No, their ears are tickled and because they refuse to love the truth God has given them over to believe in the LIE.

MrBible:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzQyXe8BKMQ&feature=related

When will people realise that these pentecotals pastors are the false teachers Jesus warned us about.

frosbel:

^^


You obviously do not read your bible hence the above statement.


But for the benefit of doubt I will give you till end of today to do your research and come up with the TRUTH otherwise I will have to do your work for you

"rather crowns are given out to men who win souls for christ and to win souls is to preach the gospel"

Omo_Tier1:

Again you read my post well! FYI, 'm not one to trade words with you haven known you for creepy and crafty manipulation of the bible.

I tell you again, you are chasing shadows! No where in the NT will you find a reward for false phropet chasers, rather crowns are given out to men who win souls for christ and to win souls is to preach the gospel. And this gospel is simple;Ro 10 vs 9-10. Thats all that is required. The rest, leave each to do what 2Ti 2:15 says!

Lastly, how many souls will your chasing of those you called false prophets win for Christ and GOD?

An exercise in Fruitility,

Omo_Tier1:

Again you read my post well! FYI, 'm not one to trade words with you haven known you for creepy and crafty manipulation of the bible.

I tell you again, you are chasing shadows! No where in the NT will you find a reward for false phropet chasers, rather crowns are given out to men who win souls for christ and to win souls is to preach the gospel. And this gospel is simple;Ro 10 vs 9-10. Thats all that is required. The rest, leave each to do what 2Ti 2:15 says!

Lastly, how many souls will your chasing of those you called false prophets win for Christ and GOD?

An exercise in Fruitility,

Further, I will show you the secret of Apostle Paul's ministry success; 1Cor 14 vs 18 "I thank God that I speak in Tongues MORE than ALL of you" -WOW- He sure knew something is in it as We too have come to discover!

And in verse 19,He gives guidance on how not to get the babes in christ scared out in church when we come together.

In 1Cor vs22 it shows you this and I quote;
"Tongues, then, are a SIGN, not for believers but for unbelievers; PROPHECY, however is for believers, NOT FOR UNBELIEVERS" , So where do you belong?

Then please take this home for yourself; 1Cor 14 vs 39.

However, there is even one much better; PROPHECY! But how then can a man prophesy if he is not charged up in the Holy ghost? When you release those tongues, you are speaking words not made for the understanding of the flesh-your sensual audibles-, you are giving instructions to angels in thier own languages, you are speaking the same language as the Spirit of the Father! Surely, something is bound to happen when you release those tongues with the WORD in Faith!

ogajim:


Is that really a word? Are you telling me that folks who expose false preachers thereby saving those blindly following these false preachers are doing a disservice to the body of Christ? Where did your Bible say the kingdom is about numbers as opposed to QUALITY? Does "many are called few are chosen" ring a bell?

We ought to hear from the people themselves before throwing stone. Besides God never call anyone of us to judge his servants. If anyone of his servants do wrong in his name ,God knows how to handle them. He has told us to leave them alone. There's no single scripture that says Christians should be hunting ministers . We find ourselves sinning against God in this error. There's no reward for it

Joagbaje:

Nothing is wrong in a minister having money. That doesn't make them false. There is a difference between the ministry money and the ministers money. Even though many ministers put their personal money into ministry.

Different ministers have different gifts ,callings and abilities. Healings , miracles, etc. Before we condemn a man, we should be objective enough to understand his own side. Know his reasons,motives and revelation. Compare before conclude. Don't just judge from external perspective.

Some preachers believes they are anointed to cause people of God to prosper. People who prospered under such ministers will definitely reciprocate . By appreciating the minister who has been a blessing to them. If from poverty, I listen to a preacher and through the things I learned from him I become a millionaire . I will put some millions into his account also. If I had a terminal disease and doctors have given up on me, and a man of God minister to me and I get healed. I will send gift or money in appreciation.

