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Re: Man Is A Spiritual Being Having A Human Experience.. by sonmvayina(m): 3:52pm On Mar 21, 2021 |
budaatum: So what does it mean? |
Re: Man Is A Spiritual Being Having A Human Experience.. by sonmvayina(m): 4:27pm On Mar 21, 2021 |
budaatum: I use to think you have sense, i guess i thought wrong.. In one mouth you talk about love and living in peace. And i said, the laws where meant for that purpose and also for us to have a meaningful and healthy life experience ... In another breath you are talking about drinking blood and eating human flesh.. How do you reconcile paganism and following simple laws.. Nobody sent us to do that... |
Re: Man Is A Spiritual Being Having A Human Experience.. by budaatum: 4:29pm On Mar 21, 2021 |
sonmvayina: And I repeat: budaatum: |
Re: Man Is A Spiritual Being Having A Human Experience.. by sonmvayina(m): 4:32pm On Mar 21, 2021 |
McSquishi: When did God say he needed a man to die for the sins of man? When the jews wheresacrificing their sons to molech, what was his response to them ? Where did you get that from? Animal sacrifice was for unintentional sins. All Godsaidhe wanted was a contrite heart. Confess and forsake, where did you get the human sacrifice thingy? |
Re: Man Is A Spiritual Being Having A Human Experience.. by sonmvayina(m): 4:33pm On Mar 21, 2021 |
budaatum: How did you even go past primary six? |
Re: Man Is A Spiritual Being Having A Human Experience.. by budaatum: 4:33pm On Mar 21, 2021 |
sonmvayina: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word became manifest through Christ living it, so that whosoever learns and understands what he taught in words and in action shall not perish too quickly and may be remembered long after they may have died |
Re: Man Is A Spiritual Being Having A Human Experience.. by sonmvayina(m): 4:34pm On Mar 21, 2021 |
budaatum: Akpakpu.... Ass wipe....what does that mean? |
Re: Man Is A Spiritual Being Having A Human Experience.. by GeneralDae: 4:36pm On Mar 21, 2021 |
budaatum:He is always willing to say parts of the old testament are metaphorical even though some conservative jews today would not agree with him. But he is ready to criticize all parts of the new testament that may also be metaphorical. Isn't this what we call double standards? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Man Is A Spiritual Being Having A Human Experience.. by budaatum: 4:38pm On Mar 21, 2021 |
sonmvayina: Easy. Though, in truth, my primary education stopped at five. You had to do common entrance to advance in my day, and by reading and learning and passing exams, I jumped from primary five to form one and so never had to spend the extra year doing six. Are you one of those I left behind, son? It would explain your bitterness and inability to discuss without the insults. |
Re: Man Is A Spiritual Being Having A Human Experience.. by budaatum: 4:40pm On Mar 21, 2021 |
GeneralDae: I call it ignorance of the highest kind that refuses to see its own stupidity and hypocrisy. |
Re: Man Is A Spiritual Being Having A Human Experience.. by GeneralDae: 4:40pm On Mar 21, 2021 |
sonmvayina:What does it mean for a donkey and snake to talk or for Jonah to stay in the belly of a fish for 3 days? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Man Is A Spiritual Being Having A Human Experience.. by McSquishi(f): 5:14pm On Mar 21, 2021 |
sonmvayina: a human body, made of cursed earth, is not a worthy sacrifice. No physical man is able to redeem because due to Adam we are born in sin. a sacrifice has to be blemish free in order to have the sinner’s sins placed upon it. Yahshua’s body was specially prepared in the same way Adam’s was, making him the only body fit to redeem. One such place in the Old Testament that mentions redemption through such a sacrifice is Isaiah chapter 53. The entire chapter describes someone taking on our sin and redeeming us, bringing us peace through his pain: 4 Surely he took up our pain and bore our suffering, yet we considered him punished by God, stricken by him, and afflicted. 5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed. 6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to our own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all. 10Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the Lord makes his life an [/b]offering for sin, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand. 11 After he has suffered, he will see the light of life and be satisfied So you see, the idea of such a sacrifice is not foreign to the Bible at all. As I first told you, there is nothing Yahshua does that is at odds with the Old Testament. Everything done is in fulfillment of scripture. |
Re: Man Is A Spiritual Being Having A Human Experience.. by McSquishi(f): 5:15pm On Mar 21, 2021 |
