Thank you for that comment bros, whether you support gay people or not. In that one statement you have made more sense than many commenters have made over the last 9 pages.

Anyone who no belief me - mek una read back di pages. Some people dey mek comment igerrant so tey I tink say na dem pikin help dem to even on the computa.

ah ah, FOOLISHNESS!

I read there was 'moral' outrage against in-vitro fertilization in the 70s. Test-tube babies. They called it demonic, satanic and unnatural. Children must come from s.ex. Any child not conceived in a womb is inhuman and cannot have a 'soul'. IVF has helped countless thousands of infertile couples realise their dreams of parenthood. Now no one cares. Suddenly, it's no longer demonic and inhuman and satanic and unnatural and evil. Some of those who complained benefited from the science later.

Centuries ago, the word 'ankle' was considered an obscenity, not to be used in polite compnay. It was 'immoral'. In the past century illegitimacy, divorce, using marijuana, atheism, self-service, oral s.ex, sodomy and working mothers were considered 'immoral' and 'unnatural' till people knew better. Of course, some incurable buffoons still consider them so. Homosexuality is as 'immoral' as those things and for exactly the same reason: What is 'natural' and 'moral' is whatever group and views they themselves happened to subscribe to.

Many decades from now they won't bat an eyelid at gays but will have found other meaningless things to label 'immoral'.

S.ex is a biological adaptation. There is nothing inherently moral or natural about either heterosexuality or homosexuality. But here they come again, labelling whatever's not in their orientation as 'unnatural', 'immoral' and 'demonic'. The time and money you waste talking here would be better spent getting an education in biology. Seriously. It's disgraceful.

Okay i have been visiting this site but never bothered to join but well Im now a member.

I don't know why what two grown men or women choose to do on their own concerns any of you. Its either you are very insecure about your own sexuality or you are just bored and filled with hate.

I am a Nigerian man and BISEXUAL. I like getting the best of the both world and its no ones business.
I never woke up one day and decided to be bisexual just like none of you never woke up and decided to be straight. Its just something I started feeling at the tender age of 12 and i couldn't help it. I have had meaningful relationships with both sexes and it hasn't stopped me from succeeding in life and in my career. Just let people be themselves and be you.

AC-DC. Lucky Dawg. Envy youse. Touch another woman? Er, ewww! But that doesn't mean others can't have a meaningful relationship with their own s.ex if they're so wired. We don't know enough to play judge and executioner jere. Cruel, tiresome meddlers. The same set of people will have one wife and ten thousand mistresses and see nothing wrong with that. But when it comes to others they get on a high horse and won't mind their own business. Remove the log from ya own eye first!

This should have been made a poll.

Anyways, the concept of homosexuality is repulsive to say the least. . . ewww.

shilling:

This should have been made a poll.

Anyways, the concept of homosexuality is repulsive to say the least. . . ewww.

its fine if u consider it repulsive but do u think it should be legislated against.

Bad omen. it is unbiblical, unacceptable and unclean.

Lets pray for the "homosexuals" so they might repent of their perversion. God is able to change them into righteous people thru Jesus Christ.

Let them know there is forgiveness for them in the name of Christ if they are willing to repent. God is merciful and quick to forgive sins.

bawomolo:

sagamite - why is right for heterosexual couples to engage in anal and oral intimacy but wrong for homosexual couples to do so?
that seems hypocritical to me since your argument against homosexuals is that they can't reproduce.  does anal or oral lead to reproduction?



lol because only and only homosexuals have anal sexxxx. i bet them lesbians are having a lot of anal loving. its funny how you guys reduce a relationship to only intimacy. what about loving and caring for the other partner? is intimacy all you guys think about.

its also funny that the most homophobic people have detailed descriptions of gay intimacy.

. Anyway, the reproductive argument is just hilarious. I usually just ignore it. S=e=x is not even done to have children- its usually a byproduct lol

Its even quite interesting that people are more focussed on homosexuality, and forget lesbianism- i.e they tie being gay to homosexuality. As scientifically described its a homophobia- I think psychologist should start studying the illness homophobia and start prescribing drugs to treat this phobia lol.

