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| Re: Nigeria: Ghana Plans To Be Major Electricity Exporter To Nigeria, Others by Kelvinj(m): 2:08pm On Aug 05, 2009 |
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| Re: Nigeria: Ghana Plans To Be Major Electricity Exporter To Nigeria, Others by Nobody: 2:09pm On Aug 05, 2009 |
The current plan use to be vice versa, i wonder how ghana found her way thru. In other way, it use to be the norm i.e. (e.g. ) A math teacher who takes on a private lectures with a student and soon the student outways the teacher and got to know even far beyond what the teacher knows in mathematics." This is the situation. |
| Re: Nigeria: Ghana Plans To Be Major Electricity Exporter To Nigeria, Others by Gbawe: 2:15pm On Aug 05, 2009 |
chrisical: While we are touting oxymorons , since Nigeria bashing that ignores fact is now the craze Worldwide, why not invite Ghana's "superior" bankers to teach our banks a thing or two about expanding beyond our borders !!!! Forget the undisputed popularity of Nollywood and our Music industry why do we not beg the "superior" entertainers of Ghana to come and realign our own entertainment industry for success? why not get Ghanaian businessmen , who are not only "superior" but richer and more succesful than their Nigerian counterparts , to come and give Otedola, Dangote, Adenuga et al a 'refresher course' in enterpreneural practices? While we are at it why not apply to have the historic and unmatched achievements of some Nigerian entities like Zinox technologies struck from the annals of history to be replaced by all things Ghanaians? Zinox Technologies Ltd, Sub Saharan Africa's most integrated ICT firm, was launched in 2001 by a team of tested IT technocrats, led by Mr. Leo Stan Ekeh, with a combined experience of over 128 years in different continents. As the foremost IT company to go into an uncharted terrain of Computer production in West Africa, Zinox had Nigeria in mind as it debuted with the first ever Nigerian internationally certified branded computers with the Naira keyboard. The new Zinox Technologies with its strong research and development backbone has developed a variety of uncommon products, that are internationally certified and enough local and international capacities, to support her future expansion and structured growth in other digital solutions areas other than Computer Manufacturing. I agree that it is "shame on Nigeria" with how , politically , we are self-destructively frustrating our own development. We can certainly take lessons from Ghana as regards democratic and electoral practice but the most objective Africans from every corner of our continent will agree that , as regards things that are private and seperate from government activities , Nigeria has very little to learn from anyone. If anything we show initiative other cannot match and are inclined to envy . It is when Politics become involved that ineptitude, corruption, indolence and cluelessness carries the day. |
| Re: Nigeria: Ghana Plans To Be Major Electricity Exporter To Nigeria, Others by Gbawe: 2:20pm On Aug 05, 2009 |
chrisical: While we are touting oxymorons , since Nigeria bashing that ignores fact is now the craze Worldwide, why not invite Ghana's "superior" bankers to teach our banks a thing or two about expanding beyond our borders !!!! Forget the undisputed popularity of Nollywood and our Music industry why do we not beg the "superior" entertainers of Ghana to come and realign our own entertainment industry for success? why not get Ghanaian businessmen , who are not only "superior" but richer and more succesful than their Nigerian counterparts , to come and give Otedola, Dangote, Adenuga et al a 'refresher course' in enterpreneural practices? While we are at it why not apply to have the historic and unmatched achievements of some Nigerian entities like Zinox technologies struck from the annals of history to be replaced by all things Ghanaians? Zinox Technologies Ltd, Sub Saharan Africa's most integrated ICT firm, was launched in 2001 by a team of tested IT technocrats, led by Mr. Leo Stan Ekeh, with a combined experience of over 128 years in different continents. As the foremost IT company to go into an uncharted terrain of Computer production in West Africa, Zinox had Nigeria in mind as it debuted with the first ever Nigerian internationally certified branded computers with the Naira keyboard. The new Zinox Technologies with its strong research and development backbone has developed a variety of uncommon products, that are internationally certified and enough local and international capacities, to support her future expansion and structured growth in other