sonmvayina: a human body, made of cursed earth, is not a worthy sacrifice. No physical man is able to redeem because due to Adam we are born in sin. a sacrifice has to be blemish free in order to have the sinner’s sins placed upon it. Yahshua’s body was specially prepared in the same way Adam’s was, making him the only body fit to redeem. One such place in the Old Testament that mentions redemption through such a sacrifice is Isaiah chapter 53. The entire chapter describes someone taking on our sin and redeeming us, bringing us peace through his pain: 4 Surely he took up our pain and bore our suffering, yet we considered him punished by God, stricken by him, and afflicted. 5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed. 6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to our own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all. 10Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand. 11 After he has suffered, he will see the light of life and be satisfied So you see, the idea of such a sacrifice is not foreign to the Bible at all. As I first told you, there is nothing Yahshua does that is at odds with the Old Testament. Everything done is in fulfillment of scripture. |
Re: Man Is A Spiritual Being Having A Human Experience.. by sonmvayina(m): 5:59pm On Mar 21, 2021 |
McSquishi: Isaiah 53 is about a suffering servant. Isaiah already told you in chapter 41:6-9 that the servant is israel. So get that. Where did you get the bold from? Or is it just your opinion? Man is God spirit+ dust of the earth. When man dies the spirit returns to God and the body returns to dust.. What needs to be redeemed?? |
Re: Man Is A Spiritual Being Having A Human Experience.. by sonmvayina(m): 6:05pm On Mar 21, 2021 |
GeneralDae: Does a fables...they are stories just like jungle book or Aladin...watch them and learn the message in the story.. Snake symbolises or means "to charm" or beguile... Donkey in the Balaam story. Donkey is a beast of burden. You have to read the whole story to know. Jonah story is about God will coming to pass, nothing can stop it. No matter how man may have strong head.. |
Re: Man Is A Spiritual Being Having A Human Experience.. by budaatum: 6:24pm On Mar 21, 2021 |
sonmvayina: So! You can learn from fables about donkeys and snakes and yet claim fables is prophecy that will come to pass but you can not learn from the fables of Jesus Christ and you want us to be convinced you are using your brain? Try really hard son. Your fable may come to pass if your strong head tries really hard. |
Re: Man Is A Spiritual Being Having A Human Experience.. by GeneralDae: 6:27pm On Mar 21, 2021 |
sonmvayina:Ah sonmvayina, I think you are confused here. Anyway Jesus called himself a bread because the ancestors of the Jews needed bread or manna to survive on their way to the promised land. Jesus already said man shall not live by physical bread alone but by the word of God. So to eat jesus as bread is to understand the word of God spoken by Jesus, while to drink his blood is to accept the new covenant that arose due to his death just like the passover lamb was slain before the ancestors of the jews could be set free. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Man Is A Spiritual Being Having A Human Experience.. by McSquishi(f): 6:33pm On Mar 21, 2021 |
sonmvayina: I didn’t ask you to tell me what the chapter is about. You alleged that there was nothing to be found in the Bible, in the law and prophets, about human’s suffering for the sins of mankind, or human sacrificing themself as a type of offering. i showed you a chapter dedicated to that very thought. You can give context all you want but I told you previously that the Messiah s stated in the New Testament came to fulfill every jot and tittle of the law and prophets. Isaiah chapter 53 is fulfilled by his ministry & death. The part about being an offering for sin is in chapter 53 verse 10 as I noted with the “10” before that sentence. So you don’t believe we have souls? You don’t believe man is threefold spirit/soul/body? Everything that is animated has the spirit of God but not every animated thing has a conscience and consciousness, that is the soul. |
Re: Man Is A Spiritual Being Having A Human Experience.. by sonmvayina(m): 6:57pm On Mar 21, 2021 |
McSquishi: Where does the soul comes from ? |
Re: Man Is A Spiritual Being Having A Human Experience.. by sonmvayina(m): 7:02pm On Mar 21, 2021 |
budaatum: They are not real..jesus did not exist, the might be simething to learn from whst he said. But to call him son of God, and to worship him is idolatry...Death is just a point in life, does not mean anything to God. Whether 1 jesus died or 1000000 , it does not mean anything. No body is coming from the sky to rapture us, tbis life is 100% our responsibility.... Obey Gods laws and life will be smooth and peace will reign on earth. No worshipping of man as God...its idolatry.. |
Re: Man Is A Spiritual Being Having A Human Experience.. by budaatum: 8:00pm On Mar 21, 2021 |
sonmvayina: You clearly missed the word learn. Go on, read my responses again. You might see this time. As for your "exist" as related to Gods in general, buda laughs.
