http://www.coptic.net/EncyclopediaCoptica/

(This is the official encyclopedia of probably the oldest Christian denomination on earth today. It was founded in Egypt.) I will get you links for Turkey when I have time, but it's the same fate as Egypt.

The attached PDF - "The History of Religion in Egypt" - is from The Center for Middle Eastern Studies, University of Arizona. Feel free to Google the title.

Demmzy15:
You're just making noise Pa Shukwudi. Please provide a reliable source which shows that Egypt and Turkey were Christian majority countries!

IpobExposed:
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Now that you are back I'd advice you to read the following topic first before continuing with your little lunacy.

https://www.nairaland.com/3550430/one-thing-noticed-ipob-why

And the beneficiary is....

The deluded one.

No need to change the goal post.

The point was that Turkey and Egypt were historic Christian STRONGHOLDS until blood sucking murderers raped the two countries in the name of whoever said that killing other people is the way to heaven.

The point is that Islam had no foothold in Egypt and Turkey historically. But today, both are claimed to be probably over 90% islamic. And this kind of makes the VP appear like a dumb orstrich when he claims that Nigeria (with about 50% native moslems) cannot be islamized.

The point is that the murderous fulani herdsmen and Boko Haram et al had been doing in Nigeria what their brethren did in Turkey, Egypt (and Sokoto) in centuries past. Yet the deluded VP and Southern Policy Makers dismiss it as mere terrorism.

My dear, what's going on in the north is not just terrorism. It's propagation of islam. It's jihad.

Every sensible human being should know that no one can terrorize another person for NOTHING.

THERE IS ALWAYS A PURPOSE FOR EACH ACT OF TERTORISM.

In Nigeria, islamization is that purpose, nothing else.

May the Southern Nigeria not be like the present day Egypt and Turkey.

Say AMEN.



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Demmzy15:
Those countries were never fully Christians, many still adopted paganism. The Copts of Egypt were minorities but they were persecuted by their own fellow Christian brothers. The Turks themselves were pagans originally before they reverted to Islam, read about the Seljuk Turks!

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You are so deluded. I wonder where you are from. So Roman Catholic is now a British govt. church too? Methodist? Baptist? You are seriously sick.

But I am not suprised. Jesus already explained what you are doing now, and here is how he puts it:

John 8:44 (New International Version)

You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies

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Demmzy15:
All regions with Christians in Nigeria was through conquest, the British Empire conquered Nigerian and sent in missionaries who were protected by the British Authorities. The same was done in Latin America in which the Spanish and Portuguese Empire killed millions just for them to be Christians.

One of Chiefs who resisted them was about to be burnt on a stake, he was asked to renounce his religion and become a Christian so as he won't be doomed for hell, his reply was:"if heaven is where Christians reside, I rather go to hell"

This shows you how Christianity spread with horrors!

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You are a demonic lair. Chritianity spread PRIMARILY through evangelism and SOCIAL WORK (free education, free medical care, free foods, free clothing, etc). Yes, there was a brief history of forced conversion in Europe but that was purely a political move after the adoption of roman catholicism as a state religion. Before and after this time christians were often persecuted by the state. And at no time did christianity entrench external agression as a means of propagation.

In Nigeria, South East and South South for example, are predominantly christian. So which historic christian conquest was done in those regions? When?

But we all know that the presence of islam in both the north and west was spearheaded with a series of brutal conquests in those regions.

So please there is virtually no ideological semblance between islam and christianity as far as propagation goes.

ahmg001:
.sum pipu re just ignorant.so turkey became a xtian state den tru evangelism abi? Was is nt tru conquest.it was d same conquest dt made most Turks xtianz den dt still mk dem to loose it to anoda religion. Am sure u want to enlighten me how chatolism spread to Latin America. FYI,in dos daes religion,culture were spread tru conquest and land grabbing whc both Islam and xtianity re guilty of

Google the HISTORY of Turkey and Egypt, then come back for discussion. The rate of political docilty and ignorance in the south is life threatening.

sarrki:


So Nigeria is now turkey?

Google is users friendly

The percentage of Muslim in Turkey is 98%

In Nigeria is bumper to fender Christian and Muslim

NONSENSE.

"One Nigeria" my foot.

You are really silly for posting this without verification.

1. There is nothing like Asaba-Enugu bridge. You are just sick.

2. There's just one Niger bridge at the moment. And you know that's not the picture you posted.

3. This thread shows that you have zero credibility.

viviangist:


Source , http://www.viviangist.com/deadly-state-of-asaba-enugu-bridge-pictures

Cc; lalasticlala

Why were you so offensive in the defense of your own dogmatism? Kind of reminds me of the gross hypocrisy of the American democrats, who force Christians to accept liberal views (like gay rights) but find it too hard to accept their own duely elected president.

