Dtruthspeaker:


First it is Clear and Settled that the Raw Materials which was used to manufacture the man is from the earth, hence hu-man which means "humous-man" which means "earth man" which as you have said all the tribes of the earth agree and concede that man is from the 'earth,"

But where your problem lies is in understanding the Second Material Used in making the man which in my opinion is 2 materials which are not earthy but "Unseen Materials which we call spirit, which were Bound as a Single Unit at Creation, which is what we call Soul and I call the Second One, The Holy Spirit of God Himself.which I reasonably deduced from Genesis 2:7, Genesis 6:3 Ezekiel 37:14, John 1:9 and Romans 8:9.

As I have explained to you in the past, by The Laws of Creation, "A Creator Always has Great Power over His Creation and The Creator can do anything which pleaseth Him to Do To and Over His Creation with limitation ONLY to the Intention and Will of The Creator.

Thus, in the case of man, it pleaseth God to Put Himself and Join Himself with the soul of man exactly as man has created his cars and joins his car to power it.

And just like a car, man can remove himself from his car yet the car is Powered.

This same Application is what The Lord has done over us.

Now, like the car still being Powered even after removing yourself from it, you the man still have further power to
1) kill and dispose of it or
2) dispose of it without Killing it or
3) dispose of it in such a manner that it shall be killed.

And after you have done any of these things, does the man the creator of the car not continue with his Life while his car is dead and disposed of?

Same is what The Lord God our Creator can Also Do Unto his creation called the man!

Did you miss the part that says " in our image after our likeness?..

The earth supplied the physical materials while God supplied the spirit...who supplied the soul?

Like i said in my first post, soul = spirit + flesh.
Do you agree? If not where does the soul cone from?

What is jesus saving?..and when did God plan the human sacrifice fiasco?

sonmvayina:


So who was jesus worshipping and praying to?

And saying the father is greater than i...

Was he praying as part of a triune god?

Or trinity is just a pagan concept that the romans smuggled into the bible...

Wake up girl..

And why did Yahshua say this in John 14:9 "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?” Or John 10 “I and the father are one” or the prediction in Isaiah that a virgin will bear a son and call him God with us?

The best answer that I can give you about Yahshua praying and referring to himself in third person or in a father/son manner is that everything that the Messiah did, every word uttered was in fulfillment and meant as an example to us.

budaatum:


Seriously, this is far greater than a laugh. Instead of reading the physical book in front of us and learning how to live productively on earth, we create in our heads a stupid thing called God that we only read about in books then some people will come on here claiming that God spoke to them when they can not even hear nor see the physical beings in front of them.

Just think how absurd it is that we people claim a Jesus who's every teaching was about how to live in peace and fruitfully on earth is offering you eternal life and you might get my point when you begin to imagine how long three score and ten years is especially if you are living them in hell.

Humans are not asking for bread, but for scorpions and serpents instead, and by golly are there thousands to give it them!

This simply means you dont understand the Torah and what it means when it was talking about laws and leaving right.

Like i always say...it is God who created us like this. With the ability and capacity to make choices.

He gave us Mitvahs to help us make good choices so that we can live in peace amobgst our selves..

Find a rabbii to teach you the Torah..it is the most beautiful things i have ever come accross.


Match forward...God will path the sea for you...

McSquishi:


And why did Yahshua say this in John 14:9 "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?” Or John 10 “I and the father are one” or the prediction in Isaiah that a virgin will bear a son and call him God with us?

The best answer that I can give you about Yahshua praying and referring to himself in third person or in a father/son manner is that everything that the Messiah did, every word uttered was in fulfillment and meant as an example to us.

Lol..God already gave us a perfect law to obey and follow in other for us to enjoy our human exoerience. .He never said he will impregnante another mans wife to sire a son. That is an abomination and insult in Gods eyes.

Isaiah was refering to his wife the prophetess. Isaiah had sex with her, she is a wife and mother, she cant be a virgin. .the son is isaiah's son. It was to assure king Ahaz that the two kings plotting against his kingdom will not succeed...read scriptures in context..

sonmvayina:


Lol..God already gave us a perfect law to obey and follow in other for us to enjoy our human exoerience. .He never said he will impregnante another mans wife to sire a son. That is an abomination and insult in Gods eyes.

Isaiah was refering to his wife the prophetess. Isaiah had sex with her, she is a wife and mother, she cant be a virgin. .the son is isaiah's son. It was to assure king Ahaz that the two kings plotting against his kingdom will not succeed...read scriptures in context..

Your claim was that the existence of Yahshua the Messiah is in opposition to Yahweh. I’m showing you how that isn’t true. Everything Yahshua the Messiah did was in fulfillment of scripture and not in opposition to it.
That includes fulfillment of the scripture of a virgin birth.