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Re: Man Is A Spiritual Being Having A Human Experience.. by Gentlebuka(m): 8:15pm On Mar 21, 2021 |
sonmvayina: You are not sure about this. Therefore dont say what you don't know 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Man Is A Spiritual Being Having A Human Experience.. by Nobody: 11:22am On Mar 22, 2021 |
sonmvayina: If your landlord had been a Greek Orthodox priest, you would be here claiming that orthodox Christianity and omenani are kin. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Man Is A Spiritual Being Having A Human Experience.. by sonmvayina(m): 4:44pm On Mar 22, 2021 |
Gentlebuka: I am 10000% sure he was created in Nicea by the Greeks/Romans... God is conciouseness, not a man or human being. The gospel stories comes from ancient tales about Marduk. |
Re: Man Is A Spiritual Being Having A Human Experience.. by sonmvayina(m): 5:03pm On Mar 22, 2021 |
True be told, there is really no evidence outside of the gospels that jesus was a historical figure...none.
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Re: Man Is A Spiritual Being Having A Human Experience.. by sonmvayina(m): 5:20pm On Mar 22, 2021 |
My people perish for lack of knowledge..
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Re: Man Is A Spiritual Being Having A Human Experience.. by Gentlebuka(m): 9:18pm On Mar 22, 2021 |
sonmvayina:No yawa. That's your own belief |
Re: Man Is A Spiritual Being Having A Human Experience.. by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:34pm On Mar 22, 2021 |
Buda's laughing style like Jewish IPOB! ![]() budaatum: |
Re: Man Is A Spiritual Being Having A Human Experience.. by GeneralDae: 9:43pm On Mar 22, 2021 |
sonmvayina:Can you help your fellow jesus mythicysts in the thread below? In that thread, no one there seem to be able to back up their conspiracy theories about jesus being created by Romans https://www.nairaland.com/5208931/why-didnt-eurocentrics-write-correct/1 |
Re: Man Is A Spiritual Being Having A Human Experience.. by budaatum: 11:24pm On Mar 22, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: You are ignored because you senselessly intended to provoke instead of resisting evil. |
Re: Man Is A Spiritual Being Having A Human Experience.. by Dtruthspeaker: 11:49am On Mar 23, 2021 |
sonmvayina: That is a lot of work to dig through but you ought to have them in your posts! I"ll check when I can! |
Re: Man Is A Spiritual Being Having A Human Experience.. by sonmvayina(m): 9:26pm On Mar 27, 2021 |
McSquishi: ��Is JESUS//Yeshua/Yahusha the NEW COVENANT foretold in Jeremiah 31?�� Let’s unpack it, shall we?��� �Jeremiah was a prophet whose message was against false piety and insincere worship�. He derided the Jews of his time for failure to trust in G-D. He spoke out against social injustice. This was in a time when many Jews actually were not observing the sabbath, were worshipping other gods, and were giving lip service to the Torah��. Not all, but many. So after chapter upon chapter of threatening the Jews with what will happen if they do not change their ways, Jeremiah 31 is a message of renewal and hope. Let’s look at what he says is going to happen. �� Remember, a chapter is an idea, a description of a series of close-knit events, all taking place at a given time. Not thousands of years apart, but within a few years or months of one another. In Jeremiah 31, G-D says He loves Israel with an everlasting love - in other words��, He has not and will not ever stop loving Israel or abandon them��. They're all going to go up to the mountain and proclaim G-D to the nations. (has this happened yet? The everlasting love has. Have they all gone up to the mountain to proclaim G-D to the nations? Perhaps, if it is meant metaphorically.) And then G-D says He will bring them from where they have been scattered - from the north country, the other parts of the world, sick and lame, old and young, etc. Did this happen when Jesus/Yeshua/Yahusha was alive or died ![]() ![]() Jeremiah goes on to say that G-D will RANSOM Israel - this is the “salvation” that Christians and Messianics always point to��, but in Hebrew, and all throughout the Tanakh, ransom/salvation means literally to physically pull us out of danger. The jews will be ransomed from EXILE. Did G-D or Jesus/Yeshua/Yahusha ransom them from exile in the first century?