Tee_Jay:

For southwark? Your source is "Naturally flawed", I'm sure you meant traders, hairdressers, barbers etc

I don't think you are aware of the pragmatic urban dwelling spread of the UK in the past 7-10 years. Even previously maligned Brixton now host professionals and an uber-cool Thespian set because of how expensive central London Property has become . Areas like Bow that used to be derided for its poor migrant population is now home to Professionals attracted by the many spacious loft conversion and better value property, in comparison to pricier areas, on offer . Mainly all area , with good access , to central London now host professionals and skilled workers . Choice of places to live is now , more than ever, about affordability, transport link and quality of life . Folks are now making more compromises to get a good balance . Croydon is the perfect example of an area stereotyped as 'uncool' to live in previously but now very much a sought after area for the commuting professionals and skilled workers.

ekt_bear:

OK. So in a situation where you have cash flow problems, a bloated civil service, the solution is to create 20,000 more unproductive government jobs That cost $X per year from government funds, but only returns $Y in value (where Y is MUCH smaller than X)  

You are in year one of office. . . does it really make sense to bloat the government even further rather than trying to shrink it At least wait until year 3 or 4 to do that, if it is necessary to boost your popularity for winning an election.

This is why it is so important to attract investment. . . then rather than paying for 20,000 jobs out of government money, you have someone else (an investor) provide the jobs for you. Then you can spend the money on healthcare, education, etc.

These were my exact thoughts, these 20000 might eventually become parasites of a symbiotic type on the state. It is nice to be a populist but focusing much on populist policies dont eventually last the test of time. It is always good to strike a balance between populist actions and sustainable development.

If commisioners and Sas of sound minds were already on ground , they would be the one shaping the policies of the state. Aregbesola as a leader is only required to express and articulate his vision for the state and let the policy makers come up with sound sustainable policies of which He will administer to the letter as an administrator. This is the job of a leader IMO.

If i was Aregbesola i would have focused on the endless tourism  opportunities in osun state , source for funds to develop the infrastrucutre around there and infrastrucutre to get to the destinations. The tourism industry will provide employment for these youths.

Govt Job creation is not by absorbing them to the public work force but by creating opportunities where requirements for employments of value would be needed. This 20,000 workforce although good for the people, and laudable but from an economic and long term perspective is not sustainable in Osun state in my humble opinion.

Gbawe:

My brother , PDP mismanagement of Osun State was monumentally atrocious . It is similar to Edo where Oshiomhole met a state , in an administrative mess,  impoverished by Igbinedion (perhaps also Osunbor) . Oshiomhole first had to battle the godfather-enshrined practices that meant Government department and function were run for the benefit of a few individuals. It is similar for Osun and Aregbesola will come good in time. What is important is that he has done some commendable things and the people of Osun are solidly behind him to the extent that they voted ACN across the board . It is instructive that this is the only State Ribadu won as well. His work is known to people of Osun and his approval rating is very high.

http://www.osundefender.org/?p=15941

I very much agree that his approval rating is high but i am thinking long term , i am thinking of Osun state in 2015. His populist actions are loved by the people but like i said above i dont understand how it will be sustained in the long term.

20,000 employees earning the minimum wage of 20k naira translates into 400,000,000 naira montly which is 4.8 Billion naira annually. If this 4.8 billion is spent on infrastructure of the tourism industry , within 18 months private sector investments will flow into the state and they will provide employment. You would have killed 3 birds with one stone bacause during the provision of infstarucutre people will be employed , infratructure will be provided and tourism industry will boom which in turn will provide thousands of employment. You then move to other sectors health , agriculture, education and a host of others.

4.8 billion for 4 years is 19.2 billion naira . I want to believe a rail link , roads , hospitals and lots of infrastructure that would outlive Aregbesola could be built with this money.

semid4lyfe:

He signs a shady M.O.U without any specific agenda and some peeps are getting excited and doing somersault?

Well, what do I know. . .after all an ACN governor can do no wrong

   MOU, lol, scam governor, make we dey look na,

Even the farming idea that he has (http://www.osundefender.org/?p=11027)

What is the point of the 1K hectares in each of the 30 LGAs  

Why not just find the biggest, best plot in the state near a river, and do 30,000 hectares in one location? Lease out 25,000 to some big industrial farmer who will sink lots of money into it, and then another 5000 hectares to local farmers? Kind of like what Saraki did, and what they do all over the middle belt (from what I hear)?

Make sure you take a 10% cut (for example) too of whatever the industrial farmer produces.

Does this not make more sense than 30 farms? Won't that add more value?