digital solutions areas other than Computer Manufacturing. I agree that it is "shame on Nigeria" with how , politically , we are self-destructively frustrating our own development. We can certainly take lessons from Ghana as regards democratic and electoral practice but the most objective Africans from every corner of our continent will agree that , as regards things that are private and seperate from government activities , Nigeria has very little to learn from anyone. If anything we show initiative other cannot match and are inclined to envy . It is when Politics become involved that ineptitude, corruption, indolence and cluelessness carries the day. Deregulate the power sector totally , thus removing FG interference, and many States in Nigeria will generate adequate electricity for its own use. Simple !!! |
| Re: Nigeria: Ghana Plans To Be Major Electricity Exporter To Nigeria, Others by Gbawe: 2:31pm On Aug 05, 2009 |
chrisical: While we are touting oxymorons , since Nigeria bashing that ignores fact is now the craze Worldwide, why not invite Ghana's "superior" bankers to teach our banks a thing or two about expanding beyond our borders !!!! Forget the undisputed popularity of Nollywood and our Music industry why do we not beg the "superior" entertainers of Ghana to come and realign our own entertainment industry for success? why not get Ghanaian businessmen , who are not only "superior" but richer and more succesful than their Nigerian counterparts , to come and give Otedola, Dangote, Adenuga et al a 'refresher course' in enterpreneural practices? While we are at it why not apply to have the historic and unmatched achievements of some Nigerian entities like Zinox technologies struck from the annals of history to be replaced by all things Ghanaians? Zinox Technologies Ltd, Sub Saharan Africa's most integrated ICT firm, was launched in 2001 by a team of tested IT technocrats, led by Mr. Leo Stan Ekeh, with a combined experience of over 128 years in different continents. As the foremost IT company to go into an uncharted terrain of Computer production in West Africa, Zinox had Nigeria in mind as it debuted with the first ever Nigerian internationally certified branded computers with the Naira keyboard. The new Zinox Technologies with its strong research and development backbone has developed a variety of uncommon products, that are internationally certified and enough local and international capacities, to support her future expansion and structured growth in other digital solutions areas other than Computer Manufacturing. I agree that it is "shame on Nigeria" with how , politically , we are self-destructively frustrating our own development. We can certainly take lessons from Ghana as regards democratic and electoral practice but the most objective Africans from every corner of our continent will agree that , as regards things that are private and seperate from government activities , Nigeria has very little to learn from anyone. If anything we show initiative other cannot match and are inclined to envy . It is when Politics become involved that ineptitude, corruption, indolence and cluelessness carries the day. Deregulate the power sector totally , thus removing FG interference, and many States in Nigeria will generate adequate electricity for its own use. Simple !!! |
| Re: Nigeria: Ghana Plans To Be Major Electricity Exporter To Nigeria, Others by MrCrackles(m): 2:35pm On Aug 05, 2009 |
Ghana plans to be major exporter of electricity - NICE - I hope they actualise it As for Nigeria, what a FAILURE - We cant just seem to get things right - What a shame!  |
| Re: Nigeria: Ghana Plans To Be Major Electricity Exporter To Nigeria, Others by Deshola: 3:05pm On Aug 05, 2009 |
Very sad. |
| Re: Nigeria: Ghana Plans To Be Major Electricity Exporter To Nigeria, Others by Fhemmmy: 3:14pm On Aug 05, 2009 |
MrCrackles: We can get things right, but we have refused to do it. |
| Re: Nigeria: Ghana Plans To Be Major Electricity Exporter To Nigeria, Others by beystwin: 4:08pm On Aug 05, 2009 |
As funny as it may sound, we have to welcome the good gesture coming from our brother country Ghana. Because the reality is Naija can’t generate the 10000MW and 5000MW backup of electricity needed to give it 24 hours of uninterrupted power supply. We should be grateful for any small contribution our neighbouring countries are willing to give to us.  |
| Re: Nigeria: Ghana Plans To Be Major Electricity Exporter To Nigeria, Others by OakPearl(m): 4:22pm On Aug 05, 2009 |
Oh God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, deliver us from this wilderness.Amen!  |
| Re: Nigeria: Ghana Plans To Be Major Electricity Exporter To Nigeria, Others by Fhemmmy: 4:26pm On Aug 05, 2009 |
