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Re: Is The Fight For Equality Ruining Marriages by bawomolo(m): 9:19pm On Aug 07, 2010
what instructors manual?

who is the instructor and what manual did he/she/it right?
Re: Is The Fight For Equality Ruining Marriages by OYINKANSOW: 9:28pm On Aug 07, 2010
invisible!:

Nature made it so, the book of Genesis repeated the same points, women should just submit to men for peace to reign, any other thing is against the whole laws. Women now work, not because some men cannot provide for their families but because they are now insatiable. Some will even want the men to sit at home and babysit! There will be peace in this world when women revert to their nature ascribed roles.

Everyone was made to work to fulfill destiny(see verse below) but women may have to take career breaks to nurture their children.

Gen 1:26-28 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; [b]male and female he created them
.

28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

PROV 31 THE VIRTUOUS WOMAN
13She(R) seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands.
14She is like the ships of the merchant; she brings her food from afar.
15She(S) rises while it is yet night and(T) provides food for her household and portions for her maidens.
16She considers a field and buys it; with the fruit of her hands she plants a vineyard.[/b]17She(U) dresses herself[e] with strength
   and [b]makes her arms strong
.
18She perceives that her merchandise is profitable. Her lamp does not go out at night.
19She puts her hands to the distaff, and her hands hold the spindle.
20She(V) opens her hand to(W) the poor and reaches out her hands to the needy.
Re: Is The Fight For Equality Ruining Marriages by Sagamite(m): 9:34pm On Aug 07, 2010
^^^ Another serious tithe payer. undecided undecided undecided
Re: Is The Fight For Equality Ruining Marriages by bawomolo(m): 9:55pm On Aug 07, 2010
Sagamite:

^^^ Another serious tithe payer. undecided undecided undecided

but we somehow end up on the most corrupt countries list and can't hold credible elections, have men/women engaging in extra-marital affairs left and right. but hey, we still got the bible though.

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Re: Is The Fight For Equality Ruining Marriages by Sagamite(m): 10:00pm On Aug 07, 2010
bawomolo:

but we somehow end up on the most corrupt countries list and can't hold credible elections, have men/women engaging in extra-marital affairs left and right.  but hey, we still got the bible though.

[size=18pt]FIRE!!!

HOLY GHOST FIRE!!![/size]
Re: Is The Fight For Equality Ruining Marriages by buzugee(m): 10:05pm On Aug 07, 2010
Sagamite:

[size=18pt]FIRE!!!

HOLY GHOST FIRE!!![/size]

leave that igbo alone  sad i think you british people call it 'skunk' abi ?
Re: Is The Fight For Equality Ruining Marriages by buzugee(m): 10:09pm On Aug 07, 2010
so bawomolo how do you see the 'american dream' these days ? is it extinguishing ? and what do you think about omar thornton smoking those 8 racists ? for or againt his actions ? also kagan was sworn into the supreme court. barrack is a schemer. i love that man. fill up the supreme court with liberals so he can get all his 'points' across like immigration reform and gay rights  grin that man is slimey in a good way and i like it  grin yes we cannnnnnnnnnnnn. first sotomayor and now kagan
Re: Is The Fight For Equality Ruining Marriages by Sagamite(m): 10:10pm On Aug 07, 2010
buzugee:

leave that igbo alone  sad i think you british people call it 'skunk' abi ?

Na you go know. Na your medicine.
Re: Is The Fight For Equality Ruining Marriages by buzugee(m): 10:14pm On Aug 07, 2010
Sagamite:

Na you go know. Na your medicine.
yes it was my medicine for a good number of years grin i dont indulge anymore though wink
Re: Is The Fight For Equality Ruining Marriages by invisible2(m): 10:14pm On Aug 07, 2010
@Oyinkansow, good points, good quotes but is it possible that women can perform the rigours of childbearing and still have enough energy left to till the soil, where do the men come in then? Equality in marrieges is a dream that will never work, the men should lead, and lead well. Be strong for the family and sustain them with all he has. For me, I cannot bear to see a woman I love to the extent of calling her my wife to soil her pretty hands working. What kind of money can she bring for me, who will stay around and galvanize the home front while I bring in the goodies?
Re: Is The Fight For Equality Ruining Marriages by buzugee(m): 10:18pm On Aug 07, 2010
invisible!:

@Oyinkansow, good points, good quotes but is it possible that women can perform the rigours of childbearing and still have enough energy left to till the soil, where do the men come in then? Equality in marrieges is a dream that will never work, the men should lead, and lead well. Be strong for the family and sustain them with all he has. For me, I cannot bear to see a woman I love to the extent of calling her my wife to soil her pretty hands working. What kind of money can she bring for me, who will stay around and galvanize the home front while I bring in the goodies?
let me guess ? you are a 75 year old man from akure ?
Re: Is The Fight For Equality Ruining Marriages by invisible2(m): 10:24pm On Aug 07, 2010
105 yrs actually.
Re: Is The Fight For Equality Ruining Marriages by buzugee(m): 10:27pm On Aug 07, 2010
invisible!:

105 yrs actually.
ahhhhh just 30 yrs off. i was in the ballpark though
Re: Is The Fight For Equality Ruining Marriages by invisible2(m): 10:35pm On Aug 07, 2010
So listen youngster, always allow the men to rule and God will be happy with you.
Re: Is The Fight For Equality Ruining Marriages by kulutempa: 10:36pm On Aug 07, 2010
Gals and guys, let's calm down and get down to basics on this issue.   I wonder if the women insisting on equality also discuss and argue with their husbands about who should be on top of the other in the bedroom and who should initiate sex?  Your comments are most welcome.
Re: Is The Fight For Equality Ruining Marriages by buzugee(m): 10:42pm On Aug 07, 2010
invisible!:

So listen youngster, always allow the men to rule and God will be happy with you.
grin wise words
Re: Is The Fight For Equality Ruining Marriages by buzugee(m): 10:46pm On Aug 07, 2010
EDITED grin this no be porn site
Re: Is The Fight For Equality Ruining Marriages by blank(f): 10:55pm On Aug 07, 2010
This thread has gone of course.

Wetin be all these sex talk and Bible talk na?
Re: Is The Fight For Equality Ruining Marriages by MissyB1(m): 10:56pm On Aug 07, 2010
What's the thread talking about-
''Is the fight for Equality ruining marriages'' or ''Is feminism ruining marriages''?
As it's obvious, everyone is presenting  the  woman as  the only subject craving for equality - Which is not always the case.
What's [gender] equality, if I may ask?
Shey one of both genders has to be superior to the other, before the other strives to become equal - Simply put; The struggle for equality sets in, only when there's superiority. No- ? Agreed?
Now, I ask - Is any gender inherently, beyond all doubts, superior to the other? Yes? Why? What's the yardstick of superiority?
Re: Is The Fight For Equality Ruining Marriages by Roliks09: 11:00pm On Aug 07, 2010
Women want to be heard, reasoned with and treated with respect. I want my opinions to be considered and not dumped beacause I am a woman. I want to be consulted when decisions are to be made, and not just ignored. If all this is demanding for equality, then let it be. Whatever is going to be done, I want it ti be done basedon commonsense and reason, not because some man said thats the way its going to be done. I dont want to usurp my man's role or anything, just asking to be treated with respect. I wonder what the definition of 'be submissiove' is. Is it to keep quiet when being trated unfairly? Or to smile when talke to harshly? Do I nod to stupid suggestions because I am a woman? Or do I salute and take a bow and rush to do a silly task just because my man said so?

Some men just like to affirm the fact that they are the head, probably because they feed on that feeling; without which they'll be lifeless. I think this equality issue will be unnecesary if our men could open their eyes, ears and hearts to what a woman is feeling or has to say. For some, women are second class citizens.

I understand that there may be clear-cut roles for each party, but who says a little assistance is out of the way? If we can use my salary to pay the rent, pay the children's fees, buy them clothes, who says you cant help out in this house? Its only men who arent men enough will feel that their 'manhood' is being degraded or demeaned by the mere suggestion of helping out in this house. I

I sure dont want to be a man( someone here said that women are tying to be men, while men arent doing likewise). But I want respect. And that is what most Nigerian men lack, respect the personality, respect the views, respect the feeling, be calm and listen to suggestions, women arent a bunch of numb skull, for God's sake!!

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Re: Is The Fight For Equality Ruining Marriages by invisible2(m): 11:04pm On Aug 07, 2010
No gender is inherently superior to the other when we are in any other field, but when marriage is the question, men should not be seen to be superior, but should get all neccesary support from the woman in his effort to lead his family. Any other arrangement will produce friction which can derail the union.
Re: Is The Fight For Equality Ruining Marriages by chibaby5(f): 11:06pm On Aug 07, 2010
@poster
Women like u are not totally wrong. There are always two sides to a coin. Yes the Bible sayz women are meant to be submissive and all dat but it aslo says Men should respect and love their wives like themselves. What they(Men) do soo wrongly is to only take da 'submissive' part and capitalise on it and try to prove their points on that. Secondly, timez have changed and they (Men) need to get with it. Women are studyin really hard these days, attaining very high educational level and doin well for themselves and dat kinda status scares some men. They like to have authority, lead and be depended upon so a woman with a higher status than them could make dem insecure.

