Mike..ZA:
Mission to take Cuito?. Answer this: What made the SADF to interfere or launch those late 88-89 operations? Was it to take Cuito or stop the advanced against Mavinga or against UNITA. On which battle did Cuba win against SA during the 88-89 operations?

as I am not fond of spitting like a lama(mike_za) senslessly without proof, I'm going to answer your questions with credible fact.

The Battle of Cuito Cuanavale and the Nuclear Option

For six monthsthe SADF threw everythingthey had at the town [Cuito Cuanavale]. In December1987,1500 Cubans joined the defenders.
With the full powerof the SADF aimedat Cuito Cuanavale, Cuban, Angolan and SWAPO forcesprepared for a counter-attack.Fifty thousandCuban volunteers wentto Angola to help the fight.
Angolan and Cuban MIG 23 pilotssweptthe South African Air Force from Angolan skies. But SADF artillery superioritymeant they couldstill rain 20,000 shells onto Cuito Cuanavale every day.
In major battlesin January, Februaryand Marchof 1988, the South Africans failed to take the town. Campbell claimsthatat thispoint,press-gangedblack SADF soldiersbeganrebellingand SA presidentP.K. Botha flew to the front to stopthe military commandcollapsing.

Failing to take Cuito Cuanavale with over 9,000 soldiers even after announcingto the world thatCuito Cuanavale had fallen; losing its superiorityin the air; and facedwith mutiniesfrom the black troopsof the pressedganged battalions,the operationalcommandof the SADF broke downand the presidentP.W. Botha had to fly to the war zoneinsideAngola. Botha, it was later revealedhad flown in to intervenein a disputeamong the South African military highcommandon whetherthe apartheid army should use tacticalnuclear weapons. Botha decidedagainst the use of nuclear weaponsbecauseat thattimeapartheid South Africa was a pariah state.
www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread588726/pg1[b]

Mike..ZA:
Mission to take Cuito?. Answer this: What made the SADF to interfere or launch those late 88-89 operations? Was it to take Cuito or stop the advanced against Mavinga or against UNITA. On which battle did Cuba win against SA during the 88-89 operations?

as I am not fond of spitting like a lama(mike_za) senslessly without proof, I'm going to answer your questions with credible fact.

The Battle of Cuito Cuanavale and the Nuclear Option

For six monthsthe SADF threw everythingthey had at the town [Cuito Cuanavale]. In December1987,1500 Cubans joined the defenders.
With the full powerof the SADF aimedat Cuito Cuanavale, Cuban, Angolan and SWAPO forcesprepared for a counter-attack.Fifty thousandCuban volunteers wentto Angola to help the fight.
Angolan and Cuban MIG 23 pilotssweptthe South African Air Force from Angolan skies. But SADF artillery superioritymeant they couldstill rain 20,000 shells onto Cuito Cuanavale every day.
In major battlesin January, Februaryand Marchof 1988, the South Africans failed to take the town. Campbell claimsthatat thispoint,press-gangedblack SADF soldiersbeganrebellingand SA presidentP.K. Botha flew to the front to stopthe military commandcollapsing.

Failing to take Cuito Cuanavale with over 9,000 soldiers even after announcingto the world thatCuito Cuanavale had fallen; losing its superiorityin the air; and facedwith mutiniesfrom the black troopsof the pressedganged battalions,the operationalcommandof the SADF broke downand the presidentP.W. Botha had to fly to the war zoneinsideAngola. Botha, it was later revealedhad flown in to intervenein a disputeamong the South African military highcommandon whetherthe apartheid army should use tacticalnuclear weapons. Botha decidedagainst the use of nuclear weaponsbecauseat thattimeapartheid South Africa was a pariah state.
www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread588726/pg1[/b]

Mike..ZA:
Mission to take Cuito?. Answer this: What made the SADF to interfere or launch those late 88-89 operations? Was it to take Cuito or stop the advanced against Mavinga or against UNITA. On which battle did Cuba win against SA during the 88-89 operations?

as I am not fond of spitting like a lama(mike_za) senslessly without proof, I'm going to answer your questions with credible fact.

