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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by budaatum: 1:41am On Mar 22, 2021
TEODIN:

Lol.. Bro, me and you disagree for many things ooo.. I believe a little bit of social welfare is good for Society e.g The Police is social welfare in terms of security for the general population or do you think Policing is bad? I am more of 60% Capitalism 40% Socialism
2) I don’t see anything wrong with Abortion, If a Mother feels she doesn’t have what it takes to bring forth life and take care of that life properly, it’s better to Abort till whenever she is ready.
3) Climate Change is not baseless and Unfounded, that’s like arguing that the world is Flat

The earth is flat! angry angry

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by budaatum: 1:47am On Mar 22, 2021
edi287:

Disagree with your second point. Abortion should only take place in cases of rape, incest, and when it brings harm to the mother.
Agree with your other points.

I will abort whenever I want to, thank you very much. And even if you pass laws, you don't get to control what grows in my womb nor would you burn in hell for me! angry angry angry

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by edi287: 5:34am On Mar 22, 2021
budaatum:


I will abort whenever I want to, thank you very much. And even if you pass laws, you don't get to control what grows in my womb nor would you burn in hell for me! angry angry angry

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You don't want kids - don't make them. Better yet, take precautions to prevent it happening.
Anything after 8-10 weeks is murder. Simple.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by pompeiimagnus: 6:35am On Mar 22, 2021
edi287:

You don't want kids - don't make them. Better yet, take precautions to prevent it happening.
Anything after 8-10 weeks is murder. Simple.

You are very right, both morally and biologically. I support planned parenthood, but on issues like abortion, I believe that a foetus has the right to life once it's past 4 weeks. 4 to 6 weeks is sufficient time for both parents to reach a mutual decision.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by budaatum: 6:36am On Mar 22, 2021
edi287:

You don't want kids - don't make them. Better yet, take precautions to prevent it happening.
Anything after 8-10 weeks is murder. Simple.

Shoot me!

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by obixcel(m): 8:40am On Mar 22, 2021
Funny and ironic that journalists are been restricted from gaining access to the Migrant holding facilities (a.k.a Kids in cages). What are they hiding? Where is the so-called transparency?
How can a nation be in "the midst of a global pandemic" and still open its borders to thousands of migrants, with the economy yet on full steam and businesses closed for the most part? grin How does it make any sense? The liberal dummies will see no problem with this, of course.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by PrideofLincoln1(m): 10:12am On Mar 22, 2021
obixcel:
Funny and ironic that journalists are been restricted from gaining access to the Migrant holding facilities (a.k.a Kids in cages). What are they hiding? Where is the so-called transparency?
How can a nation be in "the midst of a global pandemic" and still open its borders to thousands of migrants, with the economy yet on full steam and businesses closed for the most part? grin How does it make any sense? The liberal dummies will see no problem with this, of course.
Mr Shorty, if you find yourself in the Fruited Plains tomorrow, I can guarantee you that in few months when your Visa expires, you will be an illegal immigrant. How are you so pained about a country you have no stake in. I bet you that those at the border trying to cross over to the US have a better life in Mexico than you have in Umudike. Let the system deal with them . Unlike the vile unrepentant racist Trump, at least President Biden is not putting them and their children in cages.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by PrideofLincoln1(m): 10:20am On Mar 22, 2021
pompeiimagnus:


You are very right, both morally and biologically. I support planned parenthood, but on issues like abortion, I believe that a foetus has the right to life once it's past 4 weeks. 4 to 6 weeks is sufficient time for both parents to reach a mutual decision.
Personally I am against abortion except in the case of incest, rape or when it could cost the death of the pregnant lady. That comes from my Parochial education coming from Jesuits Schools my siblings and I attended. Where I disagree with you is that being a Progressive, I will not impose my will on a lady to do what she wants with her life. I pray that none of my daughters will have one but if any of them decides to, it's not my choice to impose my beliefs on her. Saying that to say that abortion is a personal choice because this is a very controversial issue in America. If the Government stops legal abortion, the issue will become State Rights issues and for the Red States that will ban all abortions no matter the circumstance, it will lead to back alley abortions that claimed many lives in the 40s, 50s, and 60s before SCOTUS steps in.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by Timiofak(m): 10:21am On Mar 22, 2021
obixcel:
Funny and ironic that journalists are been restricted from gaining access to the Migrant holding facilities (a.k.a Kids in cages). What are they hiding? Where is the so-called transparency?
How can a nation be in "the midst of a global pandemic" and still open its borders to thousands of migrants, with the economy yet on full steam and businesses closed for the most part? grin How does it make any sense? The liberal dummies will see no problem with this, of course.

https://twitter.com/mehdihasanshow/status/1373804770708819971?s=21


Watch this.