Well, evryone is entitled to his/her own opinion on the matter (thats why its kinda like an opinion poll). Be that as it may, I think (for guys who are not gays and haven't got an inside view of what it means to be one) such guys shld carry out some research and get to know what it means to be gay. That way, your condemnation wld be informed. Also, u wld be better able to build up your arguments (or hatred).

My view, homosexuality shld by no means be legalized as it is against our (Nigerian) culture. When/if we develop to a "san Fransisco" that wld be a totally different ball game. The practice seems somewhat crude and debases men (makes them passive). It is, as we say it "against the order of nature." Dont get me started on religion cos its a no no there. Shld they be allowed to get married? Certainly not cos that wld lead to a lot of legal complications (adoption, custody, inheritance). Marriage is a union btw opposite sexes: a union instituted by God.

But be that as it may, violence/hatred is not the key. It myt just surprise you to know that the correct emotion shld be pity/support/encouragement/love. Lets put it this way, do you think a man who is "properly wired" (in all intents of the word) wld leave a woman in all her loveliness and choose to rob bones with another man OR choose to endure anal pain amidst a very judgmental  society and expectant family? Do u think a guy likes the idea that he myt never be able to get married or father kids because he can't get erect by a woman? Do u think a man wld grow up and decide "no, I am tied of women. I wanna start doing guys"? Do u think effeminate guys enjoy being verbally and physically abused when they walk on the street?

If u arnt gay, be thankful. Stay away from them (if u wish). Let them know their boundaries when it comes to you. Dont give mixed "signals." Being gay does not make any one less of a person. In fact, most of the brilliant and exceptional guys out there (u know, that guy u look at and wish you cld be like) are gays. Most of our "idols" (actors, musicians, fashion designers) are either gays or are in close proximity to them. Hell, some of the greatest condemners (u know, the ones who use the harshest words) on this post might be gays. The guy next to u (your brother, best friend, husband, father) myt be gay. You never know. if today I find out that my brother is gay, wld it make him any less my brother? NO!

Guys, think!

bawomolo:

sagamite - why is right for heterosexual couples to engage in anal and oral intimacy but wrong for homosexual couples to do so?

The same reason why if a mother and son engaged in such it is wrong.

The same reason why if an adult and child engaged in such it is wrong.

The same reason why if a man and an animal engaged in such it is wrong.

That is the desire. The desire to be stimulated sexually by someone of the same intimacy is a disgusting and unnatural desire. Not in any way comparable with if two adults of opposite gender engage in it.

bawomolo:

that seems hypocritical to me since your argument against homosexuals is that they can't reproduce.  does anal or oral lead to reproduction?

Emi ni mo so nyen fun e? (Na me tell you that?)

That keg wey Kasali dey send you every month dey tell you say na palm wine dey inside, you better check am o.  

Sagamite:

The same reason why if a mother and son engaged in such it is wrong.

The same reason why if an adult and child engaged in such it is wrong.

The same reason why if a man and an animal engaged in such it is wrong.

but those do not involve two consenting adults though

That is the desire. The desire to be stimulated sexually by someone of the same intimacy is a disgusting and unnatural desire. Not in any way comparable with if two adults of opposite gender engage in it.

cool its disgusting to you but how is unnatural because the participants are of the same gender.  is coochie eating done differently by a man or a woman? homosexuality occurs in the wild so won't you consider what occurs in the wild a part of nature?

That keg wey Kasali dey send you every month dey tell you say na palm wine dey inside, you better check am o.  

what can i say, my emu is 100% concentrated with a tiny dose of ethanol 

bawomolo:

but those do not involve two consenting adults though

A mother and son that are adult and consenting does not make it right.

