SmartyPants:


I am not obliged to give you the answer that would make you feel warm inside! If you don't like it, by all means get out of here.

How would i know what i would have done in a completely different set of circumstances? However it is very likely i would have because that religion is too questionable.

I also can tell you for a fact, that there are people born to moslem parents in the staunchest moslem countries, who have decided to become Christians. My father was born to a staunch moslem family for instance. He converted. So my being born a christian and my firm belief that chrisitanity is the only way are actually a coincidence.

Take it or leave it.

The odds are extremely high.

The fact your whole writeup screams Bible leaves no doubt you'd be a staunch moslem if you were in a moslem environment with another scripture called Koran.

Until you make a tenable argument devoid of scriptural references, no skeptic will regard you as anything than another indoctrinated religionist. Cheers

I do not see anything in your OP that a moslem can't equally say about his religion given your argument is underpinned by your scripture. Jesus this, Jesus that. Anybody can cite his/her scriptures too.

It's all indoctrination dude.

SmartyPants:


Can we agree that it is pointless to use language that is considered offensive? How does this logically reinforce your argument in anyway? I appeal to your sense of reason, kindly desist.

Contrary to what you believe, my father was a moslem and i was initially raised that way. My elder brother does not believe in God. I do not agree with my parents on a lot of doctrinal issues, and they do not agree with some of the places where i worship. I left church altogether for a good long while and only recently returned. I am not under environmental influence, though i must admit it obviously played a part. I have always used my mind and asked the relevant questions to the point where in fellowship i am labelled Mr. Skeptic. In the theology course i took in college, i almost caused a riot. My presentation is the result of careful, circumspect thought.

Now, if we want to be logical, in the absence of religion, we have absolutely no idea how the world came about. None whatsoever. To therefore postulate, and then project such postulations as being probable is highly illogical. Without religion, we have nothing to go on, so any suggestions are moot and far out of place in a logical discussion.

The question on religion is simply a question of whether or not we can trust religion and why. My first argument is that we can trust religion because the first question as to the existence and nature of an original source of life shows us that there are possibilities far beyond the realm of our current understanding. Therefore, to preclude the authenticity of all religion on the basis of current thought processes is illogical.

Would you dispute this?

You did not address my point. Let's try and keep it simple.

Would you have been a Christian if you were born to Muslim parents in Yemen?

Any sense of dishonesty and I'm outta here.

Thousands of gods out there but his parents god just happened to be the true god. Lol

@OP you'll make similar argument for another god depending where you were born.

Maybe something did cause the universe, but the first cause argument doesn't tell us that that thing is conscious or still alive. A dead or inanimate god is useless to theism. Plus how do you even leap from that thing to the one in your babble that loves barbecue and wants you to cut your penis skin. Your argument is terrible IMO

4EVERG0D:
I av joined d Nairaland police. It's time I av to have more than 1 accounts too. I mean if everybody is having more than one, why can't I have too.

Im my little time acting 4evergod, it has enabled me check the psychological levels of brains here. The atheists who detected I am no 4evergod are truly highly intelligent:

Lepasharon, Hopefullandlord, Dalaman

As we use to say, Felixmoron is the most unintelligent head on this forum The mumu already concluded I'm 4evergod.

And Emmanystone who isn't a familiar name, suspecting Otem? Guys, don't u think that's another 4evergod? Time to switch to my real monicker and make jest of the brain dead doctor Felixmoron.

Mission accomplished!

The Felix boy is the imbeci.le of Nairaland religion section. He proudly defends stupidity, falsehood, criminality, rape, slavery, and other vices as long as it's done by a Christian or Yahweh. Lol

Agnosticism is not a midway or middle ground between theism and atheism. So you pussy atheists hiding under agnostic label should make up your minds.

We are all agnostics, theists and atheists. Whoever claims to know with certainty that there is or there is not a god is just being stupid and arrogant. I mean one must be omniscient to make such a monstrous claim.

I know many agnostics that are now proud atheists after understanding the true meaning of atheism.

