Atheism is a mental illness because it is nothing more than a cry for attention. The truth is atheism is a false idea because it is based on the false premise that orderliness does not require intelligent direction.

Every argument with an atheist ends with this point. They can not overcome this one point, no matter how hard they try. I sometimes like visiting the James Randi Educational Foundation website just to duel with atheists. The JREF website is absolutely full of atheists from America, Canada, the UK, and other countries.

Most of these atheists are extremely intelligent people, highly educated, and passionate about being an atheist, denying the existence of God, and viciously ridiculing folks like me who challenge their false belief.

In reality, most of these people, claiming to be atheists, are really simply protesting against organized religion. I can understand their feelings of resentment and hostility towards organized religion because organized religion has been responsible for so much pain and suffering for so long.

However, when they deny the existence of the intelligence necessary to produce the order all around us in plain view, I have to challenge this false belief. Sometimes their arrogance and vicious sarcasm makes you want to scream, but I find dueling with atheists has made me a more patient, accepting, and loving person. It forces you to work on your ability to be patient in the face of real ugliness.

It's a lot like the old priest counselling the young priest in the movie The Exorcist. He told him the Devil would really try to make him so angry he would lose his cool. Therefore, the old priest advised the young priest to be patient, accepting, and calm in the face of the Devil's vicious ugliness.

Atheists like to resort to their superior understanding of evolution and natural selection to explain how orderliness was established. They scoff at the notion that highly sophisticated, enormously complex systems and organisms could have possibly required any intelligent direction from some supreme being or intelligent designer. Please.

I ask them to give me a single example of anything, outside of what they call nature, that came into being without intelligent direction. Of course, they can not. Everything manufactured by man required intelligent direction, right? Of course.

They all believe that nature just happened by luck, by some totally mindless and random action of billions and billions of particles, travelling at high speeds, colliding together over billions and billions of years, and there you have it, NATURE.

They ask, "Well if there is an intelligent being responsible for the universe, nature, and everything else, then where did it originate? Who or what produced this God of yours?

Of course, I don't know all the answers. Most believe this intelligence we call God has always been here. But this is not the argument, is it? When you have them against the ropes, pounding on them real good, they try to change the argument. I just keep going back to my strength, the one thing I do know is that ORDER REQUIRES INTELLIGENT DIRECTION. It is really nothing more than common sense.

This is the key to holding your own with even the most intelligent, well educated atheist. This key point really pisses them off because they simply can't figure out how to overcome it. Therefore, Intelligent Design is the only reasonable explanation for Nature, not some intelligence-free, mindless form of evolution.

Where this Intelligent Designer came from, how it originated, I don't know. But again, all you need to know to establish the fact that atheism is a false idea is to know that ORDER REQUIRES INTELLIGENT DIRECTION.

So, if you find yourself in a duel with an atheist, you can not lose. Just remain calm and stick to your guns. Generally, if you simply hold their feet to the fire and stick to this one point, the atheist will resort to name calling and quit first. It's like throwing holy water on Satan. It's fun!

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Hello Sa,

That Intelligence you refer to is definitely called Sussicorn (Respect), creator of all and one.

What is the meaning of this?
The writer of that article is really foolish and you blacksta are a simple nit-wit seeking attention for posting this rubbish.

''Order requires intelligent direction'' my arse!
When sedimentary rocks {which sometimes have neatly arranged layers one on top another} are formed i guess its you blacksta who directs it. . .shio!
Pls look for something better to post rather than recycling dumb nonsense from morons. . .

What do you say about nichilism then?

Come to think of it what exactly do they regard as order?

If an artist carves a huge mountain into a face i guess thats intelligent design. . . .what if the forces of weather and climate erode a rock over time it at a point resembles a face would that be called intelligent design too?

Tudór:

Come to think of it what exactly do they regard as order?

If an artist carves a huge mountain into a face i guess thats intelligent design. . . .what if the forces of weather and climate erode a rock over time it at a point resembles a face would that be called intelligent design too?

I think you asked the key question - which is : [size=14pt]By what means does he come to know and assert that "ORDER REQUIRES INTELLIGENT DIRECTION"?[/size]

Tudór:

Come to think of it what exactly do they regard as order?

If an artist carves a huge mountain into a face i guess thats intelligent design. . . .what if the forces of weather and climate erode a rock over time it at a point resembles a face would that be called intelligent design too?

Is not interesting that the Human compostion is to complex to be tagged as spontenous combustion -

in relation to the shaded text - all i say it is out of context. it could be that the Artist inherited the intelligence from a Higher being.

blacksta:

Is not interesting that the Human compostion is to complex to be tagged as spontenous combustion -

in relation to the shaded text - all i say it is out of context. it could be that the Artist inherited the intelligence from a Higher being.

