Kobojunkie:
1. Um... His Church which He builds with His own Hands and convenes and administers/manages - John 15 vs 1 - 14 - , not your churches.

2. Again, compare what is written in Matthew 18 vs 16 - 20 to what you folks do in your churches everyday and tell me if any of what is described of His Church is what takes place in your churches regularly?

1. That's a personal relationship with jesus not the church refered to in matthew 16:17
2. It has been compared no difference.

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The church in that scripture you wrote up there refers to the personal relationship with jesus but the church of matthew 18:17 was refering to the relationship between jesus christ and the gathering of christians. Compare and think!!!
And those two scriptures aren't too hard for you to comprehend o kobojunkie
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Kobojunkie:
1. Um... His Church which He builds with His own Hands and convenes and administers/manages - John 15 vs 1 - 14 - , not your churches.

2. Again, compare what is written in Matthew 18 vs 16 - 20 to what you folks do in your churches everyday and tell me if any of what is described of His Church is what takes place in your churches regularly?

1. That's not the church refered to in matthew 18:17 i still doubt if you understand that scripture. Compare the church written in that scripture you wrote up there with the church mentioned in matthew 18:17 and you'll realize you've been spewing out rubbish.
2. It has been compared and no difference. Which church will you tell?

Kobojunkie:
So what you are saying is that everyday of the week you attend your church gatherings, that the above in bold is what you go there for?.

That's not the answer to my question dude!!!

Simple question, according to that scripture. Which church will you tell?

Kobojunkie:
Compare what Jesus Christ commands in Matthew 18 vs 16- 20 to what you all do in your churches and tell me where the commonalities can be found.

I'll keep responding you until you accept that you don't know or understand a bit about the bible.
Everything jesus said is what we do in the church nothing hard or difficult in that commandment.
Now i'm throwing this question at you, according to the scripture "IF YOU ARE OFFENDED AND YOU TELL YOUR OFFENDER AND HE REFUSES YOU INFORM TWO PEOPLE AGAIN HE REFUSES NOW IF YOU WANT TO TELL THE CHURCH WHICH CHURCH WILL YOU TELL?

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The churches are not forcing themselves on you, it's your choice and all i know is that jesus isn't against gathering in his name for the glory of God matthew 18:16-20 case close. No further or prolonging of argument.
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Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ never authorized your churches to begin with. The only Church which He spoke of is that which He built with His own Hands and administers/manages by Himself - John 15 vs 1 - 11

2. Jesus Christ said of those who belong to Him that He alone is Teacher and authority over those who are of His Kingdom. Matthew 28 vs 16- 20 is Jesus Christ mission given to individual followers to go teach the same exact Gospel He taught to them to those in the world(the unsaved and unbelievers).

Many of those who fill your churches every week, and have been doing so for years, have long been supposedly baptized and even born-again, so why do you continue to sit as teacher over them, against Jesus Christ?

1. Jesus is not against the church matthew 18:16-20 and we are the church.
2. The early church have leaders appointed by jesus before his depature.

Kobojunkie:
1. His Church, He spoke of in John 15 vs 1 - 11 are of those who abide by His Teachings(and commandments). Clearly you don't do that, meaning your foundation isn't on the Rock(His teachings and commandments) but on lies fed you by your churches of men. You have more than proven that during the course of this discussion.

2. I don't pretend to understand the whole scripture. It is written in human Language and can clearly be comprehended so. Even Jesus Christ Himself said that in order to gain understanding of the Kingdom of God, one simply needs to use the understanding they already have, for example, basic human language comprehension skills - Matthew 13 vs 12 & Mark 4 vs 22 - 24 & Matthew 25 vs 29.

1. So the church jesus refered to in matthew 18:17 is what? I doubt if you read and understand that scripture.
2. Stop being a hypocrite you don't understand. Jesus words are more spiritual than brain comprehension.

Kobojunkie:
Again....1. The Rock on which Jesus Christ built His Church on is Himself ,God's New Covenant and Law in the Kingdom of God. What this means is that any doctrine and tradition that contravenes the foundation that is He, is not of Him.

Now, according to Him, the Rock, His Church is built by Him - His own hands - meaning everywhere church is of your false teachers and false prophets.

2. I clearly understand those scriptures since they are easily comprehended by anyone skilled in human language. Your attempts at pretending they say what they don't is what I refuse to accept since that is clearly against Jesus Christ.

1. Please tell me where jesus say everywhere church is of false prophet i need direct answer.
2. You still keep decieving yourself, matthew 28:16-20 is hitting you abi?

