Christ and all the desciples after him are proper Judaizers as you call it.

Why are you slacking?



Abi you want to deny they never walked the earth like the antichrist teaches.



or maybe they just followed a few rules to stay on track.

kai laugh wan finish me ma sef.

[quote author=Kingdompartaker post=28936816]@MOSTHIGH

(MR JUDAIZER, SIMPLE QUESTION THAT PERTAIN TO YOUR LAW OF MOSES, UNA NO FIT ANSWER) OYO IS YOUR CASE



(1 TIM 1 VS 6-7)
6: from which some, having strayed, have turned aside to idle talk,
7: Desiring to be teachers of the Law, understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm.

TEACHER NO TEACH ME NONSENSE;

Christ and all desciples after him are Judaizers as you put it.

wetin come be your own?

Kingdompartaker:
@MOSTHIGH

Now the answer to your queshun... When Christ sits on his throne of glory and rules over all of isreal then all is fufilled. So until then keep vigilant and dont be lawless.

Like i said before, jumping from tree to high tension pole is your trademark, (MAKING IRRELEVANT, FOOLISH AND NONSENSE COMMENTS, SIMPLE QUESTION YOU CANNOT ANSWER)

(LET ME CONCLUDE FOR YOU, CHRIST IS IN SOKOTO, SANYINNA, ROAMING THE STREET AWAITING THE DAY OF CORONATION TO BE CROWN KING OF ISREAL)

(BELOVED, BEWARE THESE ARE THE TRAITS OF THE ANTI-CHRIST)

WELL, HEAR THIS DESPISER OF JESUS

(2 THES 1 VS 8-9)

8: in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not KNOW GOD, and on those who DO NOT OBEY THE GOSPEL OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST.
9: These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the LORD and from THE GLORY OF HIS POWER.

Lawless son of the Lawless man.

Christ walked on this earth. Walk as he walked.

Christ hater.

Kingdompartaker:
@MOSTHIGH

There you go again jumping from pillar to tree, from tree to pillar, MAKING IRRELEVANT AND FOOLISH COMMENTS

you quoted (MAT 5 VS 17), Let me ask you, my friend, (IS THE LAW FULFILLED ??)

Why so pained??

And I am not your friend. the father says not to keep company with Lawless folk.

Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven;

Looks like you and your kin are at the bottom of the bottom going by my masters words.

Correction your phrase should read pillar to post.

Now the answer to your queshun... When Christ sits on his throne of glory and rules over all of isreal then all is fufilled. So until then keep vigilant and dont be lawless.

Kingdompartaker:
@MOSTHIGH

(ISA 6 VS 9)
9: And He said, “Go, and tell this people:

‘Keep on hearing, but do not understand;
Keep on seeing, but do not perceive.’

10: “Make the heart of this people dull,
And their ears heavy,
And shut their eyes;
Lest they see with their eyes,
And hear with their ears,
And understand with their heart,
And return and be healed.”

Obviously, it is crystal clear that you have EYES, YOU CANNOT SEE, YOU HAVE EARS YOU CANNOT HEAR. Let me remind you, that before now, it is stated that; "GOD DEALT WITH THE GENTILES UNDER THE OLD PROGRAM, IMPUTING SIN TO THEM THROUGH ADAM (see: Gen 2 vs 17: Romans 5 vs 12-21). GENTILES WERE UNDER THE "NOAHIC COVENANT" (Gen 9), "ABRAHAMIC COVENANT" (Gen 12 vs 1-3; Romans 4). Again let me also remind you at this junction that the "SET OF FOUR RULES AS SUGGESTED BY JAMES FOR CHRISTIANS TO ABSTAIN FROM [EXISTED AS A FORM OF SIN] EVEN BEFORE THE GIVEN OF THE LAW OF MOSES, (Romans 5 vs 13, said, FOR UNTIL THE LAW, SIN WAS IN THE WORLD: read the following Scriptural verses for proof: IDOLATRY: (Gen 12 vs 1-3, Josh 24 vs 2): SEXUAL IMMORALITY: (Gen 18 vs 20; 19 vs 9): BLOOD: (Gen 4 vs 15; 9 vs 6 and FROM THINGS STRANGLED (Gen 9 vs 4).