The Battle of Cuito Cuanavale and the Nuclear Option

For six monthsthe SADF threw everythingthey had at the town [Cuito Cuanavale]. In December1987,1500 Cubans joined the defenders.
With the full powerof the SADF aimedat Cuito Cuanavale, Cuban, Angolan and SWAPO forcesprepared for a counter-attack.Fifty thousandCuban volunteers wentto Angola to help the fight.
Angolan and Cuban MIG 23 pilotssweptthe South African Air Force from Angolan skies. But SADF artillery superioritymeant they couldstill rain 20,000 shells onto Cuito Cuanavale every day.
In major battlesin January, Februaryand Marchof 1988, the South Africans failed to take the town. Campbell claimsthatat thispoint,press-gangedblack SADF soldiersbeganrebellingand SA presidentP.K. Botha flew to the front to stopthe military commandcollapsing.

Failing to take Cuito Cuanavale with over 9,000 soldiers even after announcingto the world thatCuito Cuanavale had fallen; losing its superiorityin the air; and facedwith mutiniesfrom the black troopsof the pressedganged battalions,the operationalcommandof the SADF broke downand the presidentP.W. Botha had to fly to the war zoneinsideAngola. Botha, it was later revealedhad flown in to intervenein a disputeamong the South African military highcommandon whetherthe apartheid army should use tacticalnuclear weapons. Botha decidedagainst the use of nuclear weaponsbecauseat thattimeapartheid South Africa was a pariah state.
www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread588726/pg1

Mike..ZA:
Those countries withdraw their support after their supplies were getting bombed by UN helicopters. Which were called in by South African special forces.

yet more lies from just your saliva. no evidence. just spits. shame of a nation with too many ignoran and fake interpreters.

this is why m23 lost support. dummy

US Calls on Rwanda to End M23 Support
m.voanews.com/a/1707924.html

threats and pressures from world powers.

I thought your coming back was from rehab. you seem to be getting worse than before. too bad

Mike..ZA:
Tiny Cuba pushed back many USA "wannabe coup" operations. On which battle did Cuba defeat South Africa? They had air superiority but failed to defeat SA. Correction both South African and Cuban troops withdrawn from Angolan after the agreement.

guy the more you talk, the worst you get. you said tiny Cuba defeated US. not coup plotters.

tiny Cuba withdrew after SADF abandoned their mission of taking cuito and withdrew from Angola permanently. giving the Cubans no other reason to remain. you may have won some battles but definitely did not win the war.

olodo

Mike..ZA:
Now you wanna argue on that word "state" ? conventional battles can be fought organisations+rebels or groups.

this is why I call you a sensless noise maker. now you just contradicted yourself and rubbished your own argument from the day you started.

is their no superior way to display the south African brain?

Mike..ZA:
I posted a video link where the Rooivalk pilot clearly speaks about being fired on by M23. Biafra again? A war of mercinaries?,I'm talking about fighter jets not some aircraft that is pulled forward by a propeller which cannot engaged any jet engined fighter.............Regarding M23 when fighting broke in August Tanzanian artillery+SANDF mortar teams bombarded the Kibati hills,you can remember when I told real/live time events when the tower in kibati was destroyed and captured. Only Ukraine Mi-24P helicopters(from the 8th detachment) ran strife attacks M23 supplies,which were observed by SANDF special forces calling in this choppers. Of all the battalions in the FIB the SANDF battalion(parabats) was the first to use its weapons against some Mai Mai group. South African special forces were further ahead of the two FIB companies which each backed a FARDC battalion,behind this companies a Tanzanian artillery battery was stationed. .....................1.Biafra was a small country 2. With Small army in terms of numbers But how long did it take Nigeria to defeat it?...How many Nigerian soldiers were killed compared to the Biafrans? Taking many casualties than your enemy shows ill training.

yet you wrote all these stories while ignoring the fact that m23 is just a small rebel group whose defeat started from when Rwanda and Uganda withdrew support for them.

all you keep doing is making noise with nothing to backup your noise with. south African brain on display.

