About Mr. Babatundes claims that the preservation of the textiles point to a much later date even though he knew how proximity to copper and bronze preserves materials, he went ahead to fraudulently claim there were no copper around the find.

Thurstan shaw had this to say about Babatunde lawals claim "It is difficult to understand how anyone who had
read pp. 240-2 of Igbo- Ukwu with any attention could have made such
a statement, since ten textile specimens are there described as being asso-
ciated with copper or bronze objects, and six others as being actually
wrapped around them.

I'm sure you must have come across this dismissal by Thurstan shaw himself but chose to be blind

cc Tao11

TAO11:
Don’t think, know instead.

And if you claim to know, then name me one expert who claimed to have dated the Igbo-Ukwu ‘bronzes’ themselves. None! Not even Thurstan Shaw.

Yes, it is only fair that all scholarly articles should publish the assumed date pending when a definitive work will pinpoint the ‘bronzes’ to their later dates.

But if we’re asking about the nature of the dates usually associated with the ‘bronzes,’ we have read from the horse’s mouth that they aren’t factual or conclusive.

What has been dated are some composite charcoal samples, as well as a piece of wood from what was interpreted as a stool.

And the radiocarbon dates obtained for these samples (charcoal, wood, etc.) are the very ones submitted by none other than Professor Thurstan Shaw.

He simply assumed that the dates from these charcoals and wood should be the same date for the ‘bronzes’.

What you posted here is at best a half-truth or possibly a straight falsehood
Thustan shaw never wrote the paper you quoted to discredit the antiquity or age of the Igbo-ukwu artifacts as you would like readers to believe.

infact this paper was a response to people like like Dr babatunde lawal and T.northtrup that raised objections to his 9th - 11th century dating of Igbo-ukwu, This paper was to strengthen his earlier stance, but in shear desperation you tried to pass this off as disclaimer, Kindly point me to where Thurstan shaw stated that his earlier datings of Igbo-ukwu were false if not that they require further archeological study to precisely establish the date?

Dr Babatunde lawal was busy putting up a straw-man and knocking it down even qouting what was not in Mr shaws original report on Igbo-ukwu, All his unfounded claims about Igbo-ukwu being from the 16th century were rubbished by thurstan shaw in this same paper and i will now post screenshots

TAO11:
The dates associated with the ‘bronzes’ are those published by Thurstan Shaw. And the bronzes themselves weren’t dated.

You can only hope for more work in the future which will in fact pinpoint the actual latter date argued by Shaw himself and others.

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“SUMMARY
In the discussion of the reliance which should be placed on the Igbo-Ukwu radiocarbon dates, it is necessary to make certain that what evidence we have is correctly used. The precise locations of the samples used for dating are recalled and possible sources of error discussed. Consideration is given to the arguments for a date later than that suggested by the radiocarbon dates, stemming from the state of preservation of the textiles, the character of the beads, the pottery evidence, analogies with the presumed dating of Ife and Benin, the quantity and the source of the copper, and what is known of pre-European trading patterns in West Africa. The latter is probably the most serious objection to a very early date, but the question will only be settled with the acquisition of more archaeological evidence.”

~ Thurstan Shaw, “Those Igbo-Ukwu Radiocarbon Dates: Facts, Fictions and Probabilities”, The Journal of African History, Vol. 16, No. 4, (1975), p.517.

I think more radiocarbon datings have been carried out on the Igbo-ukwu artifacts, The date on all scholarly articles is pegged at 9th century, After Thurstan shaw a whole lot of other anthropologists have worked with the artifacts and none mentioned a later date

Hellraiser77:
[s][/s] Delusions should actually be your second name, then fraud your third ....... Igbo-ukwu will forever be the oldest known culture in Nigeria perhaps even the whole West-Africa, Tao11s insecurity and emotional tantrums cant change anything

Further radio carbon datings will only reveal igbo ukwu to be much older than is currently accepted, Thurstan shaw wasn't the only archeologist to acknowledge the antiquity of Igbo-ukwu

Crixxx:


This polo really looks good

100% Aba made, It will soon go on sale

"Oriaku"

Even Chinese

Resurrection212:
Shut up you are already peeing In your body.