Regarding tourism. . . you have the city of Ife in your state! Travel to Brazil, Cuba, Panama and all these afro-latino countries and organize a Yoruba festival twice a year. They have some sort of Yoruba festival in Recife, Brazil every year (I met a chick from that city in summer 2006 who told me about it). . . why not see if you can drum up tourism of that sort to your own state? I dunno, just tossing out ideas here.

Anyway, I hope that something changes. I want Osun State to succeed, I want the ACN to succeed. We cannot pretend as if everything is OK when it is not.

Anyway, let me not be overly pessimistic. A mediocre first year doesn't mean years 2, 3 and 4 have to be bad. He just needs to realize very quickly that the current path he is on is not sustainable and won't work.

I'm praying that someone close to him or high up in the ACN is reading this thread and gets in touch with him. And hopefully communicates in a more diplomatic/less harsh manner than I have 

Man, I'm sure you can round up 10,000 rich afro-Brazilians/Cubans/Panamanians/Venezuelans/etc per year each willing to pay $2000 + accommodations + air fair to visit the sacred city of Ife, the origin of the Yoruba and land of their ancestors for one week. Just need to make it safe, fun, and not too much of a hassle to get there.

That is a business that will gross $20 million/year, create tons of jobs, etc, etc.

ekt_bear:

Land use act allows them to seize land for free. .

Where did you get this from? It is unconstitutional for anybody to have land seized from him without compensation by the Govt. Check S.28-30 of the Land Use Act.

We also have MOU for him to sign, between Osun state goverment and the borough local goverment office of Enugu south.

ekt_bear:

Anyway, let me not be overly pessimistic. A mediocre first year doesn't mean years 2, 3 and 4 have to be bad.

^With all due respect, I must disagree. A mediocre first year in this instance shows that the next 2-4 years are going to be bad in Osun state. Aregbesola is showing a pattern of behavior: no commissioners after 7 months, 20,000 unsustainable populist jobs, and now a meaningless MOU with a UK borough. It is obvious that he is a weak leader who is all about flash and little substance. In my opinion, it is highly probable that he will turn out to be like Niyi Adebayo of Ekiti state (Fayose's predecessor).

Okay , I will forward all your Comment to Mr Rauf Aregbesola , is that okay?

LMAO. You mean that governor that looks like a Taliban. I have always know that, that guy is suicide bomber. Chaiiii MOU for economic, youth dev gini gini. in a rural state(cave) lolllll. If the gov is looking for something to do let him turn the state into a farmland and invite some whites farmers in zimbabwe & SA, instead of deceiving already deceived people. What a people and mentality.

I dont get it, what is this? I mean what is the M0U going to do for who, where and what?

Good one Lagosboy and ekt_bear. I agree with you guys.

aletheia:

^With all due respect, I must disagree. A mediocre first year in this instance shows that the next 2-4 years are going to be bad in Osun state. Aregbesola is showing a pattern of behavior: no commissioners after 7 months, 20,000 unsustainable populist jobs, and now a meaningless MOU with a UK borough. It is obvious that he is a weak leader who is all about flash and little substance. In my opinion, it is highly probable that he will turn out to be like Niyi Adebayo of Ekiti state (Fayose's predecessor).

Where do you want the man to get the money needed to perform the 1 year miracle from? The state's monthly IGR less less than a billion and whit that, state agencies got to be paid, civil service got to be paid, vendors got to be paid, utilities got to be paid and so far, they are all receiving pay checks with zero lapses.

The 20, 000 people you're talking about not only have jobs and are not nuisance to their communities, they are paying taxes and pumping their money back into the state's economy. Don't be shallow, it's a win win situation.



I need you to read every word the man uttered in the article below and get a clear understanding of where he came from and where he's going.


http://naijan.com/aregbesola-no-apology-for-not-choosing-my-commissioners/

like I said before , this is a good move that is even more natural and deliberate because Nigerians in the diaspora can provide an input. Southwark would have special appeal , IMO, because of the good number of Nigerians Professionals who live and work there to include the Mayor of Southwark, Tayo Situ , who has been a Councillor in the borough since 2002.

http://www.southwark.gov.uk/info/200038/councillors_mps_and_meps/478/the_mayor_of_southwark/1

The Mayor of Southwark




About Councillor Tayo Situ

Major Tayo SituCllr Tayo Situ was appointed as Mayor of Southwark at Council Assembly on 19 May 2010.

A councillor in Peckham since 2002, the Mayor came to the UK from Nigeria in 1985. He studied accountancy at South Bank University and now runs his own business. As a Councillor, his priorities are to see more jobs for local people and better services for the young and vulnerable.

