MDsambo:
Why will they insult Islam in the first place?



I never heard a Muslim insulting christians or christianity before

calling Jesus a mere prophet itself is an insult. by the way I have heard insults from a speaker of a mosque against Christians in Abeokuta

cloudgoddess:

Bingo.

It creates the problem then sells you the solution.

Emotional blackmail. emotional solution.

just pay your tithe. whatever

babalawos old follow back. I'll probably send you a mail.

Immorttal:
a nice summary of your stance on religion. But i would like to know your opinion regarding the aftermath of our actions. Is it punishable by 'God' creator?
Do sin exist?
Do you believe in afterlife as portrayed by christians and affiliated religions?
Do you pray?

I don't believe in after life. but really it won't change the fact if there is after life or not.

I pray yes, after doing my best I just pray to God. weather he answers me or not I wouldn't know.

sin exists, a society is a bond. religion is a bond too, so if you go against the agreed bond it's a sin yes.

but the hell fire thing doesn't make sense. religion defies logic so I won't agree blindly, but you should understand that bonds are laws. so yes if you agree being religious then you are bound by the the laws of the religion.

plappville:


No, god is not god. Dont tell me the god u are talking about is same as the God of Abraham Isaac and Israel, or the Hinduism god, Shinto god, allah of islam, Buddhist god etc. Because all of them are not thesame. They do not agree. Ao which is yours?

they do not agree because of cultural and religious sentiments. every people explained God in their own way, considering their own bias. that serves for the disagreements between the gods, religion is man made remember? . but in essence, there is only a God.

MrMontella:

all humans or rather all organisms are selfish is wrong dude...

you want me to have an alliance and begin to argue that my alliance is right? and others are wrong huh. that will be stupid.

it's means your not getting me. everyone's saying same thing in a different way. kinda busy. bye man

MrMontella:

all humans or rather all organisms are selfish is wrong dude...

ohlala. firstly I believe you have a limited level of understanding of the word selfishness. I also believe you think selfishness is wrong.
hmm. i have no much time though. am on my way to meet my interviewer in order to pretend to be the best candidate for the job see ya

MrMontella:

the other universe...not urs oga...thats their concern lol...

Lwkm. funny. you funny die

MrMontella:

lol..
Time may not have started with our universe incase you dont know...if our universe is
the product of the blackhole of another universe..
The mistake u make is equating a singularity to nothing..
A singularity is not nothing

so how did the black hole begin? what started the other universe?

MrMontella:

dude...ur emotions are not in check..
I'd recommend u cling to a religion..it could help ease the randomness of your emotions..

let me guess. you are unable to comprehend that? expected.

why don't you pick on my post one after the other let me clarify for you. we are all learning. because you cleaning know how the human emotions work.

MrMontella:

so every new knowledge keeps on eliminating god till he dies completely?

which knowledge? best guessing what happened 4.9billion years ago?

OK what happened 8.9 zillion years ago before time was created? give me another theory for that.

kilo4sure:

I didn't say l now know, l'm only saying that l deduced this from the fact that matter, space, and time itself all began with the big bang.

so what caused the Big Bang? what was before the Big Bang?

frank317:


Stop lying, atheists do not say first cause is nothing... what do u gain by arguing out if misconception?

Religionists call nothing God? How does that sound to u... How can anyone give nothing a name... Guy we don't know how we came about... It could be aliens, it could be tiny beings, it could be energy, the fact is that however we came about is beyond our imagination... Calling it God is guess work, why then do they argue that it's a fact... Atheists just reject what religionists claim they know because the religionists do not have prove for this claim... Atheists do not believe nothing was the first cause, they don't know and they prefer accepting they don't know than accepting your guess work that I claim is a fact.

so what is the first cause?

frank317:


What are u really saying?

You don't know the first cause... But there must be a first cause, some people call this unknown first cause God, therefore they are right... Lets start worshipping this unknown first cause and paying out tithe and offering to people in its name (the name we guessed)

What if the universe itself is eternal? What if there is actually no first cause? What if everything has always been existing?

Yes, the fact that we don't know means there is something to know, should we then start making guesses?

