seanet02:

To me repairing federal roads should be a short term vision. The real sense is for the governors to team up and build roads that will link up the south west,
Using State allocations to maintain federal roads when there is nil chances of getting reimbursement from the federal government does not make sense when money was allocated for such in the Federal budget.
The best thing is to team up, build inter-state roads and let the federal roads rot away if the owner refuse to maintain it.
Once you have Your own alternatives, then you are done,
though it does make sense to maintain it till the inter-state roads constructed as alternatives are completed so that the federal roads wont take it tolls on people.
Using allocations to repair roads that is not yours does not sound sensible to me if such repairs are going to be forever.  . 

Kobojunkie: The State does not have to pool all it's available resources into repairing the whol 120km stretch. Repairing just 0.5km of that road is better than repairing none at all. That road has been a death trap for years, yet it remains one of the MAJOR roads that links Ogun with businesses from outside.

Just like Lagos, Ogun also has too many state roads left to make good --- the state does not need to first repair all of it's roads ( and for those who are stuck on that word, make them perfect) before it considers working on a MAJOR ROAD like this one.

I really hope other state governors, rather than cry and wail all year, would get to working, not for their egos, but at least with the understanding that those who ply these roads regularly, need them repaired.

koruji:

My points exactly - put another way

I was suggesting also that Gov. Amosun should have got his media people to put this on TV stations, radio and newspapers, rather than let the corrupt PDP operatives go to town on a piece of land like he was the one who is really stopping their work.

You have to do and be seen to be doing - otherwise some (wicked) people are likely to paint you with a bad brush, and get away with it too.

Kobojunkie:

Let me help here . . . .


a) It costs about 10X(I am being conservative here) more to build brand new roads, than it does not repair already existing roads.  And this is not considering the resources that would be needed to maintain these roads, in addition to already maintaing inner existing state roads.
    --- think about it. If states only repaired the vital points of these roads, they probably only have to repair about 20
           miles stretch or less. But if they embarked on   building brand new routes, you are looking at about 100 or more miles
          (each state) of road  . . .  that, believe you me, costs MONEY -- A LOT OF IT. And that is
             JUST THE BEGINNING. How many of the same states have such money?

b) It takes more time to build NEW ROADS than it would to repair existing roads

c) Money used in building brand new roads is also NON-REFUNDABLE and so States that embark on this will not get that money refunded

d) People complain that if States repaired Federal roads, the Federal Government would sue em . . . that hasn't happened successfully in almost 30 years(as far as I know), and is likely not going to happen because there are groups right now working on SUING the FG for spending so much in so long and never actually fixing the said roads

e) The Federal Roads BELONG to Each state in Nigeria as well . . .These roads are not used by ALIENS . . . they are plied by Nigerians  --- Lagosians, Ekitians, People of Ogun, Anambra, Oyo, Benin, etc.   Treating them as if they are NOT OUR BUSINESS is not having clear understanding of what is really going on here. It's like Chicagoans declaring that I-94 or I-88 is non of their business. It's just silliness and nothing else.

Kobojunkie:

I am not really informed on the part in bold . . . but sure, the Governor should get the people involved.

seanet02:

It does't make sense like that. How on earth can you expect the states to continue allocating part of their Revenue to Federal Roads when they have zero chances of getting reimbursement? and yet more annoying when the repairs of this same roads have been covered by the Federal Government Budget.
Using your own income to look after federal responsibilities when you lack control over the roads make nil sense to me.
Btw, i dont think the states owns the Federal roads,  the constitution is quite clear on that and Federal government did told Fashola and Oshiomole when they try to maintain some federal roads. You can not be using your peoples funds to maintain federal roads that trillions of naira have been allocated for without any meaningful result by the same federal government when you have the chance to build your own, Control, maintain it and probably  collect tolls on it. Trying to maintain federal roads that needs total reconstruction when you have the chance to construct your own and  maintain it sounds awkward to me. Btw, if your arguments have to hold, Federal will have to hand over the roads to the states plus the yearly budgets that should have gone into their Maintenance.

Kobojunkie:

Can I ask that you to take some additional time to read your initial post, and then read my response to it. That way you will be sure to have not missed the real message in all this.

You suggested that the same states, instead spend about 100 Times the amount on building brand new roads, and then additional, say 50% a year maintaining said roads, and you posit that my suggesting that the states instead repair the small piece of the huge roads causing the main problems make no sense at all Ignoring the fact that much of this was to help the already broke states, probably invite investment money to help in paying for rebuilding of the states IN THE FIRST PLACE.

By the way, who said you cannot use State funds to maintain parts of federal roads that are vital to state economy?? Where do you get that from?

Eko Ile:


We both know you have know clue how much it cost to build roads so quit going on and on about what's cheaper or not and your 100 times nonsense.

Common sense dictates that it's better to spend a dollar on something that's yours and is gonna last, than spending 50 cents everyday fixing a terrible crap that at the end of the day is not yours and you can not seek any legal redress over in terms of refunds.

On whether Federal Government is collaborating with the Lagos State government on its projects in the state especially roads, Fashola said “Yes, there is Federal Government collaboration but that collaboration does not involve money. The amounts acknowledged and owed to us even by the last administration, which were never disputed, I still have not collected.”


