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Re: How Can The Atheist Me Be Happily Married To My Christian Wife? See My REPLY by shadeyinka(m): 10:59pm On Mar 18, 2021 |
Kobojunkie:I didn't ask why an atheist cannot marry whoever they want. I asked why an atheist would be interested in marrying a true Christian. Is it because of satanic evangelism? What is so special with true Christians that an atheist would ignore true Atheists and be pursuing true Christians? Kobojunkie:Just check a few NL post and tell me the impression the average Atheist have about Christians! As a Christian, your knowledge seem highly skewed. Kobojunkie: Mat 28:20: "Teaching them to observe all things whatever I have commanded you: and, see, I am with you always, even to the end of the world. Amen." Mat 28:19: "Go you therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" A Christian's child is his first student and disciple. Kobojunkie:If you cannot teach your children to do all Christ has taught, my brother, you have failed. For your home is your primary CHURCH! |
Re: How Can The Atheist Me Be Happily Married To My Christian Wife? See My REPLY by budaatum: 11:00pm On Mar 18, 2021 |
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Re: How Can The Atheist Me Be Happily Married To My Christian Wife? See My REPLY by budaatum: 11:03pm On Mar 18, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: I hope you can see what I have been pointing out. He believes! |
Re: How Can The Atheist Me Be Happily Married To My Christian Wife? See My REPLY by Kobojunkie: 11:05pm On Mar 18, 2021 |
shadeyinka:David may have taught to call those he referred to in his writing there as fools, but God did not think me a fool when He dogged me and pulled me to Himself even while I was still an atheist. ![]() Note, God does not necessarily share David's opinion there that you should take your training from David there. shadeyinka:The atheist is condemned to die (cease to exist in his grave) but anyone who believes in Jesus Christ has eternal life. However, the same Jesus Christ who told you that also told you that those who do not become Sons of God, though they have received Him will spend eternity in Hell. So, are you, as a person, better than those you suggest do not have the spiritual DNA of God? ![]() shadeyinka:Again, are you better than the atheist? 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: How Can The Atheist Me Be Happily Married To My Christian Wife? See My REPLY by Kobojunkie: 11:20pm On Mar 18, 2021 |
shadeyinka:Your question still makes no sense. You assume that atheists discriminate as far as who they would marry in the same way that you have chosen for yourself. I am a Christian and I don't even get those who claim to believe in Jesus Christ and think as you do that Christians should only marry Christians or that nonsense. shadeyinka:You seem to care a lot about what the average Athiest on Nairaland thinks, don't you? shadeyinka:I am not skewed... instead I have been set free from all that bullsheet religion that many of you like to cling to -- those moral codes that at the end of the day have absolutely nothing to do with Jesus Christ or the Kingdom of God to begin with. shadeyinka:Exactly what I said to you before. This He made clear in His final instructions to His followers when He sent them out to go teach the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven, that which He taught them(no modifications of any kind), to the world.You are to teach the Gospel exactly as Jesus Christ gave them to you. That is all He commanded you to do. Jesus Christ commanded you to teach ONLY THAT WHICH HE TAUGHT... He did not send you to teach your own doctrines and traditions which is what you have been spewing all this time, pretending you do so in the name of Jesus Christ. ![]() shadeyinka:Your child is your first student? Really? Says who? ![]() The Spirit of God, the one who is supposed to direct you to each of those He commands that you teach the Gospel to or You since you probably believe it is your decision to teach the Gospel to whomever you want and whenever? ![]() Even Jesus Christ did not teach His Gospel to everyone since He was well aware that He was only to teach them to those God had sent Him to, and not to those He had not sent Him(Jesus Christ) to. ![]() God has yet to send me to teach members of my own family(I live with them too), and I understand why. ![]() shadeyinka:Again, this is, at the end of the day, a question of whether you trust the one you claim as your God, or you instead trust yourself to do handle it all by your own power and might. ![]() Even Jesus Christ, the Lord Himself, who spent over 30 years on this earth with His family, was not able to convince until much much later in His time on earth, and after He had left this world. If you think the measure of you is in whether you are able to convince your family or not, then you are truly running your own show there. ![]() 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: How Can The Atheist Me Be Happily Married To My Christian Wife? See My REPLY by Kobojunkie: 11:32pm On Mar 18, 2021 |