Mr Adeyinka are you tired of claiming igbo?

Bringing 2017 news and editing it is the height of your Uselessness, Infact most igbos want this news to be true anyway

Simplyleo:
I agree with the op 100%

Zombies are too dull to understand sarcasm, I'm not surprised

This is for people that think there are good and bad Fulani, If the AK-47 wielding Fulani attack a community chances are they are in cohort with the resident fulani

Resurrection212:
You are unfortunate being you are not Yoruba now you are trying to cause problems here

i'm yoruba and our past leaders like Awolowo made us not to progress, all our people are running to lagos and forget their home state, all the other states in our yoruba land is empty with only old people in brown roof bungalows, i'm really ashamed to be yoruba

johnmartus:
Guy keep your distance before I curse you here .No man or woman from southeast dead or living greater than Baba Awolowo.

All sensible yoruba like me have cursed Awolowo, the man sold us cheap

kettykin:
Nigerians and their infantile tirades. So igbos should not celebrate their own, but if it is Anthony Joshua we will not be allowed to rest.

Anyone ever noticed then when ever igbos makes progress abroad a certain part of the country loose their sleep and become restless

Its congenital envy and jealousy towards igbos Most yoruba are born with it, Thats why i pity igbo forming De-tribalised , This snakes habour a lot of vile towards igbo people

FrLukas:
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All yoruba are stuck in perpetual envy and jealousy of igbo people

IvarDboneless:

Oga forget dual citizenship..the west especially North American don't just give you citizenship they build you and make you become a part of them to an extent wherever you are coming from doesn't matter anymore. Abi you think say that man they reason anything Nigeria. His an American bro and his name doesn't matter it's just a name. Same thing happened in the case of that racer kid ugochukwu ugochukwu, they are all Americans.

Yes, they are simply IGBOs and not Nigerian

FrLukas:


You are longing story here.

There's dual citizenship and he could be one.

After all, Ngozi Okonjo Iweala is also one too and many many others.

I agree that his success has nothing to do with Nigeria and we should stop claiming people who probably had to flee the country just to be able to make it in life.

But if he was yoruba all of you ewedu envious things would be shouting lagba up and down

jealousy is the bane of every yoruba person

donstan18:
Ebonyi people aren’t full blooded Igbos.


Let’s be serious please. They are way different and behaves like the Hausas.

Ondo and Ekiti people are not really yoruba people to be honest

SuperBold:
The inferior ones should be from Abia and Imo

No its Ondo and Ogun

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Simplyleo:

Abacha was just an idiot.
I keep wondering why he created additional two states in the East.

Just look at the tiny areas in the east that are not even the sizes of some local govt areas in the North.

As if that is not enough, these tiny states receive averagely same allocation as whole states, yet provision of ordinary portable pipe borne water is a very big problem.

A state that should be glowing to the admiration of everyone cannot provide water? And sime miscreants will be comparing this state with another state having 44 local govt areas with each local govt area equal in size with the whole state and receiving almost same oyel allocation?

What exactly is the states' contribution to fed purse? Some states need to be merged.

[/s] In your abundance of wisdom ot should i say stupidity you didn't realize states were not created for empty bushes and forest you call Landmass but for human population

That being said now tell me what all the big for nothing sparsely populated states in the north contributes to the federal purse apart from usesless population that made Nigeria the poverty capital of the world

Factshunter:



Cry? By the time your ban become effective you will understand the word ' cry ' behind your closed door.


Mynd44 rule no.1 is broken.

Call your yoruba mods to ban me......still wouldn't help open defecation in ibadan

SuperBold your imaginary ipob is now attacking Onitsha and nobody is tagging him afonja

You see why i said most yoruba in this forum dey ment?......all of you are obsessed with everything igbo

Factshunter:


Mynd44

A rule has just been broken - off topic.

Thank you in advance.

Yes cry me a river

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Factshunter:


The Igbos are frustrated looking for Avenue to cover their shame and yesterday's misfortune hence they've resorted to using false headlines to salvaged their bruised ego.

[/s] How will this crap you are spewing help is flush out shit here in ibadan?