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| Re: Allah Is One by pilgrim1(f): 6:16pm On Dec 10, 2007 |
olabowale: I see. . . which is why you hypocrites have pretended to be worshipping the same God as the Biblical prophets worshipped and yet you come on board to set a dichotomy between which is the "Christian God" as distinct from the "Muslim God". Only one request I make: could you show me where Muhammad ever taught that he was worshipping another God than the One revealed in the BIBLE? Why this hypocrisy from Muslims? olabowale: The 'Allah' of Islam has no power to save, deliver or heal! Period. He may "sway" and "sling"; but he heals NOT nor deliver! Ask Muhammad why he was always praying to 'Allah' to deliver him from his devils - and yet that prayer was never recorded as ever being answered! olabowale: Could you please show me where in the Bible you read of a plurality of Godhead[b]S[/b]? It is called Godhead (singular), not "heads" in the plural. Thisis the one thing I have asked people to notice in your hypocrisy - and davidylan has pointed it out as well: when you ask a question or make a remark and it is attended to, you jump to another thread pretending you have never seen the previous answers. |
| Re: Allah Is One by pilgrim1(f): 6:20pm On Dec 10, 2007 |
babs787: What arrant nonsense? How many times have we bleached you and your band on the Forum? You really have a penchant for wanting to waste your time. This is how you kept evading the three debates we've had and shown yourself the trademark that others have observed about you. Noisemaker, utilize your time on studying to grow up, please. babs787: Olabowale is know for LYING and duplicity - and that was the same detailed DENIALS he offered! Period. babs787: How brave do you expect anyone to be in pointing out the Muslim deception? |
| Re: Allah Is One by babs787(m): 8:36pm On Dec 10, 2007 |
@pilgrims Welcome after having gone into hiding. What arrant nonsense? How many times have we bleached you and your band on the Forum? Let me have where you did that please. You really have a penchant for wanting to waste your time. Really  ?This is how you kept evading the three debates we've had and shown yourself the trademark that others have observed about you. Noisemaker, utilize your time on studying to grow up, please. Please let me have the debates I avoided. We have known the stuff you are made up. Olabowale is know for LYING and duplicity - and that was the same detailed DENIALS he offered! Period. Shame on you  . You should not be here crying but provide your rebuttal to same if you think that he lied.How brave do you expect anyone to be in pointing out the Muslim deception? I am not here for your story telling. Carry on with your quranic and hadith twisting. |
| Re: Allah Is One by pilgrim1(f): 8:47pm On Dec 10, 2007 |
@babs787, babs787: 'Hiding' is the word you give to your own exile. I never went into hiding - and for the likes of folks like yourself, I have stated several times why I have not had the opportunity to be frequent on the Forum. babs787: Denials already? Please save the games. babs787: I hear - and after you have known me for my stuff, how have you been able to redeem the lies of both you and your Muslim fellows? How many times have I directly pointed out to olabowale's face that he was mischievious LYING? How did he attend to set me straight and remove the doubts? And what happened with your denials about the lost Torah and Injil - where did Muhammad make such a claim? See, you guys often give me very strong reasons why it were far better to remain outside Islam - because of your incorrigible penchant to be deceptive! babs787: I hear - that is why illiterates like you often blab before settling down to read! I have allowed him time enough to lie as much as he could - and he has come out to confuse himself, which I knew he would, by claiming that ALL would go to Hell fire - the very same thing he initially denied! Sorry, I'm not as feathered with such duplicity and doublespeak - and he proved it himself, and I presume that is what you can celebrate.  babs787: Hahahaha!! It has become Qur'anic and Hadith twisting, abi? Don't cry so much - I don't twist anything. Rather I post them, offer facts, and then wait for intelligent exchanges from Muslims to point out where I might be mistaken. If all they have to offer are the boohoos and denials upon denials we have seen instead of simple discussions, how do such rascal attitudes translate into my twisting anything?Babs, just use your time for growing up. Your duplicity has been long bleached and I'm not given to empty bloviates that have become second nature to you. Cheers. |
| Re: Allah Is One by babs787(m): 8:56pm On Dec 10, 2007 |
@pilgrims @babs787, 'Hiding' is the word you give to your own exile. I never went into hiding - and for the likes of folks like yourself, I have stated several times why I have not had the opportunity to be frequent on the Forum. . What else do you expect from an escapistDenials already? Please save the games. Bull shit . Are you running out of your usual denialsI hear - and after you have known me for my stuff, how have you been able to redeem the lies of both you and your Muslim fellows? How many times have I directly pointed out to olabowale's face that he was mischievious LYING? How did he attend to set me straight and remove the doubts? And what happened with your denials about the lost Torah and Injil - where did Muhammad make such a claim? I served you questions and even showed your folks the fraud in bible publications omitting some verses in earlier edition but inserting same in later edition. I even showed you all the missing verses and please if I may ask you, what do the Torah, Injil contains please? When you are able to provide honest answer, we will know further if your holy is corrrupt or not. See, you guys often give me very strong reasons why it were far better to remain outside Islam - because of your incorrigible penchant to be deceptive! Have you read my story where I have been giving you reasons for my reversion and the fraud of your holy book.