You say placing life inside of a human is an abomination? According to scripture humans are made from the dust of the Earth. Do you know how man was created? Yahweh took from the virgin Earth and put his life into it to make mankind. Was that an abomination as well? If that was no abomination then why would placing his life inside of an Earthly being be an abomination? Everything is in fulfillment of scripture and only God himself would be able to fulfill his purpose.

If the law were perfect, there would not have been the calamity that occurred in. It did not serve the purpose of discouraging sin nor the purpose of encouraging loyalty and reverence to God.

Jeremiah 31:31 itself referenced a day when there would be a new covenant unlike the one currently written on tables of stone. So if it were perfect why would there need to be another??

sonmvayina:

Did you miss the part that says " in our image after our likeness?..

Mascots Prove this for they are made in the image of man eg Ben 10 Mascots, Captain America etc.

But the Difference between man and mascot
is Very Distinct and Clear!

sonmvayina:

The earth supplied the physical materials while God supplied the spirit...who supplied the soul?

Who else is going to supply the soul? Can the man who is still being manufactured do anything?

No, he can not, So it is God his Creator who has all the materials at His Disposal to finish the manufacturing process of the man.

sonmvayina:

Like i said in my first post, soul = spirit + flesh.
Do you agree? If not where does the soul cone from?

I disagree this is the correct equation (Soul + Holy Spirit) + earth/flesh = "man"

sonmvayina:

What is jesus saving?..and when did God plan the human sacrifice fiasco?

I am not going into this again or now. Let's conclude on this issue first!

budaatum:


You might chose not to believe this, but not once has curses and insults ever felt like blows and slaps and kicks, and I do feel it when I am physically touched, as will you if I physically touch you or you'd come in your pants like an immature little boy when I walk pass in front of your face.

Lol..buda how are you

Dtruthspeaker:


Mascots Prove this for they are made in the image of man eg Ben 10 Mascots, Captain America etc.

But the Difference between man and mascot
is Very Distinct and Clear!



Who else is going to supply the soul? Can the man who is still being manufactured do anything?

No, he can not, So it is God his Creator who has all the materials at His Disposal to finish the manufacturing process of the man.



I disagree this is the correct equation (Soul + Holy Spirit) + earth/flesh = "man"



I am not going into this again or now. Let's conclude on this issue first!

What is death?

But you only need two parents to create a man?..the man provides the spirit and the woman the body...and it grows inside the womans body...that is why geneology is transferred from father to son.

sonmvayina:


This simply means you dont understand the Torah and what it means when it was talking about laws and leaving right.

Like i always say...it is God who created us like this. With the ability and capacity to make choices.

He gave us Mitvahs to help us make good choices so that we can live in peace amobgst our selves..

Find a rabbii to teach you the Torah..it is the most beautiful things i have ever come accross.


Match forward...God will path the sea for you...

By Torah being perfect and beautiful, what do you mean? there are a lot of strange stories and events in those books and some laws are strange like the cutting off of a woman's hand for grabbing a man's thing or the instant death of a man who refused to impregnate his dead brothers' wife, etc.

budaatum:

You might chose not to believe this, but not once has curses and insults ever felt like blows and slaps and kicks....

There in that Statement is the case I am proving and you have just Proven it for me in Admitted The Truth of my Assertion, which is that You Felt It, even if it is not as strong as a blow, slap.or kick as you say you felt.

But provided that you have admitted feeling a non-physical sensation, my case is made!
Thank you for your honesty, that is what this forum is about!

GeneralDae:

By Torah being perfect and beautiful, what do you mean? there are a lot of strange stories and events in those books and some laws are strange like the cutting off of a woman's hand for grabbing a man's thing or the instant death of a man who refused to impregnate his dead brothers' wife, etc.

Lol..do you want me to teach you..they are mythologies. Read the stories and learn the messages they contain..

The case of oran refusing to impregnante his brothers wife is just calling your attention to the dangers of pleasure without responsibility...


The letter killeth, the spirit gives life..

sonmvayina:


What is death?

This is Obviously A New Issue Departing from the Topic of this Thread!

But to put in a Quick One "death" is
1) Whatever A Creator of it calls it
2) Whatever The Creator of it Has created it to Accomplish
3) Whatever that has been created to Harm a creation which a creation is powerless to prevent!
4) Whatever that has been created to De-create or Uncreate a creation bringing about a termination and a discontinuation of the usual and normal living conditions which a creation is accustomed to living.

sonmvayina:

But you only need two parents to create a man?..the man provides the spirit and the woman the body...and it grows inside the womans body...that is why geneology is transferred from father to son.

