lepasharon:
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Let's get to a point.

Relay what you think not by emotions.
Otherwise the reason for this thread will be defeated

lepasharon:


No you fool. I'm an enemy of ppl like YOU.

I apologise to you. Please let's be more accommodating especially in this time when were all praying and wishing for the best for the world.

denisbid:
many pastors who are humans are making so much money from the same God's work .

U have three answers to this.
1. As a CEO myself I know if you scale any entity or organization well, the number 1 citizen tend to live in it's afluence and wealth.

2. The bible says seek forth the kingdom of God and every other thing will I add.

3. It is not a crime for anyone to be rich including a pastor unless they aquire the money a wrong way.

To the glory of God I'm a pastor and I'm rich without a Kobo from the church added to me, I had been with money before I became a pastor but after I acknowledge and accepted the calling, I became more and more based on divine help.

So, money is good unless ill way gotten

lepasharon:


Where has religion taken Nigeria to?

Religion was not meant to take a country anywhere. It's misplaced priorities.

The appearance of Jesus was to save lost souls from sin to turn from their bad ways.

Obviously, we need our pastors to do more good jobs which will send ripples of good behavior into the society.

By and large, religion is self Discovery and not nation journey or thereabout

kendrick93:
Called
Who called you?
Bunch of potential scammers, that's what you guys are...

I understand how you feel and I must say I have given my life to Christ since 1995 and I have seen enough to understand what you mean but..

I have some questions.
Do we have born footballers or born fighters. If yes, why I'll it be out of place to have born preachers and people after God's heart.

The fact that a car was involved in an accident would not stop us from traveling in a car, please be calm even if you once had cases that are unpleasant with pastors, not all are thesame.

Godfoundme:
If you are a pastor interested in delving into the supernatural work of ministry.

1. You must be a mobile prayer house. Prayer won't have time table here but prayer becomes a survival instinct.

2. You must be a fasting machine. Fast until you don't know when you ended the last one and when you began the current one.

3 Be bold: fear is a sin and should be your mantra. You will deal with demon face to face and fear is believing the devil. Be bold

4. Be ruggedized: a supernatural pastor mustn't flow with the gentility of a normal person.

5. be radical. The holy Spirit is a wind and wind doesn't have specific direction but is making impact everywhere. The secret to the supernatural is to be able to flow in the direction of the Holy Spirit.

Peace

I enjoyed this. God bless you and more power

ThothHermes:
Ignore them and they'll get tired.

I most times don't get tired of people who don't share my faith, as I was once like that before I saw the great light and I followed to Jesus. We will keep praying and helping out as much as we can through Christ our lord

kendrick93:
And also for tithes and donations

The church collects tithes and offerings and it's not the property or belongings of the pastor. I will treat this issue as we progress. We all must know the truth and be liberated

OtemAtum:
Firstly, by getting involved in the realities beyond this earth here, secondly by reading and fact-checking what I've read.

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From my point of view, all these quotes are not from the bible so it's null and void,
I am sorry, this thread is for pastors and Christians. It will be a frutile effort if we start proving points based on what we believe in.

I am so sorry if I am not dragging this for so long. But whatever we believe let us be true to it till the end. The end will justify the means.

Renida:



My brother. Stop preaching an error.

I created a thread for pastors to discuss and gin beautiful insight. You didn't proof your point. If you think what I said is an error, please state the correct version from your point of view so that we all can see.

I don't appreciate points of orders that do not state anything.

OtemAtum:
This is not religion. It is an excerpt from the BOOK OF UNIVERSAL HISTORY. This book is where true history of the earth from billions of years till date can be found https://www.nairaland.com/2938907/doctrine-ufos

Fair enough.but how do you know it's the true universal history book?.

OtemAtum:
I beg to disagree. God Almighty doesn't have a specific kingdom. Everywhere should be part of God's kingdom, even the earth, Jupiter and other uncountable planets of the multiverse. Everything in Existence is a part of God Almighty and no matter who you are, you are a part of God Almighty. However, little little creatures of God like Jehovah, Allah, Moloch, Mazda, El, Olorun, Enlil etc may have made places of abode for those who worshipped them on earth after they died, that is just kingdom of a god. Therefore, pastors are only looking for ways to lure people into the kingdom of their gods, just as imams lure people into the kingdom of Allah. So don't confuse kingdom of a god with kingdom of God Almighty.

Read the BOOK OF DANYAL to see how Jehovah once imagined fire for his worshippers as one of his kingdoms.