Here, you again show your lack of moral. Keep it up. I have allowed him time enough to lie as much as he could - and he has come out to confuse himself, which I knew he would, by claiming that ALL would go to Hell fire - the very same thing he initially denied! You should at least povide rebuttal to his post before exposing your dishonesty Sorry, I'm not as feathered with such duplicity and doublespeak - and he proved it himself, and I presume that is what you can celebrate. Sorry oooooo |
| Re: Allah Is One by pilgrim1(f): 9:06pm On Dec 10, 2007 |
@babs787, babs787: What is happening - are your hands shaking that much you're addressing yourself all at once? babs787: I hear. babs787: I hear. babs787: See how dense you are! Now I believe indeed that Muslims are dunces according to the Qur'an. Are you not the person who claimed that the Torah and Injil are lost? Many have asked you what the original copies contained - and you have ducked that question to date! Not only so, you have not been able to show anyone where Muhammad or 'Allah' ever made such a claim!! Are you so dense that you can't seperate your desperation from your duplicity anymore? babs787: Did you answer the question of what denomination you belonged to when someone asked you much earlier about that claim? Muslims, make una dey take style drop this lying attitude! We know how to spot you when you make dubious claim! That is how combatant also claimed he was a "Christian" who converted to Islam - ask am how e be, he has since remained silent! babs787: What moral upbringing did you exhibit when you said "bullshit"? babs787: I have done that before when Tiptronic wanted to cheat behind the counter! This time around, rather than engage you guys in your usual DENIALS and games, I decided to let him LIE as much as he could - because I know he would ONE DAY fall flat on his face by contradicting himself!!! And he has!! He should now lap up his factual deuplicity and wait a bit more for another bleaching! babs787: No cry. . . I don't bite! |
| Re: Allah Is One by pilgrim1(f): 9:10pm On Dec 10, 2007 |
@babs787, Whatever bloviates you want to give your time to, do so. I have other people more serious to attend upon - and I was actually looking forward to their caterwauls since Muslims these days are simply noise makers. Whatever else you might have to say that (usually arguments that say nothing), please yourself. For now, I want to attend to other issues. Enjoy your week. |
| Re: Allah Is One by olabowale(m): 9:53pm On Dec 10, 2007 |
@Pilgrim.1: Quote from: olabowale on December 04, 2007, 11:41 PM Christian God, . . .Where as Muslim God I see. . . which is why you hypocrites have pretended to be worshipping the same God as the Biblical prophets worshipped and yet you come on board to set a dichotomy between which is the "Christian God" as distinct from the "Muslim God". (I have no idea that we worship a three in One God of the Christians? Nor the discriminating God of the Jews? I am not one of those people who will accept Jews and Christians worshipping the same God, and definitely not worshipping Allah the Almighty God! Only one request I make: could you show me where Muhammad ever taught that he was worshipping another God than the One revealed in the BIBLE? (Aburo. I say this in all sincerity, you amuse me sometimes. Allah Almighty has no sons and does not discriminate based on ethnicity. So, your God is different from my God. My God is One GOD! Why this hypocrisy from Muslims? (When you have a God that does not have Children and unable to determine the fate of His creations, until He had to behave like them, helpless like in infancy, then I will tell you, what else you want to know that will benefit you. Quote from: olabowale on December 04, 2007, 11:41 PM There is GOD the Creator and then there is His CREATIONS. Major difference. The 'Allah' of Islam has no