Mike..ZA:
A jet that was used to shoot down a MIG-21,Nigeria still flies a copy of this jet. It even shoot down MI-24 helicopters which Nigeria flies. South Africa didn't enjoy air superiority cause of the appearance of the MIG-23,but fought well wiping out entire battalions and brigades. SA artillery crews showing how well trained they were camouflaged their G5 and G6 guns,using the "shoot and scoot" tactic avoided air strikes destroying their equipment. NO missile was ever shoot against a Nigerian jet.

excuses. excuses. now it's excuses why Cuba maintained air superiority over you? you seem to talk too much and think less.

you know the only thing you'vr managed to successfully brag about in this war is your long range artillery gun that could not even win you the war. not even a good marker since then.

that leaves much to be answered. don't you think?

Mike..ZA:
You wanna measure victory by the number of equipment that was captured?.....South African captured many T-55 MBTs that the South African army is still using today as practice targets+Chinese rocket launchers the special forces are still using this ones+ Advanced SAM systems+RPGs(in great numbers). Tiny Cuba defeated the USA. South Africa made them realise that prolonging the war was gonna be costly in blood and fought on divisional scale when they called up 140 000 soldiers.

hahahahahahaha. did you say tiny Cuba defeated USA just to console yourself that such an inexperienced army took you to class for more than ten years. please give us proof where Cuba fought US in a conventional war and stop this your stories abeg.

point of correction, tiny Cuba defeated SA and made you abandon Angola the way you fled from CAR. already proved several times. funny clowns

CraigB:

Ah! we now wrote three paragraphs?!

Not sure whether you want to cry or cum laude or whimper off in silence, is it?

Eitherway, you've now lost yourself in strategy and are chasing your own tail.

You left the facts or rather, the "F" behind. Three posts ago. There's no running away from that.

Six months has become 12 and there's no end in sight.

I must confess. I'm not so good at consoling a heavy heart. so uncle will hold on to his gala until baby stops crying.

CraigB:

And not even a single attempt at denying

you see what I mean? this is what too much weeping does to someone. it can cause blindness. wipe your tears and read comments carefully before rushing to respond.

CraigB:

And your getting fainter and fainter.

Counter-intuitive for a loud Naai-gerian.

Body punches do that to an ignorant loudmouth.

"F" for your military. The loser-itary of Naai-geria. All the pages on the thread have been a waste. When it comes down to it, your soldiers cannot wrap up a mission.

there's my boy. take a deep breath.
calm down.

wipe your tears.

uncle will take care of you. do you want bobo and gala?
I'll buy them for you if you stop weeping. I promise

agaugust:


since your own definition above says conventional warfare is between two states/nations, then is M23 Rebel force a nation ?

Biafra is a nation with a head of state, national currency, international recognition by France, South Africa, Israel, and many others, a separate economy, banking sector, university, law/legal system and judiciary, etc.

now you have finally shot yourself in the foot on the issue of nigeria not having ever fought a conventional war, because Biafran war qualifies, but M23 war does NOT qualify as conventional.

see. mad man, Biafra will wipe out M23 rebels in 6 hours, i mean six hours of battle from 8 AM to 2 PM, you hear me ? fool !

.

my brother that is south Africans for you. a country of fake interpreters. they read one thing and think another. even their government recognizes such traits.

CraigB:

Yes - that's all you can do sympathise. Accusing me of lying? C'est impossible.

I weep.

And the loser-itary of Naai-geria? Oh! They still get an F.