beystwin: What makes u think Nigeria can't? |
| Re: Nigeria: Ghana Plans To Be Major Electricity Exporter To Nigeria, Others by Nobody: 4:37pm On Aug 05, 2009 |
nigeria is not worthy of being called a country. a zoo sounds more realistic. what a bunch of losers who can't manage the shit that comes out of their ass'. nothing works in nigeria except prostitution and 419. shared equally between the 2 genders. congrats to 9ja for going from bad to worse. more grease to your reverse gear. |
| Re: Nigeria: Ghana Plans To Be Major Electricity Exporter To Nigeria, Others by Dave6: 5:11pm On Aug 05, 2009 |
@ al-qaeda Walahi I no disagree wit u. I just don't know what is happening + I neva see this kind gov't. b/4 sha dey go fit boast se na them bring an extra like 2000W!? and no be local electricity,, Na foreign!! |
| Re: Nigeria: Ghana Plans To Be Major Electricity Exporter To Nigeria, Others by wirinet(m): 5:34pm On Aug 05, 2009 |
First and foremost lets let our facts and statistics right. Ghana has a generation capacity of 2000mega watta and hopes to generate 5,000mw by 2015, right? But i can tell you that for Nigeria to have light 24/7, 20,000 mw would not be enough. Even if we remove the odd 2,000 - 3,000 MW being generated by PHCN, Nigeria still generate more than 2,000MW. When you add the generating capacity of all the 500 - 1000KW generators being operated by companies in Lagos alone, it will add up to more than 2000MW, not to add the one used in Homes from "I better pass my neighbour " to 100KW diesel generators. So Ghana cannot even begin to scratch the demand for electricity in Nigeria. If you feed the whole 2000MW being generated in Ghana to Nigeria, it will not make a scratch. Now the main problem with Nigeria is Laziness of the Elites, especially the political elites, too much easy money. They are contended with wearing stainless white agbada to office and closing without any stain on their agbada. They are not ready to task their brains on planing and working out solutions to problems, especially our power problem, they are more interested in awarding of contracts and sharing of monthly allocations. Check the National Assembly, the only bills that get passed in the Appropriation bill, supplementary appropriation bill or some sharing of money bill. To solve the power problems of Nigeria need serious planing. Planing of diversifying our generation base by having am appropriate energy mix. Overhauling of our transmission and sub stations. Our present system cannot even handle any thing more than 3,500MW, or we will be having explosions here and there. That is why I laugh when Yaradua says he wants to generate 6000 MW, how does he hope to transmit it?, electricity is not GSM. |
| Re: Nigeria: Ghana Plans To Be Major Electricity Exporter To Nigeria, Others by beystwin: 5:53pm On Aug 05, 2009 |
Fhemmmy: It seems that Nigeria is not innovative enough to look into solar or wind power. Thus, with their present mindset Nigeria would need Nuclear power plants to generate this amount of electricity, and I don't think that this will happen in the next 20 years as arrangements with Russia have in the past proved to be futile. I don't think Nuclear power would be an exception, where futility is concerned. Other obvious reasons include the political dispensation and present leadership. P.S.: I don't believe that 10,000 MW would be enough - how did they arrive at this figure? By the time this target is reached, the population and industrial activity will have increased and it won't be enough anymore. |
| Re: Nigeria: Ghana Plans To Be Major Electricity Exporter To Nigeria, Others by Fhemmmy: 5:59pm On Aug 05, 2009 |
beystwin: Nigeria is more than being innovative and have all it takes to make it happen, however, there is a need to invest in all these things, but those in charge of the money, those in power that can make the finances to follow the project are greedy and dont wanna see anything good happens. those that are making good money from the importation of generators and all that wont let it happen. |
| Re: Nigeria: Ghana Plans To Be Major Electricity Exporter To Nigeria, Others by wirinet(m): 6:07pm On Aug 05, 2009 |