power to save, deliver or heal! Period. He may "sway" and "sling"; but he heals NOT nor deliver! Ask Muhammad why he was always praying to 'Allah' to deliver him from his devils - and yet that prayer was never recorded as ever being answered! b(Do you know that Suratul Fatiha heals? Thats just a sample of what God Allah the Almighty puts in the custody of the Muslims. Quote from: olabowale on December 04, 2007, 11:41 PM Christian God, according to the Christianity, has three godheads. Could you please show me where in the Bible you read of a plurality of GodheadS? It is called Godhead (singular), not "heads" in the plural. (It just does not matter. 3 heads are better than 1 syndrome is affecting you already. If you say 3 is not a plural, then so be it in your book. I will not lose any sleep on it. Its your show, baby. Thisis the one thing I have asked people to notice in your hypocrisy - and davidylan has pointed it out as well: when you ask a question or make a remark and it is attended to, you jump to another thread pretending you have never seen the previous answers (Como? Thats supposed to mean what exactly? |
| Re: Allah Is One by babs787(m): 7:35pm On Dec 11, 2007 |
@pilgrims See how dense you are! Now I believe indeed that Muslims are dunces according to the Qur'an. At least you should have pictures of grown ups in your house. I wonder how you relate with those older than you  Obinrin so iwa nu, o so wipe oun ko ni ori oko.
Baby girl, your trick wont work with me. You are here showing your dishonesty when you have been provided enough evidence that your bible is corrupt. If I may ask you, what else do you need when you have been shown missing verses, contradictory statements, false unfulfilled prophecy atributed to Jesus etc. I keep asking, do we regard the letters of paul, sayings of John, letter of Luke to Theophilus etc as part of the revelation given to Jesus?
Where did u ask that? One thing you still do not know about Islam is that we dont go about using that as a means getting people revert to Islam as christians do in churches which happened to be part of your fraud. Muslims, make una dey take style drop this lying attitude! We know how to spot you when you make dubious claim! That is how combatant also claimed he was a "Christian" who converted to Islam - ask am how e be, he has since remained silent! I know your problem. You never believe that christians revert to Islam and by the way, who I am to lie to you. You are not my creator and if I have been lying, He is there to judge. I have given part of my reversion to Islam in sone of the threads. You may go to some of my earlier threads and read about me. Your sister babyosis now Nwandod was confused more than you in one of the threads. What moral upbringing did you exhibit when you said "bullshit"? You know that you are my lecturer . What is the meaning of bullshit?
Did you read your post before hitting sent button?Are we here discussing Tiptronic or Bros. Olabowale's post on Quran 19 v 71. You sure dey see road so Whatever bloviates you want to give your time to, do so. I have other people more serious to attend upon - and I was actually looking forward to their caterwauls since Muslims these days are simply noise makers. You will always have time for others when you couldnt provide answers to your missing verses in earlier editions and omission in some versions yet all claiming to have been inspired. Baby girl, we are still on Torah and Injil. Please what does the Torah contain What does the Inul contain When you are able to provide answers to the questions, we will then go into NT, go through the tenses used in compiling the bible, the irrelevant words therein, the sayings of historians, those that didnt witness jesus etc and we will try ascertain if indeed it is the revelation you are having now, is the same as the ones God gave to those prophets.