Really since u accept we don't know, what are both of us arguing about?

where did you see me say we should worship the first cause? pls show me.

if you have never met your father does that erase the fact that you must have a father dead or alive? pls be real.

if you argue God in a religious perspective you won't believe trust me I have been there. search God(the first cause) outside religion and you'll understand.

you atheist are just not agreeing to the religious definition which me2 don't agree giving all the contradictions. I totally understand that. but saying there's nothing(great cause) does not erase the nothing(great cause), if something can come out of nothing then that nothing must be something intelligent enough to be supreme. religious people call it God.

ValentineMary:

If I am to call God (something) nothing, would it make sense because u would agree with me that something can't be nothing

So I can't call nothing a God because it would be illogical.

LMAO. but you scientist and atheist say the universe came out of nothing na. so that makes sense? you call it nothing because you don't really know what it is. religious people call it God.

so like I said. this is the only situation where nothing would mean something. an intelligent great nothing. God

frank317:


Do you even know what atheism means? Atheist's say they don't believe in God because there is no prove of his existence, all we have see guess work like: our brain is well organised therefore there MUST be GOD.

Who has ever to you that something came out of nothing? Even the scientific postulations still do not actually have knowledge of the first cause. So why argue out of misconception.

Why do most theists hate the big bang theory (big bang is a scientific, not atheist, theory, pls do your self good and read more about it) which to me is part of the numerous idea on how we came about? Why are theists against it. The postulation is peacful.. it does not claim to be perfect like the religion ideas, it does not seek to kill for its idea, it does not claim it must be right otherwise you would be punished.
Again pls go read what atheism means... You actually sounds like one... You sound like you are arguing against what u believe in.

hmm I am not an atheist. I was once though. it made me ask questions that almost made me mad. it took me a great deal to kill the fear. even the fear of death.

see my friend, I don't believe in a best religion. but every one of them is pointing to God. differently.

when you say you do not know it means there's something to know. the fact that you do no know can't erase the fact that there's something to know. that something to know is what people have defined as God. the great cause, the great nothing, Allah, Elohim, Yahweh. these are just terms.

if you research His outside religion you'll find it\him\her whatever it is... I acknowledge it.

even if aliens come there will still be questions. where do they come from. and if they come from outside time there will be another question who created outside of time. there will be infinite questions. and all this will land at one great nothing(God).

then there will be another question. who created the great nothing(God)? probably another great nothing did that. so you'll ask again and again and again and again.

what ever rout you take A great nothing(God) awaits you at the end. hehehe. Allahu Akbar.

frank317:


I really don't get ur point. You claim there must be an extraordinary first cause, how does that answer the question: how did we come to be? You would quite agree with me that whatever this extraordinary first cause is, you have no idea, you don't even know why u think it's extraordinary. Now some people actually claim they know this first cause, they have spoken to it, it loves them, it gets angry, it protects and all that. Most cultures have come up with different models of extraordinary first cause and we know it's just guess work.
Now the atheists would rather just say we don't know... Why are y against that? Do you know this first cause? Didn't you just guess, like most primitive cultures, that it is extraordinary?
Why personify this so called first cause only to end up causing confusion amongst ourselves?
Further, how does guess and accepting that this fist cause is extraordinary help humanity? Since the fist cause has chosen to remain our if the picture, why do we still insist on making a guess work about what it is and bothering our lives, killing each other for it? What do we hope to achieve by dwelling on being right about our guesses?
Why don't we just accept that we don't know and dwell on making our world a better place until this first cause chooses to reveal himself to us.
Thank u.

the atheist says the first cause is "nothing" what an intelligent nothing. that's what religious people call God.

so everyone is saying the same thing. don't you see.

ValentineMary:

There must be a cause surely but is it an animate cause or inanimate cause I don't know but I don't believe it is animate else who caused the cause

And moreover am not angry at God because I know it is just an excuse for people to perpetuate evil. Saying am angry at God is like saying am angry for spiderman for not saving his girlfriend. That's ridiculous.

