Angel196:

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Angel196:


So, you mean if I tell someone that he'll fail without reading for exams is just mere speculations and not the truth and fact? I'm playing god with that person? Well it'll be a speculation if that person plans on passing through examination malpractice.

Do you think God answers prayers of lazy people who don't back up their prayers with hard work? Or maybe it's always supposed to be through a miracle. Like a person who keeps praying and fasting for success in an exam yet writes nothing except his name. That person failing is a speculation because he might actually pass abi?

You want me to say building another country and succeeding is easy? Okay it is easy. I'm sorry for pointing otherwise.

Angel196:


Where did I compel anyone to do anything? [b]Pointing the truth [/b]out means compelling them? Huh guess I missed that memo.

All tribes against Igbo? What about Niger Delta people?

I'm not against anyone prevailing, I just pointed out that building a new country is not any less difficult than repairing an old one, which if you face it, is the truth.

Good luck to them and anyone else who wants his own country. I dey go watch elclassico.

freeze001:
I've been reading and smiling at the (according to pchukwudi) provocative naivety of the op. First he assumes the position of one who thinks a certain group of people must provide proof with sources of a successful nation arising out of a disintegrated Nigeria.
I wonder who died n made him a rude judge?

Op already has a closed mind beset with ignorance and the actual working of this contraption which is what has informed his belligerent posts so far. I cannot stoop so low as to attempt to explain or prove the successful prospects of Biafra or Oduduwa as the case may be, he counts for nothing in th general scheme of things.

jjjjj2017:
@pchukwudi, I love your countribution. its obvious that op is underage uninformed guy. the problem with most Nigerians was that they lacked knowledge of history. if we stay together for millions year, the situation of things in Nigeria will still be the same. British designed Nigeria the way it is for their personal interest.

Angel196:
One of the most popularly discussed topics on the Nigerian social media platform today is it's possible division. I hear it been discussed left and right and to be honest I'm sick and tired of it.

Should Biafra be allowed free reign as another country?

My opinion? I couldn't care less. I remain indifferent to these arguments. And I honestly don't know why they are stopping them. If they are so desperate to have their own country fine. Everyone is free to choose but no one is free from the consequences of their actions. There are always consequences from every action whether good or bad.

All I know is that, with or without them, Nigeria can and will still be great. In short there would be less pressure on resources and make it easier for Nigeria to get rid of corruption and monitor the country better.

No offence but you claim you want your own country and all yet you are found everywhere in Nigeria.

I read a post from an Igbo man today who said a lot of enlightening things about Biafra and how he didn't support the idea of it.https://www.nairaland.com/3753648/why-think-biafra-may-not
. But one thing with people is that they find it hard to see and accept the truth even if it drops from the sky and hits them on the face.

Nigeria in this critical stage have more important things to face than dividing their time and resources on things like this. If they want it so bad let them go and try their luck in building a country and see how 'easy' it is.

I pray for Nigeria and know there's hope for it.

TheStronghold:


You can tell that Scotland will be successful if they are to leave the UK by looking at them now. They have a functioning economy with a proven track record. There is nothing in the east at the moment that is evident of a half of a functioning country. Onitsha has the highest pollution in the world according to the world health organization. There has been noted corruption that has prevented the local people from seeing true development, and many of the residents travel to other parts of Nigeria for business and jobs. These are the things that are present now. And 2 pages on not one person has explained how it will change with biafra

MrMaestro:
Not opinion, not fantasy, not hateful tribalistic comments. Give me hard, and factual proof with sources , as to how exactly any country split from Nigeria will be better than Nigeria. Its a very simple question. I want answers.

