Ijawman:

He is a good example of a Yoruba. Here in the US, they drop names like ''no man's'' business. Useless people.

Inferior Igboman, you will hide under Yoruba identity today and Ijaw tomorrow and Benin next tomorrow. Haba! It's all about this western region sha! Inferiority complex won't kill you fake-ass.

Who is Yar' dull, if not for incestuous Gorrila that put him there, who is he? Yar' dull, mind you we are not in a military dispensation again ooooo and we practice democracy not theocracy (where Ayatolla can ban anybody at his characteristically will.
NB: To all the Yorubas' haters, would you get a life! We know haters everywhere, but do we care? Definitely no! Y'all gays need to suck my nuts and let me fart in y'all stinking mouths.

nex:

Becomerich

I hail you O! The solution to everything is somehow linked with Benin Republic. I have told you that we the Edo will join this new Benin Republic arrangement only if the Oba of Benin will be made the supreme leader of the new Republic.

@Nex
You should know already that Oba of Benin doesn't qualify to be a supreme leader. Haba! You want to re-write history

babapupa:

ekitikan-

Shouldn't you at least rebut his sensible and valid points before you begin run mouth like twittie?


Dislike the man if you must, the fact still remains that Abiola was not your average Naija Poltician/Rich man. The man made his bones and did good with his money and for his country.

Just Imagine where Naija go dey now if we have just 100 Abiola's,


In 1956 Moshood Abiola started his professional life as bank clerk with Barclays Bank plc in Ibadan, South-West Nigeria. After two years he joined the Western Region Finance Corporation as an executive accounts officer before leaving to Glasgow, Scotland to pursue his higher education.

In Glasgow he received 1st class in political economy, commercial law and management accountancy. He also received a distinction from the Institute of Chartered Accountants of Scotland.

On his returm to Nigeria he worked as a senior accountant at the University of Lagos Teaching Hospital, then went onto Pfizer, before joining the ITT Corporation, where he later rose to the position of Vice President, Africa and Middle-East of the entire corporation which was head-quartered in the United States.

As a result Moshood Abiola spend much of his time and made most of his money in the United States, whilst retaining the post of chairman of the corporation's Nigerian subsidiary.

In addition to his duty's throughout the Middle-East and Africa, Moshood Abiola invested heavily in Nigeria and West Africa. He set up Abiola Farms, Abiola bookshops, Radio Communications Nigeria, Wonder bakeries, Concord Press, Concord Airlines, Summit oil international ltd, Africa Ocean lines, Habib Bank, Decca W.A. ltd, and Abiola football club.

In addition to this he also magaged to perform his duties as Chairman of the G15 business council, President of the Nigerian Stock Exchange, Patron of the Kwame Nkrumah Foundation, Patron of the WEB Du Bois foundation, trustee of the Martin Luther King foundation and director of the International Press Institute[4].


Moshood Abiola sprang to national and international prominence as a result of his philanthropic activities. The Congressional Black Caucus of the United States of America issued the following tribute to Moshood Abiola:


From 1972 until his death Moshood Abiola had been conferred with 197 traditional titles by 68 different communities in Nigeria, in response to the fact that his financial assistance resulted in the construction of 63 secondary schools, 121 mosques and churches, 41 libraries, 21 water projects in 24 states of Nigeria, and was grand patron to 149 societies or associations in Nigeria. In this way Abiola reached out and won admiration across the multifarious ethnic and religious divides in Nigeria.

In addition to his work in Nigeria, Moshood Abiola was a dedicated supporter of the Southern African Liberation movements from the 1970's and he sponsored the campaign to win reparations for slavery and colonialism in Africa and the diaspora. Chief Abiola, personally rallied every African head of state, and every head of state in the black diaspora to ensure that Africans would speak with one voice on the issues

Gbam! May your days be long, may you walk and never stumble and may sky be your limit.
We have to watch out for the antics of Igbo people nowadays. They are for no good! I told them many time "you don't the fingers that feed you."
These envious people want to re-write history and take away our superior culture!
They traveled to South America back and forth to convince our more than 70 million Yoruba people. These people have already established with Orisha and they want to introduce Ani or Chukwu to them. Guess what? They chased them away!
They (Igbo people) should know better that “if lies fly thousand years away, it’s just one day that the truth shall prevail,” that’s exactly what happens to Yoruba culture. Because we (Yorubas) are unaware about the great impact our religion had in New World. Now, there is increasing touring to Nigeria to Ife, since some intruders are trying to pollute our peoples’ mind over there. They come in multitude to trace their lineage. They said many Igbo people have been coming over there in the past and urged them to do DNA test; but they asked “would that change their perception about Ifa, Oshun, Oya e.t.c.?
Igbo people claimed they help Haiti and West indies to push a revolt for independence, but at the end of the day. Haiti had already established with Ogun, Shango and Obatala, while West Indies had established with Oshun and Oya. This should speak volumes about this Yoruba religion. The only religion that made it out of Africa! Check your Wikipedia if you doubt me.
We did not travel to South America to preach about our religion, they embraced it because that’s what most western world hates most (and Ifa divination module is the best gift to mankind)! It became a tool over there to equip communists and socialists to fight hegemony power of capitalists. The then Cuban president, Fidel Castro (publicly announced that his religion is Santeria—blending of catholism with Orisha). I don’t care if anybody hates, Orisha is the movement right now!
They banned it during slavery in America and even banned Bata talking drums. Before America lifted the embargo on Cuba, there were 8 million South Americans in USA practicing Santeria—blending of catholism with Orisha. Now, that there is no restriction; they envisaged that before 2030 there will be 50 million people practicing Santeria in just USA.
Abiola has left a giant step on the sand of time.
Igbo people boost of being rebellious, even they categorically stated it on their Bia-failed website, but at the end of the day, they always lose.

Just watch out on this forum, they will be the first to post anything sensitive about other tribes and be the first-ten to comment with scolded diatribes. Then, if you lashed back at them, they would come out in multitudes to jump on you.

Dede1:

This is one of the main reasons the jungle called Nigeria will never see a better day. How could any person with correct and good functioning social order clamor to immortalize a person known as ITT (International Top Thief)? The inhabitants of the colonial contraption called Nigeria do not have functional lined-phones because MK Abiola’s dubious and irreparable corrupt practices fostered on the masses in cohort with ITT group of companies.

@Dog-ass dee1 or dippy-dee1
I am very sorry sir, super-fool old idiot! I forgot that M.K.O. Abiola was an Egba-man too (Igbo people want all our Egba people because they are successful[, ] then, they use that enviness to critcize everything Yorubas do, because of their wealth and enviable successes). Now, I know why the cage birds sing?
You all feigned cries during military Abacha’s regime and showered encomiums on our beloved son. As soon as we turned to democracy, each and everyone of your lachrymose souls flipped. I’m glad you blocked the immortalization, but we also want to name him on our soil in our stadium and you are still ranting and raving. I guess you are not made for good.
You know we are the pacesetter right? We named our national theater, our internal airport and numerous roads on Muritala Muhamed, named numerous monuments and roads on Osuba Nbadiwe, Oba Benin and Igwe effigies, Hamedu bello e.t.c.
The cane that we used to swipe senior wife is kept waiting for the junior wife too!

This is what I got from Igbo quack scientist Philips Emeaguali. He of recently turned to historian, wants to help Igbos re-write history about Yoruba people, why not doing that to Hausas? If you want to doubt that, tell me what he has discovered (and don't tell me computer super super ooooo). A lot of Igbo guys debunked him and it's true what they alleged him for! (Check his website if you are going to see anything about invention other than posing pictures)!