Also, as proven before. The 2 consenting adult is a weak argument for not banning it. So what if they are consenting? The West ban consenting adults from engaging in polygamy and incest.

bawomolo:

cool its disgusting to you but how is unnatural because the participants are of the same gender.  is coochie eating done differently by a man or a woman? homosexuality occurs in the wild so won't you consider what occurs in the wild a part of nature?

Yes, it is unnatural because of the same genderness.

I really would not know if a man does it differently. God forbid. 

As I have said before, homosexuality does not occur in the wild. Nobody has been able to prove that so far. That is the holy grail for gay advocates, they know it, and they are still looking for it. So many fake grails have been put forth (e.g. "gay" animals in captivity where no access to opposite gender), but people with intellect will cut through such fakes.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-279591.1024.html#msg4859553

Man we don't need anyone's sympathy and I don't. I am not feminine. I like my type of men and women which are MASC / THICK for men and THICK for chicks. My girl knows about my bisexual past and also I dont go about telling the world that I am but if u find out and ask me I won't lie.

Sagamite:

A mother and son that are adult and consenting does not make it right.

do i think its right? no.   do i think they it should be stopped by the law? not if they are old enough.
yes i'm a little bit insane 
i recently saw an article about a dude who impregnated his grand mum. creepy

Also, as proven before. The 2 consenting adult is a weak argument for not banning it. So what if they are consenting? The West ban consenting adults from engaging in polygamy and incest.

saga - how many times do i have to tell you i have no problem with polygamy or polyandry. i got no problem with  big love even though i think any man that would marry multiple women has some issues.

Yes, it is unnatural because of the same genderness.

but how though, what makes it so different. are interracial relationships unnatural?

I really would not know if a man does it differently. God forbid. 

but how una take know gays pirate the booty 

As I have said before, homosexuality does not occur in the wild. Nobody has been able to prove that so far. That is the holy grail for gay advocates, they know it, and they are still looking for it. So many fake grails have been put forth (e.g. "gay" animals in captivity where no access to opposite gender), but people with intellect will cut through such fakes.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-279591.1024.html#msg4859553

i have seen those threads before, it seems you find it hard to believe homosexuality exists in nature even with pics and videos given to you.  I guess you have to see it with your own koro koro eyes in person to believe.

I see this thread has been taken over by Homosexuals.

Damned gays!

They think clever argument will mask who they truly are: depraved sexual perverts.  Any argument can come up to defend trash. That's why we have debates.

Don't worry, at this rate, someday incest and paedophilia, will be tolerated in many quarters.

Again I say, Damned gays.

ad hominem galore.

Look, my fellow Nairalanders, Don't be afraid to tell these strays the truth.

Homosexuality is bad, bad, bad. Discourage it wherever u see it.

Look eh, they want a situation where people will be afraid to talk about it, while it silently proliferates and spreads.

Guess what? that ain't gonna happen, cuz we right here. NL is a place for free expression, but with the goal being upholding the truth.

Damned fa*ggots!

@astuto, the thread has attracted the attention of people who have better knowledge than you. You are so ignorant that you believe that anyone defending gay rights can only be gay. Twice on this page you have written five paras, and without making any single point past 'damned gays'. I hope your child turns out to be gay - we go see wetin you go do den. Actually, it is gay people who want the issue to be discussed, to correct misinformation.

Do you actually know how common gays and lesbians are? Look at the google adverts even just at the top of this page. Times will change. It is just like being left-handed - up to 10% of our people, and historically condemned by blind mugus like you. Why don't you go back to leaving twins and triplets in the bush, fetish trees hung with human parts, and killing children for being witches? Do you still beat your wife, the traditional husband's right? Don't you know that if you stop beating your wife, first your children, and then even the goats will say that you shouldn't cane them? When your great-great-great grandfather was worshipping his ancestors and the spirits, I'm sure he said that Ogun will punish these damned Christians spreading everywhere. In fact, better not send your daughter to school. It is not our tradition, and it will destroy society.

Props to you, Sagamite - no way I agree with you, but at least you are making some points.

