Travel / Re: General German Student Visa Enquiries Part 5 by Neyeko: 11:21pm On Feb 02, 2019 |
I understand why you feel this way, but you should avoid thinking like that. The lengthy process for getting a student visa to Germany is unique to Nigeria (and maybe a few other countries). Other international students here didn't have the same visa experience I had. Most of them got their appointments and visas within 2 weeks to a month after they got their admission letters. The delay for Nigerians might possibly come from the difficulty of verifying our documents and identities. We don't have a national identity scheme that allows them to quickly verify that we are who we say we are, or that we are telling the truth. So don't think that they don't want international students, or that they are trying to make things difficult. Germany is just a very rule driven country and deadlines are taken very seriously, they are not used to making accommodations for less organized countries (and it's not by force, they adjust for us) especially since other international students don't have this same issue. Bamstar007: I just feel some of these schools don’t want international students or purposely make things difficult, 8 weeks to their enrollment deadline and knowing they won’t extend it even for a day they have not sent admission results at all. They obviously know most wont meet up with the visa processing even if they are given admission 3 Likes |
Travel / Re: General German Student Visa Enquiries Part 5 by Neyeko: 7:33pm On Nov 22, 2018 |
koonbey:
Uhmm Sir... Courts don't void contracts for being "exploitative" unless there was misrepresentation or a mistake (those two terms are in the legal context, not dictionary meaning). It is the parties' responsibility to conduct due diligence and it is a settled principle of law that courts should not wade into attempting to set contractual terms for parties. That's what I mean, these agents often misrepresent the services they are offering. And as for the meaning of those terms I'm not sure about all legal systems. But it's often up to the judge to decide if there's a valid case or not. |
Travel / Re: General German Student Visa Enquiries Part 5 by Neyeko: 11:53pm On Nov 21, 2018 |
Neyeko:
You said it yourself, they 'claim' that it's complicated. They misinform people and charge theses high prices while they don't do that much. Also, it's not always that people don't want to work. A lot of people just don't know and they are intimidated and scared of failure. Then these agents prey on these fears. We know the educational system in Nigeria is horrible and the average level of exposure is low along with the literacy level. We're used to things not working, so people try to look for security wherever they can.
When I say it's ridiculous, I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I know it happens all over the country. I'm saying it's not right, the price they charge should be proportional to the work they do. Now if that 300k included German classes, I wouldn't complain. If the price was 100k, I might be able to believe they can justify it.
Just because something is happening everywhere, doesn't mean it's right. That's one thing I wish we could all fight against as a country. |
Travel / Re: General German Student Visa Enquiries Part 5 by Neyeko: 11:50pm On Nov 21, 2018 |
heybaby12:
I guess they know ppl don't want to work so they do the work for you, early this year I and my friend went round port Harcourt and we saw different prices, the cheapest was 150k, we saw $500 to $1000. Claiming it's (german school addmision )very complicated and getting embassy slots is impossible. That's why I tell the newbies to read. Nairaland made it possible for both of us.
It's not ridiculous...Ppl charge that much.
You said it yourself, they 'claim' that it's complicated. They misinform people and charge theses high prices while they don't do that much. When I say it's ridiculous, I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I know it happens all over the country. I'm saying it's not right, the price they charge should be proportional to the work they do. Now if that 300k included German classes, I wouldn't complain. If the price was 100k, I might be able to believe they can justify it. Just because something is happening everywhere, doesn't mean it's right. That's one thing I wish we could all fight against as a country. 1 Like |
Travel / Re: General German Student Visa Enquiries Part 5 by Neyeko: 10:36pm On Nov 21, 2018 |
Obinnalex:
I want to understnd something. Lets analyze this situation. Your friend is in this forum as you said with access to Information and help from people here. Yet she decided to use an agent. The agent told her 300k for admission into Germany. She agreed to it, she didn’t consult anybody to know if the price range is reasonable. Now, she got admission which means the agent kept to his own side of agreement. The agent wants to get his full balance but she refused meanwhile they had an agreement. You are now calling the agent a scammer. Do you even know the meaning of a scammer ?