(No Scripture in the Bible teaches that Gentiles nations had the LAW OF MOSES and were "UNDER OBLIGATION TO OBEY THE LAW OF MOSES).

QUESTION? ON WHOSE AUTHORITY ARE YOU ACTING, OBVIOUSLY; NOT THE APOSTLES OF JESUS, FOR THEY SAID, "NO ONE WAS GIVEN THE AUTHORITY OR COMMAND TO OBEY THE LAW OF MOSES). (Act 15 vs 24)

Its the way you call them rules that cracks me up

You cannot even bring yaself to call them Laws of the most high God you choose to call them rules of James. Appaling I tell you.

Mathew 5:17

Koboko.

Kingdompartaker:
(Act 15 vs 19) judgment of James
After Barnabas and Paul told “about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles” (Acts 15:12), James spoke. As leader of the Jerusalem church, he had a lot of influence. Some of the Judaizers even claimed him as their authority (Gal. 2:12), But Luke tells us that James was in complete agreement with Peter and Paul.
“Listen to me. Simon [Peter] has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles” (Acts 15:13-14). The fact that God has already acted was powerful evidence. James then quoted from the (Book of Amos) to show that Scripture agreed with what was happening (vs. 15-18). He could have used other Old Testament prophecies, too, about Gentiles being included among God’s people.
Experience and Scripture pointed to the same conclusion. “This make James to conclude, therefore, they should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God”, There is no need to require the Yoke of Moses, for that would make things unnecessarily difficult for the Gentile believers.

(Act 15 vs 20)
James then suggested four rules: “Instead we should write to them (THIS DOES NOT IMPLIES THAT THEY ARE TO KEEP THE LAW OF MOSES), telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood”, Instead of making things difficult for the Gentiles, these four rules would be enough.
Obviously, Gentile believers should not lie, steal and murder. They already knew that, so they did not need a special reminder about it.

The Question now is why then these four rules?
These laws dated back to the time of Noah, and therefore applied to all Nations.
However, it is clear that Gentiles do not have to be circumcised, nor do they have to obey the Laws of Moses. They are circumcised spiritually, not physically. God never gave those commands to the Gentiles.

(Act 15 vs 21) Moses is preached
We should not make it difficult for the Gentiles, James said. Instead, it will be enough to give them four rules, which they will find easy to comply with. Why give them these rules? Notice the reason that James gives: “For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath” (Act 15 vs. 21).
James was not encouraging Gentile Christians to attend the synagogues. He was not saying they should listen to the Laws of Moses. No, but because those Laws were commonly preached, the apostles should tell the Gentiles four rules. Then they would not think that Christianity is more difficult than it is.

4 rules would be enough.

Your joking right? So humor me how many rules are enough for you seeing you are a pfofessed Gentile. .

don't forget that Gentile simply means non Isrealitie.

What an imagination you have. More Koboko 4 you

Kingdompartaker:
@ MRPRESIDENT1 @MOSTHIGH VS APOSTLES OF JESUS CHRIST

ACT 15 VS 1-24 (NKJV)
1: And certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.”
2: Therefore, when Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and dispute with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas and certain others of them should go up to Jerusalem, to the apostles and elders, about this question.
3: So, being sent on their way by the church, they passed through Phoenicia and Samaria, describing the conversion of the Gentiles; and they caused great joy to all the brethren.
4: And when they had come to Jerusalem, they were received by the church and the apostles and the elders; and they reported all things that God had done with them.
5: But some of the sect of the Pharisees who believed rose up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the Law of Moses.”
6: Now the apostles and elders came together to consider this matter.
7: And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe.
8: So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us,
9: and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
10: Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
11: But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, we shall be saved in the same manner as they.”
12: Then all the multitude kept silent and listened to Barnabas and Paul declaring how many miracles and wonders God had worked through them among the Gentiles.
13: And after they had become silent, James answered, saying, “Men and brethren, listen to me:
14: Simon has declared how God at the first visited the Gentiles to take out of them a people for His name.
15 And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written:
16 ‘After this I will return
And will rebuild the tabernacle of David, which has fallen down;
I will rebuild its ruins,
And I will set it up;
17: So that the rest of mankind may seek the LORD,
Even all the Gentiles who are called by My name,
Says the LORD who does all these things.’
18: “Known to God from eternity are all His works.
19: Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God,
20: but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood.
21: For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