http://emeagwali.com/letters/dear-professor-emeagwali-onye-igbo-ka-nbu.htm


Ishaq D. Al-Sulaimani
Vernon (Alufiel) Grier, Ed.D

THE GREATER IGBO NATION-- IDENTIFYING IGBO VARIANTS DURING THE ERA OF THE SLAVE TRADE


THE EGBA ARE IGBO
Southwest Nigeria is commonly referred to as “Yorubaland” which is home to a mosaic of distinct tribes and tribal states who collectively form the present day Yoruba tribal identity, however the original Yoruba designation exclusively referred to the Oyo, a tribe who at one time lived amongst the Hausas in what is presently Northern Nigeria. In fact the word Yoruba is of Hausa origins.
Misrepresentations of Nigeria the Facts and the Figures by Yusef Bala Usman, PhD – Center for Democratic Development, Research and Training.
“The fact is that the earliest record we have of the use of the very name Yoruba was in the Hausa Language and it seems to have applied to the people of the Alfinate Oyo. Don Masani wrote a book on the Muslim scholars of the Yarriba.”
Over the centuries the Oyo were gradually driven southward where they in turn became the conquerors of the indigenous people of “Southwest Nigeria” who like their Southeastern counterparts were referred to as the Igbo. The Southwestern Igbo were protected by an army of masked warriors known as the Egbo or Egba. Olumida Lucas states that the name Egba is synonymous with Igbo. The Indigenous Igbo(Egba) lived in the forest area surrounding Ife. The name Ife derives from an Igbo system of “divination” called Ifa. It was at Ife that the Igbo(Egba) were first confronted by Odudwa who along with his youngest son Oranyan are remembered as the founders of the Oyo(Yoruba) Kingdom at Ife. At the time of Odudwa’s invasion the indigenous Igbo(Egba) resided under the leadership of Obatala whose name means the Oba or Obi Ala. Obi or Oba was initially an Igbo title of authority and Ala is the land deity of the Igbo. Amongst the Egbo tribes of Calabar the Oba appears in the form of the deity Obassi who is also called Abassi.
Like the indigenous forest dwelling Igbos, the present day Egbas are historically associated with the Obas. In fact the name of the Egba ruling council known as the Ogboni relates to the Igbo word Ogbonna which indirectly refers to an elder.
The Wikipedia Encyclopedia – “Yoruba”
“The numerous Egba communities found in the forests below Oyo’s Savannah region were a notable example of elected Obas though the Ogboni, a legislative judicial council of notable elders wielded the actual political power.”
(The Ogboni “Cult” played a central role in the Brazil slave rebellion of 1809.)
In their initial encounters the Oyo(Yoruba) were unable to penetrate the frightening Egba(Igbo) as these intimidating masked forest dwellers mastered the art of instilling fear into their opponents. In defense of their homeland the Egba(Igbo) went further in raiding and burning down the intruding Oyo(Yoruba) settlements in the town at Ife.
The Egba were first defeated through the scheming of a woman named Moremi who allowed herself to be captured as she used her beauty to seduce the Igbo(Egba) King into revealing the secrets of the masked Egba warriors. She later returned to the Oyo providing her countrymen with the necessary information needed to finally conquer the Igbo(Egba) Kingdom. This defeat of the Igbo(Egba) is celebrated every year at the annual Eid Festival of Ife. In 1835, the Egba declared themselves to be independent of the Oyo(Yoruba) and in response the Oyo along with the Ijebu drove them out of Ibadan, Ife and other towns north of their present day capital of Abeokuta. As a result of contact between the Ijebu and the Indigenous Igbo the city Ijebu-Igbo was established. The founding of the Egba Kingdom of Abeokuta in 1837 is considered to be the last kingdom to be recognized within the “Yoruba federation of tribes”. By this time the term Yoruba had expanded beyond its original usage in referring to the Oyo and now generally applied to all of the inhabitants of Southwestern Nigeria.
The tradition of the masked Egba(Igbo) warriors is likewise documented in Southeast Nigeria amongst the followers of the Egbo Society of Calabar.EGBO – A secret society at one time existing as a political bond between various towns especially Eastern Nigeria. – World Book Dictionary A-K 1974.
In 1876, the Scottish Presbyterian missionary Mary Slessor came to Calabar. According to the accountings of Ms. Slessor in the “Igbo” dominated areas a secret society known as Egbo went around in masks and beat people. She claimed to have chased a group of Egbo and tore off a mask. The image of Mary Slessor would later appear on the 10 pound British Monetary note. (The Egbo/Egba warriors seem to have a problem or weakness in defending themselves against foreign women. First Moremi in the west informs her people to burn the masks of the Egba(Igbo) warriors and later in the east Mary Slessor claims to have ripped a mask off of an Egbo man.)
The Egba of Abeokuta worship a deity called the Oro. Oro is a god who resides in a bush. In honor of Oro a sacred ceremony is performed at a secluded spot inside the bush. This ceremony is called Igbo Oro and is very similar to bush ceremonies observed by the Egbo Society of Calabar. There are many similar practices and rituals performed by both the Egba of “Yorubaland” and the Egbo Society of the east. In this regard it is of interest to note the name of the Biafran Officer from Ejagham(Calabar), the formidable Captain Ndom Egba.
Although the concept of Legba varies it began as an ancestral memorial designed to maintain the Egba identity during times of persecution and hardship. Legba is also known as Eshu and relates to the deity Isua which is honored in the Egbo Society as the Master of Ceremonies. Legba was also activated in the New World as a means to counter modern slavery and its attempts to wipe out the Egba identity of the captives. The deity is described in Yoruba mythology as the “Divine trickster” because of his ability to outwit his fellow gods. Evidences of Legba have been documented throughout the Americas in such places as Brazil, Guyana, Trinidad, Haiti and New Orleans under various names such as Lebba, Legba, Elegbara and Liba. It is the Igbo descended Mina tribes such as the Ewe and Fon who are most readily associated with the Legba variant. The term Elegbara is of great significance because not only does the name appear in the Americas amongst Igbo descended captives meaning the Egba and the Mina tribes, but is also the name of a tribe that lives on the Southern Sudanese, Northern Ugandan border and of whom are likewise related to the Igbos of Nigeria as they are known by the variant of Elegbara being called the Lugbara. When traveling in Uganda I personally met a Lugbara Doctor of Medicine who previously studied alongside of Igbo students from Nigeria. The Lugbara man stated that he could understand much of the Igbo Language which held a great deal in common with his own Lugbara Tongue. Through numerous and prominent cultural and linguistic affinities the Lugbara man was definitely convinced that the Lugbara and the Igbo are akin.
Similar to the Igbo of the east, the western Igbo descended Egba were always known to be revolutionaries in continual revolt against the Colonial British authorities, European missionaries and their traditional Yoruba enemies being primarily that of the Oyo and Ijebu. In 1929 the Igbo market women of the east led a tax revolt against the Colonial British Government which became known as the Abia Women’s Tax Revolt. The Egba women carried out a similar tax revolt in 1947 known as the Abeokuta Women’s Tax Revolt of Egba Market Women. The Egba market women were led by Fumilayo Ransome Kuti, a teacher and wife of a prominent Egba educationalist. The protest of over 10,000 Egba women caused the governing authorities to abolish taxes on women for several years and the Alake who conspired with the Colonial authorities spent three years in exile in Oshogbo.
Many of the positive social and ethical traits which are often associated with the Igbo are historically documented as being characteristic of the Egba as well. Robert Campbell who along with Martin Robison Delaney signed a pact with Egba leaders for the right of resettlement of African-Americans to “Egbaland” states that the Egba are the most industrious people on the face of the earth. (Burton 1863:101) James Africanus Beale Horton concerning the Egba(Akus) “It must be admitted without question that there are no people on the coast who are so hard working and so long suffering in proportion to what they expect in return.” He also went on to say that the Egba as a race are amongst the most industrious, persevering and hard working people on the coast of Africa. (Horton 1969:149)
In terms of education the Egba like the Igbo are deserving of great acclaim. The first Black-African to receive a Nobel Prize in Literature was an Egba man named Wole Soyinka who like the Igbo actively opposed the Nigerian Government during the Biafran War. Soyinka was detained by agents of the state between 1967 and 1969. In this regard Booker T. Washington whose middle name, Tanifeani, attests to Egba origins should be noted as the founder of the famous Tuskegee Institute.
In Brazil an organized Ibo revolt led to the establishment of the Independent “Ibo Republic” of Palmares which lasted 45 years. Being consistent with “Igbo resistance” Palmares ended in a massive suicide of Ibo warriors who preferred death to capture. The city Ibotirama testifies to a strong Ibo presence in the region, however as in the case of Haiti, Afro-Brazilian culture and religious practices are more readily associated with that of the “Yoruba”(Egba) including the worship of Legba. Olukwumu is spoken in Brazil and interestingly enough in a few Western Ibo communities such as Anioma, Idumu-ogu, Ubulubu, Ugbodu, Ugboba and Okwumuzu. In fact communities bearing the name Olukwumu(Olukumi) still exist amongst the Western Ibo. Although this dialect cannot be found in the Yoruba heartland it remains in reference as a “lost dialect of the Yoruba Language”. All of the above clearly indicates that many of the captives in Brazil including those who successfully revolted in the establishment of Palmares were of western Ibo origins and like the Egba are being mistakenly classified as Yoruba. In Brazil the Western Ibo were accompanied by a massive importing of Ebos from Angola and Ibos from Mozambique, the latter further accounting for the dominant and preferable Ibo usage amongst the Brazilian captives.
In Cuba the Olukwumu were referred to as the Olukumi, Lukumi or Akumi. The Egba have traditionally resisted identification with the term Yoruba preferring to be called Egbas or Akus. Slaves in Cuba known as the Lukumi or Akumi meaning of the Egba people were well known for suicide resistance which often found them handing from the branches of the Guasima trees. This being very similar to the “Igbo” resisters of Haiti who were likewise remembered for suicide resistance as understood in the Haitian saying, Ebos pend cor a yo, meaning the Ebos hang themselves. The relationship between the names Olukwumu and Olukumi with that of Akumi(Aku or Egba) further solidifies the common origins which link the Western Ibo and the Egba peoples.
The Egba who like the Igbo were originally known as forest dwellers are acknowledged to have been at one time living east of their present day location. The process which led to the vanquished links of brotherhood between the Igbo and the Egba can be characterized by the often strained relations that currently exist between some of the eastern and western Igbo communities of today.
Biafran Nigerian World Message Board-JAN. 6th 2004 Efulefu of Western Kind.
“… lately some misguided Igbo people of Anioma/Ibusa (in short Western Igbo stock), have been making anti-Igbo noises. I read that a group of 419 purporting to represent Anioma and all Western Igbo issued a statement disavowing their Igboness… If you are from Western Igboland and you no longer wish to consider yourself Igbo you have only one option. Pack your damned bags and leave otherwise we are coming!!!”
History not only records the common origins of the Egba and the Igbo but their common destiny as they are identified as two groups most devastated by the slave trade which is expressed in the following;
“The Egba have suffered more than any other nation in West Africa from the depredation of the slave trade.”

Dede1:

This is one of the main reasons the jungle called Nigeria will never see a better day. How could any person with correct and good functioning social order clamor to immortalize a person known as ITT (International Top Thief)? The inhabitants of the colonial contraption called Nigeria do not have functional lined-phones because MK Abiola’s dubious and irreparable corrupt practices fostered on the masses in cohort with ITT group of companies.

History has told us from time to time "there is no fortune without crime." Call Rocha Okorocha, Nzeribe, Ojukwu, Jim Ovia, Jide Ofor, Don Etiebet where they all got their money?
If you think Abiola stole money, at least he spread the wealth around, a lot of Igbo people enjoyed his vast wealth and had money to send back to villages in the east. Sonny Okosun would testify if he was alive. He invested all his money in Nigeria and empowered more than 500,000 Nigerians in his time. You and I grew up hearing Abiola's soccer team, Abiola's concord airline, Abiola's newspaper, Abiola's Burec (battery's company) and Abiola's honeywell. If other greedy people who stacked our money in foreign banks could bring it back home to invest, we would be better off today.

Dede1:

This is one of the main reasons the jungle called Nigeria will never see a better day. How could any person with correct and good functioning social order clamor to immortalize a person known as ITT (International Top Thief)? The inhabitants of the colonial contraption called Nigeria do not have functional lined-phones because MK Abiola’s dubious and irreparable corrupt practices fostered on the masses in cohort with ITT group of companies.

@Dede1 or Dull dee1 or dumbass-dee1 or Dundee-United1 or Dumb&daft1

To hell with you! Everybody is a thief, only those that sun rises on that are real thieves!
Arthur Nzeribe betrayed White investors and turned their fortune to his (You all danced galala and awilo music back then).
Jim Nwobodo stole our Powered generator for Surulere National stadium to east (Idiots like you, instead of telling him to take it back to South West where he stole it from; you all showered encomiums on him and even performed the masquerade dances too).
Rochas Okorocha stole money for eastern development and forever been in exile (Abuja).
Then, Ojukwu the foremost warmonger and fugitive criminal siphoned all the money given to him by French government during the Bia-failed war (he was the first Igboman to ride on Rolls Royce).
Bleep you and everything you stand for!
You claimed everyday you witnessed and fought in Biafran war and you think you know everything about. Mind you I lost my family too during your merciless coup.
On this same forum, not up to two weeks we have discussed more than ten topics concerning Yorubas, all you did was ranting and wabbling on us. What do you want? It’s not all postings you will have to comment and show your anger. If people reciprocate you back, you will play a race card of marginalization.
1) A spoof embossment of Wole Soyinka on five thousand naira note.
2) The speech Adekunle Fajuyi gave before he chose to die with his boss
3) To immortalize MKO Abiola
4) MEND destruction of Alcove depot
5) Yorubas are betrayer because they didn't support your Biafailed war. (Your insincerity makes you feel betrayed).

6) You said Adaka Boro is not an hero but a criminal. What would you call OJUKWU?
Your chicken has come home to roast, you said Igbo colluded with Hausas and Ijaws to create a region out of Western Region, so that would reduce western power. Then, because you had little Igbos among them, you want to enforce Igboness on these people (Ijaws) and they said no! Now, Adaka Boro was a criminal to you; but to all Ijaws he was their hero. You should know already that there are two things involved about Niger Delta (the oil and the geographical location will never let them accept any of your gimmicks to lure them as family.

Mama, do your thing! I ain't mad at you though, you put your son in the womb for 9 months and fed and nurtured him from infant, toddler and till 18 yrs of age. You put him in college and never stopped your prayer on him till he got a good job. Now, it's time to reap what you had sowed, a b.itch who ain't got no life, after she's done bleeping the whole neighborhood [hoodrat anyway] just gonna hijack your son from you like that? Hell, no! F.cuk what anybody says I love my mama too, she is the only true love I have (I could marry and divorce hundred ladies), but can't compromise my love to my mama for any girl. Experience will tell all the wise men out there, money is the only reason why ladies fall in love these days and your mother’s love is forever without a kobo!
If you don’t want me because I like my mother please hit the door; the love for my mother started when I was 7 days’ old and rolled my eyes side by side each time my mama walked in.