Many ministers receive gifts and money from people. This is not offerings and tithes which belongs to the church. But personal gifts. If I see benny hinn today , I will write a cheque for him. Because he had been a blessing to the world . I first got to know about the person of the holy spirit by reading his book ."GOOD MORNING HOLY SPIRIT" . Some people who's life have been touched by a miniter give cars ,money etc. In appreciation. Some pastors are richer than the church account because those who's lives have been transformed blessed them back.

Some ministers are best selling authors, and several millions comes to them from sales of those books.

Some other ministers were already rich before God called them. Kenneth copeland had rich family business, he was also a Hollywood wild west actor before God called him. Apart from family business . He was known to be giving out planes to ministers. He once gave IdahOSA a jet but idahosa couldn't accept it because of maintenance .

We ought to hear from the people themselves before throwing stone. Besides God never call anyone of us to judge his servants. If anyone of his servants do wrong in his name ,God knows how to handle them. He has told us to leave them alone. There's no single scripture that says Christians should be hunting ministers . We find ourselves sinning against God in this error. There's no reward for it.

If an author, poet etc can have house by pacific, I don't think it is a sin if a minister who is a bet selling author in millions , who also receives personal gift from all over the world have a house by pacific . It's his money. No one can tell him how to spend it. But if it's church money. It's between him and God .

Azibalua:

One thing that baffles me is the fact that most people believe that men of god dwell on monies from the ministry to live by,and are not givers themselves.
This is strange,cos the easiest way for a leader in the body of christ to become poor is to not to pay his tithes and also not to give.

A man who despoils a child was under demonic influence. The first thing to recommend is to cast such devil out of him.
The other steps depends on his attitude. Did he realise the error.  Is he justifying it. Some gays believe they are born that way or created that way by God. Thereby excuse there lifestyle. If he is of such conviction, he is a dangerous man. The law should handle him because he is not repentant. And another person will fall  victim.

But if he is repentant genuinely. He should be forgiven. If he is battling with a habit, help should be recommended for him. Spiritually first, and also, some christian ministry have institutions for rehab for such people.

dare2think:

@Joagbaje

Yes, people give them gifts and stuff. There is no crime in that. But don't you think it is ethically and morally right for those ministers to direct those "gifts" to poorer members of the church.

nlMediator:

That's one thing that bothers me too. You see pastors bragging about how they have dozens of suiits, shoes and ties they have not worn, that were given to them by people. Yet, there are many people in that church wearing crappy clothes. Not only should the pastor re-distribute MOST of these gifts instead of living like a king, while the members live like paupers, but  he should spend a lot of time preaching about giving to one another. Not just giving to ministers. Or the church. I keep on wondering: where's the love of Christ and the brethren in all of this?

You come to a church and you can easily tell the big difference between the pastor and the flock. He dresses well, looks well-fed, his children go the best schools, but the members look and live differently. When somebody complains, he's told to go and open his own church and see how easy it is to make it. I thought it was churches like the Catholic that had such sharp distinction between the clergy and laity. Today, virtually everything the boran again christians attacked the Catholics and Anglicans for, they now repeat, albeit in more polished fashion.

EarsWide:

Just a thought, government officials are not allowed to keep gifts given to them (in their capacity as government officials) - the gifts belong to the government. Yet pastors are allowed to keep the gifts given to them in their capacity as pastors - in fact they openly talk about the 'gifts' on the pulpit.
This is yet another case of the secular world being more moral and transparent than the pentecostal churches.

nlMediator:

Not one person I know thinks that ministers do not 'give.' The point is that they mainly give to their ministries. If I give my money to my business, do you call that giving? Or it becomes giving because my business is a christian ministry? Right, they do not dwell on ministry money. They get gifts. But why is it that church members that also give do not become rich through gifts by other church members? Does that principle only work for ministers?

Azibalua:

What proof do you have that they give mainly to their ministries?
And if you are not a giver ,don't think every one is like you,why do you feel other church members are MIT receiving gifts as well from other members?