Well I can't call an inanimate object a God.

you are still seeing him as a huge man with white beard all over. that's the reason you find it difficult to accept that because it's a religious description .

you can see God as universe, nothing, Allah, Zeus, Elohim, Krishna whatever you see it as doesn't matter. the fact remain, there's a great cause beyond human capacity, timeless, outside of time... God is what most people call it.

look my friend, I have seen where you wrote sometime that you are from strict Catholic family, me2 my family is so strict I can say that's what drove me to ask questions.

my brother is in seminary and I discuss with him a lot. he says the Old Testament some are just myths. not only Christians will make heaven. the Bible is written by men who can make mistakes and who are humanly bias.

there will forever be a God(great nothing) you can't stop it. stop fighting and arguing to reassure yourself. you'll need that forever as long as you live. it's hopeless.

live you life and wait for the hour. it will come like a thief in the night. at an hour we do not expect. life is too short to be arguing no God every moment.

Good morning.

wonderful.

ValentineMary:

From the bold text, I can say that u mean God is nothing and I kind of agree.

Must there be a creator? can't we be an accidental product of an infinite uncreated nature?

there must be a cause. accidentally or otherwise. my point is, every religion defines God in different ways including science.

then why do you call yourself atheist? doesn't make sense. even that "nothing" that created everything can be termed "intelligent" therefore God.

you are judging God base on religion that's why you refuse to believe. religion is bullshit but leave God out of it.

Atheist think they are angry with God but no they are angry with religion but channel the anger to God who has little or nothing to do with religion.

stop fighting God. appreciate it. and move on.

Every human at every point in their lives will ask such questions. why the need for life? who is God?

those questions are pain in the arse. so everybody tries to interpret it the way they can in order to feel comfortable. some follow Islam, some Buddha, some science, some Christ, some sheikism, some Hindu etc.

so basically, everyone's just trying to feel comfortable. Lolz it's s crazy world.

ValentineMary:

At ur ignorance u call God to fill it, that's not how intelligent people reason. Let us assume u were born 600 years ago and I asked u how lightening comes about, u would most likely ans that a deity did it simply because ur knowledge stops there. If we are to continuously call a God to fill our ignorance, then say bye bye to scientific discoveries and innovation. If u are going to place God at ur ignorance then he/she/it would forever remain a receding pocket of scientific discoveries.


U should study a little quantum physics where something actually pop out of nothing. If the big is constituted of the small (quantum mechanics) and we know that things can pop out of nothing in the small, can't these accumulate over a long period of time


Lolz. It is funny how u actually dwell on ur speculation as ultimate truth. Some atheist hardly talk of religion outside nairaland. Some like me don't believe in any human God(s) so I see no need reassuring myself just because majority of my fellow Nigerians believe it.

U describe God as unknown knowledge, this is intellectual sloth and in the academic world if u call God at where u are ignorant, nobody takes ur statement serious.



We should prove there is no God sorry to disappoint u we can't. The same way we can't prove that Peter Pan is not real.
I mean u made a claim u are yet to prove and u are telling me to disprove what u are yet to prove, that's like disproving nothing.

wonderful. so tell me what is that "nothing".... the "nothing" must be so intelligent to create a complex machine like the human system.

what is that nothing? I don't know, you don't know. religious people have tried and tried but no one knows.

That nothing is God(knowledge unknown)....

are we clear now?

ValentineMary:

Because we don't know God did it. Nice logic.

Well I prefer invoking Peter Pan in the face of ignorance thanks.

then let Peter Pan be your God. someone or something must take credit. a cause. Peter Pan the almighty. awesome.

Efewestern:


lolx which 1 be that again na.. Abeg i nor b muslim.. I love the way u Reply that jonny of a Guy.. but nexr time ignore them..

Good evening brother

am not religious but I go to church though. Catholic church.

Efewestern:


The problem i have with Them is they equate Religion and God to be the same thing, God is Eternal, Religion is man Made..

Just look at how perfect the world is, God is Great abeg.

Allahu Akbar lolz

ValentineMary:
Nice post OP. But while a christian, I did not believe in jazz because it did not make sense.

The concept of God is flawed and a mockery to our intelligence. The moment we realised the Gods are the inventions of man then we overcome our fears.