Jungle justice right here, you don't kill a criminal in your custody. That reflects the high level of insecurity in this country.

This list is not complete
How about
Chukwu Ojukwu
Rochas Okorocha
Obasanjo
Atiku
Sonny Okogwu
Bode Jugde
e.t.c.

fayahsoul:


The presence of ndiigbo in the west prior to oduduwa landing is in yoruba oral history and folklore u chicken head.

Yorubas have 13 million people in just Ghana, Togo and Benin republic (liberalism has been the watchword of our founding fathers) we don’t force anybody on us. If there is Yoruba country today, we would not force all our people outside of this great country to come join us, but we will create the means for a better connection to their ancestral land. Just like 70 million Yorubas in South America (and you want us to tell every last one of them to come to Nigeria or Yorubaland? Definitely no! They have to stay over there and enjoy the dividends of their forefathers’ pains and efforts.
Igbos in the west don’t want to fall for that gimmicks or chicanery tricks played by Ojukwu (they are doing better and good in the Mid-west than going back to Biafran land and become less competitive. That tells you, the devils you know are better than the angels you are waiting for. […]
I may also put it in another analogy, just like a Nigerian who is well to do in Nigeria (Sound education, famous, elephant bank account and pretty girls), but just because of insatiable feelings to travel abroad. He made it to UK on just six-month Visa, the Visa expired and he had to scot with someone less old than him. You know, no matter if you read Cambridge and study Harvard, you will end up dancing to that person tunes. [You gotta put in perspective, no more bringing girls or friends at your own will, no more turning light on or waste water (either from kitchen or bathroom at your own will and no matter if you split bills with him, you must be ready to be submissive at all time, irrespective of your age differences.
The lesson is don’t flash the light to look for family, at the end of the day; you lose! Now many Mid-western Igbos are claiming they are not Igbos anymore! Your chicken has come to roast. Then, I want to see how you will govern Biafran land that is even not half of Kwara state (except Ijaws, Rivers and Edo let you claim their land).
When you say Yorubas are cowards, you should be ashamed of yourselves. I grew up thinking Biafrans own the whole eastern Nigeria. I was chagrined to see that Hausa land took over 4/5 of east. Oh, that’s why Igbo people think they can cross to west to find a new land. Jokes of the highest order!

sjeezy8:

i love igbos the sensible ones atleast, they created biafra out of land that isn't their if we count all of the indigenous tribes they tried to FORCE in biafra they will out number the igbos,

if anything the opressed is the niger deltans not the igbos so make biafra out of igbo lands and nothing else

like i said the RICH IGBOS are not complaining when they have oil shares in edo, ijaw etc lands,

I laugh at them each time they think they can leave east and cross to West to claim land. History tells that those Biafrans who crossed or swam across River Niger to seek their daily bread; did that under the influence of Edo and Ijaw. It's so unthinkable to leave east and claim land in west, the worst is Igbo extraction in the west we have to leave if country breaks up today unless if they will have to share common destiny with Ijaws and Edos. Igbo people are so confused, instead of trying to concentrate on how to build their land in the east, they are running helter-skater everywhere and claiming what has never belong to them. Just like they claimed they are Egbas in South Western Nigeria. Check the map fools, how could that be possible, from the east, you didn't stop at Edo, Ekiti, Kwara, Osu, Kogi and Oyo (you just flew to Ogun state in exodus) think about it now. Thank God that Egbaland is not located in Ekiti or Ondo, your claims might be possible then.

Onlytruth:

I kind of disagree with this point. In fact I believe that Nigerians have risen up several times to challenge the status quo but all they have ever received was[b] mass murder[/b] and shoot at sights. This is where those who use the January 1966 coup to castigate Ndigbo always make a huge mistake. That coup was supposed to lead to other things (like freeing Awolowo to assume leadership). It went horribly wrong when mischievous people started to inject tribalism into it. Then came the Biafran revolution (a revolution meant to correct all ills of Nigeria) complete with a political and social vision tilted the Ahiara declaration. Every Nigerian must read this declaration before ever attempting to blame Biafra and Ndigbo. When supposed statesmen like Awolowo stood by and watched as innocent Nigerians were massacred for questioning the legitimacy of Nigeria. When Awo and Enahoro supported the use of starvation as weapons of war to suppress Nigerians who dared the system and took up arms which lead to the death of about 2 million people.
That was when the seed of genocidal suppression was sowed in Nigeria. Since then, the security forces have killed anyone who dared demonstrate decisively against coups, election rigging and imposition of leaders. And you would think that Nigerians have learned something from history, but no!
You still find in Nairaland here, people who taunt the Igbo for "losing their foolish war". You still find people here who says things like "serves those stupid igbos right". You still find people who blame the Igbo for wanting to reshaped Nigeria. People who wonder why Biafran soldiers entered Midwest and was heading for Lagos. Biafra was undergoing a revolution! You bring about change through revolutions.
Nigerians will never rise to do anything even if one man decides to rule for eternity! That is why Obasanjo tried it, and Yar adua is currently scheming for it. Like I said before, our problem has nothing to do with the British. We can fix our country ourselves.
Someone here said that Nigerias are stupid people. He may be right because some people here are so blinded by their hatred of Igbos, that they cannot know when that hatred transforms into self defeatism. If someone has a good vision, let's try to find out how that vision will work instead of seeing his tribe first. The north and west have ruled Nigeria since the end of the Biafran war. Nigeria still don't have even electricity today. So their collective visions for Nigeria have failed! Let's try something really smart!

I shall never see this great country divided because of Bia-failed and I pray God should reciprocate with every last one of you (your bad wishes for Nigeria). If you don't do amen, I do it by myself. Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!          



Pa Anthony enaoro (an enemy in disguise, when they need helps from Westerners that is when you see them. He came to Awo's rememberance in AOU, he just showered eucomium of the sage and later came up with self-determination. Let's just assume, they want to immortalize Awo, he would be the first to object. Igbos are no good) wants self-determination in his backyard. It’s high time, his menopause ravaged old folk wants to have a pregnant.
Biafailed, you cannot break down this great nation on us, the worst should be you living Nigeria and go back to Sahara or Israel where you claimed you came from.
We have been cheated a long time and will lean with it, so you can to slow down your agitations too.
Because, government has discovered Oil Or Oyel like you called it, in the east and now it’s high time for your self-determination?
Now, no more cocoa proceeds, it has shifted to Oil preceeds, the whole Nigeria shall be benefited from Oil, just like they did to Cocoa proceeds.
Resources distribution took this form. Of the 100% income accruing to the regions that were to retain 50%, thirty five percent redistributive income after polling together so that the regions without a good resource base could benefit, while 15% was to be polled together to run the centre. In the following analysis, we will see how the Hausa/Fulanis have withdrawn 98 % to the centre.
SWIFT ALTERATIONS:

This era saw the beginning of the deliberate distortions of the popular constitutional arrangements between the federating units agreed upon from 1953 and 1959.
First to come under the hammer was the revenue sharing formula. From the 50% revenue accruing to the regions according to the derivation principle, the new military regime removed 5% and added it to that of the Federal government in 1967. The government divided the regions (which had become four as a result of one additional region fraudulently carved out of the west in the heat of the Western regional crisis.
By 1975, Muritala Muhammed seized power from Gowon. Knowing that the Federal civil service was dominated by the Yorubas, because of their early exposure to Western education, 10,000 civil servants were sacked in a day. He equally ordered the removal of the Federal capital territory from Lagos, a Yoruba city, to Abuja in the north. Radio and television stations, which were established by the regions were also taken over. The same fate befell primary and tertiary institutions. The Federal government under Muritala said it wanted to ensure 'uniform" development. He took over roads and all health institutions which were in the care of the west. The first stadium of international standard built in the 1 950s in Ibadan by the Western regional government, which was also the first of its kind in Africa was taken over. And under the guise of the centre having enormous responsibilities in her hands, Muritala removed a whooping 20% from the remaining 45% revenue accruing to the states from derivation.
Under a new economic arrangement, another staggering 20% of the remaining 25% revenue accruing to states from derivation was removed. Shehu Shagari ran the economy aground within four years. The Buhari succeed coup’s regime could not understand why the states still had "so much" percentage of the derivation revenue in their control. Of the 5% derivation revenue remaining with the states, (three and half percent) was taken, leaving a paltry (One and half percent) for the states.
Your chicken has come home to roast. After Niger Delta is formed and Oil is discovered. I guess Ijaws are ready to say Bye-Bye boo to Biafra; if the worst comes to worse, the little Igbo extractions who were living on the edge of river Niger to the west- under the influence of Ijaws and Edo (would pack and join Onyegbo in the east.

Onlytruth:

I really think that the lesson of 1966 is that people who cannot share a common vision (no matter how flawed) have no business forming a nation. Only those with similar visions for the future should come together to form a nation. The gross misunderstanding of 1966 laid the foundation for a 43 year suppression of about 40 million people whose vision of the future in 1966 has proven correct in 2009. We want a nation were we can stage a demonstration about anything without being shot at sight or anyone seeing a tribal angle. This is not idealism. This is realism. A lion and a goat cannot share a home. Neither can a monkey and a banana tree. Let all lions come together and live in one house and let all goats share a different house too. Nigeria's independence from the British in 1960 was incomplete. Since the genocide of 1966 to 1970, all other attempts to redesign the country has failed. No one wants to experience the Biafran experience, certainly not the yoruba and some south southerners (like Edo people) who were not part of Biafra.
So, the north or anyone for that matter can rule Nigeria anyhow and for any length of time without anything happening. Biafra's loss is Nigeria's massive loss!

Trusting Ndigbos again with power in this country would amount to suicide. The memories of the 1960s are still fresh with the rest of us when the Ndigbos conspired among themselves and lunched brutal attacks on eminent sons of Nigeria from the North and South West. They brutally killed eminent people like Abubakar Tafawa Balewa, Sardauna of Sokoto and Akintola. [They brutally killed eminent people like Abubakar Tafawa Balewa, Sardauna of Sokoto and Akintola. The then president, Azikiwe knew about the plot and so embarked on a prolonged trip abroad with an excuse to seek medical attention. His personal doctor who was among his entourage had to leave his oga abroad becouse he was tired and was already running out of his personal esta code. Unknown to him that his oga had a hidden reason for his prolonged trip. Thank God their plot backfired and they were called back to order.
Kini big deal? Why you hate what you can't conquer and fear what you don't really understand? I guess I know it, sense of inferiority complex!]