On the other hand, women spoil things when they have all these things and then loose respect for their husbands. Some women go as far as turning their husbands to a house boy  cheesy grin (not funny lolz  tongue). P.S Treatin yo husband without respect is NOT part of  feminism. Men cherish their authority and respect soo bad. They want 2 be da head and when dat is challenged,  da wahala starts .
Re: Is The Fight For Equality Ruining Marriages by buzugee(m): 11:13pm On Aug 07, 2010
chi-baby:

@poster
Women like u are not totally wrong. There are always two sides to a coin. Yes the Bible sayz women are meant to be submissive and all dat but it aslo says Men should respect and love their wives like themselves. What they(Men) do soo wrongly is to only take da 'submissive' part and capitalise on it and try to prove their points on that. Secondly, timez have changed and they (Men) need to get with it. Women are studyin really hard these days, attaining very high educational level and doin well for themselves and dat kinda status scares some men. They like to have authority, lead and be depended upon so a woman with a higher status than them could make dem insecure.

On the other hand, women spoil things when they have all these things and then loose respect for their husbands. Some women go as far as turning their husbands to a house boy  cheesy grin (not funny lolz  tongue). P.S Treatin yo husband without respect is NOT part of  feminism. Men cherish their authority and respect soo bad. They want 2 be da head and when dat is challenged,  da wahala starts .
i have met women who say they can never sleep with any man who has no job. they say if they are dating a man and he loses his job, they lose their desire for intimacy. TRUE STORY.
thats the problem with a lot of women. you guys cannot handle power. it corrupts you quicker. you get power drunk very fast. a woman with a job will 9 times out of 10 treat her jobless husband like crap while a man with a job will 3 times out of 10 treat his jobless wife like crap. so in a way i guess the scourge of human nature evens each other out.
Re: Is The Fight For Equality Ruining Marriages by invisible2(m): 11:13pm On Aug 07, 2010
@chy-baby, herein lies the contradiction, how can a woman with very high degrees and too much knowledge respect anyone, talk less of his husband that she sees his 'kini' every night? The high pursuit of knowledge by women is a problem on its own, in the end the kids suffer, the society gets more misfits growing up and yet things are not better than they were when our grannies lived.
Re: Is The Fight For Equality Ruining Marriages by emmatok(m): 11:14pm On Aug 07, 2010
shocked[b]Madonna syndrome: I should have ditched feminism for love, children and baking[/b]

I never thought I would be saying this, but being a free woman isn't all it's cracked up to be. Is that the rustle of taffeta I hear as the suffragettes turn in their graves? Possibly. My mother was a hippy who kept a pile of (dusty) books by Germaine Greer and Erica Jong by her bed (like every good feminist, she didn't see why she should do all the cleaning). She imbued me with the great values of choice, equality and sexual liberation. I fought with my older brother and won; at university I beat the rugby lads at drinking games. I was not to be messed with.

Now, nearly 37, those same values leave me feeling cold. I want love and children but they are nowhere to be seen. I feel like a UN inspector sent in to Iraq only to find that there never were any weapons of mass destruction. I was led to believe that women could “have it all” and, more to the point, that we wanted it all. To that end I have spent 20 years ruthlessly pursuing my dreams - to be a successful playwright. I have sacrificed all my womanly duties and laid it all at the altar of a career. And was it worth it? The answer has to be a resounding no

http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/article5662099.ece
Re: Is The Fight For Equality Ruining Marriages by OYINKANSOW: 11:16pm On Aug 07, 2010
Missy B:

What's the thread talking about-
''Is the fight for Equality ruining marriages'' or ''Is feminism ruining marriages''?
As it's obvious, everyone is presenting  the  woman as  the only subject craving for equality - Which is not always the case.
What's [gender] equality, if I may ask?
Shey one of both genders has to be superior to the other, before the other strives to become equal - Simply put; The struggle for equality sets in, only when there's superiority. No- ? Agreed?
Now, I ask - Is any gender inherently, beyond all doubts, superior to the other? Yes? Why? What's the yardstick of superiority?


NOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! grin
I support submission but mind you submission is not about being a servant but about alignment wink wink wink. The only reason why God commands a woman to submit is NOT because she is not capable of being a LEADER (Deborah in the Bible, Margaret Thatcher, etc) but because of ORDER AND HARMONY within the family.