First and foremost lets let our facts and statistics right. Ghana has a generation capacity of 2000mega watta and hopes to generate 5,000mw by 2015, right? But i can tell you that for Nigeria to have light 24/7, 20,000 mw would not be enough. Even if we remove the odd 2,000 - 3,000 MW being generated by PHCN, Nigeria still generate more than 2,000MW. When you add the generating capacity of all the 500 - 1000KW generators being operated by companies in Lagos alone, it will add up to more than 2000MW, not to add the one used in Homes from "I better pass my neighbour " to 100KW diesel generators. So Ghana cannot even begin to scratch the demand for electricity in Nigeria. If you feed the whole 2000MW being generated in Ghana to Nigeria, it will not make a scratch. Now the main problem with Nigeria is Laziness of the Elites, especially the political elites, too much easy money. They are contended with wearing stainless white agbada to office and closing without any stain on their agbada. They are not ready to task their brains on planing and working out solutions to problems, especially our power problem, they are more interested in awarding of contracts and sharing of monthly allocations. Check the National Assembly, the only bills that get passed in the Appropriation bill, supplementary appropriation bill or some sharing of money bill. To solve the power problems of Nigeria need serious planing. Planing of diversifying our generation base by having am appropriate energy mix. Overhauling of our transmission and sub stations. Our present system cannot even handle any thing more than 3,500MW, or we will be having explosions here and there. That is why I laugh when Yaradua says he wants to generate 6000 MW, how does he hope to transmit it?, electricity is not GSM. |
| Re: Nigeria: Ghana Plans To Be Major Electricity Exporter To Nigeria, Others by nex(m): 6:08pm On Aug 05, 2009 |
@Dis Guy the complicated issue I didn't have space to discuss earlier was the possibility of damming the Niger River by any of the other West African states. However, how well is Kainji dam doing today that we keep sending out about the same amount of electricity we originally promised to these country even when it is now coming from our Thermal plants. As for me, Kainji dam should be dismantled. Let any country that wants to dam it go ahead. Electric power today can be generated today in more efficient and cheaper ways. To me, the power sector can be fixed by the principles that fixed the telecoms sector. Though I can promise you that if we keep listening to those countries that enjoy Nuclear Energy yet say we shouldn't, we will not get anywhere. I'm not saying we shouldn't incorporate Coal and Natural Gas where they are abundant, but if we don't shake of our colonial thinking right now and do what's best for us, we will never get anywhere. Some people will say "NUCLEAR?! We can't manage. There will be a disaster". The truth will show you that Nigeria has had its prototype Nuclear Reactor running in Kaduna for years now and it hasn't blown up. |
| Re: Nigeria: Ghana Plans To Be Major Electricity Exporter To Nigeria, Others by Nezan(m): 6:11pm On Aug 05, 2009 |
pity |
| Re: Nigeria: Ghana Plans To Be Major Electricity Exporter To Nigeria, Others by vigasimple(m): 6:12pm On Aug 05, 2009 |
beystwin: I have said it earlier, Ghana cannot help us as they themselves cannot even generate 5,000Mw now, so how can they export? Yes, we cannot generate 10,000mw now simply because of CORRUPTION and AWFUL LEADERSHIP otherwise we have or we can procure all that is needed. Secondly, the idea of 10,000Mw is just to fill gaps, what we actually need is in the region of 75,000MW. Whether we like it or not, some people need to be shot and sacrificed to the gods for cleansing of the damage that has been done to this country and her people. Those people are our so called 'leaders', who have never led anything in Nigeria's nearly 49 years of independence. I hope it happens sonner rather than later BUT surely it will happen. |
| Re: Nigeria: Ghana Plans To Be Major Electricity Exporter To Nigeria, Others by beystwin: 6:21pm On Aug 05, 2009 |
Deregulation, like somebody said earlier on, is the best way forward. Can you imagine one single energy company in South Africa can generate 20,000mw of electricity? And here is a country like Nigeria struggling to generate even 10,000mw! |
| Re: Nigeria: Ghana Plans To Be Major Electricity Exporter To Nigeria, Others by Afam(m): 6:23pm On Aug 05, 2009 |