Onlytruth:

I kind of disagree with this point. In fact I believe that Nigerians have risen up several times to challenge the status quo but all they have ever received was[b] mass murder[/b] and shoot at sights. This is where those who use the January 1966 coup to castigate Ndigbo always make a huge mistake. That coup was supposed to lead to other things (like freeing Awolowo to assume leadership). It went horribly wrong when mischievous people started to inject tribalism into it. Then came the Biafran revolution (a revolution meant to correct all ills of Nigeria) complete with a political and social vision tilted the Ahiara declaration. Every Nigerian must read this declaration before ever attempting to blame Biafra and Ndigbo. When supposed statesmen like Awolowo stood by and watched as innocent Nigerians were massacred for questioning the legitimacy of Nigeria. When Awo and Enahoro supported the use of starvation as weapons of war to suppress Nigerians who dared the system and took up arms which lead to the death of about 2 million people.
That was when the seed of genocidal suppression was sowed in Nigeria. Since then, the security forces have killed anyone who dared demonstrate decisively against coups, election rigging and imposition of leaders. And you would think that Nigerians have learned something from history, but no!
You still find in Nairaland here, people who taunt the Igbo for "losing their foolish war". You still find people here who says things like "serves those stupid igbos right". You still find people who blame the Igbo for wanting to reshaped Nigeria. People who wonder why Biafran soldiers entered Midwest and was heading for Lagos. Biafra was undergoing a revolution! You bring about change through revolutions.
Nigerians will never rise to do anything even if one man decides to rule for eternity! That is why Obasanjo tried it, and Yar adua is currently scheming for it. Like I said before, our problem has nothing to do with the British. We can fix our country ourselves.
Someone here said that Nigerias are stupid people. He may be right because some people here are so blinded by their hatred of Igbos, that they cannot know when that hatred transforms into self defeatism. If someone has a good vision, let's try to find out how that vision will work instead of seeing his tribe first. The north and west have ruled Nigeria since the end of the Biafran war. Nigeria still don't have even electricity today. So their collective visions for Nigeria have failed! Let's try something really smart!

You don’t have to point fingers to other tribes or regions, when you are licking yourself inflicted wounds.
Let me tell you, whenever you talk about the outcome of Biafran war, you should remember that Biafrans are the genesis of their course. History has shown from Adams that Western had demonstrated an act of liberalism that by far surpassed any action that could happen in Eastern
or Northern Nigeria that was why we could only arbitrate and not embroil or meddle in the war. We have had enough internecine wars and profuse foreign intrusions. Like they say, experience is the best teacher!

Before Independence, western region had built roads, stadiums, TV and Radio stations, Universities, the then tallest building in Africa (25 storey cocoa house) e.t.c.
Just to demonstrate Igbo people precocious altitudes and self-centered mentality. The then government wants Quota system and Federal character just to help (East that just got out of war and North that is educationally less-privileged against the Educational developed West.
The two only federal institutions then, are UI (University of Ibadan) and UL (University of Lagos) built by western region governments but latter converted to federal universities.
1) In 1960s there were several Yoruba professor already, but just in the name of Federal Character as it’s been stipulated in our constitution. Igbo professor (Kenneth Dike) was opportune to be the Vice Chancellor at Ibadan, he had finished his tenure and would be replaced by Professor. Then, he played a race card by calling tribalism; maybe he wanted to turn the post to his birthright?
2) Eni Njoku held a court and later became Unilag Vice chancellor, he was due to be replaced when he pulled a race card and raised a deafening yell of tribalism and financed students to raise hell and mayhem in the course of which Professor
Biobaku was stabbed in an assassination attempt.
3) The same trait was found in Charles Soludo, after five years that even led to capsize of stock rate; he was about to be replaced when he cried of tribalism. Then, not even up to three days after he retired, he said he wants to run for gubernatorial election.
4) Dr Nnamdi Azikwue, an elderly statesman openly supported Biafran militants and went on a sojourn leave abroad by feigning sickness.
5) Chukwumerije Ojukwu did the same thing.

So, blame it on Ojukwu not Enahoro or Awo.
In the west, especially SW (we always hold our leaders responsible for their actions).
^You see the trace in UI, when Arisekola all convoy cars (which included on in town limousine) got burnt because he crossed the line with Abacha.^
^Jakande with his excellent jobs well done in Lagos as governor, he still finds hard to clarify to us reasons by he accepted Abacha’s offer.
^An elderly got molested and had butt-naked in Toyin Street (Abiola’s house) for denouncing June 12.
In Biafra, it’s on opposite. You could curse and talk bad about other tribes and Nigeria everywhere you go, but play race card when other tribes talk about your tribe.

babapupa:

walakolobo,


It's obviously the other way around. e be like you dey reside inside cave for Afghanistan or you just like to hear your self talk meaningless nonsense wey no match wetin 18million lagosians dey yarn,

@Walakolobo

Why Lagos should not have those LGs?
I don't care if it's Abuja or Imo, any state that generates excellent internal revenue shall have the desired LGs to really caster of its populace.
You have to tell me what would stop Lagos if Kano state, the most populous and has the highest number of LGs (44) could not make it top 15 among the states with huge annual revenue?
This the statistics for 2008 annual states’ revenue list:
http://odili.net/news/source/2009/jul/23/219.html

“Figures contained in the Central Bank of Nigeria (CBN) annual report for 2008 just published and obtained by THISDAY shows that the IGR of Lagos and Sokoto stood at N139.2 billion and N34.8 billion in 2008 respectively, while their allocations from federation account were N80.16 billion and N39.67 billion.”
Other states that are not doing bad!
States with relatively high performing indices included Ogun, Osun, Oyo, Borno, Ondo, FCTA, Jigawa, Kaduna, Kogi, Anambra, Kwara, Kano, Gombe, Edo, Abia and Rivers which recorded 10 per cent and above in their IGR.

You better keep quiet, if you don’t have facts. This is what I tell other Igbos, who think they know about Yorubas!
We are not talking about Juju, I am trying to educate you about Oduduwa, so that you will ease yourself by fearing what you can conquer and hate what you don’t really understand.
(These people formed the best language ever, it might not be widely spoken or so popular; it’s simply the best).
Reason, you have just only two languages that can vie with Yoruba (French and Spanish) just with their consonants and vowels; but fail when it comes to proverbs, Idiomatic expression, stress patterns and accent marks.
The only African religion of the world.
They had the only colonial empire in Africa which is “Oyo empire.”
How would you define colonial empire and how many do we have?
The colonial empire spread wings across its boundary and made its culture reflects on it colonies.
1) Britain did and had the effect in (Africa, South mid east, East mid east, China and India.
2) Portugal did (Africa and South America).
3) Belgium did (Africa and South America).
4) Arab did (Africa and mid east).
5) Spain did (Africa and South America).
6) Oyo Empire did (West Africa, South America and North America).
Wikipedia even rated it on the same spot with Christianity and Islam, if there is Rule books.
Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoruba_religion
It is possibly the largest African-born religion in the world. Though claims are made for an ultimately Egyptian/African origin to Judaism, Judaism was finalized as the religion of the Hebrew people of the Levant. Christianity and Islam also have long histories in Africa, but neither of those can claim to be African in origin in their present state like the undoubtedly African religion of the Yoruba. While much of Africa has increasingly adopted foreign religions, many indigenous faiths remain. The lack of proselytizing or establishing written "rule books" prevents these religions from spreading as much as Islam or Christianity. Regardless, they survive, both in Africa and the Western Hemisphere.
The Orisha is of two things that are mutually inclusive (rituals and arts). But nowadays, due to modernity; the whole world tends to focus on the art which includes dance, chants, music and gospel.


The reason to celebrate is manifold! First of all, if you want to play Music, Hip-Hop, Jazz, cultural dance, religion e.t.c in South America and you didn’t use it in the name of Orisha, Ogun or Oshun e.t.c., I bet you , nobody will patronize you. This makes our progenitors feel happy about their indelible scars and giant steps they left behind on the sand of time.
Did you know that Famous “Carlos Santana” singing about Sango and using his guitar tone to praise Olodumare (which mean elegua in Spanish) makes him famous and earns him success of a lifetime.
That something discovered by my great, great, great grand fathers, became the rave and vogue of time is not worth celebrating? If it’s that easy you can TYPE Amadioha ,Yam festival or Igbo Masquerades to see if it goes beyond Igboland for East
In America, just 20% of blacks go to church and 15% of those that attend church believed that Jesus was black. If you get to their houses, all you see is portraits of black Jesus. Then, about 40% believe in no religion at all. Not up to 5% believe in Allah. Then, the remaining more than 35% believe in spirits, and most of them refer to Orisha and Obatala gods. I have witnessed this many times.
Apart from strong Yoruba culture present in South America, USA also has large population of Orisha worshippers. This is why, when you study World Religion in USA colleges. They put Native American, white and African religions together.
!
We just need to check all the Yoruba Obas to sit right and teach new generation about our cultures, rather than fighting over supremacy or supporting the corrupt politicians to mooch our national cakes.
They need to portray all these idols in the way that seems innocuous as contrary to old fetish practices that scared people away.
Evidence of Orisha strong present in USA.

((This is my link: http://everything2.com/title/Yoruba
The Yoruba heritage was mostly forgotten in the US due to the slaveholder's tendency to make practicing the old customs a punishable offense. Many times the punishment for this was death. The new age of Yoruba beliefs have risen, in the US, in the last century due to the influx of Puerto Rican and Cuban immigrants to the US. The most common form, Santeria, is a mix of Yoruba beliefs and Catholicism and brings the Ifa deities, music, dances and rites with it.))


In America, the largest of shrines of any tribes other than whites. E.g. New York:
Temple of YORUBA/ORISA’IFA just in USA
South Carolina: Oyotunji Village (The one and only largest African Village in the whole USA. It covers about (120 km), when you get to the entrance it reads: You are now leaving USA, welcome to “OYOTUNJI VILLAGE” we greet you in the name of our ancestors!).
California: Ijo Orunmila, Ile Orunmila, and Awo Study Center
Florida: Ile Orunmila Temple, Ife Ile, Church of Lukumi Illinois: Ile Ifa Jalumi, Ile Osikan, Egbe Imole Agbon Iwosan
New York: Ile Ase, Lukumi Church
Tennessee Mimo Anago Ile Oshun
Charleston: Elequa
Texas: Ile Olokun
Virginia Ile Oyigigi Ojuba Orisa AKAN
Georgia: Akan Spiritual United Order
Maryland: Nyame Dua: Shrine House for Spiritual Healing
New York: Obaatanpa N’Abosum Fie
Pennsylvania: Adade Kofi Bosomfie Sankofa, Asona Aberade Shrine, Inc. Washington D.C. Onipa Abusia, Asomdwee Fie,
Shrine of the Abosom and Nsamanfo KEMETIC
Washington DC Region,
Florida: Ausar Auset Society Orlando Study Group
Maryland: Baltimore Branch of the
Ausar Auset Society International Pennsylvania: Ausar Auset Society in Philadelphia
Washington D.C. Ausar Auset Society
Washington, DC .“


The largest also in South America, from Cuba, Brazil, Haiti, Mexico, Trinidad & Tobbago e.t.c

You better keep quiet, if you don’t have facts.
We are not talking about Juju, I am trying to educate you about Oduduwa, so that you will ease yourself by fearing what you can conquer and hate what you don’t really understand.
(These people formed the best language ever, it might not be widely spoken or so popular; it’s simply the best).
Reason, you have just only two languages that can vie with Yoruba (French and Spanish) just with their consonants and vowels; but fail when it comes to proverbs, Idiomatic expression, stress patterns and accent marks.
The only African religion of the world.
They had the only colonial empire in Africa which is “Oyo empire.”
How would you define colonial empire and how many do we have?
The colonial empire spread wings across its boundary and made its culture reflects on it colonies.
1) Britain did and had the effect in (Africa, South mid east, East mid east, China and India.
2) Portugal did (Africa and South America).
3) Belgium did (Africa and South America).
4) Arab did (Africa and mid east).
5) Spain did (Africa and South America).
6) Oyo Empire did (West Africa, South America and North America).
Wikipedia even rated it on the same spot with Christianity and Islam, if there is Rule books.
Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoruba_religion
It is possibly the largest African-born religion in the world. Though claims are made for an ultimately Egyptian/African origin to Judaism, Judaism was finalized as the religion of the Hebrew people of the Levant. Christianity and Islam also have long histories in Africa, but neither of those can claim to be African in origin in their present state like the undoubtedly African religion of the Yoruba. While much of Africa has increasingly adopted foreign religions, many indigenous faiths remain. The lack of proselytizing or establishing written "rule books" prevents these religions from spreading as much as Islam or Christianity. Regardless, they survive, both in Africa and the Western Hemisphere.
The Orisha is of two things that are mutually inclusive (rituals and arts). But nowadays, due to modernity; the whole world tends to focus on the art which includes dance, chants, music and gospel.