Fail.

and his wailing gets louder. firing empty cannons. pity

Mike..ZA:
M23 had AA guns. what was used to fire at the UN helicopters?..They even had the praga. M23 had more than ten tanks 4 of them were destroyed by Tanzanian artillery(D30) strikes. Is a fact that Nigeria has never battled an enemy well armed like M23. Now here's definition of conventional warfare: OPENLY CONFRONTING THE FOE------»
"Conventional warfare is a form of warfare
conducted by using conventional military
weapons and battlefield tactics between two or
more states in open confrontation. The forces
on each side are well-defined, and fight using
weapons that primarily target the opposing
army.".....5000-6000 is a brigade.

it's funny how well you defined it. but yet deny Nigeria ever fought one. when Liberia, biafra, SL, chad, Cameroon should be case studies.

like I said, you are just a baseless noise maker. all talk and no truth. that's the definition of a south aftican

CraigB:

Yes - accusing me of lying not being possible.

Where it matters most, the loser-itary gets and F.

Fail.

oh please, I was only sympathizing with a weeping tom. you confirmed your tears yourself didn't you

Mike..ZA:
Maybe you're misunderstanding the term "conventional warfare",SANDF+TDF fought a conventional warfare style battles with the M23. Which possessed tanks,artillery,mortars,vehicles,AA guns,MRLS and other chinese rockets. Your army has never seen no action. SPINELESS army that has never fired counter battery artillery strikes.

you are a very funny cow. you call fighting a weak rebel group of less than 5000 men, no anti aircraft missiles and AA guns, less than 10 tanks, no IFV, no aircraft nor helicopter, no standard artillery a conventional warfare?

madness is really abundant in SA. what's your own excuse? are you seeing demons too?

you are indeed a gameboy. I'll just keep skipping past you till you talk some sense.

CraigB:
I weep.

keep weeping. coz your dementia has only just begun.

drag_on:

Damen is a Dutch Multinational company.

http://www.damen.com/en/companies

"Damen Shipyards Group is firmly based in The Netherlands with strong global presence and dedication."

bless you my brother. the 1diot is so jealous he doesn't even know how confused he is.

and those ships are not even built on South African soil

Fighter Pilot: http://www.damen.com/en/companies/damen-shipyards-cape-town

Naai-jeria does not manufacture anything better than SA. You can never compare the two since SA is a fully industrialised country and "Naai"-jeria is not. Fact!!

I think the fact that Nigeria is able to manufacture some of it's weapons on it's own really bites you stup1d south Africans. you never thought any African country would be able to measure up right.

we are coming up. keep doubting at the expense of your own ignorance.

Fighter Pilot:


Thanks to China.

Have a look on this:

http://www.damen.com/en/companies/damen-shipyards-cape-town

you are a real donkey. mumu

did SA grow it's defence industry alone? from your attack chopper to the new badger IFV have foreign inputs.

fact is Nigeria is the first country in Africa to build a stealth warship locally. take i :Pt in slowly even if it kills you

don't let envy kill you my guy. just sit back and watch Nigeria grow to overtake you.

rka1:

What evidence my low grade lawyer boy?

evidence of NA torturing boko haram

and he thinks that will anger anyone. the boy na real jonzing kitten

rka1:

What makes you think the picture is painful? We love it. Please provide more of tortured BH terrorists. Shows they are getting captured by the Mighty Nigerian military, which is what we have been saying all along.

the boy is paranoid i tell you. he doesn't even read meaning to what he posts. very foolish pig

i go make am sweat for here. he go browse tire today

CraigB: Ah! Now, if Cameroon want to have their villagers murdered, they will agree to this deal.

Or perhaps, the useless Naai-gerians will be told no-can-do, unless they operate under the tutelage of France. With their hearts bleeding after the loss of Bakassi, who knows what the failed and ill-disciplined military of Naai-geria might do.

Nigeria seeks deal to hunt Boko Haram inside Cameroon

http://www.worldbulletin.net/?aType=haber&ArticleID=125754

Nigeria is negotiating a security agreement with Cameroon and France to grant its troops access to Boko Haram settlement in the former French colony, which officials claim has become the new haven for the fighters.
"It is discovered that Boko Haram terrorists now launch attacks on Nigeria from their hideouts in villages located on the Cameroonian side of the border," a Defense Ministry official told Anadolu Agency on Thursday, requesting anonymity for the sensitivity of the issue.
"It is for this reason that we are seeking an agreement with Cameroon and France which still maintains some military outpost in its former colony to enable our troops to, where and when necessary, chase these terrorists down to their haven," he added.

oh my... this boy will kill me with his foolishness. good to see that you are digging deeper as to how we are planning to end this once and for all.

dat'll do pig... dat'll do. i like this

CraigB:


Psyching ourselves up, are we?

