Solababa91:
Thank God you earlier emphasized you are a biochemist, if you we're to be a medical personnel I wouldn't have replied you so I am doing this to lecture you and all others that might have been misled that:
1. JOHESU made it's plight and grievances known to the govt and not Doctors long before this strike and that it should be known that the govt acceded to it's request only for it not to implement it as it common to Nigerian Govt and that the statement that brought the name Doctors to this exercise was from the Minister of Health (probably being a medical doctor) that what JOHESU wanted was an equal salary to Doctors' just to win public sympathy (he is a politician and so am not surprised to hear that from him) and findings showed that it was NMA who blocked the implementation through one of it's member(The Hon Minister of Health).

2. That generators of health establishment or hospitals are all out off would probably be a directive from the hospital management (which all comprises of Doctors because they know and agree that if JOHESU members are not working, the hospital is automatically shut down and little or none can be done, that is to show you how important JOHESU is to the system.

3. Let me also lecture you that the word Doctor is also used in other profession in the health sector but because of the decay in our health sector we are still operating a crude curriculum. Take for an example in Afghanistan there is Doctor of Physiotherapy, even in Europe and U. S. but because the ministry of health in Nigeria is filled with MEDICAL DOCTORS that would not be allowed to be included in it Nigeria counterpart. Go and do your research about this (I mean Doctors in other health care discipline). Nigeria Society of Physiotherapist (NSP) at least am sure if I still fighting these at the moment. So that a JOHESU member want to be called a Dr or likes to be called one is not over bound.

The answer to your last question can be seen in the other thread you directed me from. I hope have been a able to answer your questions and lecture you and also assert my earlier claim that you are misleading the public?. Please do your research about what you don't know before making claim or assertions. Thanks.

Your No. 2 sounds funny. Was the hospital shut down when doctors treated striking JOHESU members that had accident?
Smh.

That Afghanistan have doctor on physiotherapy does not make it a working template in Nigeria.

For now, they are still fighting for it, they have not achieved it, so let them stop answering doctors and be proud of their own. It doesn't hurt. The more they acclaim themselves to be doctors, the more they reduce themselves to nothing. What does it take to be proud of what you are for crying out loud?

By the way, what's your profession? Are a JOHESUite?

Solababa91:


There is strength in numbers I believe you know? The Medical Doctors have numerical strength than all other professionals in the health sector, hence the amalgation of these professionals to fight a common fight. Cleared?

In other words, the almagamation is politically motivated to fight doctors?

Solababa91:


Can you provide the reasons why they are the best? Please am here. It's just like saying a political scientists is the best fit to govern a state or a country. The hospital do not belong to any health professional (Doctors or JOHESU amalgamates) it belongs to the patient for God sake. If there are no patients there wouldn't be an hospital. Right or wrong?

The hospital belongs to the patients. True. The doctor is the best person to head the hospital because he know the situation of the patient more than any health worker. He makes diagnosis, he prescribes the drug. The patient cannot receive any drug without the approval of the doctor. Hence the doctor should head the hospital.

JoannaSedley:
I prefer the unbiased right ups in that thread than this one you have here. All I see here is the same grandstanding of NMA. I am not moved by the biochemistry degree holder opening lines.

Ugomba made an opening without leaning towards one profession. He threw it open for all to comment, and suggest.

there is no professional called JOHESU.
But yours reeks of biased opinions from the above statement. Do you know that doctors where once members of this union.

Sorry for derailing your thread anyway. You may mention but I am done here.

You have issues with comprehension.work on it.
My point is that, there is NO profession called JOHESU. Its just different persons coming together.they offer different values and should agitate differently.

Solababa91:


First, security men and cleaners are not part of JOHESU, JOHESU is made up of licensed professionals please correct that. And please stop reeling falsehood to the public JOHESU is not asking for same salary as Doctors, both are on different salary scale, so that cannot be possible, what JOHESU is asking for is justification (if you increased the Doctors salary twice why not give us same). Mind you the salary was not equal before that of the Doctors we're increased so there is no point misleading the public that JOHESU want to see at par with the Doctors. The answer to tour second question is that the Doctors salary would always be made as a point if reference because both parties (JOHESU and NMA we're both on same salary scale before) so there is no how you'll talk about the health sector salary structure and you will want to forget the origin. Let me also lecture you or inform you that even the JOHESU amalgamates do not earn equal pay/salaries. So stop misleading the public that JOHESU wants to be at par with Doctors when even it's constituents do not get equal pay, and mind you this issue is not all about salary why are you not talking about the other issues JOHESU is asking for aside salary? There is the management personnel issue, there is the consultancy issue and all others, how is being a Consultant in Physiotherapy going to affect that of Doctor's, or being a Doctor of Pharmacy? wouldn't it help Foster service delivery? because a consultant physiotherapist or a Doctor of Pharmacy would have had more knowledge base, skill and exposure than just a Senior Physiotherapist or a Pharmacist and ditto in the service delivery.

Why not say, "Govt please increase our salary" than saying "since you increased the salary of doctors, increase ours".