The reason to celebrate is manifold! First of all, if you want to play Music, Hip-Hop, Jazz, cultural dance, religion e.t.c in South America and you didn’t use it in the name of Orisha, Ogun or Oshun e.t.c., I bet you , nobody will patronize you. This makes our progenitors feel happy about their indelible scars and giant steps they left behind on the sand of time.
Did you know that Famous “Carlos Santana” singing about Sango and using his guitar tone to praise Olodumare (which mean elegua in Spanish) makes him famous and earns him success of a lifetime.
That something discovered by my great, great, great grand fathers, became the rave and vogue of time is not worth celebrating? If it’s that easy you can TYPE Amadioha ,Yam festival or Igbo Masquerades to see if it goes beyond Igboland for East
In America, just 20% of blacks go to church and 15% of those that attend church believed that Jesus was black. If you get to their houses, all you see is portraits of black Jesus. Then, about 40% believe in no religion at all. Not up to 5% believe in Allah. Then, the remaining more than 35% believe in spirits, and most of them refer to Orisha and Obatala gods. I have witnessed this many times.
Apart from strong Yoruba culture present in South America, USA also has large population of Orisha worshippers. This is why, when you study World Religion in USA colleges. They put Native American, white and African religions together.
!
We just need to check all the Yoruba Obas to sit right and teach new generation about our cultures, rather than fighting over supremacy or supporting the corrupt politicians to mooch our national cakes.
They need to portray all these idols in the way that seems innocuous as contrary to old fetish practices that scared people away.
Evidence of Orisha strong present in USA.

((This is my link: http://everything2.com/title/Yoruba
The Yoruba heritage was mostly forgotten in the US due to the slaveholder's tendency to make practicing the old customs a punishable offense. Many times the punishment for this was death. The new age of Yoruba beliefs have risen, in the US, in the last century due to the influx of Puerto Rican and Cuban immigrants to the US. The most common form, Santeria, is a mix of Yoruba beliefs and Catholicism and brings the Ifa deities, music, dances and rites with it.))


In America, the largest of shrines of any tribes other than whites. E.g. New York:
Temple of YORUBA/ORISA’IFA just in USA
South Carolina: Oyotunji Village (The one and only largest African Village in the whole USA. It covers about (120 km), when you get to the entrance it reads: You are now leaving USA, welcome to “OYOTUNJI VILLAGE” we greet you in the name of our ancestors!).
California: Ijo Orunmila, Ile Orunmila, and Awo Study Center
Florida: Ile Orunmila Temple, Ife Ile, Church of Lukumi Illinois: Ile Ifa Jalumi, Ile Osikan, Egbe Imole Agbon Iwosan
New York: Ile Ase, Lukumi Church
Tennessee Mimo Anago Ile Oshun
Charleston: Elequa
Texas: Ile Olokun
Virginia Ile Oyigigi Ojuba Orisa AKAN
Georgia: Akan Spiritual United Order
Maryland: Nyame Dua: Shrine House for Spiritual Healing
New York: Obaatanpa N’Abosum Fie
Pennsylvania: Adade Kofi Bosomfie Sankofa, Asona Aberade Shrine, Inc. Washington D.C. Onipa Abusia, Asomdwee Fie,
Shrine of the Abosom and Nsamanfo KEMETIC
Washington DC Region,
Florida: Ausar Auset Society Orlando Study Group
Maryland: Baltimore Branch of the
Ausar Auset Society International Pennsylvania: Ausar Auset Society in Philadelphia
Washington D.C. Ausar Auset Society
Washington, DC .“


The largest also in South America, from Cuba, Brazil, Haiti, Mexico, Trinidad & Tobbago e.t.c

Yorubas' superiority to Igbos is not by accident; it's with an overwhelming corollary!

Just to let you know that 92% of progress made in Lagos is by Yoruba efforts. Yorubas say, if you want to christen your child, you have got to look your backyard or better still, if you want to cut clothes for somebody, you got to look at yourself. That means, you can leave your east undeveloped and want to take care someone else business. We built Lagos by ourselves.

Then, I said if those facts are not enough, I would show the achievements of Oduduwa traits before modernity.

1) They formed the language with largest number of Idioms, proverbs. The number of consonants and vowels is more than the ones in English Language. Also the language with most stress and accent marks more than Spanish and French! Prove me wrong?
2) Yorubas were the first to urbanize. (Built strong structure with mud bricks, while your troglodytic people still living in the caves).
3) Due to early urbanity, they produced woven fabric (Aso ofi or Aso oke) through warp-and-waft method, while many cultures practiced walked butt-naked or sometimes with banana leafs wrapped around private parts.
4) They discovered the first (almighty formulae to solve puzzles) which is called Ifa Divination (which still continues all around the globe).
5) After Sumerians people of river Nile (which flows backward) they were the second to carved out canoes; and the first to travel across Atlantic ocean down to North America. Christopher Columbus got to America 1449 (by the time they had the first National census in Luxemburg, Germany) and one of the warriors in Chinese dynasty said, he had sailed down there seven decades before Americans; with all that being said, they found a trace of trades between native Americans and Africans, with the astonishing life-size head of Obatala’s sculpture erected in America (which through carbon dating test, dates back to 709BC).
6) Discovered the medicine that puts Yorubas on the map up to date as the only tribe in the world with highest rate of twins birth or multiple birth.
According to archeologists' record, Yorubas had the highest rate of art and culture artifacts and relics in Africa besides Egytp. Including the headless scupture of NOK headless fertile woman. Michelangelo di Lodovico Buonarroti Simoni, the greatest modern sculptor and carver of all time, called the NOK headless relic sculpture (one of a kind and genius of African arts.
7) They made the first bassuka Local guns to curb internecine wars
They built the first organized society with a complex king, chief and warrior's clans.
9) The artifacts and relics they left behind made IFE arts to top the life in Africa
10) As the toll of modernity takes ancient cultures to the brink of extinction, Yoruba idols keep resuscitating all around the world.
11) The made the first significant drums (bata and Kudi), these drums still top the list of African drums. During the slavery, these beating drums were banned in America; they were beaten with connotations that made slaves formed rebellion against their masters. This why five Yorubas top the list of drummers of all time all around the world. Tony Oladipo Allen was among them. He had beaten drums for Fela Anikulapo and Victor Olaiya with numerous white bands around the world. These drums have their largest users in South America by Yoruba descendants.
12) the cowries their first money for trade and barter before foreign intrusion, which later used to make decoration of gods; still survived up to date.
13) Oranmiyan staff erected in Ife long before discovery of North America, formed the prototype for a national monument in Washington DC. Oranmiyan used his staff to commemorate his warriors, USA uses “NM” to salute its falling heroes or solders.
14) The beads of old ages still valuable
15) Through their unique grout and chants (they influenced Jazz, Blues and Hip Hop).
16) Then, due to their genius in their time, they imbibed in us the best legacy, which I called innate knowledge.
This is why Yorubas stand out everywhere around the world in Education!


From this website below and of all 1200 gods known around the world.
According to this website' table of gods, Yoruba had 31 gods. Just second to Egyptian gods in Africa.
(http://www.eskimo.com/~elladan/gods/description.html)
Yoruba gods:
NAME ORIGIN DESCRIPTIONS

Oba Yoruba A goddess & protector of prostitutes
Eji Ogbe Yoruba/ Nigeria/ W.Africa A god that is king of the pantheon
Oshun Yoruba A goddess of healing, fertility & rivers
Aja Yoruba A goddess of healing, herbs & of knowledge
Oshun Ana Yoruba A goddess of love
Monje Yoruba A goddess of rivers
Ymoja Yoruba A goddess of rivers & of the sea
Aje Yoruba A goddess of wealth in all its forms

Olokun Yoruba/ Nigeria/ Benin A of fresh waters & oceans
Orisanla Yoruba/ Nigeria A sky god that was designated to be the creator of earth & living things

Oya Yoruba A warrior goddess of fire, rainstorms, justice & the wind
Egungun oya Africa Another form of the Yoruba goddess of divination
Olorun Yoruba Creator/ supreme god
Eshu Fon/ Yoruba Divine messenger
Yemonja Nigerian/ Yoruba She is one of the great goddesses
Ori Yoruba/ Nigeria The god of wisdom
Ifa Yoruba The god of wisdom, knowledge & divining
Eschu/ Legba Yoruba/ Africa These deities are messengers between gods & mortals, not very nice either
Eji Ogbe Yoruba/ Nigeria/ W.Africa A god that is king of the pantheon
Orisha Nla Yoruba A god ordered by Olorun to create solid ground
Shango Yoruba A god of war, storms, thunder & fertility
Oshe Yoruba A god of thunder & lightning
Sango Yoruba/ Nigeria A god of thunder
Sopona Yoruba A god of smallpox
Orunmila Yoruba/ Nigeria A god of mercy & destiny
Osanyin Africa A god of medicine
Ogun Nago/ Edo/ Yoruba/ W. Africa A god of iron, hunting & war
Ajalamo Yoruba/ Nigeria/ W. Africa A god of fetuses
Iku Nigeria A god of death
Oko Yoruba/ Nigeria A god of agriculture

Obatala/ Obosom Yoruba A fertility god, he makes barren women fertile & shapes the fetus in the womb

Dede1:


In academia, Nigeria was up and running to ellipse any progress Ghana had achieved. By 1963, Nigeria had four Universities namely ABU, Unibadan, Unilag and UNN. The VCs of the universities were two expatriates and two Nigerians. The Nigerians were Prof. Kenneth Dike and Prof. Eni Njoku of Universities of Ibadan and Lagos respectively. Please folks you must understand that in academia then, the position of tenured professorship is strictly based on academic merit. It should be recalled that when Prof Eni Njoku merited the position VC of Unilag, Dr. Obabiaku (sp) was not even a full professor at Unibadan. However, when Eni Njoku tenure was due for re-appointment for second four-year term, a Yoruba born Minister of Education who has just defected from NCNC to NNDP decided to inject tribalism to Nigerian academia by appointing Dr. Obabiaku (sp) to the post of VC of Unilag. The minister for education was no less a person than Chief Richard A. Akinjide.