Each time I think about the embarrassing state of our power supply in this country when we have a lot of alternatives I feel bad. Then each time the government talks about one form of partnership with one foreign country or the other just to generate energy feeling bad turns into anger as it is pretty obvious that those that are responsible for energy and power in this country are clueless and confused or that they really know what they are doing and doing these things deliberately just to achieve a preset goal. Energy is a moving target and energy produced must be used up immediately or stored in say a battery but we all know that we do not have gigantic batteries any where in the world to store energy in the range of MW. So, can Nigeria generate enough electricity today? Yes. Will Nigeria generate enough electricity today? Only God knows because there is a disconnect between the promises being made by our leaders and the effort on ground to deliver on the promises made. About 40% of the electricity being produced in the US is from coal fired power plants with a population that is less than twice our own yet we have very high quality coal wasting in Enugu due to some stupid tribal politics and we cannot boast of a decent supply of electricity. We have abundant sun, wind and even tidal waves to generate electricity from depending on the area not to talk about gas fired power stations and gas is still being flared every day. What is really wrong with our people? Why should we want in the midst of plenty? I did do some write ups on some energy related issues some years ago and if you have time you may take a look at them. +++++++++++++++++++====== The president's position on alternative energy - not in our own best interest - http://justalternativepower.com/article_detail.php?id=4 Nigeria Power Problem - Why Energy Conservation Is A Must - http://justalternativepower.com/article_detail.php?id=3 Nigeria Energy Problem; common sense and relevant knowledge needed - http://justalternativepower.com/article_detail.php?id=14 Government's estimate on energy need, very faulty - http://justalternativepower.com/article_detail.php?id=13 |
| Re: Nigeria: Ghana Plans To Be Major Electricity Exporter To Nigeria, Others by Nobody: 6:24pm On Aug 05, 2009 |
The solution is not for the federal government to pump more money into expensive new technology but for the whole system of generation, transmission, distribution and consumption of electricity to be opened up to private sector participation, as the telecommunications sector was.Then the mangers of these companies would be able to determine the cost-effectiveness of the various systems of generating energy. Most people here are expressing negative comments on the management responsible for tried and tested hydro-elecctric and gas thermal power supplies and yet they are now calling for expensive federal government investment in untried new technology. How does that one work out? |
| Re: Nigeria: Ghana Plans To Be Major Electricity Exporter To Nigeria, Others by AjanleKoko: 6:31pm On Aug 05, 2009 |
Actually it may not be such a bad thing, you know. Eventually the power sector should collapse to the point where IPP becomes inevitable, and the same thing that happened with telecoms would happen. Let's just be patient. So many incompetent thieves have come and gone before Yar'Adua, and we're not quite sure who's next. |
| Re: Nigeria: Ghana Plans To Be Major Electricity Exporter To Nigeria, Others by porka: 6:40pm On Aug 05, 2009 |
this is absolute rubbish. 62% of ghanaian population does not have access to electricity, where then will they get excess megawatts to "export" to nigeria? nonsense. |
| Re: Nigeria: Ghana Plans To Be Major Electricity Exporter To Nigeria, Others by canuck(m): 6:56pm On Aug 05, 2009 |
PHCN, like many centrally controlled bureaucracies in Nigeria, is a "Community Goat" - A proverb says it will always die of hunger! I believe the solution lies in decentralization. US/Canadian cities the size of Ikorodu, Sapele, Jos, etc, each own and run their power distribution companies. E.g. Toronto Hydro distributes electricity generated by the state's (province's) Ontario Power Generation (OPG) - OPG alone generates over 21,000 MW, That's just one state in Canada. FGN should back off power generation and distribution - Until then, the shouts of "NEPA!" will continue to fill the land. |
| Re: Nigeria: Ghana Plans To Be Major Electricity Exporter To Nigeria, Others by emekagh(m): 7:07pm On Aug 05, 2009 |
I can understand why a lot of you here are very frustrated and very negative concerning Nigeria. But I suggest that for the sake of the future generation lets have some hope. Let try some positivism. The government said, they will do their best to provide 6,000 megawatt by the end of the year. Lets give them the benefit of the doubt. These things are not easy - visionary leadership or not - they take time. The problem I have with some of the negative remarks here is that, they are infectious, very infectious. Let try to be positive. Give someone something to cheer about. Nigeria will be great again! |
| Re: Nigeria: Ghana Plans To Be Major Electricity Exporter To Nigeria, Others by oge4real(f): 7:10pm On Aug 05, 2009 |
And the Shame continues  |
| Re: Nigeria: Ghana Plans To Be Major Electricity Exporter To Nigeria, Others by Kay17: 7:22pm On Aug 05, 2009 |