You'll have to do better than that, Chris.

Step one: engage brain. Then, you might have a chance of even so much as glazing me. I don't have time for empty posts from a hurt Naai-gerian. I deal with facts. And you have none. So, scratched out are your posts.

Run along now.

In the meantime, speaking of facts, your "mighty (not)" soldiers are in hot pursuit of Boko Haram, trying to get the loves of their lives back.

When will the "mighty (not)" soldiers get their ladies back? Today, tomorrow? Next year? Never?

A group of failures, these are.

Rankings rearranged. Naai-gerian military. Naai-gerian who?

_______


Nigerian extremists abduct soldiers' wives, kids


MAIDUGURI, Nigeria (AP) — Nigeria's military is in hot pursuit of Islamic extremists who abducted soldiers' wives and children when they attacked a barracks in northeast Nigeria, witnesses said Tuesday.

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The bodies of presumed terrorists killed in Friday's attack on a tank battalion in Bama town are rotting in the desert heat but residents say they are too scared to bury them.

"The corpses are beginning to smell, there are many corpses lying out there in the bush ... but no one dares touch them, lest you are labeled a relation or collaborator," said resident Babagana Bama.

Defense Ministry spokesman Maj. Gen. Chris Olukolade said security forces have killed at least 50 insurgents in an ongoing operation to catch the attackers. Fifteen soldiers and five civilians died in Friday's attack on a tank battalion in Bama and in the pursuit, he said in a statement.

"Intensive cordon and search operations are still ongoing to fish out the insurgents who might be lurking around communities in the area," Olukolade said.

Bama said the extremists "abducted many women and children and took them away."

Seizing relatives is also practiced by the other side. Nigeria's military routinely detains relatives of suspects, sometimes holding them hostage if a wanted person does not give himself up. The leader of the Boko Haram terrorist network, Abubakar Shekau, has repeatedly warned that they will retaliate with kidnappings of the family of security forces.

Dozens of wives and children of the insurgents were illegally detained for months and then released in May, when the government was trying to negotiate an amnesty. No agreement was reached and Shekau has said he will not negotiate with "infidels," or non-believers. He says he is fighting to impose Islamic law across Nigeria, Africa's most populous nation of more than 160 million people almost equally divided between the predominantly Muslim north and mainly Christian south.

Thousands of Muslims and Christians have been killed in the uprising, which poses the most serious threat to the security and cohesion of Africa's biggest oil producer since the civil war to create a separate state of Biafra in the 1960s.

Olukolade said the attackers came across the border from Cameroon. Fighters from Cameroon, Niger and Chad have been caught fighting alongside the Nigerian insurgents, the military has said, raising fears the insurgency could spread.

Friday's attack was stopped when the air force scrambled a jet fighter that strafed the insurgents, witnesses said. But not before the attackers set the entire complex ablaze, bombing buildings with improvised explosive devices, they said.

It was the second major attack on military installations this month. On Dec. 2, hundreds of fighters simultaneously overran an air force base and a military barracks a kilometer (nearly a mile) away on the outskirts of Maiduguri, the Borno state capital that is the birthplace of Boko Haram and at the heart of a military campaign using draconian emergency powers to try to put down the 4-year-old Islamic uprising.

Such attacks raise questions about military claims that they have the upper hand in the conflict. Security forces in the first few weeks of a state of emergency declared in May forced most fighters out of major urban areas, but they have been unable to dislodge them from a forested national park and mountainous areas with caves where they have been hiding out.