I have settled this before and it ended up in you insulting me when you could no longer offer a reasonable counter and it is also a departure from this thread!

sonmvayina:


Lol..do you want me to teach you..they are mythologies. Read the stories and learn the messages they contain..

The case of oran refusing to impregnante his brothers wife is just calling your attention to the dangers of pleasure without responsibility...


The letter killeth, the spirit gives life..

so what moral lessons have you learnt from these mythologies and how do you differentiate mythologies from the real stories in the Torah/Tanach?

sonmvayina:

Find a rabbii to teach you the Torah...

I should find a rabbi to teach me how to read?

Sounds like you are asking me to become a sheepie instead of use the brain and mind that God has blessed me with.

sonmvayina:


Lol..do you want me to teach you..they are mythologies. Read the stories and learn the messages they contain..

The case of oran refusing to impregnante his brothers wife is just calling your attention to the dangers of pleasure without responsibility...


The letter killeth, the spirit gives life..

They were not referring to the story of Onan but to a law in Deuteronomy that required a widow to marry her brother-in-law. Deuteronomy 25:5-10

And the one of cutting a hand if a woman is trying to break up a fight and touches a man’s privates is in Deuteronomy 25:11-12

It’s strange that you quote the New Testament yet don’t believe in the Messiah the New Testament speaks about.

“The letter kills, the spirit gives life”. the letter that kills being the law you called “perfect” and the spirit referred to here is the Holy Spirit of the Messiah (who you believe is fake) who lifts the veil over our hearts that is put there by following the law...

GeneralDae:

so what moral lessons have you learnt from these mythologies and how do you differentiate mythologies from the real stories in the Torah/Tanach?

There are none..they are all mythologies...it is the jewish version of the igbo omenani.. Each community have their own customs and traditions. And mythologies...one is not more real than the others...it is the messages that is more important. The stories might varry..

The torah is still about Enki and Enlil..

Dtruthspeaker:


This is Obviously A New Issue Departing from the Topic of this Thread!

But to put in a Quick One "death" is
1) Whatever A Creator of it calls it
2) Whatever The Creator of it Has created it to Accomplish
3) Whatever that has been created to Harm a creation which a creation is powerless to prevent!
4) Whatever that has been created to De-create or Uncreate a creation bringing about a termination and a discontinuation of the usual and normal living conditions which a creation is accustomed to living.



I have settled this before and it ended up in you insulting me when you could no longer offer a reasonable counter and it is also a departure from this thread!

No its not...death is body returning to dust. And spirit back to God who gave it.. .where does the soul comes from and where does it go when a man dies?..

budaatum:


I should find a rabbi to teach me how to read?

Sounds like you are asking me to become a sheepie instead of use the brain and mind that God has blessed me with.

Are you a jew?..so you need one of them to interprete their books for you...

There are different layers of meaning to scriptures..

McSquishi:


They were not referring to the story of Onan but to a law in Deuteronomy that required a widow to marry her brother-in-law. Deuteronomy 25:5-10

And the one of cutting a hand if a woman is trying to break up a fight and touches a man’s privates is in Deuteronomy 25:11-12

It’s strange that you quote the New Testament yet don’t believe in the Messiah the New Testament speaks about.

“The letter kills, the spirit gives life”. the letter that kills being the law you called “perfect” and the spirit referred to here is the Holy Spirit of the Messiah (who you believe is fake) who lifts the veil over our hearts that is put there by following the law...

Does Super man saying that human should give peace a chance means that it is a lie because does not exist?..common, a writer can make his character say anything . it does not mean it is a lie because the character does not exist...

The letter killeth means dont interprete the words of the scripture on face value or literally. There is always a deeper message....that is what gives life..

Dtruthspeaker:


This is Obviously A New Issue Departing from the Topic of this Thread!

But to put in a Quick One "death" is
1) Whatever A Creator of it calls it
2) Whatever The Creator of it Has created it to Accomplish
3) Whatever that has been created to Harm a creation which a creation is powerless to prevent!
4) Whatever that has been created to De-create or Uncreate a creation bringing about a termination and a discontinuation of the usual and normal living conditions which a creation is accustomed to living.



I have settled this before and it ended up in you insulting me when you could no longer offer a reasonable counter and it is also a departure from this thread!

Ok..so what is jesus saving by dying and how does it feature in Gods plan...

And how do you know death means anything to God if he drowned the entire earth, save noah and his family. (Contextually speaking)

sonmvayina:


Are you a jew?..so you need one of them to interprete their books for you...

There are different layers of meaning to scriptures..