Due to the shaming of the very Nigerian young academic repertoire by ethnic biased and tribal driven minister, the expatriate VC in UNN had to appeal to the government urging that Prof. Eni Njoku should replace him at UNN.      

See how you finished yourself the moment you mentioned education. If we removed the federal character or quota system that had favored Biafrans and still favoring them, you are nowhere to be found, when it comes to Yoruba sophistication!
To let you know that Yoruba superiority  on Onyegbos has been before Adam and Eves, I will prove everything to you and we can do it right now.
Next time, when you brag about Igbo's education, don't try it around Yorubas. You already know that any spot your people hit today, we (Yorubas) had been there, done there and past there two millenniums.
In 1950, the primary and secondary schools in ONDO STATE alone is more than the whole schools in the East.That’s not convincing enough.
They see all the states in East before they named (Ekiti state has the fountain of knowledge) a state where every family boosted of atleast one professor.
In the modern day Nigeria, Ondo state still has the highest rate of primary schools (810) and secondary schools (220).
Nigeria as of today boosts 105 tertiary institutions and more than 60 is from the west alone.
The two only institutions that made it to worldlist (Ife and OAU) are from South West. If they are going to include third one, it will be UNILAG.
Between 1953 to 1959
The first region to grant autonomy in Nigeria
•   One of the most efficiently run civil service in the Common wealth.
•   A respectable judicial system as against the Sharia law system of the north.
•   The first industrial estate in Africa.
•   Free and efficient health care delivery system.
•   The first radio and television station in Africa
•   The best road network in Nigeria.
•   Free education at all levels with an effective scholarship scheme, which still accounts for why there exists a yawning educational gap between the west and other parts of the country.
•   The first international stadium in Africa
•   The first ever tallest building in Africa (Cocoa house) commissioned in 1965
You Igbos only talked about 80 pounds given to them by Awolowo for empowerment, but failed to highlight how Hausa military regimes of 70s to 90s to break Yoruba backbone in the name of even development.
Muritala Muhammed, seized power from Gowon. Knowing that the Federal civil service was dominated by the Yorubas, because of their early exposure to Western education, 10,000 civil servants were sacked in a day. This was widely celebrated in the whole Igbo land with “Ogogoro champagne” popping in the air; hoping before the end of 1990s Yorubas strength would be weaken. Ha ha ha ha, oops! Before they know we still going super-strong!
Haters, I may salute all y’all muthafuckas before I drop my pen though!
What did you call the Biafailed slogan again? Hmmm, I got it. The flunk and land of sunset! Jokes of no fun! Biafra’s hope is dope!



Every last one of you (Biafrans) own Yorubas apology, I won't blame Hauses on Federal Character and Quota system alone-- blame it on Igbos!
North: Food basket of the nation ( or Biafrans no dey chop kulikuli, drink Kunu or eat cows, camel and tomatoes)?

ikeyman00:

hahhaha the above is just a joke

we already seen the truth

english ahah mind u is quite complex me think

it either u live it up or get lost

okko-juju-man u heard

Despites, we don't usually worship our deities anymore, does not give Igbos that right to want to claim our glory.

Hello Biafrans,
I ain't gotta introduce myself, cos I ain't friendly. When I talk, I say nothing but the truth y'all. When I start I don't rap, I phonetic speak. I remain myself the one and only "Okokomeji" when I talk hearts I rip. My faults y'all! They used to tell me (I got the culinary skills) I cook for the whole world because I love to eat too. To all Igbo people on this thread, all you do is drinkin’ that Gatorade or Hate-to-rade on Yorubas and at the end of the day y’all gonna lose! I ain't wanna hear y'all talkin' 'bout culture, education and politics. I bet, you ain't gonna throw a rice in Chinese wedding! Don’t let me start with my Yoruba chauvinism or bourgeoisie, you know how I get down; I am gonna steal all the show on the thread like the Greeks stole Xmas! Walkin’ in like nobody, I’m ‘bout to be outta here like a super-celebrity.Ha ha ha ha, I feel good and I am also proud of y'all. These muthafuckas trying to play, I got my ass waitin' on the other thread, they got damn over here. They got me think that Bia-failed Gatorade Hate-to-rade coming through y’all, you know I’m thirty. They all my boos, cos I dog their asses tight. I’m talkin’ ‘bout all these p.ussies (Ikey-man00 or Irk-man zero zero or Irate-man olodo olodo, Dede1 or Dundee 10, asha2 or ashawo-2,000,000, sley4life or slicedforever and Nuzo or nuisance). Let’s go there!

NB: When you bring your hatred on this forum, you gotta count Yorubas out, if not Okokomeji will never leave you alone and stop going to South America to intrude all my 70 million Yoruba people. Talking ‘bout you own 85% of slaves during the slavery and therefore, they should forget about Orisha and follow your “Arochukwu or Ani”. Then, don’t talk about education to Westerners, you can keep that too

ikeyman00:

okojujudeji

keep foolin urself

we will continue tellin the truth the oduduwa embellish to hate

the ball surely is in ur court

that makes u look like u are havin fun

igbo is always in ife, hey picture the igbo spirit in the yoru-juju culture;either u live it up or not, the truth will prevail

nevertheless one thing certain is, the igbos were always in ife where they lived until the useless and wicked oduduwa conquer them, they even helped the yorubas to fight some of wicked oduduwa rules

In 1967, Haiti became the only country outside of Africa to recognize the independent Igbo Republic of Biafra in secession from Nigeria. The vote of confidence in favor of Biafra on the part of this tine Caribbean nation was due to the Haitian’s memory of their own “Igbo” revolutionary past.
The numerous and successful slave revolts in Haiti are clearly documented as “Igbo” uprisings but yet we find the strongest presence of the ancestral deity Legba(Eshu) amongst the Haitians. In Haiti Legba is described as the most powerful of all the Loa. He is the guardian of the sun and his color is black. The guardian of the sun is most likely a code for the “Land of the Rising Sun” which is an ancient Igbo reference for the Land of Biafra. The Igbo revolutionaries and devoutees of Legba(Eshu) in Haiti were in actuality the Igbo descended Mina tribes such as the Ewe and Fon(Fongbe) who are well associated with the worship and reverence for Legba.[/i]

Don’t tell me Legba is Igbo idol? You went to Haiti; they chased you off, that means no deity that came out of Africa that is stronger than Legba. You need to deal with.I know why the cage bird sings! Haba, you are not serious, so you want to rewrite Yoruba history to soothe yours?

[/quote]
Haitians do not only know with Legba; they worship Orisha, Yemaja, Oshun and Sango. All these are Yoruba deities. Sango axe is one of a kind and it’s only prototype to Yorubaland.


[quote]

[i]Yoruba Ifa Oral History maintains that the greatest god known to the Yoruba [s]was Obatala (Oba ntu ala), who is the ancestor of the Igbo nation. Ifa claims that Obatala was the god who saved the earth after the Deluge. Ifa priests refer to him as “Osere Igbo: the Ancient of Days, the First Son of God … the Prince of Peace … the one who conquered death by rising from the dead after 16 days in the grave”. These are, to say the least vital discoveries about Igbo origins and identity unknown to the Igbo themselves[/s].

Obatala was ancestor of Igbo nation? For where? Jokes of no fun!
You better don’t misconstrue anything you see in Yoruba language:
Of all languages that use vowels and consonants, Yoruba is the most complex in the world because of it coded “stress and accent marks” (follow by French and Spanish)!
So, if you see “Osere Igbo,” it’s not really meant that it’s referring to Igbo people.
Igbo means a lot of things in Yoruba language with the aid of stress and accent marks.
Here it goes!
Igbo means (thick forest)
Igbo means (Marijuana)
Igbo means (Head boot)
Igbo means (Vegetable used in cooking)
Igbo means (things that bring agitation)


When I told you creation started Ife, they said a lie. Scientists and archeologist are now proving it right. Ife located at the center of the universe.
You know how white people is created? This happened during the time; when you gave birth to Albinos, twins, Hunch backs, Midgets and leprosies. They would have to leave the land or get killed. Like they say (propensity to humans is propensity to animals) this behavior also observed in all animals.
Check this documentary to learn how these animals faced isolation because of their unusual colors! This is the shortest version, I can’t find the detail ones, where the white lion was kicked out of its siblings by its parents. It was really a struggle to catch animals for itself; but it survived and owned its territory too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S6FhgGWtCg

In Africa, some culture still amputate albinos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Vr9ki8khr4&feature=related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ1rZ21mxVA&feature=related

ikeyman00:

so the fact that u picture omon nna in lagos,hmm no eman shit, omo nna was always part of the history

the only thing that will concieve u if oduduwa will wake up

why dnt u take a trip to oyo and find out yourself

u are funni fellow

the igbo sprirt is real im afraid

Similar to the Igbo of the east, the western Igbo descended Egba were always known to be revolutionaries in continual revolt against the Colonial British authorities, European missionaries and their traditional Yoruba enemies being primarily that of the Oyo and Ijebu.

Don’t get it twisted; there is no any part of Yoruba communities that never touched with internecine wars. Just in 1990s you witnessed or heard about Modakeke and Ife internecine war right? Egba and Oyo fought because of boundary, not because they were from different tribes. It’s still happening in modern day between Ogun state and Lagos state.
The revolt against any foreign intruders had always been collectively fought together through out Yoruba Land.

In Brazil an organized Ibo revolt led to the establishment of the Independent “Ibo Republic” of Palmares which lasted 45 years.  Being consistent with “Igbo resistance” Palmares ended in a massive suicide of Ibo warriors who preferred death to capture.  The city Ibotirama testifies to a strong Ibo presence in the region, however as in the case of Haiti, Afro-Brazilian culture and religious practices are more readily associated with that of the “Yoruba”(Egba) including the worship of Legba.

This is a complete hoax! Igbo people don’t need to contend this, it’s a battle lost. No matter how you travel to South America to convince them that you owned 85% of slaves being transported to their land; they would never listening to you. At the end of the day, you lose; because most money given to them over there, was used to traveled down to Ife to ask questions and reconnect to their Yoruba roots. Thereafter, they vow to wipe any intruders that came to South America to dilute their minds. Orisha has already stocked in their brain like Northerners like Arab Islam. If you want to see the video clips I may show you. And you show me the video clips of how many South Americans came to Igbo land to reconnect with their root?

“… lately some misguided Igbo people of Anioma/Ibusa (in short Western Igbo stock), have been making anti-Igbo noises.  I read that a group of 419 purporting to represent Anioma and all Western Igbo issued a statement disavowing their Igboness… If you are from Western Igboland and you no longer wish to consider yourself Igbo you have only one option.  Pack your damned bags and leave otherwise we are coming!!!”