Two consenting adults is not a weak argument. It is the main reason why sex between human and animal, adult and child will never be legal anywhere on earth, and the main reason why few people will publically advocate it. Not a good comparison.

As for incest, mother and son or sister and brother is as above, and also is a universal human taboo, rather than simply opinion. The reason for this is that it causes social disruption and any children that result have genetic problems, so we avoid it.

Nobody is arguing here to copy what the West does. In fact, the degree of incest varies according to culture. whereas a Nigerian will not marry his second or even third cousin, in Europe and Asia, even first cousins marry. I have seen this with my own eyes, (even though they never had children, because of the risks). Royalty in Europe traditionally marries royalty, over centuries. But they are all related to each other already, some of them related in several different ways. Still they marry.

I've read that homosexuality is common among bonobo monkeys and some other animals, but that isn't even my argument. It is this: We don't look at what animals do and don't do for our guidelines, are humans are different from the typical lower animals in several fundamental ways. If you had actually been following the thread, you would see that this has been discussed already:
link https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-454615.256.html (post #281)

I'm sorry to post a shocking picture that is against people's culture, but to show that culture changes, I'm going to do it. Abeg, no curse me o!

Two consenting adults is not a weak argument. It is the main reason why intimacy between human and animal, adult and child will never be legal anywhere on earth, and the main reason why few people will publically advocate it. Not a good comparison.

As for incest, mother and son or sister and brother is as above, and also is a universal human taboo, rather than simply opinion. The reason for this is that it causes social disruption and any children that result have genetic problems, so we avoid it.

I have hammered this into some thick homophobic heads on several threads. They keep alluding to pineapple to agbalumo arguments like polygamy and such. Most are too lazy to pick up the dictionary to know the mean of "consensual" and would be in a hurry to provide you with examples of bestiality and incest. I always have to humor them because they keep being adamant with there claims no matter what.

As you mentioned, there is really no need to even find an animal that engages in homosexuality though studies have shown this is the case except some people could claim the scientists (who are happily married with kids) have a "gay agenda"

You argue on Moral ground to fellow men. But I would never take that path with someone on NL. Thats like going to mean a whole week teaching people moral thought.

bawomolo:

its fine if u consider it repulsive but do u think it should be legislated against.

Definitely not. I also don't want it to be legislated for. I cant imagine living in a city where gay marriage is legal. Although I think it's wrong, I want it to be seen as any of the other vices in the world - we have theft, murder, etc.

Homosexuality is real, whether I approve of it or not - I have to live with it. But, I don't to continuously hear about pro-gay marriage groups, or anti-gay marriage people. The 2 are a nuisance.

shilling:

Definitely not. I also don't want it to be legislated for. I cant imagine living in a city where gay marriage is legal.

Homosexuality is real, whether I approve of it or not - I have to live with it. But, I don't to continuously hear about pro-gay marriage groups, or anti-gay marriage people. The 2 are a nuisance.

I think the discussion is about homosexualism and not gay marriage. Big Difference

Well, one led to the other . . . gay marriage didn't just come out of nowhere.

If you already know the issue exists, but it just annoys you, why are you coming to this thread to comment? You are still chatting with empty head about something you don't even know anything about.

This thread is about homosexuality per se. It is the anti-gays who keep introducing the issue of 'gay marriage' - like you. In fact, there is hardly any country that allows gay marriage. Some countries allow gay men and lesbians to enter a legal civil partnership, that gives them some (not all) of the rights that married couples have - like inheriting partners property, gaining partners joint employment benefits, tax benefits, joint custody of children etc. It is only uninformed media that started calling it 'gay marriage' as shorthand, and to frighten the uneducated and easily frightened.

Did you know that straight people too can do civil partnership? If for some reason, a heterosexual couple don't want to marry, they can still enter civil partnership, so if the man dies, his family can't come and tell his woman of 30 years standing that she has to 'pack out of his house, removing only her clothes'. In Yorubaland, they often do this, even if the woman has small children for the man. Not one of the best customs.

bawomolo:

do i think its right? no.   do i think they it should be stopped by the law? not if they are old enough.
yes i'm a little bit insane 

You? I have told you that you are a nihilist. 