Dont run , we need to get to the root of the fraud called the holy bibleEnjoy your week. U too |
| Re: Allah Is One by jandor(f): 5:27am On Dec 12, 2007 |
@OLABOWALE.salam,i have been going through a lot of your posts on the religion section and i always like your responses,can i know where you are located in Newyork?i live in brooklyn,coney island to be precise. ma sallam. |
| Re: Allah Is One by olabowale(m): 5:29am On Dec 12, 2007 |
Am in Manhattan. As Salaamualaykum. May Allah make us all people of Paradise. Amin. |
| Re: Allah Is One by jandor(f): 6:00am On Dec 12, 2007 |
thank you for answering my request may Allah in His infinite mercies increase you in ihman.ma salam |
| Re: Allah Is One by jandor(f): 6:04am On Dec 12, 2007 |
thank you for answering my request may Allah in His infinite mercies increase you in ihman.ma salam |
| Re: Allah Is One by mashaun(m): 7:53am On Dec 12, 2007 |
@cgift must you jump into their thread. |
| Re: Allah Is One by mashaun(m): 7:57am On Dec 12, 2007 |
i dont bknow waht your problem is. you have what you believe in while i have mine,what is the prob then. |
| Re: Allah Is One by mashaun(m): 7:57am On Dec 12, 2007 |
i dont bknow waht your problem is. you have what you believe in while i have mine,what is the prob then. |
| Re: Allah Is One by focused(m): 11:14am On Dec 12, 2007 |
See them weaklings! You want the thread closed abi? Ar you Seun in disguise? So it pains you abi? I think I should get a quran fast, excrete on it and take the pictures and post it on this forum. Hope that would make you cool? @cgift : Thanks for the response. I am waiting when the muslims will call on the god (allah) to come and reveal himself or herself to people. The question is : Is it right to fight for God ? Let God come out and reveal himself to people since he is the one who created people and know how to handle things They moan when anything happen to their satanic verses(Quran) but they have done worst things to christians and will continue to do so. If the quran is deserated, so what ? I see no reason why the student should be expelled for it anyway. |
| Re: Allah Is One by olabowale(m): 1:13pm On Dec 12, 2007 |
@Focused: Almost allthe time your mannerism is actually the antithesis of your board name. Focus man, focus! Now to your entry above: @cgift : Thanks for the response. I am waiting when the muslims will call on the god (allah) to come and reveal himself or herself to people. (When any of the 1/3 godhead or the 3 of the 1/3 appear(s), to prove lordship for the Christians, immediately, you will see that Allah Tabaraka wataAllah, the God of all creations, (The Irresistible, full of Power, Supreme), will shot it down! Read Surah Al Maidah, Chapter 5, verses 115 to 119. Thats whats gonna happen to Jesus son of Mary, before his Lord, in the presence of all mankind in the day of Judgement. You will know that Allah is the True God Who HOLDS AUTHORITY over all things! The question is : Is it right to fight for God ? (Did Moses fight for God? Did Moses lead many battles at the commandment of God, against people who you may consider innocent, in todays standard, because they did not initiate any war? Yes, Moses did! moses fought for God! SE doun de ar, Mr. I no go fight 4 God! It is very convenient that you should forget the American general, who since the invasion of Iraq, said, many times before the gathering of the Christian conservatives, that his God is Stronger/better/bigger than the Muslim God! Yet, they wage war on the smaller, weaker God's people! I did not see that with USSR, the society that did not even believe that God existed, in all the decades her communism survived! Let God come out and reveal himself to people since he is the one who created people and know how to handle things (You are more a disbelieving man, an atheist, than those who say it with their mouth. Your heart speaks it loud and clear! You are not even a Christian, because at least they believe in something! The atheist section is not this thread. Another response like that from you I will ignore you, until I respond in the atheist column. They moan when anything happen to their satanic verses(Quran) but they have done worst things to christians and will continue to do so. (Show me the satanic verses in the Qur'an and lets talk about it, as matured people. Then show me when in history that Muslims as a body, in one shot has ever done worse, according to you to Christians? In the Spanish Inquisitions, the European Pogroms, the Many Crusades, the 2 world wars or what? Tell us, Mr. Focused! If the quran is deserated, so what ? (Real you may be right. The Qur'an is already inscribed in the hearts of the Believers. However the Christians should desecrate their Bible at the town Square, first. Then go desecrate the Taurah of the Jews. Then go to the Hindus Book and do the same. Infact, do every other religions holiest books, what you think you can do to Islamic book. If you survive intact as a living man, then I will not complain when you show your ignorance and disrespect to the Qur'an! I see no reason why the student should be expelled for it anyway. (If your heart ever holds any ounce of belief, then God helps us all! |