Richirich713:
Atheism is the belief that no God exists, that there is no God, not the belief that "religion is not the answer and truth", hell even atheists can be religious.

Shut the fuc'kk up a$$hole. Atheism is not a belief system.

Martinez19:
Read all the definitions, you are an atheist with respect to the God you don't believe in, MONEYJOEE dealt with this misconception.

You do not have to waste your time on mischievous and cretinous imb.eciles that devotes their lives to buffoonery and fairytale in the name of religion. These deluded chumps are becoming worried their mythologies are gradually fading and their gods now an object of ridicule.

Given the atheists are on forefront pulverizing their gods and getting some religionists to embrace reason, they must collectively fight this enemy. In their butthurt minds 'Atheism must be painted in bad light.' 'We must scare people away from atheism by redefining and skewing the meaning of atheism.' 'Let's asociate atheism with arrogance and pride and see if anybody will be proud of that label.'

Unfortunately for em, people are becoming wiser and are starting to see through the theists deception. Atheism is no longer believed to be what the lying, mentally impaired religious victims and apologists are peddling.

You do not have to claim to know everything to be an atheist.
You do not have to claim there's no god to be called an atheist.
I don't know and I don't believe you is what makes one an atheist.

Until the religious nutheads and god peddlers substantiate their insane and arrogant claims, any rational person will lack belief in all those gods, and that's what makes someone an atheist.

These niqqas just quoting numbers anyhow. $37m? Really?

And who the frigging fucck is this jumping asshole called sciencewhot spamming the whole thread with dumbfuckery?

Niflheim:
@akintom,

Pastor Paul is a bloody, wicked fool!!! The chief prince of "Inhumane Imbeciles"!!!

Hey Frater the genius. Given the name I called you, I bet you must be wondering who the f'ucck I am. Well, I'll leave you to solve the conundrum.

The new buyer can get a fresh document. Ain't no problem girlie

ScienceWatch:
It is good to see how you work hard to help your fellow low level Atheist, Martinez19 to quickly get to the primary level of Atheism.

His answer will be No, then he has been converted to Atheism. You stopped there when you should have also told him of the cost of Atheism. And that he must save enough money so he can meet the FAILED modern Prophet of Atheism Richard Dawkins.
You have also failed to tell him that many countries will be afraid of him.

Why are so many countries afraid of Atheists ?

Atheists living in 13 countries risk being condemned to death, just for their beliefs (or non-belief) according to a new, comprehensive report from the International Humanist and Ethical Union out on Tuesday. All 13 countries identified by the study are Muslim majority.

The known countries that impose these penalties are Afghanistan, Iran, Malaysia, Maldives, Mauritania, Nigeria, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, United Arab Emirates and Yemen. With the exception of Pakistan, those countries all allow for capital punishment against apostasy, i.e., the renunciation of a particular religion. Pakistan, meanwhile, imposes the death penalty for blasphemy, which can obviously include disbelief in God.

The crippling high cost of entering Atheism's INNER CIRCLE :

You should have told Martinez19 of the huge financial cost of become a true follower of Atheism or remain on the dreaded outskirts as a pretender to the inner circle. Starting with 27,000Niara a month joining fee.

The Richard Dawkins website offers followers like Martinez19 the chance to join the ‘Reason Circle’, which, like Dante’s Hell, is arranged in concentric circles. For 27,000Niara a month, you get discounts on his merchandise, and the chance to meet ‘Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science personalities’.

Obviously that’s not enough to see the Atheist prophet himself. For that you pay 66,000Niara a month for the chance to attend an event where he will speak.

When you compare this to the going rate for other charismatic preachers, it is on the extremely high side. The Pentecostal evangelist Morris Cerullo, for example, charges only $30 a month to become a member of ‘God’s Victorious Army’, which is bringing ‘healing and deliverance to the world’. And from Cerullo you get free DVDs, not just discounts.

Membership at the SCOAN church is FREE. Access to the Inner Circle of Healing is FREE. Access to scholarships are FREE and many more.