shadeyinka:Remember that you brought the Parable of wheat and tares into this. I simply followed your analogy by pointing out that even then, Jesus Christ told you that the tares will not be separated from the wheat until the end. ![]() Wheat refers to those who accept and obey the commandments of Jesus Christ whereas Tares refers to those who refuse to obey Jesus Christ(i.e. they are anti-Christs). ![]() shadeyinka:Considering God made us all - atheists and non-atheists - it makes sense that we all look alike. ![]() You keep using the term "True Children" of God, yet forgetting that Jesus Christ, God's very own avatar came down to earth, wined and dined with these same sinners, and never once condemning them or their choices. Are you truer than God Himself in this? ![]() 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: How Can The Atheist Me Be Happily Married To My Christian Wife? See My REPLY by shadeyinka(m): 11:40pm On Mar 18, 2021 |
Kobojunkie:A fool can be saved isn't it? An atheist can be saved isn't it? A sinner is one who need salvation and not the sinless! Atheists are fools because despite all the evidences, they think something can come out of nothing! They think a book can write itself. Anyone who thinks a library of books can make itself is a compound fool But yet, a fool can be transformed at salvation. Kobojunkie:I wish what you wrote is true but it goes against the nature of God. If God is the Source of all morality (rules for interpersonal relationships) then He must set up a system of justice (morality is meaningless without justice). It will be stupidity to know that God is the source of morality and not expect Justice. Rev 20:15: "And whoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire." 1. Why do you think there would first be resurrection of both the good and the evil before judgement? 2. Why wouldn't God just resurrect the good and leave the evil in an unconscious state? 3. It the worst punishment God can give death? I wish you can truthfully answer these three questions! |
Re: How Can The Atheist Me Be Happily Married To My Christian Wife? See My REPLY by shadeyinka(m): 11:41pm On Mar 18, 2021 |
[quote author=budaatum post=100001846][/quote] LOL! I know that as usual, you wouldn't answer these questions because it betrays your shallowness 1. Is morality objective or subjective? 2. What is the standard of morality for Atheists? 3. Is sex before marriage between consenting adults moral or immoral? If you cannot justly and truthfully answer these questions, your comments are at best ramblings of empty barrels! |
Re: How Can The Atheist Me Be Happily Married To My Christian Wife? See My REPLY by shadeyinka(m): 11:44pm On Mar 18, 2021 |
Kobojunkie:Are you refuting these statements or concuring? |
Re: How Can The Atheist Me Be Happily Married To My Christian Wife? See My REPLY by shadeyinka(m): 11:52pm On Mar 18, 2021 |
Kobojunkie:A Tare is a kind of weed that looks very much like wheat only that they are barren. Many times they are indistinguishable from wheat hence the Master said, "wait till the harvest"..."so that you wouldn't accidentally pull out a single wheat"! It's amazing that Jesus didn't mix with Herod! |
Re: How Can The Atheist Me Be Happily Married To My Christian Wife? See My REPLY by shadeyinka(m): 11:57pm On Mar 18, 2021 |
Kobojunkie:My question still is, why is it diserable for an atheist to seek marriage with a true Christian. Is it not diserable for Atheists to marry fellow Atheists? Are Atheists afraid of corruption expected from fellow Atheists? |
Re: How Can The Atheist Me Be Happily Married To My Christian Wife? See My REPLY by Kobojunkie: 12:07am On Mar 19, 2021 |