What the hell is the above nonsense? I thought we were going to see Intelligent debate from you, and unsurprisingly, we are just getting the same inane stuff from the cesspit of theism.

I understand why people look what they see around and just be completely amazed and stunned by what exists, but what i don't understand is why people always have to concoct invisible magical men in the sky to explain this overwhelming beauty and wonder that we see around us.

Worst of all those invisible magical men  are always more inexplicable than that which they allegedly explain, defeating the purpose of their concoction in the first place. They can't see that their beliefs are just the mythology of tomorrow, greater than 95% of the god's ever believed in explained the wonders and the complications of the world and are now mythology. Thousands of years later people still don't get it that magical men that never existed never created anything, and continue to make up new ones so they don't have to say "I don't know".

The universe makes the abrahamic god too small and insignificant.

@blacksta
I'm guessing it could also be that weather and climate inherited intelligence from a higher being too. . . Right?

Hello Mr blacksta,

While you are thinking, we would like you to consider the following:

1)  What do you mean by the term "ORDER"?

2) How do you come to know and assert that "ORDER REQUIRES INTELLIGENT DIRECTION"?

3) Does any of the so-called holy books pontificates on things like "ORDER"?

All the best.

Atheists like to resort to their superior understanding of evolution and natural selection to explain how orderliness was established. They scoff at the notion that highly sophisticated, enormously complex systems and organisms could have possibly required any intelligent direction from some supreme being or intelligent designer. Please

the concept of intelligent design has already being ridiculed.

bawomolo:

the concept of intelligent design has already being ridiculed.

just like evolution has been torn apart.

noetic2:

just like evolution has been torn apart.

By whom? So far it remains unfalsified, and the theory of evolution is largely the same in that regard - unfalsified.

Christians are the most complex people of any who discuss the Bible. They pose the most difficult challenges in religious communications because they make a wide variety of mistakes when they interact with those of differing beliefs. This is primarily a result of their unique religious philosophy. Christians presume that everyone they associate with has a moral obligation to have the same religious feelings that they do. They firmly believe that others who hold differing opinions are either uninformed or confused and are unable to correctly interpret biblical writings without guidance and insight. Christians never consider that other people's beliefs might be as valid as their own. This is the most insulting characteristic a Christian portrays. He begins interactions with skeptics and analysts with the preconceived attitude that he has all the answers and the other person is ignorant.

KAG:

By whom? So far it remains unfalsified, and the theory of evolution is largely the same in that regard - unfalsified.

are u alien to the realities of nairaland? how many of the posers raised against evolution have u or ur band mates been able to answer?

If being a religious fanatic is considered a mental disorder then perhaps genes could be passed down rendering a person predisposed to religion. If we put our emotions aside for a second we might consider the fact that it does seem outrageous to believe in something without any physical evidence. People who claim to see and converse with spirits, monsters, aliens, ghosts etc., are freely admitted to asylums without hesitation. Religious fanaticism could be labeled as obsessive compulsive disorder.

noetic2:

are u alien to the realities of nairaland? how many of the posers raised against evolution have u or ur band mates been able to answer?

About evolution? None. I also seem to remember asking you - on more than one occasion, I might add - to start a thread with those questions (I guess you're calling them "posers" now. Very apt) and I'd participate if you would. As I recall, your response was the equivalent of a limp wrist and a pathetic slinking away. So much for tearing apart.

Incidentally, you do realise that simply, indiscriminately throwing questions at posters isn't the way a theory is "torn apart". If it was anyone duplicitous enough could claim that a Muslim playing twenty questions on Nairaland has disproved Christianity.

KAG:

About evolution? None. I also seem to remember asking you - on more than one occasion, I might add - to start a thread with those questions (I guess you're calling them "posers" now. Very apt) and I'd participate if you would. As I recall, your response was the equivalent of a limp wrist and a pathetic slinking away. So much for tearing apart.

Incidentally, you do realise that simply, indiscriminately throwing questions at posters isn't the way a theory is "torn apart". If it was anyone duplicitous enough could claim that a Muslim playing twenty questions on Nairaland has disproved Christianity.

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I tire for them noetic oh

KAG:

About evolution? None. I also seem to remember asking you - on more than one occasion, I might add - to start a thread with those questions (I guess you're calling them "posers" now. Very apt) and I'd participate if you would. As I recall, your response was the equivalent of a limp wrist and a pathetic slinking away. So much for tearing apart.