The less the rules or, if possible, no rules at all, the more you are happy.

Believe me, if you get that kind of environment, YOU yourself will not like it after a while. Unfortunately, as humans, most need rules. They abuse any freedom. The important thing is the balance of the rules levels and the freedom levels.

bawomolo:

i recently saw an article about a dude who impregnated his grand mum. creepy

You dey crase! You just put me off breakfast Mr Man! 

No dey tell me this kin thin o. In a world in which such exists, I will just be a walking emaciated stick. 

bawomolo:

saga - how many times do i have to tell you i have no problem with polygamy or polyandry.

I am not referring to you per se. It is the useless Oyinbos that come up with such lame platitudes of "two consenting adults" logic to badger places like Africa as "backwards" for not accepting homosexuality and they think that is grounds to. I wish I was in a position to ask their stuuupid arse why if that is the grounds for acceptance, why is their country banning polygamy. I don't see Amnesty International going their to talk about abuse of Human Rights.

bawomolo:

i got no problem with  big love even though i think any man that would marry multiple women has some issues.

Comot for here!  You are not a team player. You come wan spoil show for niggas instead of joining our campaign for our rights. 

bawomolo:

but how though, what makes it so different. are interracial relationships unnatural?

Nah!

If different breeds of chicken encounter, they can engage in sexual relations despite the availability of same breed.

A Barbary lion and a Cape lion will engage in intimacy with each other without second thoughts despite the availaility of same breed. So will different breeds of dogs or a African elephant with an Indian elephant.

Interracial attraction is the same attraction in the animal world.

bawomolo:

but how una take know gays pirate the booty 

Ok, you are making me think of skipping lunch as well. Nyama! 

bawomolo:

i have seen those threads before, it seems you find it hard to believe homosexuality exists in nature even with pics and videos given to you.  I guess you have to see it with your own koro koro eyes in person to believe.

All the materials provided does not prove those criteria I set.

People showing me animals in captivity does not make sense.

People showing me a sexually over-drived animal group (I am talking about Bonobos, not Oyb  ) that will get sexual pleasure from anything (including rubbing [i]jeni[/i]tals on trees) as gay does not make sense.

People showing me pix of two mammals snuckling up and saying they are kissing does not make sense.

It is as wortless to me as if I were a North Korean where the government tells them that they are "the happiest people in the world", "everyone else outside North Korea is starving and dying" and their "great leader is the most respected leader in the world" but they are not allowed to see the outside world but they must believe what they are told.

As I said, the gays and their supporters KNOW that animal homosexuality is the holy grail to prove they are like everybody else. The Western media is full of so-called liberals that are in support of homosexuality, yet despite different forages to film the animal world, none have come out with obvious filming of gay animals that beat my simple criteria. No doubt if they found it, places like BBC will bite any film crew that can film it hands off to broadcast and drive it down the audiences throat. It will be showed as much as NTA Channel 5 Nigeria shows those same Jesus films every Easter holidays. The filming crew have filmed the almost impossible including the beauty of animals giving birth in the wild naturally, animal cannibalism, animals miles under the ocean that are only seen once a year but cannot get one that is gay?

ruba_slipa:

Props to you, Sagamite - no way I agree with you, but at least you are making some points.

Two consenting adults is not a weak argument. It is the main reason why intimacy between human and animal, adult and child will never be legal anywhere on earth, and the main reason why few people will publically advocate it. Not a good comparison.

Is beastility hurting anybody if the animal enjoys the pleasure (which is the most likely scenario as they are not as reasonable as humans)? No.

We ban it because of unnaturality and disgust.

ruba_slipa:

As for incest, mother and son or sister and brother is as above, and also is a universal human taboo, rather than simply opinion. The reason for this is that it causes social disruption and any children that result have genetic problems, so we avoid it.

So is homosexuality a universal taboo.