Maybe you dont know, go to hospitals today, its only doctors you will see. Even those that on generator are on strike, ...and you are busy emphasizing " pls don't mislead the public" . lolz, that's how we know you people, politicians, always playing the "don't mislead the public" game.

I did not also hear your comments about JOHESUites answering doctors, thereby relegating their own profession and making the doctors more proud? or am I also misleading the public on that?

How about ,the govt outsourcing the health sector?

JoannaSedley:
Your article does not make sense.

Lack of respect for others.
The same grandstanding NMA is known for.
Same -go and buy jamb form level of argument.

Go to Ugombas thread and see solutions being proffered from unbiased perspectives

Outline the statement in the writeup that is disrespectful. Who told you, that ugomba thread was bought by JOHESU, check the first ten commenters and their previous threads. I know the amarabae of a lady. She is a nurse. You don't even know what is happening.

Meanwhile am waiting for my disrespectful statement.

Solababa91:


Hospitals are institution as well as WHO. right or wrong? hospitals consists of several health professionals, as well as WHO.

WHO is an organization. Its like saying, because Buhari is president of Nigeria, as a cattle rearer, therefore anybody can head the hospital. False. Doctors are best persons to manage the hospital.

Paperwhite:
Balance insightful writeup.Ngwa,ndi JOHESU over to unu

Thank you.

Solababa91:
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Who made the rule and when #and where was it made? You can only deceive yourself not the public. Who oversees WHO today? A Medical Doctor?

WHO is not a hospital. It is an organization.

Come in here
https://www.nairaland.com/4518317/johesu-vs-nma-suggestion-federal

Another case scenario is saying C Ronaldo and any other realmadrid footballer are team mates, and because they work as a team, they should receive the same pay.

If you have a superior argument ,bring it on...

https://www.nairaland.com/4518317/johesu-vs-nma-suggestion-federal

Dething:
Doctors should not be the only ones heading the Units. Why will the doctors be the heads of all Federal Medical centres? You will see a small boy Doctor who left school barely 5 years ago will be controlling a senior matron Nurse who has been working for 30 year with Masters Degree in Nursing. Johesu is right on that! Being a doctor is by choice, many people did not want to be doctors from the outset of their lives, they wants to Medical scientist, pharmacist, Nurse, Radiologist, etc. Must everybody be doctor to head a unit?

Why are we acting like Doctors are super human? they simply chose to be! Others who chose other career have right to rule.

30years of nursing does not qualify you a Doctor.
The rule was not made because of you, it was there before you went buying your jamb form into nursing science. Stick to the rule or go buy another jamb.

By the way, I am not. Doctor. I studied biochemistry/ Microbiology. However, i am not saying it for everone to believe it, but for the sake of sane minds that may wish to do critical analysis. But I have been an ardent observer of this JOHESU strike with NMA involvements.

First of all I will suggest a solution to the govt.

Who is JOHESU? They are:
Nurses
Medical laboratorians
Physiotherapists
Pharmacist
Cleaners
Security men
Technicians
Mortuary attendants
Morticians
Etc....

Except doctors

...there is no professional called JOHESU.

Advice 1:

JOHESU should be dissolved. And each profession should be reviews and paid commensurately. If possible let their salary be increased no matter how little, but not at par with doctors, because they are doctors. I also urge doctors to accept it, even though Johesu caused the fight by comparing their salary with that of a doctor, as if they are prohibited from becoming doctors.

There are two things that determine what you earn

1. The value you offer
2. The process involved in you becoming trained to be able to offer that value.


I want to tell people that,the people that earn least in any establishment are usually cleaners and messengers. It is not because the VALUE THEY OFFER is not valuable, but because THE PROCESS INVOLVED IN BECOMING A CLEANER costs little or nothing.


Now JOHESU claim they are working as a team with doctors... By the way, why can't they ask for salary increase without mentioning doctors??


I want to tell us that President Buhari and his personal driver and pilot are working as a team. So should buhari receive same pay with his driVer? is Buhari's salary suppose to be mentioned when the salary structure of his driver is being discussed?

The answer is no.and the reason is simple. You cannot discuss what it takes to be a driver When you talking about what it takes to be a president.
So JOHESU should stop bringing doctors into their case, they take their case to the govt (their employers) and settle.

The more they say doctors are maltreating them ,the more they provoke them the more because, No doctor will ever go to the ward and start nursing patients. No doctor is ready to go to lab and be doing widal test or malaria test, no doctor is willing to be a cleaner, a mortician or a driver etc.
Rather ,it is the other way round. Johesu is always comparing abroad, if you go abroad and mistakingly call a nurse a doctor, he or she will correct you and tell you that he is a nurse and not a doctor. That is what we call pride of profession. Try it in Nigeria and call a med lab scientist a doctor, he will first smile,remove his specs, arrange his tie, and then answer you: "/how are you" with a smile of fulfilment.