Let's recap,

1. Nigeria has Africa's Largest GDP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

2. Nigeria has the largest amount of internet users: http://answersafrica.com/africa-internet-usage-statistics.html

3. Nigeria has the second largest film industry in the world: http://fortune.com/2015/06/24/nollywood-movie-industry/

4. Nigeria has the largest music industry in africa (I don't even need to cite this. http://www.africanbusinesscentral.com/2016/10/24/the-boom-in-africas-music-industry-continues/)

5. Nigerians own 2 of the top 3 spot of richest men in Africa (everyone else in top 5 is white): https://www.forbes.com/africa-billionaires/list/#tab:overall

So again, i'm open to discussion. Give me hard, and factual proof with sources, how a spilt country would be better than Nigeria. Its a very simple question. Answer the question below Don't derail, or change the subject, just answer the question.

Lucasbalo:
If you smoke Chicago grass you won't be saying the Democrats founded KKK. Get your facts right. The Southern Dixiecrats were founders of KKK and they later metamorphosized to Republicans in the Civil Rights Era of the 50s and 60s. That's why the Modern Republican party is the home Of KKK, White Nationalists and other Minorities hating Groups.

Lucasbalo:
One thing you have to realize about Trump's supporters or Servile Dogs as I call them, no amount of logical reasoning appeals to them when defending the Bigot. The last I checked, Bill Clinton Law Licence was revoked because Monica Lewinsky situation. There was unproven allegations by Right Wing Nuts led by Rush Limbaugh then that Hillary was threatening Bill's accusers that were investigated and found out it was a lie. This are the same Loonies that accused Hillary and Bill of killing Bill Forster and dumped his body in a Park in Arkansas. This Servile Dogs have no original ideas of their own except the junk they Google from Hateful Right Wing Blogs.

spartan117:

Why did u single out "d country with d 4th highest no of christains"
Is dat statistic necessary 4 d post u made?

Ojukwu’s disagreement with Gowon was not for any selfish reason. It was as a result of his insistence in seeing to it that the right thing was done.

And for all his selfless services to the country, what did Ojukwu get in return??

His people were massacred in their numbers in the North. Their shops were burnt and as a vindictive man, Gowon refused to do anything to stop the Igbo pogrom. Nigerian soldiers were not just unable to stop the Igbo killing, they actively took part in it just as they are currently doing even as I write this. Seeing to it that the Igbos were annihilated became Nigeria’s ‘One-Point-Agenda’

And what did Ojukwu do then??

He sued for peace. He made several effort to get the Gowon-led govt to protect the Igbos living in the North. Gowon gave him assurances and relying on these assurances, the Eze-Igbo Gburugburu assured Igbos who came back from the North as a result of the killings to go back to the North. How was he to know that the assurances he got from Gowon was like a promise of friendship made to the chicks by the hawk. The pogrom continued and most of those who went back to the North following Ojukwu’s assurance which was sourced from Gowon, came back to Ala-Igbo in body bags.

Even then, Ojukwu still didn’t declare Biafra. He still felt he could get the Gowon-led govt to stop killing thesame people it was meant to protect.

Ojukwu later succeeded in getting Gowon to put his signature on a draft agreement detailing several reforms that would not only see to the end of the Igbo pogrom but equally stop a re-occurrence in future. This event took place in Aburi, Ghana. But the Nigerian side came back home and reneged on the agreement. And the ethnic cleansing targeted at the Igbos leaving in the North yet continued.

Please, do not say because you read this from Charles Ogbu, therefore, it must be true. Do your own independent verification of everything I’ve written here. These are all verifiable facts. Google is still reachable.

Ojukwu never wanted to secede from Nigeria. It was Nigeria which pushed him away and almost sent his Igbo people into extinction. Ojukwu made several attempts to find a peaceful way out of the terrible situation. He pursued the peaceful approach but Gowon and co rubbished every of his peace effort including the most popular Aburi Accord where they drank and hugged each other only for the plateau state-born then young soldier, Yakubu Gowon to still refuse to implement the Aburi Accord.