You better stopped all this baloney! You want to break up Nigeria and still want to annex to western territory, you know already it’s a battle lost. Many Igbos are migrants in Western territory and we are ready to chase you back to the easy if Kasala busts!

ikeyman00:

hahhaa haaa

Forget about Juju wey u dey shout, una get more juju worspipper in the eastern jungle than SW. Simply, when you are urbanized you won’t have time for all that. I am glad that our culture only maintains nowadays through arts.
For Cuba, Brazil and all South American continent, if you never sing with “Orisha” nobody will buy your music: Right now on youtube Orisha songs total 380, 980 video clips!
Check this out, it has up to 3 million views more than any Naija music, you can’t do it better than that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQspTWQZEgM&feature=related

Check this out document about Katherine Dunham on "Sango" and Igbo people”
She said Sango is the strongest of all Africa gods!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab6KWufcCUw&feature=related
Check this video clip (Dirty Dancing 2 – Orisha)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjHnHADzhNc&NR=1&feature=fvwp

@Ikeaman00 or Irk-man00 or Irate-man-oo

Igbo people can’t rewrite Yoruba history. Excuse me, Irate-man00 wanna be an historian be a archeologist, this b.itch is on another snitch!
Why are you so jealous and envy of Yoruba people like this. You are ranting and yelling on here that Oduduwa traits are bad, but all Igbo people are Oduduwa wannabe. Let me quote by “Ahiajoku”
It goes like this “
Our ongoing research shows that the Igbo were the first sons within the Kwa language family, thus we were able to prove Adiele Afigbo’s Mega Igbo/Proto-Kwa hypothesis, and we told him so at the Ahiajoku lecture, and he was very happy. We found very deep-rooted Kwa and Igbo links with the Nok civilization and with the lost continent of Atlantis. We found that Nri was an offshoot of the Nok civilization of the Niger-Benue confluence, which was the so called Old Ife of Idu fame, the locale of the famous filial rivalry between the Yoruba ancestor and his Igbo senior brother Obatala. Tell me when Yoruba Oduduwa related to IGBOS? Which led to their parting ways and to the loss of the Oduduwa title by the Igbo ancestor.

b

ikeyman00:

as far back as when the atom busted abi

the igbos has be worshippin via masqurades, hmmm

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/757032/African-art/57131/Nigeria

yorujuju-for where

it either yall with us or not

all these hates aint go prevail at all at all ooo

@ikea-man00 or Irk-man zero zero or Irate-man odo odo

I won’t even show to the world the chinks in your hammer and the skeleton in your closet, if you would have stopped all your stupidity earlier on. If you still got more facts that Igbo people own Ife and Ifa pass it on. I am still poising on the block what’s good; but I bet, you ain’t gonna throw a rice on Chinese wedding!
You claimed your people own Ife and Egbas?
1) How could you own Ife? When you knew nothing about Ifa divination!
2) How could you own Egbas? When they stay east edge of south west. Then, there no trace of anything Igbo on them. You can have Obasanjo if you want, but not Wole Soyinka!
3) You said Igbos are more industrious and they are the jews of Africa?
No, I can’t take that, you are not the Jews of Africa. Jews hate Catholics and would kill them before even snakes; but majority of the Igbos are Catholics. That means no connection!
4) You said Igbos had most light-skinned, but I am about to set the record straight that Yoruba has most with people.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y37q1srP4_M&feature=related (White yorubas singing in Yoruba typical language) (Brazil)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU3cKBkhKdM&feature=related (Yemayá (Yemaya in Gayana ) - Yoruba rhythms, chants & dance)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8SfoGfF6vI&feature=related (White Yorubas celebrating Oya in Mexico)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQBoGp8leDo&NR=1&feature=fvwp (white Yoruba priest)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbxudRAOgP0&feature=related (White Yorubas Ogun’s whorppers have transcended beyond old Yoruba shrine to modern day church. This is what you see everywhere in South America.
5) One Nigeria is where we stand, if you don’t like it leave!

ikeyman00:

ur hates for the igbos will continue to be define in the boundaries of envy and jealousy!!

http://equianoconfnigeria.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!D3DEE200CCB90A7E!156.entry

In 1967, Haiti became the only country outside of Africa to recognize the independent Igbo Republic of Biafra in secession from Nigeria. The vote of confidence in favor of Biafra on the part of this tine Caribbean nation was due to the Haitian’s memory of their own “Igbo” revolutionary past. The numerous and successful slave revolts in Haiti are clearly documented as “Igbo” uprisings but yet we find the strongest presence of the ancestral deity Legba(Eshu) amongst the Haitians. In Haiti Legba is described as the most powerful of all the Loa. He is the guardian of the sun and his color is black. The guardian of the sun is most likely a code for the “Land of the Rising Sun” which is an ancient Igbo reference for the Land of Biafra. [b]The Igbo revolutionaries and devoutees of Legba(Eshu) in Haiti were in actuality the Igbo descended Mina tribes such as the Ewe and Fon(Fongbe) who are well associated with the worship and reverence for Legba.[/[/i]b] [i]Don’t tell me Legba is Igbo idol? You went to Haiti; they chased you off, that means no deity that came out of Africa that is stronger than Legba. You need to deal with.[/i]I know why the cage bird sings! Haba, you are not serious, so you want to rewrite Yoruba history to soothe yours?


(((Don’t misconstrue me ooo, this was just written of recent oooo.))) On behalf of my co-authors, I thank you all as I salute and bow before the Divinity in all Igbo and in you.

Catherine Acholonu,
Washington D. C., April 4th, 2009.
http://equianoconfnigeria.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!D3DEE200CCB90A7E!156.entry


See how your people are displaying the ignorance of Ifa divination:

In fact the ‘Out of Africa’ phenomenon whereby Early Man left the African continent to populate other continents of the globe, was a Mega-Igbo Phenomenon, occasioned by the incurable Igbo urge to expand, discover and settle. We found evidence of Anambra-speaking ichi-bearing Igbos in Anatolia (Turkey) and the Aegean as far back as 2,500 B.C. [i]The Awka/Nri/Nkanu/Nsukka/Enugu cultural phenomenon was an offshoot of ancient Nok, the lost Holy City of Light, Old Ife/Ihe, the seat of Idu - a world-renowned sovereign who ruled the world from the center of the Earth, which is in today’s Nigeria - a place marked in ancient maps of the world as Median Biafra (a ‘Median’ in any map is the center of that map). They gave Egypt its first god-men or Pharaohs (Opara-Ihe) before 9,000 B. C.

Yoruba Ifa Oral History maintains that the greatest god known to the Yoruba was Obatala (Oba ntu ala), who is the ancestor of the Igbo nation. Ifa claims that Obatala was the god who saved the earth after the Deluge. Ifa priests refer to him as “Osere Igbo: the Ancient of Days, the First Son of God … the Prince of Peace … the one who conquered death by rising from the dead after 16 days in the grave”. These are, to say the least vital discoveries about Igbo origins and identity unknown to the Igbo themselves.

Our ongoing research shows that the Igbo were the first sons within the Kwa language family, thus we were able to prove Adiele Afigbo’s Mega Igbo/Proto-Kwa hypothesis, and we told him so at the Ahiajoku lecture, and he was very happy. We found very deep-rooted Kwa and Igbo links with the Nok civilization and with the lost continent of Atlantis. We found that Nri was an offshoot of the Nok civilization of the Niger-Benue confluence, which was the so called Old Ife of Idu fame, the locale of the famous filial rivalry between the Yoruba ancestor and his Igbo senior brother Obatala Tell me when Yoruba Oduduwa related to IGBOS? Which led to their parting ways and to the loss of the Oduduwa title by the Igbo ancestor.

ikeyman00:

ur hates for the igbos will continue to be define in the boundaries of envy and jealousy!!

It's Igbos that crossed my line, they want to steal Yoruba legacy. I gave you all the evidence and you never reciprocate me back. Check this out!
Thank you for your link: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/757032/African-art/57131/Nigeria
Go back there and read these highlights below.

Sculpture and associated arts » West Africa » Nigeria » Ife and Yoruba
The Yoruba peoples inhabit a large part of southwestern Nigeria. [b]Their art traditions are of considerable antiquity. Excavations at Ife, in central Yorubaland (the site of the creation of the world in some Yoruba myths), have shown that naturalistic sculpture in brass and pottery was being produced sometime between ad 1100 and 1450. The sculptures may represent royal figures and their attendants, and life-size portrait heads in brass were perhaps used as part of funerary effigies.[/[/i]b] During this time, Ife appears to have had widespread importance, and the naturalism of its art seems to have influenced the basic development of Yoruba sculptural style. Throughout Yorubaland, human figures are represented in a fundamentally naturalistic way, except for bulging eyes; flat, protruding, and usually parallel lips; and stylized ears. The evolution of these characteristics can be observed in a number of pottery sculptures at Ife, which, on stylistic grounds, are considered to be relatively late.

[i]Remember, I told you the life-size Ife head sculpture that was found in America and dated back before Christopher Columbus.


Sculpture and associated arts » West Africa » Nigeria » Igbo
On both sides of the Niger, but mainly to the east, live the Igbo. Traditionally they have lived in small and often isolated settlements scattered through the forest. Only on the northern and western edges of the area, under influence from Igala and Benin, are hereditary rulers found. In Igbo society there is strong social pressure toward individual distinction, and men can move upward through successive grades by demonstrating their achievements and their generosity

You see what your like says: Only on the northern and western edges of the area, under influence from Igala and Benin You are bummed, Benin and Igala just housed your people.

ikeyman00:

okojujudeji

keep foolin urself

we will continue tellin the truth the oduduwa embellish to hate

the ball surely is in ur court

that makes u look like u are havin fun

igbo is always in ife, hey picture the igbo spirit in the yoru-juju culture;either u live it up or not, the truth will prevail

nevertheless one thing certain is, the igbos were always in ife where they lived until the useless and wicked oduduwa conquer them, they even helped the yorubas to fight some of wicked oduduwa rules

A Cuban female writer Christine Ayorinde : http://planetgrenada..com/2005/07/santeria-and-islam.html

If Cuban president Fidelis Castro could convert to Santeria who are you to call it juju by the way? Read this!"Ayorinde breaks new ground in her important discussion of the evolution of revolutionary policy toward religion in general, and Afro-Cuban religious practice in particular. . . . Although she is careful not to overstate her case, the conclusion one can draw from her book is that the nation Fidel Castro declared to be 'Afro-Latin' in 1975 is in the process of becoming the world's first socialist state acknowledging (however tacitly) a congeries of African-derived religious forms as its 'national' religion."--Stephan Palmié, University of Chicago”

I know you won’t have a problem with this oooo, because it was formed by a white man.
[b]Allan Kardec formed spiriticism under the influence of Orisha in 19th century. He had a “rule book” for it. It because so widely accepted in most of the Europe and Central America. He got his knowlegde from a Yoruba religion when Western region fell under french protectorate, because british deposed them. [/b]

tpia.:

good point. Probably one of the reasons why they're so anti-women in the first place. They know their achilles' heel.

The Moremi masquerades were also called Ugbo in some versions. I've never heard them being referred to as Egba before. Though its a possibility but seems rather far fetched, since the Ifes shouldnt have found them that strange if they were Egba.

Ha ba, African American feminist movement of 19th century drew its succors and references from these powerful Yoruba female warriors.
Omosa, Iya Ofa, Afunsetan Aniwura, Moremi and e.t.c.

Trust me, you can win me on Ife issues. I might think you are a novice on that topic.