22: Then it pleased the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas, namely, Judas who was also named Barsabas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren.
23: They wrote this letter by them:
The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,
To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:
Greetings.
24: Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “YOU MUST BE CIRCUMCISED AND KEEP THE LAW OF MOSES —TO WHOM WE GAVE NO SUCH COMMANDMENT


@MRPRESIDENT1 : MOSEE MIMO, SEE WHAT, APOSTLES OF JESUS CHRIST are saying:

@MOSTHIGH : DON’T MIND THE STUPID APOSTLES (THEY ARE ALL SENT FROM THE PIT OF HELL, and ALL OF THEM ARE CHILDREN OF LAWLESSNESS)

On the contrary.

19: Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God,
20: but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood.
21: For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”


You must have missed out the judgment part passed by James regarding things the Heathen should abstain from which is all pointing back to (The Law) because of your lazyness, Lawlessness and blindness.

shdemidemi:
And all these things you wrote somehow make scriptural sense to you.

EOD

Painful? believe me I can imagine how you feel.

But you must continue to receive the Koboko I tell you.

Child of lawlesness

shdemidemi:


In this case it does.... Jesus have declared Himself through the gospel, will you obey or disobey Christ?

Romans 10 King James Version (KJV)

10 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

2 For I bear them record that they have a (what? does this not describe you perfectly?)zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

5[size=20pt] For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law[/size], That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from .........

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Do you see the disparity between what Christ presented to Moses'?

1st John 2. Will you walk as he walked or are you going to continue denying that he walked the earth?

This is the devils work. To deny Christ in the flesh.

Yeah.... just have a good heart so Goshen360 says.

But we of the way know he walk etc on this earth daily and continually.

The wages of sin is death O ye children of lawlessness.

shdemidemi:


Will you kill your child as the law stipulate if he curse you or bend the rule like a typical hypocritical defender of legalism?

You must always try to apply the literal and allegorical to Scripture to get at the true meaning.

Classic example from the master himself, he says if your hand should cause you to sin cut it off.

translation of idiomatic expression is if whatever is making you to sin stop it.

But then what would you care for aramaic idiomatic expressions and translations.

All you know is Paul this and Paul that.never will we hear you say Christ this and Christ that

Koboko to Goshen360 and all of.his desciples

shdemidemi:


He knows people like you are only paying mouth service, when the challenge come you will quickly stowaway and do that which is convenient. Yet you put others under a yoke that you yourself will always fail when the challenge presents itself.

Mark 7
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:

11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.

12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;

13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Jesus pushed hypocrites like you to the limit. Will you kill your son according to the Moses if he curse you? Or would you bend the law like David did?

For you it is a yoke hence your bondage. For me it is a joy note Psalm 119.

1 John 2 says walk exactly as the master walks, not as the master thinks in his heart.

Children of lawlesness

Kingdompartaker:
Don't mind, sir,They are Hypocrites:

MAT 23 VS 1-39
"But woe to you, scribes and pharisees, hypocrites!, For you shut up the Kingdom of Heaven against men; for you neither go in yourself, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in. (NKJV)

They continue to run from pillar to pillar, stressing on irrelevant Scriptural verses to back their HERESIES, which lead to APOSTASY. The LAW of Moses they always claim to keep (That is NOT) is after them, pursuing them day and night. Clearly, it is plain that this LAW KEEPER are possessed by ANTI-GOSPEL, ANTI-CHRISTIAN spirit. PRIDE is always the reigning SIN that mostly easily beset them, and which Our LORD JESUS takes all occasions to speak and rebuke them for. GOD BLESS

Any that teach you that the law has been put away, he also is the least in the kingdom. Math 5:17

But Goshen360 and his disciples don't preach the kingdom they preach death to Christ.

They can't see themselves in the kingdom because the kingdom is governed by the laws of the most high. Note ezk 44 and 45.

Lawless children of the son of perdition.

shdemidemi:


Now you need forgiving nature of Christ. I thought you had so much confidence in your flesh to match God toe-to-toe in His test.