I guess your conscience is attempting to restrain you but you are somehow bent on violating your own conscience on the altar of convience and political correctness.

1. See, I don't give a hoot about your personal views and ideologies. You can convert to islam and change your name to Mr. One Nigeria. That's your businesss. And I don't care. My resentment is mainly enkindled when you create threads that give OUTSIDERS the opportunity to bash igbos and label them as "confused lots who don't know what they want".

2. If you think you have a persuasive alternative pro-Igbo agenda, Nairaland is not the platform for it. The fact that you have been shouting out to the mods (probably to put this thread on the frontpage) shows how gullible and naive you are. I dare you to scrutinize this forum and see if you would find threads created by Yorubas or Housas calling out and ridiculing the political leaders of their respective zones. If you think your views are better than those proposed by the exit movement then go and engage with them on Radio Biafra Facebook group. But how can you be persuasive when you neither know our collective history nor relate with the disadvantaged majority.

3. The fact that you failed to realize that exit movement is the only force that can compel Nigeria to restructure itself betrays your naveity again. It totally beats me how you could naively expect positive social change from a system that is structurally designed to favor only a few at the expense of the many. That's simply too gullible. It betrays your gross ignorance of Nigeria's political and economic history, especially as it relates to your own people.

4. As FFK rightly pointed out from the words of Rev. Martin Luther King. He said, ‘COWARDICE asks the question: is it safe? EXPEDIENCY asks the question: is it political? VANITY asks the question: is it popular? But CONSCIENCE asks the question: is it right? And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor political, nor popular – but one must take it simply because it is right’.

Kayceenaz:


My brother, thanks for the commendation. Objectivity indeed does more good than harm. Continually "resenting" Igbos with viewpoints that are in contrast to yours would only restrict you from considering the other avaliable options that could benefit the Igbo nation, whom you claim to cherish, better. Dogmatism leaves one cognitively stunted, impoverished by his/her improbable ideas. Trying to turn the table on me by fallaciously asking, ''And you, nkor?'' would be sheer self-deception.


Furthermore, asserting that none of those agitating for Biafra from the frontline are politicians is a mere assumption. They became one the day they began making demands for self-rule. The issue is whose interests are being really pursued? That of Igbos, theirs, or that of the anonymous others? What makes you reckon that some Igbo politicians in government, with ulterior motives, do not implicitly support the Biafran struggle? I believe our ethnic challenges can be tackled from within, not without. That means having an altruistic ideology spreading through Igbos' minds.

Of course, why won't you go back and forth when you hold the perversive view that you have a God-given right to force everyone to remain members of your so called home?

naijalander:
I'm not anti Igbo, am anti secessionist. The country you are trying to secede from happens to be my home.

We can go back and forth like but the truth is the truth. You can have a Biafra State of Nigeria, what you can't have is a republic, at least not yet.

And many people believe, given the present realities, that now is the perfect time to reinforce the birthing PROCESS and intensify the agitation. Don't you think the process and the agitation is quite different from the birthing itself?

Kayceenaz:


I believe, given present realities, that now is not the right time for the birth of Biafra.

Stop passing off speculations as though they were facts. You should be tagging your scepticism with phrasal prefix like "I think". Don't just pass off your pessimistic views as though you are God.

Kayceenaz:


My brother, Biafra is not yet a country. Realizing it now is a step in the wrong direction and would worsen our woes.

1. Prove that you are not a kid. Just show me one instance where I mentined "igbo" in my engagement with YOU in particular. If you cannot do that, then know this as a fact: your childish mind is responding to it's own thoughts and NOT to my statements.

2. I resent Igbos who champion anti-igbo sentiments on this platform because by doing so, they give arrogant outsiders like you the opportunity to think that you have any idea what we are talking about. Or, worse still, it gives you the delutional impression that you have a right to participate in the discussion..

naijalander:

Couple of questions.

If your philosophy of Igbo nationalism is so solid, why flip over one person's opinion?

Does it contain too much truth for you to handle?

Are you afraid your fellow secessionists will read it and change their minds?

Also ask yourself this: who counts as Igbo? Since apparently only Igbo people have a right to render an opinion, seeing as there are many people of Igbo decent who do not necessarily share the culture (some don't speak Igbo, in fact some Igbos are so far from Igbo culture, and going by secessionist logic, they do not even qualify as Igbo anymore. If I don't have a right to this discussion, then they shouldn't.

So you see it makes no sense, take my advice and fight for autonomous states instead.

Good to know that you are Igbo. Good too that you are intelligent.

But then, personally, I don't fancy it when Igbos champion anti-igbo rhetorics on Nairaland.

There are a lot of alternative and pro igbo and Biafran platforms on which you can air your views with full empathy and understanding of how Nigeria's institutionalized injustice had affected the majority of the Biafran population and still do up till this moment.