In Nigeria, as longer you are driving in and out of the hospital everyday, you are doctor. Tell me,if you are a doctor why won't you be proud ? We say doctors are proud ,but the same JOHESU are making them more proud,by trying to be doctors by all means. Doctors have noticed this, and are proud and jealous of their profession. It is natural to be so. Even God told us that he is a jealous God.

Why can't these guys be proud as a nurse, as a pharmacist, as a med lab scientists, as a physiotherapist, as a driver. Etc. Then if you want to answer doctor, you go and buy jamb.



Advice 2:
Government should outsource every profession in health sector.

Those are the two suggestions for the government. If you have a superior argument, bring it on...

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dalongjnr:

I thought u're intelligent but.... Are u saying nurses'/pharm doesn't read or are not intelligent or what? infact, there are nurses that earns more than some consultant physicians in the USA, AUSTRALIA, ETC, depending on field of specialties/qualifications

This is Nigeria. Thanks.

Amarabae:

Whether they see other as team members or not does not matter,
What matters is Johesu getting justice.
I am happy that Nigerians are now aware of the mess in the health sector and the cause.
How one profession want to suppress other professions is shocking.

Always masturbating in nma vs johesu threads. Nigerians are now aware because the doctors don't have your time yet.keep on playing the victim card, when doctors have your time, you will wake up.

xreal:


Do you know the rigours pharmacist go through before being certified? Same goes to medical health records professionals who renew their certificates every year (either employed or not).

Relate with the physiotherapist, Radiologist and you will know how vital their role is in the hospital.

Don't let us mention nurses.

Being a medical doctor is by choice, just as being a medical laboratory scientist is.

Discrimination shouldn't be that obvious in a government established hospital.

Yes, doctors can earn more from call duty allowances, pharmacist also run call, virtually most of these professionals run one of either overtime, call, and so on. The difference can come from there and not salary scale.

Also if I am a Radiologist, let an experienced radiologist head my department and not a medical doctor.

I am sure if JOHESU keeps quiet as they had been, a medical doctor will head the works department ( if that hasn't been happening already).

Ignorance written all over you and your write up. You cannot be a a radiologist without being a Doctor. There is a difference between radiographer and radiologist. Argue with your google .

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Preshy561:

shut up,just shut up and keep kwayet.

Hmm. Is everything alright with you?

Preshy561:

bla bla bla shiit.
You think it's everyone that's even interested in that marriage balderdash you use to get some women to their knees?

what of the ones that did the washing nonsense?where are they now?
exes right? to hell with him and his wife material nonsense.

I pity the man that will marry you (if any).
If you dont knw d value of man to a woman, go and ask. Linda ikeji (a billionaire) is RECEIVING congratulatory msg world wide, just b/c a MAN engaged her... Food fo thought.

ayusco85:


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ayusco85:


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Preshy561:
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don't be a lazy youth.

so long she's your girlfriend and not wife, you have no reason whatsoever to complain about not being birthed,brushed or cooked for.Dafuq,what are you guys turning ladies into??

is she your slave or your Nanny?

U sound so pained and, taking it personal also. It is the man that will marry a woman not the other way round. So the woman must show some qualities of a wife b4 she will become one. You can't do overnight as a wife wat u couldn't do as a gf.

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Amarabae:

You de mind them?
Only them are educated in the health sector, others are not.
Let me mind my business before they say that I am envying them .
.

You are here again? Did you read my write-ups? I'm expecting your comment.

Glitzcaret:
@ogalnnocent
Its pride that is killing the some black nations....
I currently practice in the U.S and doctors don't have this backward mentality (superior to other health professionals).
It a shame that Nigerian train doctors lack respect for others.
I deal with facts so name any civilized nation that behave like you guys.

Point of correction. Doctors can[b] NOT[/b]disrespect other health professionals because they are not their rivals. But if there is disrespect by nigerian doctors to JOHESU, it is simply reactionary due to their (JOHESU) continued challenge of the doctors. Imagine a graduate of medical laboratory science hanging stethoscope on his neck and saying he is a diagnostic doctor. Can u imagine that? Does that happen in your civilized setting?

In Nigeria, every one working in the hospital is answering a doctor. Doctors can't just fold hand and watch them. So any action by the doctors is reactionary. Otherwise, what does a doctor gain by victimizing a nurse who has done him no wrong. But when a nurse starts claiming he /she can do what d doctors can do...I wonder!! My brother, just reason that.

naijaking1:
@op
Thanks for a good write up.
I was med lab tech or scientist as we used to call ourselves, then I went medical school.
A med lab consultant is like a carpenter who nailed the wooding panels of a decking calling himself an engineer who designed and built the whole structure.
Consultants go to schoil and do residency for about 14 years, while med lab guys do only years in university.
My medical school class had people with firt degrees in med tech, pharmacy, nursing, and even law.
It's only in a corrupt system like Nigeria that someone begin to ask for a position they are not even remotely qualified for without going to jail.

My brother, thank you. I am wondering what is even giving them the temerity. Its a pity.

otokx:
The OP has said a lot of things and nicely too.

Thanks

Phythondancer:
These guys nearly spoilt show during med sch.

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