I hope you are aware that the Torah exists in English and that numerous Rabbis have provided English commentaries. A wise person would read widely instead of having their brain washed by any particular one, and only an ignorant fool would claim their own particular understanding is the only correct one, considering.

McSquishi:


They were not referring to the story of Onan but to a law in Deuteronomy that required a widow to marry her brother-in-law. Deuteronomy 25:5-10

And the one of cutting a hand if a woman is trying to break up a fight and touches a man’s privates is in Deuteronomy 25:11-12

It’s strange that you quote the New Testament yet don’t believe in the Messiah the New Testament speaks about.

“The letter kills, the spirit gives life”. the letter that kills being the law you called “perfect” and the spirit referred to here is the Holy Spirit of the Messiah (who you believe is fake) who lifts the veil over our hearts that is put there by following the law...

You dont care about Gods laws, you keep what some unknown authors said above the laws of the creator and you want me to obliige you...

Anything that comes from God is perfect..So his laws are perfect..

budaatum:


I hope you are aware that the Torah exists in English and that numerous Rabbis have provided English commentaries. A wise person would read widely instead of having their brain washed by any particular one, and only an ignorant fool would claim their own particular understanding is the only correct one, considering.

Dummy...i never claimed mine is the only correct one..just that the Torah belongs to them and they are the only people that can interprete it..not the romans or greeks. And definately not a Nigerian..

In one of my post, i did say my landlord was a jewish rabbi while i was in london...

So...

sonmvayina:


You dont care about Gods laws, you keep what some unknown authors said above the laws of the creator and you want me to obliige you...

Anything that comes from God is perfect..So his laws are perfect..

Which unknown authors are you referring to?

You’re the one who quoted 2 Corinthians, not me. I just pointed out the hypocrisy of doing so when you are simultaneously calling the entire New Testament in question.

sonmvayina:


Does Super man saying that human should give peace a chance means that it is a lie because does not exist?..common, a writer can make his character say anything . it does not mean it is a lie because the character does not exist...

The letter killeth means dont interprete the words of the scripture on face value or literally. There is always a deeper message....that is what gives life..

You told me not to quote without context and now you’ve quoted without context. Once I gave you context you disregarded it and interpreted the quote for yourself.

That scripture does not refer to not taking the law literally, it is saying living under the law places a veil over hearts and minds. And those laws in Exodus, Deuteronomy, and Leviticus are literal. If you follow them you must follow them exactly. It is deadly not to do so. It is not an interpretive document.

sonmvayina:


Dummy...i never claimed mine is the only correct one..just that the Torah belongs to them and they are the only people that can interprete it..not the romans or greeks. And definately not a Nigerian..

In one of my post, i did say my landlord was a jewish rabbi while i was in london...

So...

You can insult me if that makes you feel good. I simply disagree with you that I need a rabbi to tell me what I can easily read in a book.

All i have been saying is that there was never any need for jesus or the new testament. God created man in his image and likeness , man is God(spirit) dwelling within a physical body made of dust. God is existence itself. God is the totality of the conciouseness of the universe. When we die our conciouseness or spirit returns to the universe and becomes part of it.(one with God). Life is a choice and 100% our responsibility. There is no jew coming from the sky to save or rapture us..

All we need is to obey laws and live in peace within ourselves and our neigbours...a peaceful nigeria and the world is possible if we obey Gods commandments...and God will prosper us.

We have to desist from worshipping a man as God it is idolatry..and one of the sins that God hates most...

Peace to all men.

budaatum:


You can insult me if that makes you feel good. I simply disagree with you that I need a rabbi to tell me what I can easily read in a book.

Happy reading...

sonmvayina:


You dont care about Gods laws, you keep what some unknown authors said above the laws of the creator and you want me to obliige you...

Anything that comes from God is perfect..So his laws are perfect..

I guess your rabbi in London convinced you that God wrote the Torah and not human beings.
Did he convince you that it was perfect to stone adulterers and disobedient children too?

sonmvayina:
All i have been saying is that there was never any need for jesus or the new testament.

But there is need for a rabbi in London?

McSquishi:


You told me not to quote without context and now you’ve quoted without context. Once I gave you context you disregarded it and interpreted the quote for yourself.

That scripture does not refer to not taking the law literally, it is saying living under the law places a veil over hearts and minds. And those laws in Exodus, Deuteronomy, and Leviticus are literal. If you follow them you must follow them exactly. It is deadly not to do so. It is not an interpretive document.

It is not hard to follow...if you actually follow them you will know that worshipping a man as God is tantamount to idolatry and prohibitted by God.

Which do you think is hard?

budaatum:


But there is need for a rabbi in London?

Maalu.....