shadeyinka:Again, God does not necessarily share the opinions of David. since He, God, decided to pick up a fool like me and make me one of His very own - one who accepts(trusts) and obeys the commandments of Jesus Christ Himself. shadeyinka:I am afraid you are mistaken. God is not the source of all morality. Man's ideas of morality are not of God - they are mans. And Jesus Christ warned you severally against adopting the commandments of men as they are lies that nullify the power of God in your lives, rendering your worship of God meaningless. ![]() God condemned unbelievers to death (condemnation of sin) since the garden of Eden(Genesis 2). Adam and Eve(they both perished in their graves - where turned to dust/ceased to exist as a result) were first to be condemned by this judgement that God instituted since the very beginning. God repeated the validity of this judgement in Ezekiel 18. In John 3 vs 16-21, it is made clear to you that what Jesus Christ offers you is salvation from the condemnation of Sin(Death), and not sin itself. It goes on to state that Jesus Christ's offer only applies to those who believe in Him - meaning unbelievers remain condemned to die as God stipulated from the beginning. So those who are in their graves, aren't unbelievers but the righteous(from Old) and believers(who have been gifted eternal life by Jesus Christ), all of whom exist, and sleep in their graves. Know the truth of your God from the many doctrines and traditions of men which many of you cling to. shadeyinka:The second resurrection is of those who are of the Kingdom of God, you forget there are two parts to this kingdom promised... Heaven and Hell. The good(sheep) are for Heaven and the bad(goats) of Jesus Christ's flock are bound for Hell. By "the unconscious" state, I suppose you mean God should leave them sleeping in their graves instead. Remember that the Covenant came with a promise of eternity to be spent either in Heaven or in Hell. And God is True, and His Word is Truth. Read Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46. shadeyinka:You assume that God would think as humans do where punishment is concerned. Here are two things I learnt very early on when I started investigating the character of the Bible God while still an atheist. 1) God does not judge the same people twice. 2) And God punishment for His own turns out worse than the punishment He gives to those who not belong to Him. This pattern is seen over and over in the Old Testament. ![]() * Death(return to dust, cease to exist, become nothing, mind, body and soul) was declared as punishment by God from right in the same garden where He made man. He sentenced the very first man to this fate even there. And this is the condemnation He has placed on those who do know Him. However, on those who know Him, through Jesus Christ, He condemned instead to eternity in Hell. |
Re: How Can The Atheist Me Be Happily Married To My Christian Wife? See My REPLY by Kobojunkie: 12:09am On Mar 19, 2021 |
shadeyinka:The point of the parable of tares is the landowner said Not to separate the tares from the wheat until the very end. so suggesting that Jesus Christ called for "Christians" to separate themselves in any way[quote][/quote] from those around them is not according to the teachings or Acts of Jesus Christ. |
Re: How Can The Atheist Me Be Happily Married To My Christian Wife? See My REPLY by Kobojunkie: 12:12am On Mar 19, 2021 |
shadeyinka:My answer is an atheist is free to marry whomever he/she chooses to, regardless of religious background. So long as the couple if happy, it is their right and freedom by God to do as they please. ![]() While you sit here lampooning this one for marrying a Christian, your God continues, daily, by the way, to pour on them(the wicked and ungrateful alike) His mercy and compassion. Don't you find that ironic? ![]() |
Re: How Can The Atheist Me Be Happily Married To My Christian Wife? See My REPLY by Kobojunkie: 12:13am On Mar 19, 2021 |
shadeyinka:I responded as clearly to each one of them as I could. |
Re: How Can The Atheist Me Be Happily Married To My Christian Wife? See My REPLY by shadeyinka(m): 12:14am On Mar 19, 2021 |
Kobojunkie:We say the same thing and it's in agreement with the Scriptures. An atheist is a godless fool until his eyes be opened to God. If death is the worst punishment man can give, what's the worst punishment God can give? Luk 12:4: "And I say to you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do." |
Re: How Can The Atheist Me Be Happily Married To My Christian Wife? See My REPLY by shadeyinka(m): 12:16am On Mar 19, 2021 |
Kobojunkie:I wanted to know if what I got from your statements were true. What you did was to reiterate your pov |
Re: How Can The Atheist Me Be Happily Married To My Christian Wife? See My REPLY by shadeyinka(m): 12:21am On Mar 19, 2021 |
Kobojunkie:Only a stupid, gullible or selfish Christian will choose to marry an atheist except if she never knew Christ And this same God will select out for his judgement the children of Belial!? |
Re: How Can The Atheist Me Be Happily Married To My Christian Wife? See My REPLY by shadeyinka(m): 12:31am On Mar 19, 2021 |
Kobojunkie:The parable is saying in summary that God cares even about the "baby Christians" and would rather allow pretenders around them until the day of harvest. Correlate with these Scriptures below: Mat 7:22-23: "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity." Luk 6:46: "And why call you me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" Mat 7:21-23: "Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity." |
