Its a nice feeling to see science forging ahead to solve and correct human problems...

How can your house be on fire and you go around chasing rats?

Them try sha

Image123:
i recognise your insincerity and dishonesty even before this thread, but just to oblige you and perhaps help others.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse.
When Jesus wanted to explain the Kingdom of God to people, He often used things that they were used to, and that they could relate with. Hence, phrases like "the kingdom of God is like unto"


i already explained it, but you decided to fail to grasp it. Many others would pass, don't worry. The fate of the betrayer was already known, not sealed.

so it was possible that the prophecy could have failed no?

@Other Bolded: And i do yours too but no yawa

ghazzal:

Q 25:53 "It is He who has let free the two bodies of flowing water: one palatable and sweet the other salt and bitter; yet he has made a barrier between them a partition that is forbidden to be passed.
Q 25:54 " It is he who has created man from water: then he has established relationship of lineage and mariage: for thy Lord has power over all things.

There is no such barrier in science...

ghazzal: @ plaetton: i like your science. but my qustion is what is the Source? cos i understand that the first man was from soil, first woman-rib, then Sparm,Sparm,Sparm.
so what is the Grid that the energy/molecule will return to?

Stop being ignorant...your assertions are false

Zikkyy:

You are avoiding my question what's your idea of truth?



Yes, it 'just one person doing that one thing'. The issue here is whether there was an audition or screening exercise (conducted before man was created)and judas was selected as the man to do the job. To ensure the job was carried out, he was programmed to make only the pre-determined choices that would lead to him betraying Jesus. My question is this; you believe this is the truth abi? so what is the basis for arriving at such conclusion? is it what is written in the bible? or is it your interpretation of what is written? or is it based on your knowledge of physics?

Well truth is not universal so i can partly say it was written and partly my view too which is directly related to physics

Delafruita:
lol.hunger seems to be causing some serious dysfunction in my sight,occular and motor functions.

He he

Delafruita:
hmmm

You sometimes write what is appealing abi?

Delafruita:
there is no concrete basis for saying Mark was the first to be written.theologians and historians just believe that Mark was the shortest and the others were developed from Mark and embellished

I said 'it is said to' Understand me?

HumbledbYGrace: Thanx for the input

Remember that most bible books authorship problem too..Also mark is said to be the Oldest of the gospel..They are many good gospels out there but only a few were selected by some men to be in the bible.

Image123:
maybe, but note that Jesus knew, not that He made or destined him to it.

but remember that the fate of the betrayer was already sealed no? whoever it was he/she was stepping into an already written script..

Zikkyy:

Physics ke how?

I hope you know that your talking about an 'omniscient knowledge'?

Zikkyy:

What do consider as truth? Is it what is written in the bible? or your interpretation of it?

It could have been anybody no? But at the end of the day it will just be ONE person doing that one thing that could have been done by anybody yes?

Image123:
don't quite work that way. more like. a ultrasound telling or knowing what's inside a woman, since when, till when. etc The machine knows even more than the subject woman but did not cause or seal her faith. she can still have a miscarriage, a stillbirth, a premature etc. the 'omniscient' machine gave the written script but did not write it, and even that written still depends on the pregnant lass.

why are you equating a machine to god?

wiegraf: I thought the scientific method was the one that was supposed to be dogmatic?

He he

It is inferred that Mark + Another Book [Q] gave rise to the other sypnotic gospel hence even the Characters of the writers is a source of dispute..however the diffrences in account is alarming leading C. S. Lewis, for example, to reject the view "that every statement
in Scripture must be historical truth"

Truth permeated with fiction,myth and lies

tobechi20: To me ure a robot

What rubbish? what is the meaning of your comment?

Zikkyy:

You stubborn sha am begining to think you are pre-destined to keep arguing this pre-destination thing knowing what will happen does not equate to controlling events that will lead to the expected outcome.

in Physics it does...Its not about stubborn but about the truth..remember that the fate of
the betrayer was already sealed
as the bible clearly states..the bible didnt have to mention names for you to be sure.

Image123:
maybe, but note that Jesus knew, not that He made or destined him to it.

but remember that the fate of the betrayer was already sealed no? whoever it was he/she was stepping into an already written script..

korrej: @all. I have really gained from this discourse. Thanks to everyone that made comment. Before now i had a different perspective about this topic but now i think im refined by your posts. Again, thank you!

whats ur perspective?

Aww...what a true mom

plaetton: It is so refreshing to see that Nigerians can voluntarily meet to cordially discuss contentious issues that they fundamentally dissagree on.
There is hope. We just have to build on that and increase the momentum.
We are the future.

I had no doubts that Anony is decent guy, though suffering from the stockholm syndrome. Lol

I would dread to meet Enigma. This guy seems to have a thing for me.
I am just trying to picture in my mind what a face to face meeting with him would be like.
First I would have to make sure my life insurance policy is duly paid up, have 911 on speed dial, no voice dialing, pack some heat myself in case it turns into a shootout, and then I could find out what he is fond of and take it with me as peace offering

My Man Plaetton

Deep Sight:
I also had a telco with anony and can confirm he makes a strong oral debater. Sadly our reordng of the discussion crashed. We had hoped to post it here.

I hv always been up for meeting new peeps here and have met a few. Puts calm reality to things.

O Plaetton, i disagree with you on meeting Enigma. He is way too sensitive and dogmatic, but i still perceive a very decent guy ovrall.

Will like to meet you sha...

Ibrahim mr fish: Also Quran also stated dat,there is a barrer seprating occeans,which was also proven by science and the big bank theory was also talk about in Quran,the universe is exploded into existance.I belive dat is not a common knowlage back 1400years ago.

What barrier?

ghazzal:
how do you know that if i may ask? show me

When was the Qu'ran written?

^^^^ Jesus in his omniscience knew what he will do? that says it all then..

Ihedinobi:

Please forgive my cutting in, but which account is not biased?

How did Judas die? Isnt it suggested by scripture that Jesus was aware and didnt even bother praying for him..could he [Jesus] have encouraged it as espoused by the Gospel of Judas?

So? by the time the Qu'ran was written they were common knowledge..

frosbel:

I have been tempted to meet up with some select number of chaps on Nairaland , but when I remember 2011 and my Islamic posts I dare not even try.

My wife just might receive my head back in a parcel

Well ive met 2 pple here and it was good...there were suprised at my countenance though

Zikkyy:

I don't know how you want to interpret the bolded,you can imagine the type of punishment that awaits judas for this act. is it not better judas was never conceived? it has nothing to do with predestination.

The biblical account sef is even wrong and biased but all i know is that if Jesus said he shouldnt have been born then how will the scripture be fulfilled..