If you read up on it well, the possibility of genetic problems does exist but is quite low. It is not really, on its own, that much of a grounds to ban it as we do not ban people with hereditary diseases that is likely to be passed to kids from having kids.

We ban incest based on disgust!

Homosexuality is unnatural and disgusting too.

ruba_slipa:

I've read that homosexuality is common among bonobo monkeys and some other animals, but that isn't even my argument. It is this: We don't look at what animals do and don't do for our guidelines, are humans are different from the typical lower animals in several fundamental ways. If you had actually been following the thread, you would see that this has been discussed already:
link https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-454615.256.html (post #281)

My argument is not that we follow what animals do.

We don't do something because animals do it.

My argument is on proof of naturality. My argument is that homosexuality is not natural. There is NOTHING that we do that is natural, that you will not find being done in the natural world (animals). So I suspect homosexuality is some form of malfunction that should be cured, not accepted.

@ ruba slipa,

Guy/girl (LOL), what is your own argument all about? Are u a fagg*ot or are u just seeking attention? Please if you dont want to take a stand, just shut up or go someplace else!
If u r trying to suck up to the gays on this forum, you are among men MOST MISERABLE.

Who talked about beating women? or killiing twins? Are you so bereft of ideas that you are trying to change the subject? Daftie. Imagine. left-handers. What depths wouldn't poor debater stoop to?
I wish Nairaland had a way of screening off Lunatics like you who just type without a goal in mind. Psychedelic fella.
Advice for you: if and when your wife bears a gay son/daughter, Disown it (him/her )!

Yeah, you heard it from me, you blind, narrow-minded pervert. Arguing for evil deviants. Mad, mad fellow.

TO CALL YOU AN ANIMAL WILL BE AN INSULT TO ANIMALS

Now you have given me the opportunity to blast you and your know-nothing babbling. Abi it dey pain you because I said you have made no point with any of your points? Yet you are still making no point, just insults.

Any argument can come up to defend trash.

That is what someone says when they have no answer to your points, and in fact, are not even knowledgeable about the subject being discussed. They feel frustrated because they cannot respond or destroy your points -> Damned fa*ggots!

Are u a fagg*ot  or are u just seeking attention?

If you have any single point, then make it, and stop distracting. In fact, respond to the points I made, if you can.

If you have been following this thread, you will see that I have been posting in it since the early pages, because it is a controversial subject across Africa, yet filled with misinformation. And it is damaging us. Europe and America are filled with gay Naijas and other Africans who have fled the country from fear and pain to somewhere where they can feel human. Many of these people are highly educated professionals, doctors, lecturers, engineers etc, who could be contributing something to Nigeria's development, just like me and you, well, maybe not like you,

Whether you find it disgusting or not, whether your religion is against it or not, being gay is natural, and has always been common around. Majority of people are straight, around 8-10% of people are not. Because they are so common, that's why change will come. Even within Naija, so many singers, actors, and even politicians are secretly gay. Married or unmarried. If you exposed all of them, you would see some surprising holes in the society. It can't be cured, and praying for change works about as well as it would praying for straight men not to follow women again.

Others will understand where wife-beating and killing twins comes in. You are the type of person who opposes progress, not because of any reason, but just by your own feelings. You would have opposed women's right not to be beaten, and claimed that society will collapse if twins are allowed to survive. I blame your father for your problem, because in 1975 he was the one spouting that only perverted women wanted to wear trouser, it is disgusting and against African culture, why do they want to bring out their 'thing' for people to see, Bible is against it, it's the Oyinbos fault, blah, blah.

Apart from talking wooden-headed nonsense that would make Yar'Adua laugh, arguing ad hominen, and not knowing anything about the subject, you are a liar too. Obviously you have no children, otherwise you won't be so quick to claim you would disown any gay child. True, some people do it, and they usually it. Are you actually as backward as that? Hopefully, your gay child will be the best out of your children (the others being stubborn, hate-filled and blind like their father), then we will see whether you will disown that child, or keep quiet about it.