He lives locally and is a trustee and elder of his church. He is a devoted husband, father to five children and also a grandfather. His wife Mrs Abike Situ is his consort for the year and his son Michael is also a councillor.
Role of the Mayor

The role of Mayor is a non political one and the Mayor represents every section of the community.

The Mayor is the Borough's First Citizen and represents Southwark at hundreds of civic, ceremonial and social engagements throughout the year.

In addition the Mayor presides at meetings of the Council so that its business can be carried out efficiently and with regard to the rights of Councillors and the interests of the community.

^Oh so 'na ara ile pade loja' affair

Wont be surprised if the Mayor of Southwark, Councillor Tayo Situ is from Oshun State

Southwark

saxywale:

Southwark

Southwark does not begin and end in Peckham as many Nigerians wrongly assume.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwark

In common with much of the south bank of the Thames, The Borough has seen extensive regeneration in the last decade. Declining light industry and factories have given way to residential development, shops, restaurants, galleries and bars. The area is in easy walking distance of the City and the West End. As such it has become a major business centre with many national and international corporations, professional practices and publishers locating to the area. [/b]The massive supertall skyscraper, London Bridge Tower, nicknamed 'The Shard' is under construction at London Bridge Station.

To the north is the River Thames, London Bridge station and Southwark Cathedral. Borough Market is a well-developed visitor attraction and has grown in size. The adjacent units have been converted and form a gastronomic focus for London. Borough High Street runs roughly north to south from London Bridge towards Elephant and Castle. The Borough runs further to the south than realised; both St George's Cathedral and the Imperial War Museum are within the ancient boundaries, which border nearby Lambeth.

[b]The Borough is generally an area of mixed development, with council estates, major office developments, social housing and high value residential gated communities side by side with each other.

revomind:

Where did you get this from? It is unconstitutional for anybody to have land seized from him without compensation by the Govt. Check S.28-30 of the Land Use Act.

Hrm, I was referring more to communal lands not owned by anyone specifically.

I've not read the land act though specifically, probably now a good time to skim through it:
http://www.nigeria-law.org/Land%20Use%20Act.htm

aletheia:

^With all due respect, I must disagree. A mediocre first year in this instance shows that the next 2-4 years are going to be bad in Osun state. Aregbesola is showing a pattern of behavior: no commissioners after 7 months, 20,000 unsustainable populist jobs, and now a meaningless MOU with a UK borough. It is obvious that he is a weak leader who is all about flash and little substance. In my opinion, it is highly probable that he will turn out to be like Niyi Adebayo of Ekiti state (Fayose's predecessor).

Look, you are probably right; I'm not behaving rationally when I say, "maybe years 2-4 will be OK." But what else can I do but hope? I cannot control the guy, force him to do the right thing. I'm not Tinubu, Fashola, or some important guy in the ACN who can influence him. I'm not even a citizen of Osun State. So what else can I do but hope?

Thanks to Nairaland. Is UK the right place to go for 'actual development' now? For management, Maybe! For economic recovery, No! We need to look towards Asiatic countries for recovery, and maybe some European,South American countries. Look at Singapore, Malaysia, South Korea, etc.
WE MUST DEVELOP NAIJA by HIS GRACE!!! All required personel and materials resources are in Nigeria but some still reason as if in a colonial era.

An ACN Governor can do no wrong, based on some peeps assumptions

20000 jobs my foot!!! graduates receiving 7500 as salary in a month and you call that a job.

BLACK PEOPLE AND THEIR UNENDING INFERIORITY COMPLEX sha!

I can still recall that a few weeks back, GHADAFI was all over Europe and USA, signing the same kind of M.O.U!
They loved and feted him!
Even The Brits inaugurated a CHAIR for him at one of their best University!

He in-turn, pumped and invested his countries wealth in their economies, in the Name of a Sovereign Fund!

Not a bad idea until.,.,.,.,.,.,.

Well, Until "Things fell apart" and the white peeps showed their true color!

Back to the Present:
The Billions of Dollars (Sovereign Fund, Not Ghadafi's personal funds) invested was first frozen and is now being used to pay for a War!
European and American War!
America takes 30Billion dollars of Libya's money and now wants to use it to arm REBELS, in a Civil war and off-set its own expenses, in the war! France is doing the samething too, even Britain!
Whose "ARMS" are they buying? From "Whom" are they buying it?

Talk of using your money to buy/pay for weapons, to Kill you!
God dey sha

Osun state is too Poor to engage in this kind of rascality, IMO


There are tons of ways to develop your state that these "lopsided MOU" because when your investments get FROZEN (and then STOLEN  ), You go just dey look,.,.,,.,.,LIKE MONKEY! (Respects to Fela Anikulapo Kuti).