Re: How Can The Atheist Me Be Happily Married To My Christian Wife? See My REPLY by Kobojunkie: 12:32am On Mar 19, 2021 |
shadeyinka:I don't say what David says because it is not from David I learned of God but from God Himself that I learnt of what God says of me. shadeyinka:The kind of Death(Condemnation of sin) that God inflicts is the kind that destroys both the body and the soul. That is the Death that He imposed, from the beginning, on those who do not believe in Him. ![]() As for the worst punishment God can give? I am not sure which of Hell or Death God considers worst, but from where I sit, I would choose God's Death over eternity in Hell any day, and God knows this of me. ![]() |
Re: How Can The Atheist Me Be Happily Married To My Christian Wife? See My REPLY by Kobojunkie: 12:33am On Mar 19, 2021 |
shadeyinka:Jesus Christ has nothing to do with what any of what are saying here at all. This is all that is stored up inside of you and not God or Christ. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: How Can The Atheist Me Be Happily Married To My Christian Wife? See My REPLY by Kobojunkie: 12:35am On Mar 19, 2021 |
shadeyinka:I know what the parable says. You however picked to bring it into this discussion to support your idea of separation of peoples and I merely threw it back at you, pointing out that even in the parable, Jesus Christ made it quite clear that no separation will take place until when the "harvest" is due, and that does not happen until after He returns. ![]() |
Re: How Can The Atheist Me Be Happily Married To My Christian Wife? See My REPLY by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:13am On Mar 19, 2021 |
I remember some two decades ago a friend of mine dated a young lady who already had two kids with different men. To my friend this lady is the miracle he's been praying for right from the beginning of his life, how? She's hard working, beautiful, industrious and capable of house keeping. In fact my friend found everything he wanted in a woman in her. So to my friend JWs have the best females when talking about wife material, he kept arguing with me each time i tell him that going by the tenets of JWs this young woman is not one of them. My friend said "her father, mother and all her families are JWs" but i insisted she's not one of them (though i just began studying with JWs back then) Later they broke up because this young woman started dating another man whose wife suddenly died and desperately in need of a replacement, the man is younger and richer than my Muslim friend, my friend tried to fight back only for him to end up behind bars for beating up the lady! Of course he got a good lady but she was unfaithful just as she's been doing right from her childhood. Her faithlessness has been the major cause of her troubles. My wife always keep an eye on her saying "she's still searching and she will prefer someone who knew the all tenets of JWs like you than your friend" so she doesn't trust her a bit, anytime she's around Trivina (my wife) doesn't feel comfortable! Though my friend thought he was dating a JW but i keep telling him that she's just a kind hearted person not really one of JWs! ![]() |
Re: How Can The Atheist Me Be Happily Married To My Christian Wife? See My REPLY by shadeyinka(m): 7:56am On Mar 19, 2021 |
Kobojunkie:Even though the parable speaks clearly of the mixture of God's true children with impostors, it DOES NOT condone a union of light and darkness. 2Cor 6:14: "Be you not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship has righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion has light with darkness?" |
Re: How Can The Atheist Me Be Happily Married To My Christian Wife? See My REPLY by shadeyinka(m): 8:00am On Mar 19, 2021 |
Kobojunkie:This is WISDOM for living successfully as a Christian! Will you keep a puff adder or a gaboon viper pet in your home? I am sure the bible is not against Christians keeping pets |
Re: How Can The Atheist Me Be Happily Married To My Christian Wife? See My REPLY by Sheunma: 9:15am On Mar 19, 2021 |
Interesting conversation going on here. From all that's been said, something jumps at me: Former atheists, like Buda and Kobo, who are now "christians" seem to have a different, somewhat philosophical interpretation of the scriptures from "mainstream" christians, like Shade. The majority of christians, including members of JW like Max, would find the position of Shade and Max agreeable- No "true christian"( whatever that means) would marry an atheist. I might be wrong but it takes a christian who has passed through the eye of athiesm or at least agnosicm to even entertain the thought. So my quandary remains why is former athiests idea of christianity different from other christians? Anyone? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: How Can The Atheist Me Be Happily Married To My Christian Wife? See My REPLY by shadeyinka(m): 9:21am On Mar 19, 2021 |