It was after all of Ojukwu’s peace attempts were resisted by the Gowon-led govt in the face of the continued govt-sponsored killing of Igbos in the North that the Eastern General Assembly mandated the Oxford trained Governor-General of the then Eastern region, Col. Chukwuemeka Dim Odumegwu Ojukwu to declare the Eastern region as the Republic Of Biafra in a bid to protect the Igbo race from being annihilated.

Isn’t it criminally offensive that an average OneNigeria advocate would blame Ojukwu for declaring Biafra in a bid to protect his people from murderers, rapists and vampires but would neither blame those northerners whose insatiable bloodlust led to the death of thousands of Igbos which was what forced Ojukwu to declare Biafra in the first place nor blame Yakubu Gowon and co who used the instrumentalities of the govt to aide and abet those northern barbarians rather than protect the Igbos

slurryeye:


Let me explain why I believe that the war might have not happened if Emeka Ojukwu's father was alive in 1967. First of all, his father didn't stop him from joining the army, he only tried to discourage him from joining the army which is what a reasonable father will do having sent his son to the UK to obtain his BSc and MSc from prestigious schools. But since Emeka persisted in becoming a soldier, what any good father will do is to leave him and allow him to follow his heart desire which explained the reason why the 2 didn't have a sour relationship till his father demise. Trust me, if Sir Louis wanted to stop his son by all cost from joining the army, he will do it. We are talking of a man that was arguably the richest man in Nigeria then. A man that wined and dined with power that be in pre-independent and independent Nigeria. Secondly, don't compare Zik influence to his father influence. Zik was just an influential political figure from his tribe while his father made him who he was. As a matter of fact, he decided to join the military because he wanted to set a legacy free from his father influence. He wanted to be remembered in history as Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu and not as son of Sir Louis Odumegwu Ojukwu. Whether you like him or not, he did set a legacy that would be remembered for a long time. Lastly, which is the most critical reason was that if his father was alive, Chukwuemeka wouldn't have had access to massive wealth that he used to finance the war. Believe me, war is a very expensive endeavor. After his death in 1966, Sir Louis left a huge amount of money that I'm quite sure will be up to billions of dollars in today's market value. So an intelligent, bold but proud 32 year old Chukwuemeka with military training and control of a region of the country with such massive amount of wealth at his disposal believed he had what it takes to fight a war. I have to give it to him, he did hold his ground against a national army. But like I always say, the war was very unnecessary and egoistic. Without his father's death, the only way the war could have happened was if Sir Louis supported the secession 100%. And trust me, I believe he won't have supported it because not only did he believe in one Nigeria, he actually became wealthy as a result of the creation called Nigeria.

Lucasbalo:
Thanks my man. I grew up being a Democrat in the 80s just because of what Reagan did to inner cities of America . He was a devil incarnate but the republicans worshipped him for his bigotry and racism. Trump is even worse than Reagan and that's why I said trump will be a black spot on American history as the worst President in modern American History. I will tell you the personal story of my hatred of republicans or anything republican. They are truly agents of lucifer on earth.

slurryeye:


I'm glad you brought up the issue of Emeka Ojukwu joining the military as a Non Commissioned Officer despite being a Masters graduate. But there are some things you don't know that I will be glad to explain. See, when C.O Ojukwu returned to Nigeria after finishing his Masters from Oxford, he didn't join the Army immediately. He first worked in the civil service as administrative office for about 2 years. In 1957, he decided to leave civil service and join military because of his father's influence in his civil service career. He wanted to become a man free of his father's influence, and he believed the best way to go about it was to become a soldier. His father wasn't happy with the decision, and knows Emeka Ojukwu temperament wasn't good for a soldier. in order to discourage him, his father pulled string with the then governor general of Nigeria Macpherson to prevent him from being listed as Officer cadet which explain the reason why Chukwuemeka Ojukwu joined the army as an NCO. His father and Macpherson thought that he cannot withstand the rigorous NCO schedule and that he will later leave the army but Emeka persevered. He will however get commissioned when he was recommended by a british depot commander after he corrected a drill sergeant for mispronunciation of a word (element of boldness and pride he has always displayed). Sir Louis Ojukwu (Emeka Ojukwu's father) believed in one Nigeria and made his millions from one Nigeria. Many historians believe that if his father was alive, Emeka Ojukwu wouldn't have declared secession in 1967. His father died in 1966, a year before Chukwuemeka declared Biafra.

