Kobojunkie:
Now you made that second one up! Where in all I have said so far did you get the second one from?

I think I have more than made it clear that I am not of the "The Bible is Holy" crowd. I receive all my guidance from the Word of God, not from what you call scripture and I am certainly not limited to what you call scripture either.

Can two walk together except they agree?

The whole Scripture has made my life profitable both to myself and to others!

shadeyinka:

Okay
1. Marry an atheist!
2. Submit to his rule
3. Don't complain when
a. Any of your children become an atheist
b. Satan visits your home

Are you okay now?

It has nothing to do with me. I don't share your fears there!

Just don't broadcast your issues as if they have anything to do with God and the things of God, is what.

shadeyinka:
Can two walk together except they agree?

In the real world, yes!

shadeyinka:
The whole Scripture has made my life profitable both to myself and to others!

The Pharisees also made the same claims but we know what Jesus Christ said of them and their beliefs.

Kobojunkie:
It has nothing to do with me. I don't share your fears there!

Just don't broadcast your issues as if they have anything to do with God and the things of God, is what.

I am sure that Jesus didn't command anyone of us to get higher education.
Jesus didn't speak on Hygiene
Jesus didn't speak on drug use

Therefore, since He hasn't said anything concerning them, there shouldn't be rules for and against them.

Kobojunkie:
It has nothing to do with me. I don't share your fears there!

Just don't broadcast your issues as if they have anything to do with God and the things of God, is what.

Okay
1. ALL true Christian women are encouraged to Marry atheists!
2. Submit to his rule
3. Don't complain when
a. Any of your children become an atheist
b. Satan visits your home

Are you okay now?

Sheunma:
Interesting conversation going on here. From all that's been said, something jumps at me:

Former atheists, like Buda and Kobo, who are now "christians" seem to have a different, somewhat philosophical interpretation of the scriptures from "mainstream" christians, like Shade.

The majority of christians, including members of JW like Max, would find the position of Shade and Max agreeable- No "true christian"( whatever that means) would marry an atheist. I might be wrong but it takes a christian who has passed through the eye of athiesm or at least agnosicm to even entertain the thought.

So my quandary remains why is former athiests idea of christianity different from other christians?

Anyone?

How/why did the former atheists become Christians?

shadeyinka:

I am sure that Jesus didn't command anyone of us to get higher education.
Jesus didn't speak on Hygiene
Jesus didn't speak on drug use

Therefore, since He hasn't said anything concerning them, there shouldn't be rules for and against them.

He left all that up to the individuals to decide of their own. Your decisions however should not be presented in the view of God since God said nothing of it or else you become guilty of propagating doctrines and traditions of men, lies, in the name of God, which Jesus Christ commanded you against doing.

Kobojunkie:
In the real world, yes!
The Pharisees also made the same claims but we know what Jesus Christ said of them and their beliefs.

Then by their FRUIT ye shall know them. This is the conclusion!

shadeyinka:
Then by their FRUIT ye shall know them. This is the conclusion!

What fruit? The fruit of that which is of this world?

Kobojunkie:
He left all that up to the individuals to decide of their own. Your decisions however should not be presented in the view of God since God said nothing of it or else you become guilty of propagating doctrines and traditions of men, lies, in the name of God, which Jesus Christ commanded you against doing.

It's a free world.

Such a person who takes liberty in taking hard drugs will reap what he has sowed. A person who despises Hygiene will also reap what he has shown.

Let each one sow according to wisdom for in due time, they will reap what they have planted

shadeyinka:
It's a free world.
Such a person who takes liberty in taking hard drugs will reap what he has sowed. A person who despises Hygiene will also reap what he has shown.
Let each one sow according to wisdom for in due time, they will reap what they have planted

Well, Jesus Christ no send you go monitor wetin others dey "sow" for their own backyard though.

Una doe!

I take a bow at page five.

shadeyinka:

The Scripture is very clear on this. If a Believing wife finds herself married to an atheist for instance.
1. She should not seek for divorce
2. She must obey him as unto Christ except she is commanded to commit a sin against God.
3. The only reason for divorce is if the Atheist cannot go on with the marriage.

1Cor 7:12-13:
"But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother has a wife that believes not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. And the woman which has an husband that believes not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him."

But here you are talking about how there can't be peace because the atheist has a different set of principles. You even said you blame the woman. What kind of talk is that? What is wrong in living in peace with someone who doesn't share your beliefs? Why must you bring your toxic fanaticism into it?

Kobojunkie:
What fruit? The fruit of that which is of this world?

Mat 7:16:
"You shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?"