Danyal 2:2-3
2. Then I said, who made this great fire here? Then did the light say to me, (Yahweh) a son of God did this through the power of meditation. But he does not know that he has done this.
3. Then I said, how is that done? How can one make fire and shall not know that he has made a fire? Then did the light say to me, you homos are able to make things by the thoughts of your head, but you might not know that those things which you think are built somewhere for you.


You may also read this:

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Histar 1:22-26
22. Now while they wailed, the evil creature said, I am your god Yahweh, the deceiver himself. I have made the fire for you because you become my followers on earth and then you are bound by my laws.
23. For my laws cannot be broken. For if you break any of my laws, you shall be punished here forever.
24. Now while our wailings continued, a great light came and lightened up the darkness of the smoke of fire. And we heard a voice, saying, I have come to free your souls. For you are seeing the illusions of what you believe in. For you are not in any real fire, but you suffer the imagination of the god whom you worship. For like one on earth who take the weed of tekum and see hallucinations of fire, so are you all.
25. For the afterlife is like a dream of never
returning. Now imagine the afterlifes of your choice and you shall find yourself there.
26. And it was so, for every afterlife we all
imagined became the places we went. But the imaginations were not our own, for our thoughts were only connected to the thoughts of some good gods who have themselves by their imaginations made good afterlives thousands of years before.

Oh oh.please what religion is this. I want to be certain before I give answers

Weldone and nice getures

But tell them to stop shooting civilians no matter what .

We are all human after all

Renida:
Not bad. One must be married otherwise one can't be a Pastor is wrong. Take note. Let's not argue. God bless

Thank you for pointing this out.

I only summarized what it means, if the bible says a pastor must be in control of his household, that means if you don't have an household you should not be a pastor leading people. There are student pastors and youth pastors etc

For example, when a couple comes to you for counseling, how do you do that as a single pastor when you only assume what goes on in marriage.

OtemAtum:

What exactly is the function of a pastor? Are people not better off without a pastor?

The main job of anyone in God's kingdom is to preach the gospel which means telling others to embrace Jesus and let go of sin.

Secondly pastors lead the church which is the gathering of the people of God to worship God and edify themselves about how to be their best version.

Part 2
A pastor must be sober — not a drunkard (Titus 1:7; 1 Tim 3:3). This is not just overindulgence in alcohol but is idiomatic for any behavior that fuels addictive responses.

A pastor must be peaceful — not violent (Titus 1:7; 1 Tim 3:3). A pastor is prone to inflict violence through his words. He is to be a peacemaker.

A pastor must have financial integrity — not greedy for gain (Titus 1:7; 1 Tim 3:3; 1 Peter 5:3). A pastor is to be upright in his financial dealings and not accused of pursuing money over the kingdom of God.

This is a point that has destroyed alot of men of God. The love of money and copy cat syndrome is a major tool the devil uses against men of God.

A pastor must be hospitable (Titus 1:8; 1 Tim 3:2). A pastor’s home is to be open for others to enjoy. A pastor’s home is not a heaven on earth, but rather a place of ministry.

A pastor must be a lover of good (Titus 1:. A pastor genuinely loves what is good. He does not just think he should love it.

A pastor must be self-controlled (Titus 1:8; 1 Tim 3:2). Self-control is a characterization of every area of a pastor’s life: diet, time, mouth, exercise, relationships, sex, and money.

A pastor must be upright (Titus 1:. He has integrity in his relationships and in how he treats others.

A pastor must be holy (Titus 1:. His life is devoted wholeheartedly to Jesus externally and internally.

A pastor must be able to teach (Titus 1:9; 1 Tim 3:2). All of the other qualifications are character qualities. This is the only ability-based requirement. He is to be able to teach sound doctrine, not just be able to communicate in an excellent manner. His teaching can be to one or two, to twenty, to a hundred or to a thousand. Most of the churches in Crete were house churches. The elders were to defend the faith once delivered to the saints against the numerous false teachers that arose.

A pastor must be spiritually mature (1 Tim 3:6). Positions of authority without spiritual maturity lead to the trap of pride. When pride grows in a man, sin abounds.

A pastor must be respectable (1 Tim 3:7). That does not mean that everyone must like him or even appreciate him. It means that there is no credible witness to an ongoing sinful behavior.

A pastor must be an example to the flock (1 Peter 5:3). Elders are examples of biblical expressions sexually, time management, marriage, parenting, worship, relationships and any other way. A pastor should be someone your sons could pattern their life after and the kind of man your daughter should marry

Now as a non Pastor you should know what to expect from a pastor so you can run away from fake ones that the bible talked about.

And as a pastor you should know what is expected of you so you will not fall short.

