THIS VERY VERSES IN THE BIBLE...ND IT IS TALKING ABOUT "PRAYER ND FASTING"
NEHEMIAH 8 VS 5-6 TALKS ABT SOLAT(WHERE ELZA ND IS PEOPLE PRAISE D NAME OF THE LORD ND IS PPL SAID AMEEN ND THEY WORSHIP THLE LORD OUR GOD WITH THERE HEAD ON THE GROUND)...
JERUSALEM 36 VS 9 TALKS ABT RAMADAN THE MONTH OF FASTING!
THE PPL CM TOGETHER WIF THERE VISITORS ND FAST FOR THE LORD IN THE *9TH MONTH* (GOING BY ISLAMIC CALENDER, RAMADAN IS IN D9TH MONTH)
SO WHAT ELSE? THE TRUTH IS CLEAR...
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You are a big liar..you did copy and paste and here you are claiming years of research..Why are you making reference to a book that is corrupted and lost? Does that speak well of the Qu'ran? Stop trying to score cheap points..