Today, I have not received one penny of support from the Federal Government of Nigeria. The only money I have received is the money for the local governments and that was not support. That is money rightfully belonging to that government. So, whether for ecology or any thing not one penny but we continue to hope that there would be a positive response


http://lagosindicatoronline.com/Federal_Roads_Lagos_Laments_Non_refund_of_Money.html

Desola:

Yeepa! Ki leleyi? Omodeyi baluje!

Ha! Mi o ri iru eleyi ri o. Oro ti p;esi je o.

OLUMIDEE!!!!!

Desola:

Yeepa! Ki leleyi? Omodeyi baluje!

Ha! Mi o ri iru eleyi ri o. Oro ti p;esi je o.

OLUMIDEE!!!!!

seanet02:

Afi Suru o, abi ori Omo kekere yen bo sen wo emi odindi Seanet02,
Egbin Oniyoro.
Olumide, Ori e da lorun e. Iwo omo abi pabe jatijati yi.

Kobojunkie:

Apparently, this is not the first time Ogun state has stepped forward in this. The Governor, as @Koruji suggested, needs to get the media more involved. Peopl need to know who to praise for when next they drive though those roads.

@Seantnet, I hope you are paying attention as a lot of what is contained in some of these address some of the misconceptions you have on these issues.

0lumide:

I spoke my mind and I see you as part of the problems in Nigeria so phuck you!!!!

seanet02:

Phuck your Father.

seanet02:

Do you know the condition of The Roads repaired by OGD on behalf of the Federal Government today despite the huge funds spent on the road?
Try to get your facts right.

0lumide:

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ekt_bear:

Wtf does your long diatribe have to do with this thread? Most of us here are having a reasonable conversation. You can be on both sides of this topic w/o necessarily being a villain.

Might your post not be better suited for its own separate thread? Or better yet, not posted at all?

Kobojunkie:

What does the current condition of the roads repaired back in 2010 matter in mid 2011?? Why pick at useless issues that bear no relevance of any kind to the subject at hand

What facts are you speaking of? Are you telling us that the Newspaper never published that story back in 2010?? Please try to be HONEST and focus on the subject here  . . .  put aside whatever hate you may have for personalities and see how much pf what you posited earlier is not based on facts. Apparently, FERMA does not sue states for aiding their own when it comes to the state of Federal Roads. Apparently, there are States that do it, not for the refunds, but for the fact that the roads are plied by their own people. The list goes on . . . . we need to update our fear data so we do not continue to perpetuate lies that only continue to cripple the nation . . .

ekt_bear:

Wtf? Nobody is posting to make you happy or promote some hippy nirvana vision you have. You live your life and let others live theirs.

Anyway, more importantly, this thread has nothing to do with the sh1t you are talking about . . . for the most part, people are talking purely about policy.

So wtf does Hausa, Igbo, all that other sh1t got to do with the topic at hand?

Anyway, there is no point in me continuing this further. . . waste of time. Hopefully the mods will clean out your spam from this thread and the other numerous threads you spammed into.

seanet02:

Which lie? What am trying to tell you is that States should not be allocating their resources continuosly to Federal Projects. Now look at the hundreds of millions spent on the sagamu road year in year out yet the state of the roads is still comatose, it does not make sense.
Btw, is states in the US repairing Federal Roads without any Reimbursement even when such roads have been budget for in the Federal Expenditures?
Confirm that or you accept such should not be happening here either.

0lumide:

Like I care what he thinks init?

Y'all can gang up but we all know the only time you will ever say something intelligent is when it politically favours your stooopid and worthless opinions!

When you go to read threads from PDP, Igbos, Hausa, you lace your words carefully with poisonous biases and pretend you are intelligent,  Get outta here nut case!!! and I'm dumb enough to think these guys are intelligent and could actually help in discussing issues,

Forums like this are suppose to be not just to spread good informations but this a platform for those who will change the nation to meet, there are many platforms but this is one!!! What do you think this particular platform promotes, a precursor to genocide and national hate/envy!!!!

Kobojunkie:

Some of the LIES we have been fed(and should be rid of by now)

a) FERMA will sue states even when they repair the Federal Roads

b) States do not benefit when they, out of pocket spend money to repair the Federal Roads

c) There are no gains in Repairing the roads -- some of the gains include, increased investment opportunities/businesses, decrease in loss of lives, and improved movement across the states borders.


Definitely, the US is not Nigeria when it comes to maintainance of Federal structures and so in that case, I do not think it would behoove us to compare them at all. However, I bet you that if the Federal REFUSED to tackle infrastructural structures, STATES would step in, knowing, at the end of the day, they (The states), benefit more economically, in chaos reduction, and in lives saved, from the maintainance of those roads than the Federal itself does.

Now, after repairs, many of the states would TOGETHER pursue reimbursement, even if it takes them 20 years to obtain, but they would not decide against fixing with the problems simply on grounds that they fear they might never be reimbursed.

I gave you examples earlier of roads, that if closed, would cause chaos, not at the federal levels, but right in states/communities where those roads run through.