Thank you and may your ministry grow and impact positively this generation.

Yours in faith
Pastor Blessing Kolawole
HelpVille Christian Centre Abuja.

Part 1:
As a pastor, ensure you have all the criteria the bible indicated for you to have. The word of God (bible) is the yardstick and instructional manual binding all Christians. No matter what you see or hear in trances and visions, it must align with the bible, if not you're under attack of either sef illusion or a demon.

A pastor must be devoted to his wife; one-woman man (Titus 1:6; 1 Tim 3:2). The pastor’s marriage illustrates Christ’s love for His church—His bride (Eph. 5:22 .). A Pastor must love his wife exclusively with his mind, will and emotions and not just his body.

A pastor’s children must be in submission, though not perfect (Titus 1:6; 1 Tim 3:4-5). If a man does not know how to manage his own family, he will not know how to take care of God’s church. The first flock for a pastor is his own family as Pastor Dad. A Pastor’s qualification for the church starts in his home management as he leads them up in the discipline and admonition of the Lord (Eph. 6:4).

Note: This simply mean if you're single without a family you're not yet qualified to be a pastor.

A pastor is a faithful steward (Titus 1:7). Here the term used is overseer (Greek episkopos). It is not another office, but a functional title of the elder. It is what he does. He is a steward, a manager of God’s resources and Jesus’ flock. He takes responsibility, but not ownership.


A pastor must be humble — not arrogant (Titus 1:7). A pastor must constantly demonstrate the gospel by admitting when he is wrong and assuming responsibility and restoring relationships.

A pastor must be gentle — not quick-tempered (Titus 1:7; 1 Tim 3:3). No man will be of any use in the kingdom that is quick-tempered. The difference between how Jesus demonstrated anger is that He was angry at the abuse of others in the name of religion and the dishonoring of God. We get angry at how it affects us.

Godfoundme:
If you are called into ministry! More important than praying for power and open doors. Pray fervently for the lady you want to marry.


She will go a long way in determining your journey with God.

If you are called. Prepare yourself adequately to be chosen!

This is a real advice... If you must know that if you cannot fix your house as a pastor then you cannot lead a congregation, this will take me to my first update.
What a pastor should be or have according to the bible. You will see here that most of the pastors that are making people angry do not have these biblical standard.

Godfoundme:


You are all useless. Nigeria is oversaturated with useless pastors already.


Enemies of God everywhere! Young lady God will help you!

I have really been looking for this kind of thread for a while now. Keep the fire burning.

She may have had some encounters that has shaped her comments but by and large, my Job on here is to clarify and see we are the ones giving room for the rise of fake pastors even when the bible already said it will be on the rise as the world comes to an end.

I am happy you're one of those that know the Lord and love him.

OtemAtum:
More like saying scammers called into scamistry

Not all lecturers chase students,
Not all boys with dreads are into Yahoo.
And d lost goes on.
Not all pastors are scamming.

I know it's a tough call this days, but one of the reasons fore setting this up is to clarify as much as I can.

denisbid:
Is it advisable to get a bank loan with a high interest rate to set up a new church?

by their seeds we shall know them.

If you do what you just said, then who sent you to do what?. God's work isn't business for humans

lepasharon:


You are all useless. Nigeria is oversaturated with useless pastors already.

Oh oh. Why are you this angry. Pastoring is a calling and a job, just like vulganizers, tailors and doctors. It cannot be oversaturated.

I am also not useless, by every bit of imaginations

I know it is a privilege to be called into ministry. I also know it is a challenging mission that most times has little or no support/advice machineries in place to help out.

This is a thread to hear and help out pastors and people called into ministry who has questions or topics to share.

May the good Lord grant us all the strength to keep doing his good work without backsliding. Amen

Updated: I set up this to answer genuinely questions and have good conversation, based on the fact that a lot of people got what religion, Jesus etc means and does.

Please insults is not necessary as you can ask me anything and I will answer in a way that you will understand which will help you know a good or bad man of God

Update Apr 16 2020: in comments, write up about qualities a pastor should have. This is an indication to knowing a called pastor. God cannot be mocked.

JimohMomoh:

I like her too and her skills but divorce is not worse than death.
Many people has passed through divorce and even became greater and even end up ruling their country.
Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, Buhari etc are few examples.

All these people you mentioned are testaments that divorce is bad. All they became was a mean selfish ambitious personality that doesn't work with family which also doesn't make the work go round.

What most people don't know is after divorce you become a different demon that is emotionless. No matter who u continue with, you will never be loveable or loving.

Sanity in marriage is once, no second chance all we see is packaged love that is not real.