Ugosample:


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That said, the sad reality of this topic is that Nigeria cannot split, as there is no provision for that in the constitution, ...

GoodMuyis:


Ok in a simple language, we Indigenous Northern Christian said NO, what God has join together let no put asunder.

While we accepted Biafra, Oduduwa as a People of like minded, we reject any form of secession.

donborg:
greivances or not, killings or no killings, d fact remains that ojukwu had no authority (although he had d power) to declare biafra, just like he had no authority(although he had the power) to slap his white teacher for racially abusing a fellow black student at kings college lagos

slurryeye:


The bolded is so funny that calling it ridiculous is an understatement. The west doesn't know how to liberate themselves that they have to wait for Ojukwu to come and liberate then. The west that have been in existence before Ojukwu fore father was born doesn't know how to liberate themselves that they have to wait for one 33 year old boy to come and liberate them. You see, comment like yours is the reason why people take your guys has joke.

donborg:
mind you this was before the pogroms of d igbos in northern nigeria. need i remind u also that the basis of ojukwus declaration of biafra was as a result of d killings. so answer my question objectively

Ugosample:


So Ojukwu just took one part of the country out, and that is not declaration of war

Don't you know that anywhere in the world, when this is done, it is declaration of war?

How can you just wake up one morning and just take out one part of the country out of the map Use your common sense na

No president will tolerate that at all.

Ugosample:



And you think those from the north are not hard working?
There are millions of farmers in the north, our silos and good basin is up there

If that route is cut off for just two weeks, we in the south would be in serious trouble.

The thing is that, as the OP said, we are interdependent and we need each other. It will be big folly to believe that the north is completely useless or "parasitic" as some people call it.
If that is the case, how much does the SE contribute to the national coffers that they are collecting money from the proceeds of oil too. Judging by that definition, it means that the SE is parasitic too.
What of the SW states minus Lagos?

The only solution is for us to work out our differences, and know that more Unite us than separate us.

codemaniacs:


If your ancestors said "they were leaving" all they had to do was annex the eastern region... not advance into and attack other regions...
If your ancestors said "they were leaving" there would have never been yorubas, fulanis/hausas and other non igbos fighting for the biafran army.

Try to use logic and critical thinking on history, don't rely on what people tell you...

from the way the war started, your ancestors were manipulated to start a war in order to change the system of government

codemaniacs:


99% of southern Nigerians are extremely hardworking, independent, resilient and work towards been successful... So there is a very high possibility in the "constituent units" been better off and very successful as long as rebel groups are not sponsored by foreigners to cause mayhem like the case of Ojukwu and Ironsi been used to destroy regionalism(I believe the civil war was orchestrated by foreigners because the north wanted to separate during that time and the "foreigners" knew if the resources was left with southern Nigeria there was a possibility of there been a very powerful African country)..

Unlike 1966/1967 where the SE leaders wanted to rule SW(even Biafran army targeted the SW)... Present day Igbos(not igbo politicians) are more concerned about developing the SE. If Ojukwu had focused on developing the SE and not on trying to conquer other tribes then there would have never been a civil war (that's why I suspect that some northern leaders, Ojukwu and other SE leaders were cajoled into starting a war with the same north by foreigners then try to drag the SW into the war).

For example, if violence in the north was simply about anti-Igbo hatred then it would be saner for Igbos to stay home in the east. But the east is disadvantaged by its erosion-prone poor soil which cannot sustain the population density of the area and which accounts for the comparatively high level of migration of Igbos to other parts of Nigeria

lightblazingnow:
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