Kobojunkie:All Scriptures point to the same message. Luk 24:27: "And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded to them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself." Kobojunkie:Mat 10:28: "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." God can kill the Body and then after still kill the soul of man. Death is not a state of unconsciousness: it is a state of conscious bodiless existence |
Re: How Can The Atheist Me Be Happily Married To My Christian Wife? See My REPLY by budaatum: 10:49am On Mar 19, 2021 |
Sheunma: First, let me surprise you. shadeyinka: Now, a rephrase of your question, if I may, since I am not a Christian. Why is buda's understanding of the Bible different from most christians? For me, the answer is objectivity. And an ability to read. And an undying atheistic ability to disbelieve. And the obedience to the gnostic doctrine of "ask and seek and knock with all your heart and soul and mind and being, and even after you think you might have found, keep on seeking till your last breathe". Some go looking for a God, you see, but I do not need to because it is written in a book I can see and read that [url=https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+1%3A27&version=NIV]God created an image[/url] I can see when God breathed into mud and made you, I read, a child or creation at least, of the Most High, who's greatest law is [url=https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+22%3A36-40&version=NIV]Love Wisdom[/url] - a gnostic understanding of the word "God", and who's second law is "[url=https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+13%3A34-35&version=NIV]Love one another[/url], of whom Christ, the Words in a Book, reads "inasmuch as I have done for those here whom I see, the Gods in heaven whom I see not are pleased". The whole book basically teaches how to love you, and I just happen to have this one belief that loving you reduces the hateful people by one therefore making the world a tiny bit of a better place, which I think is worth doing since I will be spending three score and ten years in it, so why be a hateful buttho I say, and if that ain't good enough for the Gods, they can collectively kiss my butt when it arrives in their presence to be judged. P.s. What I love about this thread is that atheist eomajeh is more Christ like than buttho "Christians". |
Re: How Can The Atheist Me Be Happily Married To My Christian Wife? See My REPLY by lilvicky68(m): 10:59am On Mar 19, 2021 |
Sheunma:Those former atheists now christians are true believers because they've taken time to study the word of God and also been touched by the Holy Spirit they dropped their atheism and believes unlike we normal christians who just go to church and agree with anything the pastor says.. |
Re: How Can The Atheist Me Be Happily Married To My Christian Wife? See My REPLY by budaatum: 11:20am On Mar 19, 2021 |
lilvicky68: I will say "understanders" instead of "true believers". As in, we seek an understanding and find one. I, for instance, believe nothing when it comes to Gods, but if you slap my right cheek and I turn my left cheek and you slap, you'd likely not go past 7 times before you find you can't lift your hand to slap again, and I sure will be occupying space in your head for days, if not months and years and for the rest of your life, because you will find it hard to stop thinking of the me you slapped 7 times. And yes, I know this because I have always lived by this mantra though the slappers never go past 3. |
Re: How Can The Atheist Me Be Happily Married To My Christian Wife? See My REPLY by lilvicky68(m): 11:23am On Mar 19, 2021 |
budaatum:Me i won't turn the other cheek oh..I no want my face to swell abeg I will just walk away.. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: How Can The Atheist Me Be Happily Married To My Christian Wife? See My REPLY by budaatum: 11:41am On Mar 19, 2021 |
lilvicky68: Trust me, me too. But once, soldiers no gree and just de beat me with gun as I stood there, and once someone just wanted to fight by force. I was young then so only took 3 slaps till I gave him a bloody nose. These days no one wants to slap buda, but if they do I just look at them with one kind eye and they don't at all bother lifting their hand. |
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