Afterall if the man dies won't the woman step in as the new head? I know several widows who have done this successfully.
Re: Is The Fight For Equality Ruining Marriages by MissyB1(m): 11:18pm On Aug 07, 2010
invisible!:

No gender is inherently superior to the other when we are in any other field,
Then, it's wrong to say a particular gender is fighting for equality, as it's agreed we're already Equal. It's also right to say - Some people [man or/and woman] just love to act/pretend/be treated like they are superior. Agreed?
Now, I ask - What's wrong with telling or showing a person that S/he isn't superior to me; we're equal, but I can, for whatever reason, allow his/her decision take precedence and, S/he must be willing to do same?

invisible!:

marriage is the question, men should not be seen to be superior, but should get all neccesary support from the woman in his effort to lead his family.
Wife should also be getting support.
In whose effort to lead whose home? That line should read - In Our effort to lead Our home.
Re: Is The Fight For Equality Ruining Marriages by invisible2(m): 11:26pm On Aug 07, 2010
If I happen to marry a woman who believes (later on) that I have no business being the leader, I will tactfully submit, and allow her lead. One thing though, I must sit at home and watch home movies while she sweats it out. Who no like better thing? I will love my woman to shower me with goodies while I laze about the house, drinking hennessy.
Re: Is The Fight For Equality Ruining Marriages by MissyB1(m): 11:27pm On Aug 07, 2010
OYINKANSOW:

NOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! grin
I support submission but mind you submission is not about being a servant but about alignment wink wink wink. The only reason why God commands a woman to submit is NOT because she is not capable of being a LEADER (Deborah in the Bible, Margaret Thatcher, etc) but because of ORDER AND HARMONY within the family.

Afterall if the man dies won't the woman step in as the new head? I know several widows who have done this successfully.
Sir/Ma,
I don't know Your meaning of submission [ Yes, emphasis on ''Your'' because I think the def. of that word is subjective], but I know that my husband-to-be and I would have to share a mutual definition and understanding of that term.
I don't want to bring  sentiment and/or the Bible into this argument, as people have misinterpreted it to their advantage.
Let's be logical, if you want. Answer my questions as they come.
Re: Is The Fight For Equality Ruining Marriages by OYINKANSOW: 11:32pm On Aug 07, 2010
invisible!:

@chy-baby, herein lies the contradiction, how can a woman with very high degrees and too much knowledge respect anyone, talk less of his husband that she sees his 'kini' every night? The high pursuit of knowledge by women is a problem on its own, in the end the kids suffer, the society gets more misfits growing up and yet things are not better than they were when our grannies lived.

Invisible I am not trying to antagonize you but women desperately need education. Education is power, freedom, light, etc. I know so many Igbo people in their 40s/50s who were beneficiaries of Awolowo's free education scheme, they still bless the man(his spirit cos he is dead) till today anytime they remember him. Education is goooooooood!!!

Illiterate and poor women face a lot and they feel that they have to take it and that there are no alternatives e.g. bosom ironing, battery, the practice of younger brother marrying his late elder brother's widow, etc. Education will greatly help in this regard.

Also, if the man dies suddenly (maybe quite young) or falls sick for some time and the woman is not educated how will she gather resources or get a good job to comfortably take care of their kids? Remember she also has to have the time and energy to train them not just provide their needs alone.

Not saying illiterate people cannot train their kids very well but that if the woman is well educated and has a good job or potential, it makes things a lot easier for her as a widow.
Re: Is The Fight For Equality Ruining Marriages by invisible2(m): 11:32pm On Aug 07, 2010
Sorry to say this, its the rude women who always talk about equality that end up having broken homes. The idea is strange (especially in this part of the world) the society will frown at it and the man will feel the pressure to move on. Now who feels the heat, not the woman but the helpless kids caught in the crossfire! Wondering why they got here. Such women always end up well, but the kids will have a skewed view about what life and marriage is all about.
Re: Is The Fight For Equality Ruining Marriages by Ndipe(m): 11:47pm On Aug 07, 2010
invisible!:

@chy-baby, herein lies the contradiction, how can a woman with very high degrees and too much knowledge respect anyone, talk less of his husband that she sees his 'kini' every night? The high pursuit of knowledge by women is a problem on its own, in the end the kids suffer, the society gets more misfits growing up and yet things are not better than they were when our grannies lived.

Very ignorant statement. Or would you rather the woman is uneducated so that when the head of the husband dies, the children will be left to suffer financially, because a woman is not supposed to be highly educated? Please discard this archaic views. A woman can still be educated and be the deputy to the husband.

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