Obedience does not imply arrogance.

Lawlessness is death.

shdemidemi:


So, we can break the law when it isn't convenient? You see the hypocrisy in you beaming out.

Because of his forgiving nature thats why we find comfort in him go read your psalms.

but dont go breaking the law intentionally and repeatedly because of that mercy

your cup will get full eventually.

like goshen pushing for all sorts of liberal ideas rewriting the torah, real sharp guy.

Your father loves to tell lies and decive.

shdemidemi:


Where is the answer to the question?

Good man.

Christ flouted the institutionalised Sabbath day, what do you say to that?

To flout is to openly disregard.

why would the son openly disregard his fathers instructions

You are a liar just like your father the lawless man.

shdemidemi:

1 Tim 1:9
We also know that the law is made [size=28pt]not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels[/size], the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers,

So what guides the rightous.. oooo i remember you and goshen preach the heart as the guide

But the master instructs us to worship in sprit and in truth, it should not be a one sided affair like you and your oga are preaching.

The whole of the bible is the truth.

Stop fighting the truth.

shdemidemi:


Where is the answer to the question?

Good man.

So if your child should fall into the well on the sabath and you save him is that flouting.

Choose your words carefully. to flout is to openly diregard.

When david eat the shewbread, did he openly disregard.

The Law was made for man and not man for the Law.

I hope that answers your queshun.. lawless son of the lawless man.

Goshen360:
^ ^ ^ These guys fight for keeping the laws but they don't know nothing hidden in the law. . They resort to insult rather than discussing the subject, with nothing to say. They quote irrelevant scriptures, out of context and all of that crap.

You think calling you a Lawless man is an insult but it is not it is scriptural.

Goshen is Lawless and proudly so.

Koboko for you well well.

Kingdompartaker:
@ MOSTHIGH

BY THEIR FRUITS WE SHALL KNOW THEM,

TRUTH IS BITTER, TALK IS CHEAP, YOU CAN SAY WHATEVER YOU LIKE.

(YOU CANNOT CHANGE JUST LIKE YOUR FOREFATHER, (MODERN DAY JUDAIZER)

THE LAW IS ACTUALLY MADE FOR UNGODLY PEOPLE LIKE (UNHOLY, PROFANE, MURDERER,LIARS, MANSLAYERS E.T.C)

MY PRAYER FOR YOU, IS GOD WILL DELIVER YOU

Law made for ungodly ke?

So it is no longer good for reproof and instructions on rightousness?

You are all Jokers. going round and round like rats in a maze, but the koboko you cannot escape.

Lawless children.

shdemidemi:


Christ flouted the institutionalised Sabbath day, what do you say to that?

See your choice of words, flouted ke?

Thats why you are so so rebelious.

But you think the father is one like you. no way

he shall rebuke thee well well.

Lawless son of the lawless man.

shdemidemi:


Lol All he needs is a little shove, isn't it?

Don't mix the word of God up to your destruction.
Hebrews 1
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son,

The old Testament laws isn't Christ but a shadow of what is to come by Christ. The reincarnated Word is the gospel of Jesus in the last days and not what was written aforetime.

Lawless son of the lawless man.

Christ obeyed the Law, whats your beef.

Lazybones.

Kingdompartaker:
yet you cannot provide it. anyway Sir, do you read in your Bible that; THE LAW WAS GIVEN BY MOSES,BUT GRACE AND TRUTH CAME BY JESUS CHRIST. Now,let me share more light on the verse you gave (John 1 vs 1)

John 1 vs 1 : The plainest reason why The Son of GOD is called the WORD (Not the LAW OF MOSES as you claim) is this, We all know our words explain our minds to others, so was the SON OF GOD sent in order to REVEAL HIS FATHER'S MIND to the WORLD, (NOT THROUGH THE LAW, BUT THROUGH THE GOSPEL OF GRACE AND TRUTH).The chapter says CHRIST proves that HE IS GOD, HE asserts, HIS EXISTENCE in the beginning: HIS coexistence with the FATHER. Note: (HE IS the means NOW through which GOD REVEAL AND SPEAKS to US (HIS WORD,HIS GOSPEL and NOT THE LAW OF MOSES) see:Hebrew 1 vs 1-2. thank sir

Even though grace and truth came by Him he was no lawless man.