What I really think you should stop handling with "kids gloves" (sic) is the more than 50-year old anti igbo sentiments that've been entrenched in the Nigerian psyche and on this Forum.

You should also realize that those championing the exit movement have never been politicians in the present system. And yes no system will ever be perfect. So no need to speculatively demonize an alternative option that you've not tried.

Also, how come you seem to have no idea that the root cause of the seeming retrogression this country is trapped in is its unjust systems and extractive institutions? This suggests that you either did not grow up here or you did not share the experience of the common class.

Just yesterday, January 3rd 2017, I heard a cracking noise near a friend's office. And when I asked what it was about I was told that a young female hawker was just ran over by a speeding vehiecle - and it was near certain she won't survive.

I could not go out to witness the horrible event but I wept uncontrollably in the office. Why?

- This young girl chose hawking (when others were still celeberating new year) because she had to survive and prostitution was not an option.

- Hawking was attractive because education was not made compulsory for her.

- Now that she is down, woud she access any kind of insurance cover? Your guess is as good as mine.

I could go on and on, but I guess you have an idea of what I am saying. This is 2017. And this system has never worked since the last 100 years. #IWantAnAlternative

Kayceenaz:


Dear Chukwudi, for your information, I'm a full-blown, deeply-rooted Igbo man of Imo State extraction; "A bụ m diala." That, in addition to my rational stability, affords me the right to address and x-ray issues that affect me and my fellow Igbos. The consequent intersection of my future and that of the Igbo nation put the onus on me to ensure our story ends happily rather than tragically.


Timing is crucial in executing such plans of secession. God, Himself, in the Holy Bible even waited for the right time to engineer the Israelites' secession from Egypt. I reiterate that the Igbos have a tacit right to self-rule but the timing--now--is not right. The prolonged inhumanity of Igbos to Igbos affirms this. Reversing this contemptible convention would considerably suggest that we're ready. Prematurely birthing Biafra would herald the perpetuation of most evils that caused us to secede in the first place.

Entitlement to your opinion does not give you any damn rights to ARGUE with me about my perceived future and destiny.

Who the heck are you to decide the future of the Biafrans and what's the best for them?

Yea, bring forth your concerns about how the exit will affect you or your region. Base your entire arguments and discurse on that premise EXCLUSIVELY.

STOP telling us what to do, or what's good for us. WE DO NOT NEED YOUR OPINION ON THOSE. And you have absolutely no jurisdictions whatsoever to instruct us or decide for us what the "good idea" is.

Heck!

naijalander:

I don't need to be Igbo to air my opinions (which by the way am entitled to), I only have to be objective.

That said, what you want is an homogenous state right in the middle of the 21st century which is highly improbable.

I think SW had a few hundred years of experience with political independence during pre colonial times, coupled with give or take 20 years of civil wars so yeah, I do have a right to talk.

Your exit from the federation will affect me as much it will affect you so yes again, I do have a right to an opinion.

Don't mind them. I said it earlier:

Only crazy (demonized) people trust a wicked, disorganized, selfish and grossly incompitent government.

VulgarVulvas:


Keep defending rubbish

The most vulnerable to this new policy is the almajiri north and poverty encrusted afonja lands

1. You left the CLEARLY laid out topic and salient points and started talking gibberish.

2. Your pathetic rant down there is the practical illustration of the hypocricy OP was talking about.

3. Was it only GEJ and PMB that contested for presidency in 2015?

banki:



I Dont like buhari but if Jonathan was good we wouldn't need a buhari....

WORDS ON MARBLE

Does this not tell any rational mind that the Government is helping the mindless murderers and condoning the massacres?

How can people who have never spoken against the massacres since it began suddenly start talking against carrying of arms for self-defence?

This tells us the type of criminals we have in power in Kaduna state and it explains the situation better to the international community.

Before you jump into conclusions and start the stale blame game, you should have first asked a few pertinent questions.

1. From where was the data derived? Jobberman's platform alone? All recruitment portals and platforms that serve the country? Could it be that the data is suggesting that Jobberman is losing it's market share? Could it be that this is not necessarily a nationwide decline in applications across the board?

2. What is the statistical position of the announced vacancies in the same period? Could the decline in applications be a direct outcome of general decline in job offers?

Blaming the collective for the irresponsibility and ineptitude of the government is pathetic, and that's putting it nicely.

DropShot:
They youths of today are generally lazy. They only have the time to moan online.

Moaners and wailing zombies have forgotten they need to look for job as they use their day and night to wail.



Read the emboldened:

What right do you have to decide what's good for a region you DO NOT belong to?

You guys are disgustingly so arrogant!

- Did your region fight and lose a civil war? NO

- Had your region ever declared independence and got reannexed? NO again.

- What the heck then gives you the impetus to think you know what's the "good idea" for a region that experienced the two scenarios above? Pure madness.