I have some advice for you too: stop displaying your poor education in this thread. Insults are not argument.

I'm treating this thread as an interesting exercise in knowledge and logic vs ignorance and blind prejudice. It's amazing how stubborn the latter is before it realises the only point it has is 'I don't like it'. Abi your woman left you for another woman? Or did two guys start doing it together on top of your head? Or maybe you got thrown into Kirikiri for the crime of talking nonsense, and the hungry (straight) men inside there rushed your ass one-two,

If u r trying to suck up to the gays on this forum,

See your Freudian slip. Too funny. Self-hating gay wey dey hide for cupboard. Comot!

@Sagamite. I will have more respect for you because at least you try to argue. You should be a bit worried to be on the same side as Astuto.

Is beastility hurting anybody if the animal enjoys the pleasure (which is the most likely scenario as they are not as reasonable as humans)?

Actually bestiality often does hurt the animal, as these zoophiles try to pick on smaller animals, rather than big animals that will wound them, or they tie up a big animal so securely that it wounds itself, breaks its leg etc trying to break free of rape. They ain't enjoying it, and they can't give consent. Its definitely disgusting, but it isn't even 'unnatural'. Everybody knows that a dog will hump your leg (the only place it can reach). Nobody is arguing for bestiality anyway, and it is not an analogy with being gay. Forget it. Your argument is that because bestiality is banned because it is disgusting, then being homosexual should also be banned because it is disgusting. No - you want homosexuality to be banned just because you don't agree with it. Being gay is neither a crime, nor a physical, nor a mental illness. That's why it can't be 'cured', and praying don't work. That's also why there are gay communities (open or secret), gay organisations, gay festivals, gay adverts even gay economy (pink dollar/pink pound).  There are no such things for incest or bestiality, and there never will be such. They can't be compared.

So is homosexuality a universal taboo.

Sorry-o, wrong number. You should know better than that. As you can see, agreement is not universal even on this Naija board, and many other cultures deal better with the issue than we do.

My argument is not that we follow what animals do.

There is NOTHING that we do that is natural, that you will not find being done in the natural world (animals).

You do know that these two statements contradict each other, right? Please choose one.

For gay animal behaviour please do some reading.

There is also lots of video available. Some males will have sex with each other even with females available. These include everything from giraffes to penguins. If you wouldn't believe your own eyes, I can't help you.

That isn't my point, as humans laugh, cry, anticipate consequences, invent, hide our unclothedness, do MouthAction, tell lies, commit suicide, cook, read, avoid incest, circumcise, have hymen, pray and do many other things that animals don't usually do. Homosexuality is normal for us, just not the majority of us.

ruba_slipa:

Actually bestiality often does hurt the animal, as these zoophiles try to pick on smaller animals, rather than big animals that will wound them,or they tie up a big animal so securely that it wounds itself, breaks its leg etc trying to break free of despoil.

Please highlight what part of your link or paraphrase the part that says sexual intercourse with the animal will injure. I hope you realise Physically battery is different from sexual damage?

ruba_slipa:

  They ain't enjoying it, and they can't give consent.

Sorry, what makes you sure they are not enjoying it?

Have you never seen a dog in heat trying to hump anything living it sees?

You want to tell me that if some gay guy goes on all fours and gives the dog his arse they dog will not enjoy it?

They can't talk so you can not know if they do not consent or give consent, so why assume they are not giving? Logic will then imply to focus on if they enjoy the interaction or not. So it bestials can prove the (or some) animals enjoy it, then that is the consent that should mean you can't ban it under the pretext of consent.

ruba_slipa:

Its definitely disgusting, but it isn't even 'unnatural'. Everybody knows that a dog will hump your leg (the only place it can reach).

Thank god you know dogs will as I put above.

Homosexuality is as equally disgusting to anybody not yet brainwashed to agree with its "normality".

I repeat, just in case you didn't get it earlier:

Sagamite:

My argument is not that we follow what animals do.