Kobojunkie:
Again....1. So do you think then that in your disobedience of Jesus Christ's commandments, you are working with Him?

For example, in the passage below, Jesus Christ issues no command at all for anyone to gather using His name. However, your churches use His name to gather and in those gathering, commit many other acts contrary to that which He commanded.
How can any of what you do be considered working with Him?

2. So what Jesus Christ said when He decreed that you have no other father but the Father in Heaven was not simple enough English?,

Are you this fool, haven't i answered your question? Stop prolonging this if you have nothing reasonable to say.
1. We follow jesus teachings and he support our gathering that is built on the rock matt 18:16-20.
2. That was what jesus meant. But you pretend to understand the whole scriptures and that's a depiction of a foolish hypocrite.

Kobojunkie:
1. The Rock on which Jesus Christ built His Church on is Himself ,God's New Covenant and Law in the Kingdom of God. What this means is that any doctrine and tradition that contravenes the foundation that is He, is not of Him.

Now, according to Him, the Rock, His Church is built by Him - His own hands - meaning everywhere church is of your false teachers and false prophets.

2. I clearly understand those scriptures since they are easily comprehended by anyone skilled in human language. Your attempts at pretending they say what they don't is what I refuse to accept since that is clearly against Jesus Christ.

1. Matthew 18:16-20, refers to the church and the church have been built on the rock.
2. You don't understand, ask and stop being a hypocrite. And.... hypocrite are fools that don't ask but wonders while they pretend to understand.

Kobojunkie:
1. So do you think then that in your disobedience of Jesus Christ's commandments, you are working with Him?

For example, in the passage below, Jesus Christ issues no command at all for anyone to gather using His name. However, your churches use His name to gather and in those gathering, commit many other acts contrary to that which He commanded.
How can any of what you do be considered working with Him?

2. So what Jesus Christ said when He decreed that you have no other father but the Father in Heaven was not simple enough English?,

You are pointless.
2. Our pastors aren't our father but God is our father. Cos we don't pray to or do things in our pastor's name but in the name of jesus.
1. I've given u enough scriptures dat support our gathering but u remain foolishly adamant to accept d truth.
Jesus did not say we should not gather in his name he even support gathering in his name for the glory of God mat 18:16-20. Read and understand!!!

Kobojunkie:
1. Recall Jesus Christ said He will build His Church on the Rock? Well, even that declaration is of the Rock, the Gospel, on which His Church is built. So ideas that seek to invalidate the Rock itself are not of Him..

2. So Again.... where Jesus Christ said only One Father in the Kingdom of God, Jesus Christ didn't mean only One Father in the Kingdom of God?.

1. No church is built on sand but on the rock except for the false church cos not all prophet will be false, receive understanding.
2. That was what he meant. But scriptures like mat 18:20, 24:11&24 and the likes you fail to understand nkor?

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ never authorized any man to use His name in gathering people in the first place.

2. In fact Yes! There are about 100 commandments that make it the Law and Rock, Jesus Christ, on which His Church is founded. So any idea or mention that violates the rock is not of Him..

1. Matthew 12:30, 1 corinthian 5:4, psalm 50:5, hebrew 10:25, matthew 18:20, act 13:.44 so there's no where jesus condemn gathering in his name. We do it for the glory of God and not man.
2. Jesus doesn't need to explain to his disciples like a kid before they could understand what he was saying except for the parables which he need to explain, but this is a simple english which you ought to comprehend as an adult, english won't explain it all for you only to comprehend. Simple!!!

Kobojunkie:
Again.... I don't understand? So where Jesus Christ said only One Father in the Kingdom of God, Jesus Christ didn't mean only One Father in the Kingdom of God?.

What has parable to do with this now abeg?

The question you ask is only what jesus taught abi? Asking questions on simple english LOL.
All other teachings that you fail to understand and you start twisting in your hypocrisy nkor?

Kobojunkie:
1. How can you, in your disobedience of His basic commands to you as individuals, be said to be fulfilling anything for Him as a collective? Don't you see how that is impossible given that which Jesus Christ taught and asks of His individual followers?

2. Those verses don't say any such of what you claim. You sure say you no need glasses at all?

1. Jesus do not in anywhere condemn gathering in his name, atleast he didn't say don't gather in my name, but he said where two, three or more are gathered in his name he's there.
2. I said your level of reasoning is low, is it until jesus say it before you believe that that was what he meant, english is nt d best language to explain words, it might not be written or explain in full, but a matured mind will understand. Not a hypocrite who sit at home to look for a means to condemn christ church.