| Re: Allah Is One by auwal87(m): 6:24pm On Dec 12, 2007 |
*cgift Imagine a product named 3 in 1, meaning it has 3 functions in one machine, that is how I understand your own Christian God, *Poster The only time when I think the Holy Qur'an can disappear, I think is when you get the technology to remotely Format (erase) some parts of human brain, then you can format the brain's of those that can read from the Holy Qur'an uphead. "Man is not a Computer", Blaspheming our religion (Islam) will never set it backward, so, let us be calm, let us keep praying, let us unite together, and we will surely succeed, in trying to explain something in defense of Islam, you may go off the track, so lets be attentive to their imaginations, and come up with a solid and concrete way they can never turn out to it, May Almighty Allah protect us from our Enemies, Amin, |
| Re: Allah Is One by babs787(m): 8:53pm On Dec 12, 2007 |
May Almighty Allah protect us from our Enemies, Amin, A big amen |
| Re: Allah Is One by cgift(m): 9:47pm On Dec 12, 2007 |
auwal87: hmn. Can you please throwm a little more light? auwal87: Allah will not answer that prayer for you. The only answer is for you to take up your swords and chop off heads |
| Re: Allah Is One by Nobody: 9:53pm On Dec 12, 2007 |
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| Re: Allah Is One by auwal87(m): 10:28am On Dec 14, 2007 |
*khai_khai Oh My God! See how a simple sentence turns into something like an Abuse, It is more easier to say Amen than start changing my simple prayer into something else, *cgift As you are in the system, you knows it more than I, So am I correct or wrong in saying that "Imagine a product named 3 in 1, meaning it has 3 functions in one machine, that is how I understand your own Christian God" I just say this in order to let you know that I and so many others have since understand your Trinity, In order to learn more please go to your church and ask your Pastor to explain to you more about the Trinity, that is where he will stop, if he adds more, please kindly let us know, |
| Re: Allah Is One by pilgrim1(f): 4:41pm On Dec 14, 2007 |
@auwal87, auwal87: Even though I am presently occupied and just took a peep into the Forum, it didn't surprise me that once again you guys are showing how dubious Islam has made you out to be. Just incase you're still a stranger to truth, God is not referred to as a "product" - nowhere did Muhammad make that inference; and by all standards, the best that could have emerged from Islam about your 'Allah' is that he is an errand boy for Muhammad. This is not my own making; but if you carefully read Aisha's statement again, you will find that 'Allah' hurries to answer the beckoning of Muhammad's sexual escapades: Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 7, Book 62, Num. 48: Narrated Hisham's father: Khaula bint Hakim was one of those ladies who presented themselves to the Prophet for marriage. 'Aisha said, "Doesn't a lady feel ashamed for presenting herself to a man?" But when the Verse: "(O Muhammad) You may postpone (the turn of) any of them (your wives) that you please,' (33.51) was revealed, " 'Aisha said, 'O Allah's Apostle! I do not see, but, that your Lord hurries in pleasing you.' " Perhaps you may have some explaining to do as to how 'Allah' hurries to answer the beckoning of his slave when it has to do with making sexual rounds and postponing some? Would it then have helped you know the real gist about Muhammad's adventures if a few tidbits were posted to remind you of the issues you as a Muslim have been pretending not to notice? auwal87: Then that is a queer way of forcing yourself to pretend what even Muhammad never assumed in his career! We know for a fact that Muhammad lied when he claimed in the Qur'an that 'Allah' revealed the Trinity as comprising the Father, Jesus and Mary (Qur'an 5:116 - 'Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah'). The fact is that Muhammad bought on the Roman Catholic duplicity and claimed that 'Allah' revealed it as the Trinity! Now, if Muhammad was wrong, on what grounds are Muslims today claiming to know any better? Do they know better than 'Allah' for giving Muhammad a false assumption? Or do they know better than the same Muhammad who goofed in that verse? The fact is that the Qur'an was made up by Muhammad who was hugely misled with that fallacy - and Muslims today have bought into the same fallacy as a "revelation" from 'Allah'. My question is: how could the 'all-knowing' Allah have failed to "know" that Sura 5:116 was a colossal LIE before passing it off as a "revelation" to Muhammad?