Nice write up

Choi LMAO. bro am irreligious but there can't be no God. tell me what was before Big Bang?

your judgement is based on the religious explanations which have also discouraged me. but God? think again.

Efewestern:


Wow ... No need arguing with atheist.. waste of Time..for me i'd Let dem be.. There argument doesn't change who God Really is..

Am a Christian but i don't believe If you ain't a Christian u will burn in hell, Those doctrine don't just follow up.. I just try to live a good life.. But God is Real, Christ is real.. So many things we don't know about God.

I don't know or believe the religious myths but what I know is. time is not infinite even scientist agree to it.

what was before time? what created time? who designed our concept of life?

science says everything came out of nothing fine then let that "Nothing" be God. that will be the only example where nothing will be something.

even science with her best guess has become a laughing show on those questions, popping out stupid hypotheses.

the atheists argue just to reassure themselves Lolz. A non existence being must be so powerful to be able to give them head ache.

if they channel their frustration at religion it will be a lot easier but to challenge God(nothing)(who knows)(unknown knowledge) that is so sick and uncalled for. how much time do we have to wonder about what cannot be verified.

Lolz.

until they prove no God(which I doubt) there will forever be a God or nothing to fill the gap....

platitech:
Get a translated Quran, read it like you would read a normal book and try to understand... You would be ashamed of IGNORANCE. ISLAM is a religion of PEACE. Any aggressive or violent person calling him/herself a MUSLIM is like monkey claiming to be human.

the northern Nigeria. the Arabias. Iran, Kashmir India, British Muslims very aggressive and violent, Muslims are violent but not all.

now logically which would you believe? what a random person says online or what we see and experience?

you people that parade yourselves as the cool ones what are you really doing to change their views? nothing I guess. I have never heard of a Muslim reporting Muslim's planning bad. some even preach violence right from inside mosques yet the cool ones over look. but when there's a trouble prole like yourself rush out to say this line.

that's enough. even sultan said it, violence should be applied if someone disturbs your prayers. even my nysc pal then said same thing. kids are taught to hate non Muslim's in the north.

you supposedly cool ones do nothing other than come online to defend the religion. is the religion more important that human lives?

that's one sick religion. if you ask me.

johnydon22:


Nope you'll only attack the other person's personality, make assumptions about them with your self acclaimed knowledge of psychology when they post opinions that are consonant with yours.

You don't discuss [that is if you know how to] you first need emotional stability, learn to discuss and make your own points without referring to the other's personality because they don't agree with yours.

then i can know if you are worth me engaging.

I know am on the wrong thread then. I don't attack personalities, I only analyse them. everything, every action is explainable. only if you just pay attention.

I know when to debate and when not to. aside from psychology am ok in philosophy no ego. so I know what you talk about but weather it matters or not is another question you omit. that's what am trying to put you through. am just helping.

johnydon22:


People with such stupendous ego often like to put other people in their own mess, they'd like to assume all is under the same ego problem as they are.

you should feel free to quote me with that I don't mind. if you still haven't know all living organisms are selfish then you haven't thought about it harder. ask questions if you feel like, I'll answer you instead of subbing me.

if you think the post is faulty throw your opinion. am willing to learn.

kingdenny:

The human mind can never comprehend who God really is, and even the holy scripture does not really tell fully who he is. The human mind is limited to what it can understand. Atheism is an attempt of the human mind trying to comprehend God fully, and then it meets a brick wall. As long as I don't understand it I don't believe it attitude, can I ask do u believe in ghost existence?

if I tell you I believe I'll only be lying cos people say dey have seen. I have not seen any so I have a reason not to believe. and I hope I don't see any. but to say ghost don't exist is ignorance. because I don't know what others have seen.

that's why arguing is selfish, bias, relative and subject to individual knowledge.

so to be at peace I worry less about God or no God. I go to church Sundays when am in my parents home. I pray to God(not likely Christian way). I don't argue much with religious people it's not usually worth the time. you get?

I just live.

Ranchhoddas:
Generalizations all over the place. Speak for yourself Oga.

OK some other time. have a great day