Kobojunkie:
I don't understand? So where Jesus Christ said only One Father in the Kingdom of God, Jesus Christ didn't mean only One Father in the Kingdom of God?.

That doesn't mean you understand his preaching, jesus mostly speak in parables. "Don't wonder ask!!! if you don't understand, check my signature

Kobojunkie:
▪︎You don't follow the doctrines and traditions of men yet everyone doctrine you have spewed here thus far stands against that declared by Jesus Christ of His own Kingdom which you all claim to belong to.
▪︎ Jesus Christ didn't need to directly condemn your churches since what He did instead was condemn the actions of individuals who would use His name to propagate lies, something your pastors and mogs, and hence their followers are most notorious for doing.

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Jesus Christ said that for those in His flock there is only one Father and He is in Heaven. Yet, you probably don't believe Jesus Christ and refer to your Pastors and Mogs as your fathers in the Kingdom of God.
So, I ask you directly now, is Jesus Christ the liar here or are your pastors and mogs who run your churches instead the liars that Jesus Christ called them out as?

No one's lying, it's u dat don't understand jesus teachings, well.... u've been left to ur reprobate mind.

Kobojunkie:
So what you are saying is this
▪︎Jesus Christ teaching that He's leader/authority Head/Master etc., over those who belong to Him - Matthew 6 vs 24 & Matthew 23 vs 8 - 10 & Matthew 20 vs 24 - 28 & Mark 10 vs 42 - 45 & John 10 vs 7 - 16 - is a lie?
▪︎ Jesus Christ condemnin d doctrines nd traditions of men as lies which push men away God's Truth, rendering their worshipof God vain - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13 - is also a lie?
▪︎ Jesus Christ sending His disciples only tothose in the world the unsaved people- nd nt to those who're already saved is also a lie - Mark 16 vs 15 - 16
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Mat 24:14, 28:19-20 only the christ assemblies are fuffiling that not you hypocrites that sit at home and condemn christ church.
Mat 24:11&24, that bible passage tells us that jesus christ knew there'd churches with prophets but to be beware of false prophets among the prophets not all prophets will b false. Try to understand.

Kobojunkie:
So what you are saying is this

▪︎Jesus Christ teaching that He is leader/authority, Head/Master etc., over those who belong to Him - Matthew 6 vs 24 & Matthew 23 vs 8 - 10 & Matthew 20 vs 24 - 28 & Mark 10 vs 42 - 45 & John 10 vs 7 - 16 - is a lie?

▪︎ Jesus Christ condemning the doctrines and traditions of men as lies which push men away away God's Truth, rendering their worship of God vain - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13 - is also a lie?
▪︎ Jesus Christ sending His disciples only to those in the world- the unsaved people- and not to those who are already saved is also a lie - Mark 16 vs 15 - 16

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All the bible passages are not buttressing your point, once again we don't practice men tradition and doctrine but jesus teachings.
Jesus never condemned the church only the pharisees but your lack of knowledge, level of reasoning and hypocrisy made you condemn jesus church.

Kobojunkie:
Be specific!

Stop lying against jesus that he was the one who condemned his church, he only condemned the pharisees and not his church. You are now using the name of jesus to condemn his church or jesus told you to condemn his church "with his name

Kobojunkie:
1. Stop confusing you assumptions of what was written in an epistle with the Truth of God. Jesus Christ instead told you of His Church that He builds it - of His own hands.

2. There you go with this your victim mentality again. What I hate are the lies you spew in the name of Jesus Christ.

1. Jesus has built us on his rock and your gate shall never prevail. Have your condemnation change anything? No!!!
2. I'm still wating for the day you will stop allowing the devil to use you to attack the church of christ and including yourself.

Kobojunkie:
1. Sin is transgression/disobedience of God's Law/commandments. Jesus Christ spoke to the Pharisees, themselves followers of God's Old Law against the sins they commited against God by following their own doctrines and traditions instead of God's commandments.

Jesus Christ never sent you or anyone to condemn this who are in the world in His name. The only thing He sent you out to do is to teach His Gospel and Truth to those in the world.

Your churches claim to be of Jesus Christ aka God's New Covenant Law and Gospel, don't they? And to correct you, I am not the one who condemns them. Instead God's Truth does since what I do is teach the Truth as opposed the lies they do using the name of Jesus Christ.

LIES UPON LIES, you condemn us not God's truth stop lying against God.

Kobojunkie:
The Gospel never mentions them nor does it does it condemn any one in the world. So, again, when you lot condemn them using the name of Jesus Christ, whose Gospel do you teach?