After the Martinez19 passes through the successively more expensive ‘Darwin Circle’ and then the ‘Evolution Circle’, he attains the innermost circle, where for 31.4million Niara a year or more he gets to have a private breakfast or lunch with the failed Prophet of Modern Atheism, Richard Dawkins, and a reserved table at an invitation-only circle event with ‘Richard’ as well as ‘all the benefits listed above’, so he still gets a discount on his Richard Dawkins T-shirt saying ‘Religion — together we can find a cure.’

The Atheism website of prophet Dawkins suggests that donations of up to 157million Niara a year will be accepted for the privilege of eating with the Atheist Prophet once a year: at this level of contribution you become a member of something called ‘The Magic of Reality Circle’.

You never told Martinez19 because you are not a recognized Atheist. You are outside the coveted Inner Circle of Atheism.

I don't mince word when I say religionists are mentally injured folks. Look at the poppycock scrawled by one of the victims of religion. I do not in any way see how his post relates to atheism. How long are we gonna continue drumming it into the empty heads of these simple-minded pitiable Yahweh's servants that atheism is not a fuckin' religion. You can only call atheism a religion when we start calling unclothedness a brand of clothing line. Atheism do not have any doctrine, no rituals, no prophet, no membership fee. As an atheist you save the money that woulda gone to the basin of the charlatans in suit and cassock.

Almost every website has a donate me, what has it got to do with atheism?

bennyann:


You see, because I know how you guys think that's why I know I shouldnt describe my experience.

You need your own evidence and not others' to scrutinize and invalidate. It's time to find yours too.


We're talking about God not an object. The best evidence is your own evidence which no one can take from you, just as you can't take mine from me.

Go and find yours jare

"if you can reason with religion people, there will be no religious people"

You're really not good with logical reasoning. You said you acknowledge the existence of other gods but what made you chose Yahweh was his supremacy. And I asked you what makes Yahweh the Supreme God. After realizing the folly in your personal stories, you latched onto it's my own evidence, go get your blah blah blah.

Isn't it so obvious you're just a Christian because you were conditioned to be one as a kid. I'd respect it if you can be honest and ffuck the 'I'm a Christian because Yahweh's Supreme God' argument, because the way I see it, you don't have any tenable reason to be a Christian outside indoctrination.

bennyann:


Through personal experiences which I do not like to share but I will give an idea.

That's my experience and I wouldn't talk on it again so please respect my wish. I think I've done well to answer.

Nup, I don't think you did well. Your argument for what makes Yahweh the Supreme God is 'I can feel it inside me'. It's really a poor defence.
1. How did you know it was Yahweh and not Brahma that you were filled with?
2. How did you know for sure that you weren't delirious?
2. Personal anecdote don't mean shitt (people make up stories)
3. Why should the evidence for the supremacy of Yahweh be the feeling of God's power in you. That's funny.
3.Any religion can say the same thing for their god as the Supreme God. But hey if you don't wanna talk more about it, cheers.

bennyann:


Hmmmmm! What about this?

I believe there are other gods, in that they exist. I only chose to be subjected to just one whom I believe to be the almighty one out of them all.

Let's try this. What makes Yahweh the almighty one?

Damn! One of the pained Christian admin here just hid one of my post.

Martinez19:
Gbam! If all the average citizens thought like you ehn, things would definitely be better.

Thanks my niqqa. I don't enjoy watching people who fit the atheist label shy away and cling unto agnosticism due to erroneous data they got from religious sapheads. You can either believe or disbelieve in god. No middle way, no sitting on the fence. If you don't see good reasons to believe in any of the 'make believe' gods presented by their adherents then you're an atheist. Don the label. Be proud of it. Cheers

Martinez19:
I used to think that atheism is simply a disbelief in any god, I thought science is the one that is mainly concerned with evidence. I have checked it now, everyone is an atheist in the sense that they don't believe in other gods.