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and you believe you are applying brains by repeating the same headlines with different stories? very factual indeed craig. very factual

careful. cos if you keep repeating the same thing over and over again. the it's paranoia at play.

CraigB:

Empty post dealt with accordingly. There's nothing in there.

Scratched out.

defeated. that's how he ends it when he's boxed in a corner please don't runaway yet. i'm not done having fun.

i hope for your sake you get help sha.

holla at me when you are done recuperating aight!

NaijaPikinGidi:

Nail biting moments of decision over the past few weeks! Strike inside of Cameroun or not. The option is getting more traction internally!

Biya doesn't know he's playing with fire. with CAR crisis in the south and boko haram in the north, it's only a matter of time before it gets to his turn by the time Nigeria has frustrated boko haram to shift attention to supporting local islamist militias in cameroon. i go swear for our government if them show concern.

Fighter Pilot:

Then, it proves to me that you didnt read the link.

it means you don't understand the link you posted.

Fighter Pilot:

Those are not junks, they are still fully functional to date.

South Africa is leading satellites game in Africa.
http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-32787/

your link only talks of an ice cube wheather satellite. show proof that you previously launched satellites are still functioning till date or remain an ignoramus.

meanwhile, Nigeria is due to launch another satellite with military applications built by Nigerian engineers soon.

Fighter Pilot:

That is the truth my friend, go and ask economists. After rebasing all the figures will be new and that will have a serious impact on economic growth.

the point is after rebasing, it will overtake your economy to he the biggest in Africa.

and with a low debt to GDP ratio and a continuous growth of 6-7, continuous investment in infrastructure to attract FDI etc.. it is definitely going to portray Nigeria as an emerging market and the biggest in Africa since SA GDP keeps slowing.

so yes it will affect it but not on a negative outlook.

enlighten yourself boy.

Fighter Pilot:

SA has three confirmed and fully fuctional satellites orbirting the earth. Believe it or not.

point of correction. space hunks. not satellites.

gosh. are you really this ignorant

Fighter Pilot:

SA has three confirmed and fully fuctional satellites orbirting the earth. Believe it or not.

point of correction. space hunks. not satellites.

gosh. are you really this ignorant

Fighter Pilot:

Unfortunately, such a snail pace procedure will only target high profile members of BH. Do you think that the whole force of insurgents can ever stand trial for all the crimes they have committed? Come on, that will never happen.

you keep sounding more confused than ever. and at this point I'm not going to play into your mental instability. everytime your ignorance is exposed, you change the tone shamelessly. is this a norm in SA?

I have given you enough proof that Nigeria is very capable of prosecuting terrorist crimes whether by boko haram or any other group. we have the law in place.

how slow they are being prosecuted is just a sign that they are being given a fair trial. and that procedure of prosecution is nothing new to SA justice system. so stop the foolishness.

read your previous comment and see how foolish you make yourself.

Fighter Pilot:

Do you by any way think that the BH boys can be prosecuted by any court in Nigeria .

Fighter Pilot: One of the major disadvantages of rebasing the economy is that the effects will reduce the economic growth by more than half.

seriously. stop blabbing

Fighter Pilot:

There is still huge difference between war crimes and murder which is prosecutable by the just ordinary court of law. Do you by any way think that the BH boys can be prosecuted by any court in Nigeria for all the crimes to humanity they have committed. Murder in SA is prosecutable and recorded in crime stats.

crime is crime. and as long as a country has laws to prosecute such crime which is either robbery, murder or terrorism, then you have no reason to display your ignorance here. not all crimes in SA are prosecuted. murderers still roam freely and still keep you on number one spot of murder rate.

www.punchng.com/news/boko-haram-kingpin-kabiru-sokoto-jailed-for-life/

www.vanguardngr.com/2013/07/4-boko-haram-members-sentenced-to-life-imprisonment/

many are still facing trials.

like I said, you people know nothing about Nigeria. and it make you clowns with big mouths

you should just simply beg for information instead of foolishly threading the path of willful ignorance like you comrade craigpig.