Maybe it would be able to open up your head a little.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by Timiofak(m): 10:23am On Mar 22, 2021
PrideofLincoln1:
Personally I am against abortion except in the case of incest, rape or when it could cost the death of the pregnant lady. That comes from my Parochial education coming from Jesuits Schools my siblings and I attended. Where I disagree with you is that being a Progressive, I will not impose my will on a lady to do what she wants with her life. I pray that none of my daughters will have one but if any of them decides to, it's not my choice to impose my beliefs on her. Saying that to say that abortion is a personal choice because this is a very controversial issue in America. If the Government stops legal abortion, the issue will become State Rights issues and for the Red States that will ban all abortions no matter the circumstance, it will lead to back alley abortions that claimed many lives in the 40s, 50s, and 60s before SCOTUS steps in.


Exactly!!!

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by PrideofLincoln1(m): 10:35am On Mar 22, 2021
Timiofak:


https://twitter.com/mehdihasanshow/status/1373804770708819971?s=21


Watch this.

Maybe it would be able to open up your head a little.
That loser has been in pain since his lord and savior Trump loses. He thought Trump was going to give him Biafra and Trump never mentioned Biafra in his four years in office not even when he met Buhari at the White House. That big mouth Obixcel never got a Visa under Trump despite trying couple of times but his chances are much better now under President Biden.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by salford1: 2:11pm On Mar 22, 2021
edi287:

You don't want kids - don't make them. Better yet, take precautions to prevent it happening.
Anything after 8-10 weeks is murder. Simple.
I am sure you are aware that no contraceptive is 100% accurate except abstinence. I am guessing you are not yet married.

However, I do support that it's better a pregnancy is terminated before the foetus has an heartbeat.

I also agree with you that it's better to let go if it's a pregnancy that has the possibility of taking the life of the expectant mother. Sometimes, this is not often seen on an ultra sound till much later. Women's health is very complex. Any doctor, especially Obstetrics and gynecology physicians would tell us that. With the terrible healthcare services in Nigeria, the Maternal Mortality Ratio (MMR) of Nigeria is 814 (per 100,000 live births), in contrast to the lifetime risk in developed countries estimated at 1 in 4900, so in a developing country like Nigeria, the situation is even worse. While all these are not related to pregnancy that should not have been kept, it also probably has a good percentage in that ratio.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by salford1: 2:20pm On Mar 22, 2021
PrideofLincoln1:
Personally I am against abortion except in the case of incest, rape or when it could cost the death of the pregnant lady. That comes from my Parochial education coming from Jesuits Schools my siblings and I attended. Where I disagree with you is that being a Progressive, I will not impose my will on a lady to do what she wants with her life. I pray that none of my daughters will have one but if any of them decides to, it's not my choice to impose my beliefs on her. Saying that to say that abortion is a personal choice because this is a very controversial issue in America. If the Government stops legal abortion, the issue will become State Rights issues and for the Red States that will ban all abortions no matter the circumstance, it will lead to back alley abortions that claimed many lives in the 40s, 50s, and 60s before SCOTUS steps in.
100%.
There are somethings that can't be stopped in this world. Same argument is being used for prostitution in developed countries where it is legal vs developed countries where it is ilegal.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by raumdeuter: 2:26pm On Mar 22, 2021
edi287:

You don't want kids - don't make them. Better yet, take precautions to prevent it happening.
Anything after 8-10 weeks is murder. Simple.