Because you have grace it does not give you a liscence to be lawless.

As a matter of fact quite the autere man.

Read math 5:17.

MrPresident1:


You kingdompartaker aka goshen360, shdemidemi aka vooks are evil, brood of vipers and spawn of satan.

You teach my people lawlessness and enforce their slavery.

You are evil.

Open you head.

JESUS CHRIST IS THE LAW OF MOSES.

Say on prophet of the Most High God.

Kingdompartaker:
give us the Scriptural verse that said that (JESUS CHRIST IS THE LAW OF MOSES). Note the Bible is the final authority, thanks sir

In the beginning was the WORD and the WORD was with God and the WORD was God.

The Same was in the beginning.

Is your bible not filled with WORDS or do you have only paintings and drawings.

Bidam:
Is that what you read in my post? Do you advocate masturbations, premarital sex, abortions and gay marriages in your church?

he wont answer your question cuase the answer is like a gunshot to the head.

shdemidemi:



Did you answer my question? No

Quit the ranting for a bit and act civil for a minute.

Can you categorically say you love God with all your being?

Lawless son of the lawless man.

shdemidemi:


Grace came to help you keep the law indeed.

Now that grace is here, have you successfully kept the laws?

No OOO. dont keep the law after grace has come.

You and goshen can go climb up a mountain and write your own laws or better still have a heart to heart talk.

Lawless man.

shdemidemi:


Seem you just copy and paste this same thing all through the years.

Well, I am not a Christ hater neither is Apostle Paul. It is unfortunate that you have eyes yet will not see, ears that can't hear. I pray your eyes of understanding becomes illuminated that you may understand the dimension of God revealed by the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Who called apostle paul a christ hater

I only mentioned you as a christ hater.

Paul obeyed the law to the very end

christ hater.

Lawless man.

Bidam:
God bless you my brother. Thank you for saying the truth as it is. No one can keep the law and that is why grace came, infact grace teaches us to say no to ungodliness and wordly passions and to live self controlled upright and godly lives. but for folks to advocate lawless behaviours like sex before marriages, abortions,masturbations and the likes is what i am kicking against. These antinomians are fond of distorting the pauline epistles. These are the error of lawless men peter warned us to guard against.

antinomians.

shdemidemi:


Mr Bidam where in the bible did you find moral law or other sub divisions of the law given to moses ratified after the death of Christ?

I won't go through the more obvious routes to show you where the bible says we are no longer under the law but under grace, rather I will go through administration change.

Apostle Paul with the inspiration of the Holy Spirit says - Ephesians 3:2

"If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward."

What is dispensation?

it’s a word from which we get the word stewardship or dispensing. If we go to a pharmacy and give him our prescription, he then dispenses what the doctor has ordered, but along with dispensing the product he also gives you explicit instructions. You don’t just take that medicine haphazardly, but rather you follow the instructions that came with the dispensing.

Now bringing it back into the Scriptures, a dispensation was a period of time during which God laid particular dispensational instructions to the human race.

When God called Moses and the Nation of Israel out of Egypt, he brought them around Mt. Sinai. He called Moses to the mount and gave him the law. The law is a dispensation. God's demand was dispensed to the nation of israel- the Law prescribed how they were to worship and how they were to live.

In similitude, Apostle Paul became a steward or a dispenser of a separate administration which prescribe how we should live and worship.

I Corinthians 4:1

"Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and (what’s the next word?) [size=32pt]stewards[/size] of the mysteries of God."

He isn't dispensing the law of Moses(prescribed to the nation of Israel) but he became the steward of the mysteries(secrets) that had been hid in God to the church.

Lokk at this desciple of paul.

Christ hater, why do you find it so hard to do as your master does

He is obedient to the end and all the true desciples after him.

You are a christ hater, a hater of the Laws of God.

vooks:
You are not speaking but typing.
Go and read that thread, it will set you free.
Once you are done, come and critique it

Thread set you free just as you are free.

Hilarious I tell ya.

vooks:
Scared of the truth?

The truth speaks for itself.

Speak and stop pasting link's.