Incidentally, you do realise that simply, indiscriminately throwing questions at posters isn't the way a theory is "torn apart". If it was anyone duplicitous enough could claim that a Muslim playing twenty questions on Nairaland has disproved Christianity.

whats the different between posers and a questions? another way of running round in circles.


I am taking up ur challenge. Please expect a detailed thread soon.

Infact what happened to the numerous other threads where u and ur band mates, shamelessly carried ur tail under ur hands and ran away?

@ KAG u can start by answering the evolution related questions in the OP here: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-279631.0.html

noetic2:

@ KAG u can start by answering the evolution related questions in the OP here: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-279631.0.html

Engaging neotic is a waste of time I must say, How do you start engaging a person that believes that the stars in the sky fought along side men in battles because yahweh turned them into warriors that shot fire balls from the sky against his enemies. This same deluded person turns around and laughs at the moslems for believing that their prophet divided the moon into two and the moon bowed down to him. Whats the difference? You ridiculously believe that stars fought wars along side men, they also ridiculously believe the moon was divided in to two.

toneyb:

Engaging neotic is a waste of time I must say, How do you start engaging a person that believes that the stars in the sky fought along side men in battles because yahweh turned them into warriors that shot fire balls from the sky against his enemies. This same deluded person turns around and laughs at the moslems for believing that their prophet divided the moon into two and the moon bowed down to him. Whats the difference? You ridiculously [b]believe that stars fought wars along side men, [/b]they also ridiculously believe the moon was divided in to two.

where in my post have I ever said any of this? Toneyb lying is not allowed.

noetic2:

@ KAG u can start by answering the evolution related questions in the OP here: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-279631.0.html

Hey, just in case you missed it the last few times it appeared:

start a thread with those "pertinent questions" and time willing, I'll participate. The conditions were and still are: "Don't duck out of questions when I ask them in return, and don't try to simply handwave away any of my responses - basically, engage actively with the contents of any potential responses. I'll also promise to do the same. Deal?"

noetic2:

whats the different between posers and a questions? another way of running round in circles.

I am taking up ur challenge. Please expect a detailed thread soon.

With all due respect - meaning none, I guess - you're not a very bright lad. Look up the other meanings of "poser" and you'll know why it serves as an excellent pun for what you do.

Anyway, so much for taking up the challenge, eh?

toneyb:

Engaging neotic is a waste of time I must say, How do you start engaging a person that believes that the stars in the sky fought along side men in battles because yahweh turned them into warriors that shot fire balls from the sky against his enemies. This same deluded person turns around and laughs at the moslems for believing that their prophet divided the moon into two and the moon bowed down to him. Whats the difference? You ridiculously believe that stars fought wars along side men, they also ridiculously believe the moon was divided in to two.

That's a good point. Although, I see he disputes that he believes that. We'll see.

All this Atheist sef - the fact that u r all hell bound - please dont drag others with u

One thing i find intresting about this fallen people - Why do they attack xtians. Please try and respect others belief.

KAG:

Hey, just in case you missed it the last few times it appeared:

start a thread with those "pertinent questions" and time willing, I'll participate. The conditions were and still are: "Don't duck out of questions when I ask them in return, and don't try to simply handwave away any of my responses - basically, engage actively with the contents of any potential responses. I'll also promise to do the same. Deal?"



Anyway, so much for taking up the challenge, eh?

That's a good point. Although, I see he disputes that he believes that. We'll see.

what stops u from answering the evolution related questions on that thread? u want me to embark on another fruitless journey with u?

just start by answering those questions.

With all due respect - meaning none, I guess - you're not a very bright lad. Look up the other meanings of "poser" and you'll know why it serves as an excellent pun for what you do.

So why did u ignorantly imply initially that they could not mean the same thing? This is annoying.

noetic2:

where in my post have I ever said any of this? Toneyb lying is not allowed.

It is written in the bible unless if you don't believe the bible any more.

toneyb:

It is written in the bible unless if you don't believe the bible any more.

Is this an excuse to LIE on me. lying is very bad.

noetic2:

Is this an excuse to LIE on me. lying is very bad.

Lie on you? don't you believe in what the bible says? Does the bible not say that yahweh made the stars to fight along side his chosen men in a battle?

noetic2:

what stops u from answering the evolution related questions on that thread? u want me to embark on another fruitless journey with u?

just start by answering those questions.

No, start a thread like you said you would, and agree to the simple, fair conditions set. It's not so difficult, and hey, who knows, you might be the one to falsify the theory of evolution.

So why did u ignorantly imply initially that they could not mean the same thing? This is annoying.

Um, I didn't. You might want to read that again. Or you can just fall back on your classic line when flummoxed, shown wrong, etc. :"you didn't even answer my/the question". Your choice.