��No. The Romans exiled the Jewish people in the first century.���� What will happen when they are ransomed? The language of Jeremiah is gorgeous�: “And they shall come and sing in the height of Zion, and shall flow unto the goodness of the L-RD, to the corn, and to the wine, and to the oil, and to the young of the flock and of the herd; and their soul shall be as a watered garden, and they shall not pine any more at all.” (Did this happen in the first century?�� No. They wept as they were exiled, some sold into slavery, by Rome�). And what else will happen? People will sing, and dance��♀️, turning grieving into joy�♀️, and the priests will be “satiated with fatness”, meaning the sacrificial system will be resumed, and they will have a lot to do and to eat. Did this happen in the first century?��� No, it did not. Within decades of Jesus/Yeshua/Yahusha’s death, the temple and the sacrificial system were destroyed, and people starved.���� So G-D says look, the time is coming when all bad things will turn good��. I will watch over my people��, and I will regenerate them��. AND, and this is important, at this time, everyone will be responsible for their own sins ���������. Children will not suffer because of their parents’ sins����, but everyone will bear his or her own���. Wait, WHAT? But don’t Christians say that Jesus/Yeshua/Yahusha takes on everyone’s sins and bears them for us?��� Then this passage cannot be about Jesus/Yeshua/Yahusha �♀️��♂️. Simply cannot. God. Does. Not. Lie.��♀️ Now we get to the new covenant. G-D is going to make a new covenant, a covenant like the old one except for its format. Now it is going to become ingrained in their hearts ❤️���. What is He talking about? Remember above, I told you what Jeremiah’s mission was�♀️. To warn the People of Israel about their false worship, their giving lip service only to the Torah��. Well NOW, they will take on the Torah as more than a document. They will know it, study it, live it. Sincerely and honestly. Ok, that’s not Jesus?Yahusha/Yeshua�♀️��♂️�♀️��♂️. The new covenant is definitely NOT Jesus/Yeshua/Yahusha���♀. And there’s more: Because what G-D says at this point is that once the NEW COVENANT is in place, and they are living, breathing, loving the Torah, following the commandments, THEN HE IS GOING TO FORGIVE THEIR SINS AND THEIR SINS WILL BE NO MORE. So once a person repents and assumes responsibility for the commandments, G-D forgives him. Each of us. Responsible for ourselves. No Jesus���♀. No requirement of faith, but of action. The action of living the Torah�. So we’ve established the following: None of the events in Jeremiah 31 relating to the coming of the New Covenant happened in Jesus/Yahusha/Yeshua's time or in the decades thereafter. Chapter 31 is not about Jesus/Yahusha/Yeshua.���♀���♀ In the New Covenant, the nation of Israel will return to G-D with sincerity and follow Torah�♀️. We will each be responsible for our own actions�. And when we return to Eloh-m, He will forgive our sins�������. That is true. It has always been true. There is no requirement of faith in anyone in order for this to happen. The requirement is of action�, of changing behavior�. Not believing in Jesus, not accepting any messiah. But of changing the way we live.� (Special thanks to Sara Finegan for her orig awaking post��) |
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