My job as a pastor has exposed the before and after divorce to me and I know it's unhealthy and I choose to make a single marriage work and not trying out another or staying alone. afterall all marriages started well.

Let me conclude by saying, most married people wants their partners to change to what they see as an ideal husband or wife instead of accepting them the way they are while praying and helping them become who we want.

We all do well as a parent because we can't divorce our children, even when they become bad, we still pray and try to mk them better but wen it's in marriage we activate the clause of divorce because we think it's cool.

Nothing good comes easy either you're single, divorced or married all required efforts

9jaRealist:


How do you know? Have you died?
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no I've not died bfr but I know a dead person is forgotten at some point but a divorced partner is still a pain in the ass, which brings unwanted memories that cannot be ignored.

Divorce looks easy but ask those involved and as a pastor with loads of divorce cases handled with the aftermath. I know with certainty that death is better in this regard..

Try as much as you can to avoid it and don't fall to the cheap class of people thinking it's a piece of cake

thymm50:


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Who told you divorce is worse than death? Gospel according to who? FYI There is life after divorce

I don't know how to start. But I will explain my point. But please answer these questions
Please I'm not attacking you but I will use your answers to clarify my point of view.

1) are you married
2) Are you a product of any form of divorce
3) What do you think is a problem with divorce or do you think it's normal

Oh oh. This is a bad news I must say. It didn't make my day at all.

I really love Blessing and her skills.
I wish her well in her endeavor.

Oh divorce is worse than death. I wish no one goes through it.

I am late on this thread but I will still say what the issue is.

1. Anything addiction is solved by not attacking your act but embrassing it and sliding out of it gradually and unknowingly. (I have a whole functional spiritual book on this) I can't explain fully here.

2. The bible didn't specifically mention the case of masturbation and for me anything you do that you are disturbed about, then it's bad based on your own consience.

3. If you want to be happy, responsible and have a perfect legacy, the you need to have control over your sexual feelings. It's way more than masturbation. You will also fall into alot of sexual sins that will destroy so much about what you're trying to do.

4. Rome was not built in a day. If you want to stop, don't force it. Just start out and stop sonography, that's the fuel. Give yourself targets and stay clean and I you fallback into it, don't hate yourself, it's not a bad thing to fail provided u learnt something from it.

I wish I can explain all the things coming into my head but getting close to God answers a lot of these issues while prayers is a tool for purification.

You can ask me for the book "towering above addiction" I will send the ebook if need arises.

Bestbeelieve:
Pastor abeg make u sef shake body..The other day na one pastor sef drop 300m lol

That we had been done already. But not online though

Anything for the support of the masses is appreciated.

But we many for this country Sha.

By the time den share this thing now ba one peak tin milk go reach each family after our normal leader don minister to the bags with half disappearing.

God bless us all and this pandemic too shall pass

Congratulations
I am certain Nigeria light is about to shine. We are the sleeping giants this may be the time we will rewrite all our wrongs. God of all creature and viruses is standing in the gap for us and he will see us through.

More success stories. Abi no be this week wey Dem talk say we go hear weennn don dey go so and we never hear.

Oooinnn we are doing well.

I am short of words and perplexed by the amount of negativity going on I'm the various comments session. I can no longer hold my breath.

It's now very clear to me that the slavery the whites took our forefathers are still in us full bar.

Why is it that it is only what the whites do that is good, and whatever a black man does is never good. Not even by any benefit of doubts.

It this poverty that had eaten our brains or we just don't have any self believe and self esteem.

I can only imagine if we do and say all this sad things to ourself and never seeing any thing good in what we do, why then do we complain when were thrown bananas and racism abound on us.

Little wonder the France doctor said they should go to Africa to test new vaccines.

We know now that all these giants of the world are not giant as much as we're made to know.

The quantity of millionaire in Nigeria is not a function of our people huzzling outside the country.

There are loads of loads of people who made it here in Nigeria. Good things are happening here especially with the fact that covid-19 has not finished us as these whites wants us to believe.

I beg you all if you see this text to let us stay on the encouragement side, not criticism of all that is done to help us all stay safe from either the virus or the 5G as some are postulating..

Whatever you think, we are Africans no matter how much we hate, that is not going to change. If you like have 20 citizenships it will not change your color nor change your origin.

I pray Nigeria will be a shinning light to the whole world. Covid-19 came as a joke and Nigerians are getting healed like a joke as well.

The end will justify the means.

God bless Nairaland
God bless all of us
God bless our front health workers
God bless us at home grinding even in hunger
God bless Nigeria