Of course, you know that it was rather Muhammad who added "Mary" as part of the Trinity in the Qur'an (5:116) - that is where the whole confusion begins! Muhammad lied, and Muslims cannot see their finger from their hands! If you're seeking to be reasonable, there are answers. But playing this 'convenience game' of hiding behind your fallacy in the Qur'an and pretending not to notice the huge duplicity of Muhammad's proclamations is beyond anybody! |
| Re: Allah Is One by auwal87(m): 2:43pm On Dec 15, 2007 |
*Fake Pilgrim Shame on you, you wrote all the above bunches to say that Qur;an 5:116 says that Jesus and mary are gods beside Allah, NO! Here is what the verse contains, 5:116 And behold! God will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of God'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden. (Yusuf Ali Translation) God will ask Jesus in the hereafter; Did you say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of God? Where do you get the above quote from, to prove you further here is one by one meanings, And when Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary! Didst thou say unto mankind: Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah? he saith: Be glorified! It was not mine to utter that to which I had no right. If I used to say it, then Thou knewest it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy Mind. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Knower of Things Hidden? (M. Pickthal Translation), Kindly study the Qur'an very well before quoting from it, Anything to add? |
| Re: Allah Is One by babs787(m): 5:51pm On Dec 15, 2007 |
Shame on you, you wrote all the above bunches to say that Qur;an 5:116 says that Jesus and mary are gods beside Allah, NO! Here is what the verse contains, Thats how she has been doing, twisting verses and hadith.
I think she has done that while a muslim Anything to add? Be expecting her spurious posts. |
| Re: Allah Is One by olabowale(m): 5:42pm On Dec 19, 2007 |
Of course, you know that it was rather Muhammad who added "Mary" as part of the Trinity in the Qur'an (5:116) - that is where the whole confusion begins! Muhammad lied, and Muslims cannot see their finger from their hands! @Pilgrim.1: Which came first; the Chicken or the egg? It is the Chicken, because it needs the warmth of the chicken, during the incubation period. Of course, it has to form first inside the Chicken, and the semen of the roaster, the male has to fertilise it. Now here is your test; Which came first, the Catholic sect of Christianity or the Protestant sect of Christianity? You also know that, without any doubt and the proof is in your own writing on another thread, "Are there Any former Muslims here," and I quote you, under #(a) sub paragraph below, "the bold statement that the Popes openly said that Catholicism is about the WORSHIP of MARY and far less about Jesus Christ!" The large body of what you wrote is below. Please Pilgrim.1 and other Christians, was Muhammad, by his Lord, through the Qur'an not CORRECT? From this singly statement of Pilgrim, it is demonstrated that the Catholic worship Mary the Mother of Jesus and the none Catholic, eg the Protestant worship Jesus, instead! In both cases, one worships the mother and the other the son. Both of you are Idol worshippers. Except you have a people instead of carvings or something you made with your own hands! Idolatry is not restricted to none speaking thing alone. The Dali Lamar is a good example! Quote from: Wordsmith on Yesterday at 03:21:31 PM |
| Re: Allah Is One by pilgrim1(f): 11:21am On Dec 21, 2007 |
olabowale: @olabowale, HOW MANY TIMES do you want to recycle this bloviate? You no dey tire to recycle your dead brain cells? Your rejoinder did not effectively address the part of my repost that you quoted on the fallacy that Muhammad had supposed MARY was part of the Trinity! The worse part of the event is that after he goofed, he pretended it was a revelation from 'Allah' - and gbam! it appeared in the Qur'an! How come 'Allah' was giving Muhammad a "revelation" which is a huge fallacy? WHEN did Christians ever refer to Mary as part of the Trinity? Or where did Christians hold the idea that MARY and Jesus were taken alongside 'Allah' in worship?!? The bottomline is that the verse in Qur'an was a huge fallacy based on Muhammad's pretended "revelation". He just dreamed it up - as he did many other issues - and up until now you Muslims have not been able to adduce evidence to the veracity that Christianity worshipped MARY and Jesus alongside "Allah"!! Aside the Catholic influence that made Muhammad think up such an error, there is simply no historical authentication for that fallacy! The simple issue here is that Muhammad saw the worship of MARY and Jesus ALONGSIDE the one he described as "Allah"! The Catholic Church, even during Muhammad's day, did not assume that Mary was part of the Trinity!! |
| Re: Allah Is One by olabowale(m): 4:29pm On Dec 21, 2007 |