I support abortion as long as the mother does not want to carry the baby. Even if its 100weeks.

pompeiimagnus:

You are very right, both morally and biologically. I support planned parenthood, but on issues like abortion, I believe that a foetus has the right to life once it's past 4 weeks. 4 to 6 weeks is sufficient time for both parents to reach a mutual decision.

Carrying a baby has physical and psychological dimensions to it, If the mother thinks she cannot carry it at any time, she should be free to abort
Child bearing and rearing is hard enough, You have to be 100% on board for it. IMO

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by Cousin9999: 2:53pm On Mar 22, 2021
obixcel:
Funny and ironic that journalists are been restricted from gaining access to the Migrant holding facilities (a.k.a Kids in cages). What are they hiding? Where is the so-called transparency?
How can a nation be in "the midst of a global pandemic" and still open its borders to thousands of migrants, with the economy yet on full steam and businesses closed for the most part? grin How does it make any sense? The liberal dummies will see no problem with this, of course.

It doesn't make sense. But the good news is America is pulling manufacturing out of Asia and expanding in Mexico. That should help get rid of Mexicans and others. They're also expanding in India, so that should get rid of Indians too.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by budaatum: 2:58pm On Mar 22, 2021
PrideofLincoln1:
Personally I am against abortion except in the case of incest, rape or when it could cost the death of the pregnant lady. That comes from my Parochial education coming from Jesuits Schools my siblings and I attended. Where I disagree with you is that being a Progressive, I will not impose my will on a lady to do what she wants with her life. I pray that none of my daughters will have one but if any of them decides to, it's not my choice to impose my beliefs on her. Saying that to say that abortion is a personal choice because this is a very controversial issue in America. If the Government stops legal abortion, the issue will become State Rights issues and for the Red States that will ban all abortions no matter the circumstance, it will lead to back alley abortions that claimed many lives in the 40s, 50s, and 60s before SCOTUS steps in.

Thank you for knowing I have control over my womb and for making it known that it is I who will burn in hell if I sin, though I do intend to plead mitigating circumstances when I stand before my ever so forgiving and compassionate Gods.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by budaatum: 3:03pm On Mar 22, 2021
Timiofak:


https://twitter.com/mehdihasanshow/status/1373804770708819971?s=21


Watch this.

Maybe it would be able to open up your head a little.
Hear the liar:

"I just got off the phone with CBP Chiefs".

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by PrideofLincoln1(m): 4:04pm On Mar 22, 2021
salford1:

100%.
There are somethings that can't be stopped in this world. Same argument is being used for prostitution in developed countries where it is legal vs developed countries where it is ilegal.
They have Red Light Districts in Amsterdam the same way they have it in many Asian, European countries and even in Cities like Las Vegas, Reno and few other cities in America. What they have in common is open prostitution. It's only Republicans who likes to tell people how to live their lives. Abortion, homosexuality, cross dressing and other things like that do not bother me as long as it's not criminally intended to harm me. To each his or her own. That's what makes America great.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by salford1: 4:30pm On Mar 22, 2021
PrideofLincoln1:
They have Red Light Districts in Amsterdam the same way they have it in many Asian, European countries and even in Cities like Las Vegas, Reno and few other cities in America. What they have in common is open prostitution. It's only Republicans who likes to tell people how to live their lives. Abortion, homosexuality, cross dressing and other things like that do not bother me as long as it's not criminally intended to harm me. To each his or her own. That's what makes America great.
When they are in the open, they have a lesser chance of being assaulted, harrased, killed, or controlled by love-vendor unlike when they go underground.

In Canada, the law is messed up in a way. Advocates are still pushing the government for complete legalization. At the moment, a woman is free to advertise prostitution, but it is a criminal offense to patronize a prostitute, massage parlours offering such services, escorts or whatever name they go by. Often times, the police would go after the Johns (customers). Even to the extent of setting up sting operations by acting like a woman on classified sites offering sexual services for cash or favours. When the John shows up, the police pounces on him. This has somewhat enabled the prostitute to go underground to protect their customers. Crazy world we live in.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by pompeiimagnus: 4:51pm On Mar 22, 2021
raumdeuter:


I support abortion as long as the mother does not want to carry the baby. Even if its 100weeks.
Carrying a baby has physical and psychological dimensions to it, If the mother thinks she cannot carry it at any time, she should be free to abort
Child bearing and rearing is hard enough, You have to be 100% on board for it. IMO

Of course, the final decision should always rest with the mother since the foetus depends on her lungs for oxygen to live. However, doesn't the foetus have any say in its own life since it is technically a human being too? Most decisions we have taken in this life were not always made at 100% certainty. Therefore, I cannot just decide to end a life simply because I am not 100% on board with it.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by PrideofLincoln1(m): 5:02pm On Mar 22, 2021
salford1:

When they are in the open, they have a lesser chance of being assaulted, harrased, killed, or controlled by love-vendor unlike when they go underground.

In Canada, the law is messed up in a way. Advocates are still pushing the government for complete legalization. At the moment, a woman is free to advertise prostitution, but it is a criminal offense to patronize a prostitute, massage parlours offering such services, escorts or whatever name they go by. Often times, the police would go after the Johns (customers). Even to the extent of setting up sting operations by acting like a woman on classified sites offering sexual services for cash or favours. When the John shows up, the police pounces on him. This has somewhat enabled the prostitute to go underground to protect their customers. Crazy world we live in.
Exactly the reason why I believe in personal liberty. People that wants to restrict other people's liberty will have something in their lives other people can find loathsome too. That's why I do not enforce my disdain of abortion on others. I happen to be a Progressive who believes firmly in the 2nd Amendment Rights and that's kind of an aberration to many Progressives. I sincerely believe that every single person has the right to defend himself or herself and that's why I defer with a lot of anti 2nd Amendment Rights Democrats. I love packing whenever I step outside my house for safety reasons.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by pompeiimagnus: 5:06pm On Mar 22, 2021
PrideofLincoln1:


Personally I am against abortion except in the case of incest, rape or when it could cost the death of the pregnant lady. That comes from my Parochial education coming from Jesuits Schools my siblings and I attended. Where I disagree with you is that being a Progressive, I will not impose my will on a lady to do what she wants with her life. I pray that none of my daughters will have one but if any of them decides to, it's not my choice to impose my beliefs on her. Saying that to say that abortion is a personal choice because this is a very controversial issue in America. If the Government stops legal abortion, the issue will become State Rights issues and for the Red States that will ban all abortions no matter the circumstance, it will lead to back alley abortions that claimed many lives in the 40s, 50s, and 60s before SCOTUS steps in.

In my opinion, abortion must remain legal and protected by the law, but should always be regulated. The foetus also has an equal right to life, especially as the pregnancy advances beyond the first trimester. In this life, there are always consequences for every action we take. When this happens, we own up and take responsibility.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by raumdeuter: 5:13pm On Mar 22, 2021
pompeiimagnus:


Of course, the final decision should always rest with the mother since the foetus depends on her lungs for oxygen to live. However, doesn't the foetus have any say in its own life since it is technically a human being too? Most decisions we have taken in this life were not always made at 100% certainty. Therefore, I cannot just decide to end a life simply because I am not 100% on board with it.

The thing for me is that the woman's life and wellbeing takes a priority. And only she can decide it to have it or not. She will be the one to deal with the pregnancy, body changes and even post-birth care of the child, if she is not up to it, then she shouldn't be mandated to do it

If we have 2 people having sex but one person carrying it while the other can walk away then priority has to be given to the carrier of the pregnancy.
A man can impregnate and walk away, A woman's life is tied for 9months and possibly many yrs after that. If her life is going to be that impacted, then she has to be on board with it 100% not having someone who wont get affected make it mandatory for her to do it

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by budaatum: 5:15pm On Mar 22, 2021
pompeiimagnus:


Of course, the final decision should always rest with the mother since the foetus depends on her lungs for oxygen to live. However, doesn't the foetus have any say in its own life since it is technically a human being too? Most decisions we have taken in this life were not always made at 100% certainty. Therefore, I cannot just decide to end a life simply because I am not 100% on board with it.
What do you mean by "technically a human being too"? Why don't you remove it from my body and ask it then? In fact, don't remove it yet. Let us ask for its say while it is in my body. I promise to abide by it's say, I swear to God and my life.