This shows you have a very low local mentality and if you and your so called friend doesn’t try to change it. I feel you guys will end of regretting it. You are talking about enthics. Here in berlin, I paid for a single room apartment for 512euros. I paid from Nigeria. So i arrived germany and saw that some people actually pay less than that amount in some hostels in Berlin. I realized that my hostel is more expensive than the others. I went for the expensive one because i was desperate and in need of accommodation b4 i arrive berlin.
Do you expect me to start calling my landlord a scammer because his hostel charges more than the others in berlin and he should refund me after we made an agreement?
Nobody gives a Bleep about enthics, whether in Nigeria or Germany. Its called business. The government won’t stop my landlord from fixing high price for his hostels. Its your choice whether to pay or not and make a contract once you pay. The problem in Nigeria is that we are not in the habit of making contracts. If that agent made a contract and your friend refused to pay up. Do you know she will be sued if she was in germany ?
So please next time you talk, try to be reasonable. Don’t come here crying foul after your friend bleeped up.
For you Information, its not only in Nairaland that Information about Germany can be gotten. I joined Nairaland aftter i got admission. So it’s possible that someone esle helped you or guide you during your application. USA and Canada admission is not complicated. You apply directly to their school. The only hard thing about these two countries is visa issues. As far as you have good result, getting admission in USA or canada is the easiest of them all. There is no much competition unlike Germany were millions of people apply to a single course all bcus of tuition free.
Stop being a fool and accept the mistake your friend made. Pay the poor agent his money and get the admission letter. You and your friend are the real scammers here.
This is very funny, I'm not even the original poster and see how you're insulting me. All I'm saying is that I don't know the whole story and neither do you. The fact that you couldn't even be bothered to check if I was the person who posted originally tells me you just got incensed and you are not a thorough thinker. Nobody helped me with any admission, and I still say Germany was the easiest of all. It's just my personal opinion, it's not an absolute truth. All I'm saying is don't make generalized remarks like "admission to German universities is the hardest" because that's just your personal experience. Why is it so hard for you to accept that some people are capable enough to do things without some third party help? You're also misunderstanding something else, My issue here is not whether the person who is complaining worked hard or not. I don't know them so I can't say much about that. I'm saying the price 300k is a ridiculous amount to charge for putting some documents in an envelope and mailing them. Governments around the world try to stop things like this, that's why they do things like regulating monopolies so that companies can't charge outrageous prices. (So they do care about ethics, sorry to dissappoint you). Of course it's much harder to regulate more personal transactions between two individuals and that's where people come with your 'business' and take advantage of people. Also contracts won't save you, if a contract is one-sided or clearly exploitative it can be voided in a court. (Feel free to do your own research on this). So your landlord isn't wrong for charging more, that's business. The profit margin is acceptable. But if he started charging 2000 euros for that single room apartment and preying on desperate international students and locking them into contracts, he would get into trouble. So the girl who is complaining would not be sued in Germany, the agent would be told to defend his charges and prove that he put N300000 worth of work into her admission process. Should the agent give her the admission letter? That's up to him. Should she get her money back? Nope, that's also up to the agent. But should she pay up the balance for this exploitative service? Nope. Also I hope you realize that Germany isn't even in the top 3 destinations for international students so this tough competition you're imagining isn't real (They have approximately 250 000 international students per year compared to America's more that 1000000). Of course with the exception of restricted courses. Germany is searching for people, they need skilled workers. They even recently leveled the hiring ground between German, EU and foreign students. We're all on equal footing (according to the law at least) Anyway let me take my foolish unreasonable scamming self, with my low local mentality and leave this place (wao, only me has carried all of this). You will learn on your own that the rest of the world is not as lawless as you think. I know I won't convince you, but I don't want to leave your words here to potentially corrupt someone else's mind. Let people see two opposing sides and decide for themselves what they think is the truth. Have a lovely day ![smiley](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/smiley.png) 21 Likes 1 Share |
Travel / Re: General German Student Visa Enquiries Part 5 by Neyeko: 2:18pm On Nov 19, 2018 |
Obinnalex:
German admission is the hardest. Germany is not like UK or USA, that once you have the money to pay fees they will sharply admit you. Even if you have a low grade. But to get into a german university, you need a good grade. German Universities are tuition free that’s why people all over the word apply to Germany and admission is difficult due to the high number of applicants. Especially if you are applying for a course that is highly in demand. Why do you think many people go for bachelors instead of masters, its all because of not being able to get admitted for a masters course.