@Pilgrim.1: No, I am never tired of recycling my 'dead brain celle!' Today we see that the Catholic are worshipping Mary. If we use this phenomenon from Muhammad to judge him, as a Prophet, he would have won. For according to yo above, the Catholic were not worshipping mary, when Muhammad said it. But even after he said it, then they took up the same thing he told them that they were doing. Thats a great testament to his prophrthood! Allahu Akbar. Wa ba mi nbe. lol. Pele. |
| Re: Allah Is One by pilgrim1(f): 6:03pm On Dec 21, 2007 |
@olabowale, Please no vex that my time on the Forum is greatly constrained these days due to my busy schedules. The past few days here and there have been easy on me due to the yuletide. Nonetheless, if you carefully weigh the gist of my rejoinders, you would not have missed the fact that the Catholic Church did not consider MARY as part of the Trinity even in Muhammad's day. I never ignored the fact that Catholicism is predicated on the worship of Mary - and if there's anyone who has hugely debated that issue with Catholics on the Forum, you know it's pilgrim.1 - go through the relevant Catholic threads. However, your terse reposte only managed to confirm that Muhammad was a false prophet, judging by the fact that what you had tried to read into my posts were actually non-existent! Let's outline them neatly again: (1) pilgrim.1: pilgrim.1: (2) olabowale: olabowale: As you can see, you were clearly controverting my statement and thereby trying to read your misconception into my rejoinder! If anything, you only managed to affirm that Muhammad was indeed a false prophet! Earlier I mentioned that, to my knowledge, the only denomination in Christianity (there are a few others which I have not been able to verify) which is involved in Mariolatry (worship of Mary) is the CATHOLIC CHURCH. Even though they worship her, they have never at any time regarded her as part of the TRINITY. Catholicism worships dead saints as well (just as some Muslims worship dead persons in Islam) - but yet the Catholic Church does not regard those dead saints as part of the Trinity! Biblical Christianity never taught that Mary was part of the Trinity - and that alone should make you wonder where Muhammad got his false statement from and attributed it to a "revelation" from Allah which has become part of the Qur'an. If the Qur'an carries such a false statement that never occured, one needs to question the sort of lies that Muhammad paraded as divine 'truth'. |
| Re: Allah Is One by pilgrim1(f): 6:05pm On Dec 21, 2007 |
@auwal87, This is why I often treat you with kid's gloves, because you're such a child and your mental quotient in assimilating simple statements is tawdry! auwal87: Em. . . first, you should know that I am not the writer of the Qur'an; nor am I one of the translators of a book that nobody understands the moment it is translated into another language! Yes, indeed. . . Qur'an 5 v 116 actually says that Jesus and Mary were considered as gods BESIDE 'Allah'. You may have favoured Yusuf Ali's translation - but you should have asked babs787 who is your adulator and consolator about his favourite version of the Qur'an [the Hilali-Khan translation]. This is what HILALI-KHAN translation says, as well a few other translations (go check them out): Pickthall: 'Didst thou say unto mankind: Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah? Hilali-Khan: "O 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men: 'Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allah?' " Shakir: 'O Isa son of Marium! did you say to men, Take me and my mother for two gods besides Allah' Sher Ali: `O Jesus, son of Mary, didst thou say to men, `Take me and my mother for two gods beside ALLAH?' Khalifa: "O Jesus, son of Mary, did you say to the people, `Make me and my mother idols beside GOD?' " Now who's been cting "fake" if you can rubbish your Qur'an trabslations and pretend to have missed all the other translators? WHY is it that you often react like a toddler instead of calmly checking issues carefully before spewing your gutters? How come you never checked other translations before asking me where i got the quote used in my rejoinder on Sura 5 v 116?!?The point I've been trying to make here is that Muhammad simply told a hilarious LIE when he assumed that MARY was part of the Trinity! 'The 'Allah' of the Qur'an knew very well that Mary was never regarded as part of the Trinity - whether in the past or present! So where did Muhammad get his fallacy from, to have included it in the Qur'an as part of the "revelation" of Allah?!? |
| Re: Allah Is One by pilgrim1(f): 6:08pm On Dec 21, 2007 |
babs787: You should rather have tried to help your toddler - he needs to be told the simple truth rather than being applauded for hi blind drivel. Please go back and check the verses and see that they were lifted directly from those translators without any "twisting"! If Muslims would only have a heart to acknowledge simple truth, nobody would need to wonder why you guys are so dubious. Cheers all the same. |
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