Kobojunkie:
Well, Jesus Christ no send you go monitor wetin others dey "sow" for their own backyard though.

It's not my job

shadeyinka:

Mat 7:16:
"You shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?"

When correctly considered in context, that verse there is a warning against false prophets.

Matthew 7 vs 15- 23(ERV)
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15. “Be careful of false prophets. They come to you and look gentle like sheep. But they are really dangerous like wolves.
16. You will know these people because of what they do. Good things don’t come from people who are bad, just as grapes don’t come from thornbushes, and figs don’t come from thorny weeds.
17. In the same way, every good tree produces good fruit, and bad trees produce bad fruit.
18. A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot produce good fruit.
19. Every tree that does not produce good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20. You will know these false people by what they do.[a]

21. “Not everyone who calls me Lord will enter God’s kingdom. The only people who will enter are those who do what my Father in heaven wants.
22. On that last Day many will call me Lord. They will say, ‘Lord, Lord, by the power of your name we spoke for God. And by your name we forced out demons and did many miracles.’
23. Then I will tell those people clearly, ‘Get away from me, you people who do wrong. I never knew you.’

... whose fruits are nothing but lies and unrighteousness.

Mark 7 vs 1-13 (ERV)
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1. Now when the Pharisees gathered to him, with some of the scribes who had come from Jerusalem,
2. they saw that some of his disciples ate with hands that were defiled, that is, unwashed.
3. (For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they wash their hands properly,[a] holding to the tradition of the elders,
4. and when they come from the marketplace, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other traditions that they observe, such as the washing of cups and pots and copper vessels and dining couches.[c])
[b] 5. And the Pharisees and the scribes asked him, “Why do your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat with defiled hands?”
6. And he said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written,
“‘This people honors me with their lips,
but their heart is far from me;
7. in vain do they worship me,
teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’

8. You leave the commandment of God and hold to the (doctrines and rules)** tradition of men.”
9. And he said to them, “You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to establish your tradition!
10. For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.’
11. But you say, ‘If a man tells his father or his mother, “Whatever you would have gained from me is Corban”’ (that is, given to God)[d]—
12. then you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or mother,
13. thus making void the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And many such things you do.”

_{** substituted from another Bible translation for better understanding of what is impacted}
Jesus Christ warned against adopting their doctrines and traditions too as they lead to lies and unrighteousness - nullifying of the Power of God rendering worship meaningless to God

LordReed:


But here you are talking about how there can't be peace because the atheist has a different set of principles. You even said you blame the woman. What kind of talk is that? What is wrong in living in peace with someone who doesn't share your beliefs? Why must you bring your toxic fanaticism into it?

I've not said anything different.

A true Christian who chooses to marry an atheist is a big fat fool as she thinks she's above the level of humanity.
What happens if she dies after giving birth to three children for her husband?. What is the probability that the children will know God. ?

It's like a pastor who allows a woman to touch him inappropriately in the name of spirituality. Such a pastor is a big fat fool.

Kobojunkie:
When correctly considered in context, that verse there is a warning against false prophets.
... whose fruits are nothing but lies and unrighteousness.

_{** substituted from another Bible translation for better understanding of what is impacted}
Jesus Christ warned against adopting their doctrines and traditions too as they lead to lies and unrighteousness - nullifying of the Power of God rendering worship meaningless to God

Both of us are like Prophets: by our fruit, we are known.

shadeyinka:
Both of us are like the Prophets: by our fruit, we are known.

Sure!

shadeyinka:

I've not said anything different.

A true Christian who chooses to marry an atheist is a big fat fool as she thinks she's above the level of humanity.
What happens if she dies after giving birth to three children for her husband?. What is the probability that the children will know God. ?

It's like a pastor who allows a woman to touch him inappropriately in the name of spirituality. Such a pastor is a big fat fool.

You already quoted bible verses which made it clear that a believer who is married to an unbeliever should try as much as possible to tolerate and live in harmony with their spouse.

But no, you wouldn't have any of it and have taken sadistic delight in trying to upset the op by continually using all sorts of abusive names to belittle the wife.


are you a true Christian yourself? From your replies it's difficult to see you as one

What happens if he converts to christianity tomorrow and even end up as a pastor?

How would you then describe the wife?

One of my friends who is late now, was an atheist before he got married. But he ended up as a pastor through the influence of the wife.

His case is not unique. Look around and you will find the same .

Maybe you are God and case see till the end of time

triplechoice:

are you a true Christian yourself? From your replies it's difficult to see you as one.

By his fruits you do know him.

budaatum:


By his fruits you do know him.