My people are yet to evolve

BTW: Pertinent Questions he should have asked them are:
1.)What happens to the "investment" if and when a fall-out happens?
2.) Can Oyinbo people just decide to "freeze-and-spend" without the consent of the owner?

I just dey laugh o!

naijaking1:

We also have MOU for him to sign, between Osun state goverment and the borough local goverment office of Enugu south.

I always believe Nairaland is an Assembly of Intellects. I think People should Think Well before making Comments.Aregbe's Approach to Governance is Unique of the West of Niger Politics of Development.Going to the UK to get the Attention of Nigerians there is a Win-Win Thing.Know that Many of the Good Things Seen in today's LAGOS are Done by the RETURNEEs.So Aregbe's Moves are in such Direction.More Strategic Governance to Come soon with the uncoming Oodua Synergy called WESTERN UNION.Nigerian Government will surely be coming from these ACN guys soon.

Rubbish. UK Boroughs are struggling under cuts from the Central UK Government, they are focused on improving service delivery to their teeming tax payers who are burdened with cuts etc. A Nigeria State government runs to a UK Local Government and peeps here shout alleluia. Colonialism at its best. Why dont the FG run to a State in America to sign a stupid MOU for something I dont understand. Arrant nonsense. Another means to spend estacode and to share money from the so called politicians.

Omoadugbo:

I always believe Nairaland is an Assembly of Intellects. I think People should Think Well before making Comments.Aregbe's Approach to Governance is Unique of the West of Niger Politics of Development.Going to the UK to get the Attention of Nigerians there is a Win-Win Thing.Know that Many of the Good Things Seen in today's LAGOS are Done by the RETURNEEs.So Aregbe's Moves are in such Direction.More Strategic Governance to Come soon with the uncoming Oodua Synergy called WESTERN UNION.Nigerian Government will surely be coming from these ACN guys soon.

My brother , I tire for folks OOOOO . Even the word "colonialism" has been used incongruously a few times to the extent that one has to wonder if some Nigerians live in today's world and understand the current dynamics of global interaction and International trade/exchange of ideas. We hear that the world is becoming a "global village" yet it is in Africa we still fail to get our heads round this concept enough to understand how to be beneficiaries of the "global village" instead of bystanders.

If our best brains are developing the West while acquiring serious specialist skills any Nation would court  , I really dont see how , while we wallow in poverty, some are still full of pious anti-colonial hubris that is not at all relevant to what is being discussed here . Kase Lawal , for example , is a Texas-based billionaire Nigerian-American who relocated to the USA in the 70ties . This man , via dint of hard work and innate brilliance, was a finalist for the United States Business Entrepreneur of the Year 1994 .The man was an advisor to George Bush and I think , although not 100% sure , to Obama also. If Kase Lawal lobbies a Nigerian Governor to sing an MOU with Texas the noise of "colonialism", "waste of money", "lack of focus" will still prevail because some people simply don't understand the intangibles to include the concept of getting the input of bright minds , whether Nigerians or not, who have aided systems that work,  as a veritable tool for development.

Some peeps are talking down on 20,000 jobs created by Aregbe. I need to let you understand that they are being paid 10k/month and it doesn't disturb them from engaging in other money making ventures. A lump of these people are either jobless or under-employed with many earning 5k/month.
If you belong to the priviledged few, you will never understand this step is a right one in the right direction.

I wonder what these bigots would have said if this move had been by a PDP governor.

werepeLeri:

I wonder what[b] these bigots[/b] would have said if this move had been by a PDP governor.

Some of you are simply using this word as if it is about to be declared extinct tomorrow. Why do folks like you take rancour , bellicosity and bad belle from thread to thread? Why don't you just highlights the good things PDP Governors are doing so we can discuss it , as we are doing with Aregbesola's deeds, instead of casually calling folks "bigot" , out of juvenile belligerence, because they highlight the good deed of an ACN Governor.

Ha ! Ha! Ha! I dey laugh o!!!!!!!!!!
Tinubu & Coy has successfully used Fashola as a product to deceived the SW
Pls has there been anything we can all sincerely point out as the achievement(s) of these govs(Ekiti & Osun).
Let us all put sentiment apart, is there any difference btw the achievements of ACN & PDP govs within the same period(i.e. 1st yr in office)
Someone said he created 20,000 jobs and paying 10,000. You may wish to recall, PDP gov did same in 2000 through PAP and paid 7,000 each but discovered it was not sustainable.
He should not be deceived by the praise singers around him about his popularity, it doesn't take time before our people will instruct the lead drummer to change the tune. What we want is action, tangible developmental projects and not this propaganda.
IMO, the difference btw PDP & ACN is the same as the difference btw noon and half day.