You never told me your people want Wole Soyinka and Obasanjo because they are Egbas?
This is what I got from Igbo quack scientist Philips Emeaguali. If you want to doubt that, tell me what he has discovered (and don't tell me computer super super ooooo). A lot of Igbo guys debunked him and it's true what they alleged him for! I will only give you Obasanjo a.k.a. incestuous gorrila (he seems like your blood) but not my precious Prof Wole Soyinka.

http://emeagwali.com/letters/dear-professor-emeagwali-onye-igbo-ka-nbu.htm


Ishaq D. Al-Sulaimani
Vernon (Alufiel) Grier, Ed.D

THE GREATER IGBO NATION-- IDENTIFYING IGBO VARIANTS DURING THE ERA OF THE SLAVE TRADE


[b]THE EGBA ARE IGBO
Southwest Nigeria is commonly referred to as “Yorubaland” which is home to a mosaic of distinct tribes and tribal states who collectively form the present day Yoruba tribal identity, however the original Yoruba designation exclusively referred to the Oyo, a tribe who at one time lived amongst the Hausas in what is presently Northern Nigeria. [/b] In fact the word Yoruba is of Hausa origins.
Misrepresentations of Nigeria the Facts and the Figures by Yusef Bala Usman, PhD – Center for Democratic Development, Research and Training.
“The fact is that the earliest record we have of the use of the very name Yoruba was in the Hausa Language and it seems to have applied to the people of the Alfinate Oyo. Don Masani wrote a book on the Muslim scholars of the Yarriba.”
Over the centuries the Oyo were gradually driven southward where they in turn became the conquerors of the indigenous people of “Southwest Nigeria” who like their Southeastern counterparts were referred to as the Igbo. The Southwestern Igbo were protected by an army of masked warriors known as the Egbo or Egba. Olumida Lucas states that the name Egba is synonymous with Igbo. The Indigenous Igbo(Egba) lived in the forest area surrounding Ife. The name Ife derives from an Igbo system of “divination” called Ifa. It was at Ife that the Igbo(Egba) were first confronted by Odudwa who along with his youngest son Oranyan are remembered as the founders of the Oyo(Yoruba) Kingdom at Ife. At the time of Odudwa’s invasion the indigenous Igbo(Egba) resided under the leadership of Obatala whose name means the Oba or Obi Ala. Obi or Oba was initially an Igbo title of authority and Ala is the land deity of the Igbo. Amongst the Egbo tribes of Calabar the Oba appears in the form of the deity Obassi who is also called Abassi. It's a complete hoax. Like the indigenous forest dwelling Igbos, the present day Egbas are historically associated with the Obas. In fact the name of the Egba ruling council known as the Ogboni relates to the Igbo word Ogbonna which indirectly refers to an elder.

The Wikipedia Encyclopedia – “Yoruba”
“The numerous Egba communities found in the forests below Oyo’s Savannah region were a notable example of elected Obas though the Ogboni, a legislative judicial council of notable elders wielded the actual political power.”
(The Ogboni “Cult” played a central role in the Brazil slave rebellion of 1809.)
In their initial encounters the Oyo(Yoruba) were unable to penetrate the frightening Egba(Igbo) as these intimidating masked forest dwellers mastered the art of instilling fear into their opponents. In defense of their homeland the Egba(Igbo) went further in raiding and burning down the intruding Oyo(Yoruba) settlements in the town at Ife.
The Egba were first defeated through the scheming of a woman named Moremi who allowed herself to be captured as she used her beauty to seduce the Igbo(Egba) King into revealing the secrets of the masked Egba warriors. She later returned to the Oyo providing her countrymen with the necessary information needed to finally conquer the Igbo(Egba) Kingdom. This defeat of the Igbo(Egba) is celebrated every year at the annual Eid Festival of Ife.
In 1835, the Egba declared themselves to be independent of the Oyo(Yoruba) and in response the Oyo along with the Ijebu drove them out of Ibadan, Ife and other towns north of their present day capital of Abeokuta. As a result of contact between the Ijebu and the Indigenous Igbo the city Ijebu-Igbo was established. The founding of the Egba Kingdom of Abeokuta in 1837 is considered to be the last kingdom to be recognized within the “Yoruba federation of tribes”. By this time the term Yoruba had expanded beyond its original usage in referring to the Oyo and now generally applied to all of the inhabitants of Southwestern Nigeria.
The tradition of the masked Egba(Igbo) warriors is likewise documented in Southeast Nigeria amongst the followers of the Egbo Society of Calabar.

EGBO – A secret society at one time existing as a political bond between various towns especially Eastern Nigeria. – World Book Dictionary A-K 1974.
In 1876, the Scottish Presbyterian missionary Mary Slessor came to Calabar. According to the accountings of Ms. Slessor in the “Igbo” dominated areas a secret society known as Egbo went around in masks and beat people. She claimed to have chased a group of Egbo and tore off a mask. The image of Mary Slessor would later appear on the 10 pound British Monetary note. (The Egbo/Egba warriors seem to have a problem or weakness in defending themselves against foreign women. First Moremi in the west informs her people to burn the masks of the Egba(Igbo) warriors and later in the east Mary Slessor claims to have ripped a mask off of an Egbo man.)
The Egba of Abeokuta worship a deity called the Oro. Oro is a god who resides in a bush. In honor of Oro a sacred ceremony is performed at a secluded spot inside the bush. This ceremony is called Igbo Oro and is very similar to bush ceremonies observed by the Egbo Society of Calabar. There are many similar practices and rituals performed by both the Egba of “Yorubaland” and the Egbo Society of the east. In this regard it is of interest to note the name of the Biafran Officer from Ejagham(Calabar), the formidable Captain Ndom Egba.
Although the concept of Legba varies it began as an ancestral memorial designed to maintain the Egba identity during times of persecution and hardship. Legba is also known as Eshu and relates to the deity Isua which is honored in the Egbo Society as the Master of Ceremonies. Legba was also activated in the New World as a means to counter modern slavery and its attempts to wipe out the Egba identity of the captives. The deity is described in Yoruba mythology as the “Divine trickster” because of his ability to outwit his fellow gods. Evidences of Legba have been documented throughout the Americas in such places as Brazil, Guyana, Trinidad, Haiti and New Orleans under various names such as Lebba, Legba, Elegbara and Liba. It is the Igbo descended Mina tribes such as the Ewe and Fon who are most readily associated with the Legba variant.
The term Elegbara is of great significance because not only does the name appear in the Americas amongst Igbo descended captives meaning the Egba and the Mina tribes, but is also the name of a tribe that lives on the Southern Sudanese, Northern Ugandan border and of whom are likewise related to the Igbos of Nigeria as they are known by the variant of Elegbara being called the Lugbara. When traveling in Uganda I personally met a Lugbara Doctor of Medicine who previously studied alongside of Igbo students from Nigeria. The Lugbara man stated that he could understand much of the Igbo Language which held a great deal in common with his own Lugbara Tongue. Through numerous and prominent cultural and linguistic affinities the Lugbara man was definitely convinced that the Lugbara and the Igbo are akin.
Similar to the Igbo of the east, the western Igbo descended Egba were always known to be revolutionaries in continual revolt against the Colonial British authorities, European missionaries and their traditional Yoruba enemies being primarily that of the Oyo and Ijebu. In 1929 the Igbo market women of the east led a tax revolt against the Colonial British Government which became known as the Abia Women’s Tax Revolt. The Egba women carried out a similar tax revolt in 1947 known as the Abeokuta Women’s Tax Revolt of Egba Market Women. The Egba market women were led by Fumilayo Ransome Kuti, a teacher and wife of a prominent Egba educationalist. The protest of over 10,000 Egba women caused the governing authorities to abolish taxes on women for several years and the Alake who conspired with the Colonial authorities spent three years in exile in Oshogbo.
Many of the positive social and ethical traits which are often associated with the Igbo are historically documented as being characteristic of the Egba as well. Robert Campbell who along with Martin Robison Delaney signed a pact with Egba leaders for the right of resettlement of African-Americans to “Egbaland” states that the Egba are the most industrious people on the face of the earth. (Burton 1863:101) James Africanus Beale Horton concerning the Egba(Akus) “It must be admitted without question that there are no people on the coast who are so hard working and so long suffering in proportion to what they expect in return.” He also went on to say that the Egba as a race are amongst the most industrious, persevering and hard working people on the coast of Africa. (Horton 1969:149)
In terms of education the Egba like the Igbo are deserving of great acclaim. The first Black-African to receive a Nobel Prize in Literature was an Egba man named Wole Soyinka who like the Igbo actively opposed the Nigerian Government during the Biafran War. Soyinka was detained by agents of the state between 1967 and 1969. In this regard Booker T. Washington whose middle name, Tanifeani, attests to Egba origins should be noted as the founder of the famous Tuskegee Institute.
In Brazil an organized Ibo revolt led to the establishment of the Independent “Ibo Republic” of Palmares which lasted 45 years. Being consistent with “Igbo resistance” Palmares ended in a massive suicide of Ibo warriors who preferred death to capture. The city Ibotirama testifies to a strong Ibo presence in the region, however as in the case of Haiti, Afro-Brazilian culture and religious practices are more readily associated with that of the “Yoruba”(Egba) including the worship of Legba.
Olukwumu is spoken in Brazil and interestingly enough in a few Western Ibo communities such as Anioma, Idumu-ogu, Ubulubu, Ugbodu, Ugboba and Okwumuzu. In fact communities bearing the name Olukwumu(Olukumi) still exist amongst the Western Ibo. Although this dialect cannot be found in the Yoruba heartland it remains in reference as a “lost dialect of the Yoruba Language”. All of the above clearly indicates that many of the captives in Brazil including those who successfully revolted in the establishment of Palmares were of western Ibo origins and like the Egba are being mistakenly classified as Yoruba. In Brazil the Western Ibo were accompanied by a massive importing of Ebos from Angola and Ibos from Mozambique, the latter further accounting for the dominant and preferable Ibo usage amongst the Brazilian captives.
In Cuba the Olukwumu were referred to as the Olukumi, Lukumi or Akumi. The Egba have traditionally resisted identification with the term Yoruba preferring to be called Egbas or Akus. Slaves in Cuba known as the Lukumi or Akumi meaning of the Egba people were well known for suicide resistance which often found them handing from the branches of the Guasima trees. This being very similar to the “Igbo” resisters of Haiti who were likewise remembered for suicide resistance as understood in the Haitian saying, Ebos pend cor a yo, meaning the Ebos hang themselves. The relationship between the names Olukwumu and Olukumi with that of Akumi(Aku or Egba) further solidifies the common origins which link the Western Ibo and the Egba peoples.
The Egba who like the Igbo were originally known as forest dwellers are acknowledged to have been at one time living east of their present day location. The process which led to the vanquished links of brotherhood between the Igbo and the Egba can be characterized by the often strained relations that currently exist between some of the eastern and western Igbo communities of today.
Biafran Nigerian World Message Board-JAN. 6th 2004 Efulefu of Western Kind.
“… lately some misguided Igbo people of Anioma/Ibusa (in short Western Igbo stock), have been making anti-Igbo noises. I read that a group of 419 purporting to represent Anioma and all Western Igbo issued a statement disavowing their Igboness… If you are from Western Igboland and you no longer wish to consider yourself Igbo you have only one option. Pack your damned bags and leave otherwise we are coming!!!”
History not only records the common origins of the Egba and the Igbo but their common destiny as they are identified as two groups most devastated by the slave trade which is expressed in the following;[/b] [b] “The Egba have suffered more than any other nation in West Africa from the depredation of the slave trade.”