We don't do something because animals do it.

My argument is on proof of naturality. My argument is that homosexuality is not natural. There is NOTHING that we do that is natural, that you will not find being done in the natural world (animals). So I suspect homosexuality is some form of malfunction that should be cured, not accepted.

ruba_slipa:

Nobody is arguing for bestiality anyway, and it is not an analogy with being gay. Forget it. Your argument is that because bestiality is banned because it is disgusting, then being homosexual should also be banned because it is disgusting. No - you want homosexuality to be banned just because you don't agree with it.

They are all deviants from the norm. Homosexuals and bestials have an unnatural sexual desire.

I repeat, it should be banned because it is unnatural and disgusting.

ruba_slipa:

Being gay is neither a crime, nor a physical, nor a mental illness.

It is a crime in most countries in the world.

ruba_slipa:

That's why it can't be 'cured', and praying don't work.

If the West are optimistic and seeking a cure for paedophilia. I see no reason why the same should not be done for gays.

ruba_slipa:

That's also why there are gay communities (open or secret), gay organisations, gay festivals, gay adverts even gay economy (pink dollar/pink pound).  There are no such things for incest or bestiality, and there never will be such. They can't be compared.

Well that is the reality of the world of moral decadence we are descending into.

But until a solid proof of naturality is provided, some deluded group/nation accepting it does not validate it as RIGHT!

ruba_slipa:

Sorry-o, wrong number. You should know better than that. As you can see, agreement is not universal even on this Naija board, and many other cultures deal better with the issue than we do.

No, sorry, na you go wrong address, homosexuality was universally (all countries) abhorant before the 60s when some westerners high on weed started a movement of moral decadence that the gay groups jumped on the bandwagon.

I can guarantee you that if you did a survey of gay approval in most western countries, MAJORITY will object to homosexuality. The "enlightened" minority elite, just constumely them and suppress their views.

Majority of people still find it disgusting.

Even majority of the supporters will not b able to stomach wacthing it. They would be disgusted.

Let me get someone to sit Bawomolo down, tie him up and then force him to watch gay guys having intimacy and moaning. If he does not commit suicide within a week, he will lose his appetite for at least 6 months. 

You do know that these two statements contradict each other, right? Please choose one.

ruba_slipa:

For gay animal behaviour please do some reading.

There is also lots of video available. Some males will have intimacy with each other even with females available. These include everything from giraffes to penguins. If you wouldn't believe your own eyes, I can't help you.

Believe me, I have read more than you.

You go and find your info that can meet this criteria, then I will believe you.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=279591.msg3990475#msg3990475

ruba_slipa:

That isn't my point, as humans laugh, cry, anticipate consequences, invent, hide our unclothedness, do oral intimacy, tell lies, commit suicide, cook, read, avoid incest, circumcise, have hymen, pray and do many other things that animals don't usually do. Homosexuality is normal for us, just not the majority of us.

You seem to lack the understanding of the difference between natural actions and choices with this your list.

Try and go and get an understanding, then you will realise sweating is a different concept from picking which Armani jeans to wear. And they both can't be grouped together as "natural" occurrence. 

It's a bit silly to confuse and equate two consenting gays with a mother and son having s.ex. Few mothers and sons want to have s.ex. A digust for incest evolved as a biological vanguard against the genetic dangers of in-breeding, which increases the possibilities of defective genes getting selected in the gene pool. We might notice our attractive family members, but we do not want to sleep with them. It's a dumb argument that equates a sexual orientation, be it homosexuality or heterosexuality, with other things like incest and bestiliaty and paedophilism, to 'prove' a non-existent point. If we're arguing for and against murder, we might point out the harm to the victim as one of the reasons againt it. If you're arguing against homosexuality because you happened to be born straight, that's your privilege. Even Balaam's donkey had something to say when it wasn't asked. But try and produce facts that show homosexuality to be harmful, and don't forget to instruct us on who it is harmful to, and stop boring one half to death with what you merely think is 'unnatural'.