When you uphold ideas that are not of Him - your "Christian" marriages, "Christian" businesses etc., your Spiritual fathers, your shepherds - using the name of Jesus Christ in perpetrating these lies, whose gospel do you teach? Definitely not Jesus Christ.

Jesus christ mentioned sins when preaching, he even spotted what the pharisees are doing, we are just giving examples of the behaviour and character God dislike. Who are we to condemn or judge when jesus said "do not judge so ye won't be judged" common you have no reasonable reason to attack or condemn the church.
According to your illustration, you also have gone against jesus teaching cos you've condemned, judged and attacked the church since the gospel is about preaching the love of christ and not condemning.

Kobojunkie:
So, the Holy Spirit, the very one Jesus Christ said will never contradict Him is the same one your church people accuse of contradicting Jesus Christ?

Found what church? Jesus Christ His Church is built by Him - His own hand build/found His own Church. So, who founded what?

Jesus that said he's going to establish the church is whom you accuse for teaching you on how to condemn the church.

Jesus founded his church but he had elected people like the disciples who he will use in gathering men for the kingdom. "though we are the elect people but there are some specific people that would be used like moses.

All your hatred won't change anything, if you like commit suicide. i'm waiting for the day you will stop allowing the devil to use you in attacking the church of christ including yourself.

Kobojunkie:
I am sent as witness to preach the same teachings(and commandments) which Jesus Christ taught to His followers. And no where in His teachings did Jesus Christ attack or condemn those in the world.... not even the prostitutes, the homosexuality, adulterers etc. So you tell me in whose name do you do these things that Jesus Christ never taught you to do?

Jesus Christ live His live in continuous submission to and obedience of God's Old Covenant Law and Constitution to the Nation of isreal, in fulfillment of that Law, not the Gospel.

No one is condemning them, only preaching the gospel.

Kobojunkie:
1. NEWSFLASH! The Gospel is God’s New Covenant Law - about 100 commandments in total - which Jesus Christ taught to His followers, with instructions to go out and preach the exact same to those in the world..

2. Here's one example. Jesus Christ said He alone is Teacher, Master/Head, Authority/Leader, Shepherd..... over those who belong to Him. However, you churchians conveniently create for yourselves teachers, leaders, even Shepherd and fathers(spiritual) of men, against Jesus Christ, using His name..

1. LOL
2. Lies. All this things we discuss them in church, i was expecting you to say something different entirely from the teachings i hear in church but you've failed. Well church leaders are appointed with the direction of the holyspirit the way the early apostles were selected by jesus christ.
What of those who found church with the inspiration of the holyspirit are also elected by church members that have not be gathered? LOL

Kobojunkie:
It is 7:20pm here. I am just getting settled in to watch movies all night.

Really? You don't condemn homosexuality, prostitutes, etc., using Jesus Christ's name?

So you are in support of it?
Or was that what your jesus came to fufill? LOL

Kobojunkie:
I am just pretending I love Jesus Christ by doing exactly that which Jesus Christ said those who love Him will do - John 14 vs 15 - 25?

2. Your beliefs literally conflict with Jesus Christ, God's Truth hence the foundation is of lies and not Jesus Christ.

1. You don't spread the gospel and you're saying you follow his commandment. LOL
2. Explain o... how our belief conflict jesus teaching.

Kobojunkie:
No one is, yet most everything you have spewed from the beginner of this conversation stands on conflict with the very teachings(and commandments) of Jesus Christ. How come?

Jesus Christ never sent you to condemn the world in His name. He told you this when He warned you that He has come to save, not to condemn. So why do you do that which is against Him yet lie about it when called out on it??

You're sleepy right? Go and sleep and let's continue the conversation tomorrow.
But where and how do we condemn the world? Or you that condemned the church of God.

Kobojunkie:
Now, I hate your churches even though I clearly don't hate Jesus Christ? Great!... LOL...

2. Again, Jesus Christ spoke those Words of those who are His friends, those who do as He commands aka those who live their lives in submission to and obedience of His teachings(and commandments) . So when you who abide instead by the doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches) lies which Jesus Christ warned against, claim you are hated by the world, be sure they do not hate you because you hated them first.

1. You're just pretending as if you love jesus, you can't condemn jesus church and still say you love jesus.
2. Your last assumptions were lies. Ok how are we following the traditions and doctrine of men?

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ and your churches cannot be right at the same time. So you decide, do you follow Jesus Christ or do you instead follow the lies your churches feed you using His name?

I'm following jesus christ and churches aren't feeding us with lies only the false prophets feed their sheep with lies "matthew 24:11&24"