I dont think is a bad idea, with the importance of power to us. It is necessary for industrialisation. We could import from them until we can fix the problem from our side instead of leaving the economy stagnant in the name of vain pride. |
| Re: Nigeria: Ghana Plans To Be Major Electricity Exporter To Nigeria, Others by viclee009: 7:37pm On Aug 05, 2009 |
The idea of buying electricity from Ghana repulses me to the core of my being. what is going on? Have our so called leaders forgotten the lessons history. generation 10,000 mega watts of electricity through nucear technology is not a crime when the right people are involved. United States contractors can have it up and running in no time at all because of their transparency. Nigeria leaders are very eloquent in their stupidity and can hardly wipe their ASS or find their ASS-HOLE without foreign help. It is a pity that Nigeria is even considering buying elctricity from Ghana a country so poor not too long ago that her people have to come to Nigeria to survive. ALL HAIL NIGERIA SHAMELESS LEADERS. By the way, I am an Electrical Engineer here in the United States and I believe a lot of my fellow Nigeria born U.S Engineers feel the same way. |
| Re: Nigeria: Ghana Plans To Be Major Electricity Exporter To Nigeria, Others by Gbosko: 8:40pm On Aug 05, 2009 |
This is year 2009, after 10years of democracy; there is no security, no water supply, unemployment is higher than 75%, public infrastructure (mostly built in the 70's) are decaying without replacement, standard of education is rundown; and probably most embarrassingly, Nigeria is still without substantial power supply.  A clock is ticking fast and hour ZERO is approaching! If those bunch of fat, selfish, smiling clepto-bastards that call themselves "politicians" don't get there acts together and start serving the populace, this entity called "Nigeria" could finally self destruct! |
| Re: Nigeria: Ghana Plans To Be Major Electricity Exporter To Nigeria, Others by shesi(m): 8:40pm On Aug 05, 2009 |
**shakes head in dissapointment** why do our nigerian brothers hate us soo much. Even when we're trying to help, they are hating on us. Instead of asking how far we are with the plans, see most of you saying 'how the hell are they going to do that' err, same way we supply power to Cote D'ivoire, Burkina, and Togo perhaps? Frist of all, Ghana has the capactiy to generate more than 2000MW fyi. Infact, we currently generate around 5000MW but can only keep around around 2500 for ouselves because of contractual arragements with CIV, Burkina, and Togo to supply some power to them. Keep in mind that peak power demand is never 1300. that's ridiculous. There are places in Ghana without adequate power supply. So why would we stop seeking extra power? Besides, ours is an economy on the rise and we foresee an increase in power demand in the future. That is why we are building a new hydro-electric dam. almost finished. And that is why we signed to the West African gas pipeline project. Eventhough your new government has suddenly decided to play dodgeball and not honor a contract signed by your previous government. But thank God we've found our own gas. The Nuclear power plant was originally a nigerian government idea. It was the Obsanjo government who lobbied the americans for help to start a nuclear plant to address nigeria's power problems. The Americans refused, saying that they were not prepared to allow a nuclear project on nigerian soil even for civilian purposes. They said the power(political) structure in nigeria was volatile. Obasanjo then sought to convince Kufuor to allow him (obasanjo) to build a nuclear plant in ghana for nigeria, because the americans were OK with that. Kufuor said he wasn't prepared to allow a nuclear facility belonging to another country on ghanaian soil so Obasanjo should rather give him the money as a loan to build the facility for Ghana and that since ghana would not need all that power, the rest than be sent to nigeria. This is how the whole thing started. Obasanjo left power not too long after. I don't know how far they are because Kufuor also left power and out went my source of info too. I would have thought the nigerian response would be "when can you have it ready for us", instead see what i'm reading. Ok, if we are able to finish building the nuclear power plant and you don't want it, no problem. i'm sure Cote D'ivoire wouldn't mind the extra power. Mind you, neither country has the know-how or technology to embark on the mission solo without any western help. And neither country would be willing to go against the US anyway. |
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