Bingo!
The Christians are atheistic to the Hindus gods and all other gods worshipped by mankind. The only difference between a Christian and an atheist is the latter doesn't believe in one more god (Yahweh) than Christian. Ergo atheists lack belief in all gods.

This is really simple but some dishonest and delusional religitards and crybabies won't stop redefining atheism, a poor attempt at scaring people away from atheism —Nobody would want to associate with people that claim there's no god.

bennyann:


This makes sense, now I know why they're against God

Atheism isn't lack of belief in the existence of God but lack of belief in all gods. It means if gods exist, [s]they just don't believe in them till they're sure.[/s]

They suspend belief pending when there's any verifiable evidence for that god.

bennyann:

Then they should stop acting as though they know and they know and they know that there are no gods.

I don't know of any atheist that act as though they know for certain there can't be a god. However they can easily know that religious gods are nothing but ancient humans construct. Come on friend, you don't have to be omniscient to know there's nothing like cubic sphere. When you claim your god created our world but your god turned out to be a flat earther, like the hypothetical cubic sphere, we can easily dismiss that god as nonexistent and bad fiction. You don't need unlimited knowledge to know that religious gods are insult to common sense. That being said, crossing out the religious gods still doesn't rule out the possibility of any god. But that doesn't mean we should accept any claim borne out of human infantile imagination and supposition with zero basis on empirical evidence and reality. (This is a nod to the deist lazy god). As atheist we don't make any claims, as a matter of fact, most of us will reverse our stance in the face of evidence, unfortunately not one of you who arrogantly claim to know there's god have been able to proffer a tiny shred of evidence.

Martinez19:
I am not an atheist neither am I a religious person. Religious folks say there is a God, which is their God. A careful analysis shows that their calms are false are senseless. Atheist on the other hand should provide their basis and lines of argument if they say there is no God. Atheist may and should say that religious god are false and we don't believe in them. Of course, there might be a God who is not of any religion like near death experiencers encounter, but how would you know?

I am scientific in my views. I know religion is bunk and lies.

Have you also fallen for the religious apologists lies and skews of who an atheist is? That's one of their desperate and dishonest moves to reduce our numbers.

If you understand the true meaning of atheism, there's a possibility that you're one of em. Most people are atheist but they don't know this because they've been lied to on who an atheist is. You see them saying stupid shite like "I'm not an atheist, I'm agnostic." Of course knuckleheads we are all agnostics, both theists and atheists. We can never know for sure if there's a god. Whoever claims to know for sure that there is (or there is not) a god is an arrogant and ignorant fool.

Atheism in the broader sense is simply a lack of belief in god(s).
An atheist is someone who lack a belief in all gods. The person must not necessarily claim that there's no god. Even Richard Dawkins wouldn't say there's no god. An atheist is that guy that's simply saying "I don't believe you until you show me evidence for your god's existence." Contrary to the lies you've been fed, atheist don't actually make any claims. I don't know why this is too hard for some demented lying religious shitbags.

I wonder why religious knotheads thinks they're in the position to define who we are.

Now that you've been told agnosticism isn't a middle ground between theism and atheism, you should answer this question to know where you belong. The question is not if you know if there's a god rather it's: Do you believe in any god?


If your answer is NO, you're an atheist. Very simple.

Quite ridiculous. 2017 and billions of people are still talking and believing in mythologies like it actually happened. Spit on y'all spineless airheaded religious halfwits.

APCsupporter:


dear seun, that these people share the same views with you doesn't mean that they should have the licence to insult the faith of others

Brainwashed Mohammedan. Shouldn't you be worried your sick and capricious god couldn't strike him. Suddenly the 'almighty' Allah will have Seun banning people on his behalf. Is your god that powerless? Lol. Can you not see the fuckery in your religion and god?

These guys can't stop boring us with their private matters. Nonsense

Acer 5750G
6GB RAM
1GB Nvidia dedicated graphics card
300GB HDD
Running on Windows 10

Location: Enugu
Price: 60k last price

Nonsense. Social media done more good. Do you want to go back to the stone age

We don't know of any cabal