I doubt if he is married. What kind of woman would tolerate such an abusive character

triplechoice:




You already quoted bible verses which made it clear that a believer who is married to an unbeliever should try as much as possible to tolerate and live in harmony with their spouse.

But no, you wouldn't have any of it and have taken sadistic delight in trying to upset the op by continually using all sorts of abusive names to belittle the wife.


are you a true Christian yourself? From your replies it's difficult to see you as one

What happens if he converts to christianity tomorrow and even end up as a pastor?

How would you then describe the wife?

One of my friends who is late now, was an atheist before he got married. But he ended up as a pastor through the influence of the wife.

His case is not unique. Look around and you will find the same .

Maybe you are God and case see till the end of time

I think you should have answered the question:

What happens if she (Christian wife) dies after giving birth to three children for her husband?. What is the probability that the children will know God. ?

Is this an impossible situation?

We have seen the dissaster wh

triplechoice:


I doubt if he is married. What kind of woman would tolerate such an abusive character

An abusive self-righteous non-reflecting character who claims to have Christ in his life but is deaf and blind to all things Christ.

shadeyinka:

I think you should have answered the question:

What happens if she (Christian wife) dies after giving birth to three children for her husband?. What is the probability that the children will know God. ?

Is this an impossible situation?

You fail to see that that her atheist husband knows God more than you do!

shadeyinka:

I think you should have answered the question:

What happens if she (Christian wife) dies after giving birth to three children for her husband?. What is the probability that the children will know God. ?

Is this an impossible situation?

Your question is not well thought out . If you knew that not every Christian today is from a Christian home, then you wouldn't have asked it in the first place.

My father was an atheist while my mum a Christian. But today all my siblings excepting me are Christians .

You're just telescoping into the future and seeing things that may not happen.

Why is it difficult to see that he can become a Christian tomorrow? or have you not seen an atheist who later became a Christian.

Why the negative imagining?

budaatum:


You fail to see that that her atheist husband knows God more than you do!

I see!
One who disbelieves in God knows God!??

What a contradiction!

shadeyinka:

I see!
One who disbelieves in God knows God!??

What a contradiction!

Perhaps I better let Christ inform you of the orangutan, again, because you continue to fail to understand how unbelieving the pagan samaritan was.

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triplechoice:


Your question is not well thought out . If you knew that not every Christian today is from a Christian home, then you wouldn't have asked it in the first place.

My father was an atheist while my mum a Christian. But today all my siblings excepting me are Christians .

You're just telescoping into the future and seeing things that may not happen.

Why is it difficult to see that he can become a Christian tomorrow? or have you not seen an atheist who later became a Christian.

Why the negative imagining?

The fact that you are an atheist is a direct consequence of the action of your mum.

You seem not to understand may take on this:
1. A woman who is already married to an atheist should not seek divorce. She should make the best out of her situation.
2. Such a Christian woman must obey her husband as unto Christ
3. A single Christian should not marry an atheist because not human being has the power to convert any man AND you cannot stop the Atheist husband having a negative spiritual influence over your children. It is not impossible that the woman herself stopped believing in God.

Numbers 1 and 2 is Scripturally based. Number 3 is common sense. A needless risk to bear!

My dear triplechoice, you are a good example of why the common sense in three is real

budaatum:


Perhaps I better let Christ inform you of the orangutan, again, because you continue to fail to understand how unbelieving the pagan samaritan was.

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Loving my neighbor as myself is not the same as marrying an atheist.

I can have an atheist friend
I can have an atheist business partner
I can have an atheist tenant

But I CANNOT marry an atheist!
QED!

shadeyinka:

The fact that you are an atheist is a direct consequence of the action of your mum.

You seem not to understand may take on this:
1. A woman who is already married to an atheist should not seek divorce. She should make the best out of her situation.
2. Such a Christian woman must obey her husband as unto Christ
3. A single Christian should not marry an atheist because not human being has the power to convert any man AND you cannot stop the Atheist husband having a negative spiritual influence over your children. It is not impossible that the woman herself stopped believing in God.

Numbers 1 and 2 is Scripturally based. Number 3 is common sense. A needless risk to bear!

My dear triplechoice, you are a good example of why the common sense in three is real

Clarification : Jesus Christ never taught that His folowers, even the female ones, bow to/obey any man/woman as they would their one and only Master. Jesus Christ.

shadeyinka:

Loving my neighbor as myself is not the same as marrying an atheist.

I can have an atheist friend
I can have an atheist business partner
I can have an atheist tenant

But I CANNOT marry an atheist!
QED!

I don't think an atheist would marry you and any follower of Christ who does would be led astray by you. But I'll let others come tell you about your fruits instead of letting you waste my precious time.