You are entitled to your opinions, speculations and suggestions, but ARGUING with another group (to which you do not belog) on what's the best for their future and destiy is the height of insanity induced arrogance.

This is the same institutionalized madness that led to the dreaded civil war.


@ Kayceenaz take note.

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naijalander:


I resent that word "Afonja"

Yes self determination is right. But it may not be a good idea. Consider that all ethnic nationalities of the federation operate interdependently.

The North have a political hegemony which is evident is there overwhelming numbers in all armed groups (Army, Navy, Police, NSCDC, etc).

The East with their affinity for production have an economic hegemony over the country.

The West, being a melting pot of all ethnic nationalities in Nigeria, has a consumerist mentality and serve as the market for what the East produces and the agricultural produce of the North.

I you understand the dynamics with respect to intercultural communication, you will see that secession is indeed an Invitation to Retrogression.

What most (not all) Biafra secessionists want is a country where the Igbos are the majority thereby exercise political hegemony for the other communities. If Biafra happens today, it may trigger another civil war, not between Nigeria and Biafra but surprisingly between the Niger Delta tribes (Ijaw, Efiks, etc) and the Igbo. After that, there will most likely be a religious crisis, I lived in Abuja and met a lot of Igbo Muslims who still have a major connection to the East, in fact that is where they get their produce from, I have also heard a Biafra secessionist claim there will be no mosques in the proposed Biafra. Where does that leave the Muslims among you? Will Biafra truly be a place of freedom of expression without religious freedom?

What you can have is federal structure where every state has its own constitution with limited autonomy. Power to mine and control your own resources, access to your own police force and other things. That is what will make sense, secession is simply a bad idea.

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With 160 million people, Nigeria is Africa’s most populous country. Just over 50 percent of the people are Christians, who form the majority in southern Nigeria; Muslims account for another 45 percent of the population, largely living in northern Nigeria. There are 30 million Catholics in the country. In 2012, close to 1,000 Christians died because of their faith in Nigeria, according to reports, and Boka Haram is responsible for the deaths of at least 700 Christians in 2013.

wite111:
Here is what they won't tell Nigerians about the FG N5, 000/month stipend to the poorest and most vulnerable in the country through the Conditional Cash Transfer (CCT) of its Social Investment Programmes (SIP).

1. It is N5,000 per household, not N5,000 per person.

2. Meaning that if a household is TEN persons, it will be N500/person.

3. World Bank is contributing about $500m (about N25bn) to the scheme.

4. FG is constributing N5bn.

Now you have been told and it is left to you to allow yourself to be deceived.

https://www.nairaland.com/3553065/another-lie-exposed-here-what

pentlumpro:

Gbayaramu ezigbo Nwanne

glossy6:


anugom. Ndo. Ka udo chia na ndu anyi nile

Better.

I want you both to realize that younger igbo girls and boys are seeing what you are doing here. The shameless banter is also getting indexed on Google. While you're both anonymous here, I hope your consciences will be proud tomorrow when you are to guide your own kids on how to respond to internet dissagrements and trolling.

I guess this will be my last comment on this thread. Both of you are full adults and are fully responsible for you actions and inactions.

pentlumpro:

Pcchukwudi i ignored this shameless efulefu because of your intervention and she now she or he has continued to attack me
Let the insults continue
Ihere adighi eme gi na nne gi na nna nne gi na edila

I thought I asked you to ignore all the further provocations on this matter?

But to answer your question, Afonja is actuaally a historic figure in in Yoruba culture.

I am not a Yoruba person, but while I had never ascribed the name to anyone, I actually don't think the name in itself is derogatory.

It's just like someone calling you Ojukwu or any other historic figure from igbo extraction.

Plus I think her calling you by that name is a valid proof that she did not believe that an igbo person can actually create this type of thread here.

But please note that the above is sure not to justify the idea of tagging crude and derogatory names to anyone (irespective of their tribes).

glossy6:


And her calling me afonja is quite acceptable abi? Maybe Afonga is now a pet name for loved ones.

How about showing her some love as a sister?

I think it's clear now that she created the thread innocently (even though she shouldn't have) without any predjudice to Igbos in general. She has already been critisized enough.

So now that she has taken down the OP I think you should show her sone love to prove that your criticism was not a personal attack. I realize that she called you a derogatory name in igbo first. But I beg you to overlook that and understand that even before you got here someone had already harrased her extremely. So I still insist you take the first step to make up with her as a sister.

Please don't say no. Ada oma.

pentlumpro:

She was the first to insult me in igbo
She should apologise for being a sabo

You did not have to say that. And I suggest you apologise to her.

pentlumpro:

Ezi ohia akwuna ndi afonja

glossy6:


Dika nne gi

Ada, ozugo. Atupu zinaru onye obuna onu n'kwua. I nugo?