People tend to apply for a course that is not highly in demand and not related to their bachelors all because they want to leave Nigeria.
So please don’t say getting admission in Germany is easy, it’s actually the most difficult and very stressful process.
I want to know how exactly your friend was scammed, someone help him/her to get admission and all the processes associated with admission. They both agreed on a payment and the person fullfilled his side of the bargain by getting your friend an admission. So please explain how exactly is it a scam ? It will be a scam when your friend doesn’t get admission and the agent is asking for the money, that is when you will say its a scam.
Your friend is very wrong by not paying up the money. She is lazy for not trying to start from page one of this page to know how to apply and get admission cus all the information needed is here and alot of people are willing to help her for free but she decided to follow the easy way out by paying someone to help her. So it’s definitely her fault and she is wrong for not paying up the agent.
The process involved in getting admission in germany is very stressful. We all know it. Am in Berlin now and i know what i went through to be here. I know how many rejection letters i got b4 getting admission. Unlike UK that will immediately give you admission so you can waste your money on them.
Tell your friend to do the needful and pay up. She wasn’t scammed. Someone did all the stressful work for her and she got admission. I wonder how you will call that a SCAM. If it was in Germany, your friend will be arrested for breach of contract because this was an agreement and the agent did his part. She should bear the cross and pay up and i hope others will not be as lazy as her and learn to do things themselves.
SO PLEASE DONT SAY GETTING GERMAN ADMISSION FOR A COURSE YOU REALLY WANT IS EASY. BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW ITS NOT EASY.
GOdbless
I just want to say that this is not even close to being true. I've gone to school in America, Canada and Germany. I processed all the admissions by myself. And I can tell you now that America has the most complicated restrictive process. Canada is simpler and Germany is the most straightforward. I started and finished my application within one week of the deadline. Got admission, booked my appointment, funded my account and did everything that needed to be done (without reading the almighty Nairaland thread that you are using to insult someone). You don't even know anything about the person and you have the gall to call them lazy? You need to get off your high horse. just because you read one thread on the internet you think you are more diligent than the person in question? You can help people without insulting them. As for the scam. If I sell a loaf of bread for N50000 and my neighbor sells it for N50 and we bought it for N20 you will call that business shey? Have you never heard of business ethics? There is a margin of profit that is acceptable, after that it becomes exploitation. It's because of people like you that this country is falling to pieces. You applaud 'smart' people that take advantage of others and call it 'business' then you cry when politicians make life hard for the common Nigerian. Guess what, that's just 'business' too. 17 Likes 1 Share |
Travel / Re: General German Student Visa Enquiries Part 4 by Neyeko: 2:35pm On Jun 07, 2018 |
Kryptomeniac:
Good to know, when did u apply for the interview please? I sent the email on the 5th and got a reply on the 6th. My appointment is on the 16th of August. |
Travel / Re: General German Student Visa Enquiries Part 4 by Neyeko: 2:28pm On Jun 07, 2018 |
Kryptomeniac: Goodday everyone. Gurus here i need ur advice Still on booking of interview appointment, I have booked twice now with my main Email address and Ogun state address. No reply from embassy. Enrollment deadline is 11th Oct. The last booking was early morning Tuesday, same time I wrote my school for extension of deadline. That's the mail I just got in reply to the extension of enrollment deadline. Now the question is, how can I use this reply to convince embassy as to consider giving me date for interview . I plan to book again with abj address and different mail address from the first Email I used to apply ( na this email too school dey use communicate with me)....... You don't need an extension letter. I got my appointment yesterday and my enrollment deadline is October 1st 2 Likes |