Do note. I am not asking you to end a life by aborting because I have complete respect for you and your sanctity over what you do with your body. I am simply asking that you recognise my sanctity over my own body even if you find it difficult to respect me.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by PrideofLincoln1(m): 5:20pm On Mar 22, 2021
pompeiimagnus:


In my opinion, abortion must remain legal and protected by the law, but should always be regulated. The foetus also has an equal right to life, especially as the pregnancy advances beyond the first trimester. In this life, there are always consequences for every action we take. When this happens, we own up and take responsibility.
I have no problem with that. Personally I am against abortion. I disagree with Republicans because they want to force people to have the kids no matter the circumstance of the pregnancy. Some pregnancy came out of incest, rape and God knows what. I believe that a lady should decide if she wants the baby or not. That's my libertarian stand on that.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by armyofone(m): 6:02pm On Mar 22, 2021
You want them to come get misinformation right ? I don't think the admn opened the bother for them to come in. They just have a way to sneak in. Anyway, they are being caught.
Btw, you don't feel all that for them. Leave the admn to process and send them back to their parents to go back home.

obixcel:
Funny and ironic that journalists are been restricted from gaining access to the Migrant holding facilities (a.k.a Kids in cages). What are they hiding? Where is the so-called transparency?
How can a nation be in "the midst of a global pandemic" and still open its borders to thousands of migrants, with the economy yet on full steam and businesses closed for the most part? grin How does it make any sense? The liberal dummies will see no problem with this, of course.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by armyofone(m): 6:58pm On Mar 22, 2021
I really like the idea - i hope they continue pulling out manufacturing from Asia and bring it to South America and even to Africa.

Cousin9999:


It doesn't make sense. But the good news is America is pulling manufacturing out of Asia and expanding in Mexico. That should help get rid of Mexicans and others. They're also expanding in India, so that should get rid of Indians too.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by feedthenation(m): 7:34pm On Mar 22, 2021
PrideofLincoln1:
Personally I am against abortion except in the case of incest, rape or when it could cost the death of the pregnant lady. That comes from my Parochial education coming from Jesuits Schools my siblings and I attended. Where I disagree with you is that being a Progressive, I will not impose my will on a lady to do what she wants with her life. I pray that none of my daughters will have one but if any of them decides to, it's not my choice to impose my beliefs on her. Saying that to say that abortion is a personal choice because this is a very controversial issue in America. If the Government stops legal abortion, the issue will become State Rights issues and for the Red States that will ban all abortions no matter the circumstance, it will lead to back alley abortions that claimed many lives in the 40s, 50s, and 60s before SCOTUS steps in.

---Valid points---some women will definitely abort illegally regardless of law against 'abortion'---we should ask the pseudo-GOPs on Nairaland---do they know the number of girls and women who abort on daily basis in Nigeria?---

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by feedthenation(m): 7:47pm On Mar 22, 2021
---Trump latest media statement---still wants to be relevant---by backing GOP congressman's bid against Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger---

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by salford1: 7:52pm On Mar 22, 2021
feedthenation:
---Trump latest media statement---still wants to be relevant---by backing GOP congressman's bid against Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger---
Cancel culture.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by budaatum: 7:57pm On Mar 22, 2021
feedthenation:


---Valid points---some women will definitely abort illegally regardless of law against 'abortion'---we should ask the pseudo-GOPs on Nairaland---do they know the number of girls and women who abort on daily basis in Nigeria?---

Abortion is illegal in Nigeria, and most medical practitioners refuse to conduct abortions because of fear of the legal consequences. The result is that most women wanting an abortion tend to patronise unqualified practitioners who offer quick and cheap abortions. The Society of Gynaecologists and Obstetricians of Nigeria estimates that about 20 000 Nigerian women die from unsafe abortions each year.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1169586/


Of course these figures are conservative since illegal abortions are not exactly counted. Uneducated chemist will sell pills without receipt and if one died in the process no one will bother with autopsy, and 'Died wrongfully' or 'village people' will be assumed and the dead corpse will be shoved in a box in a hole in the ground.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by edi287: 8:57pm On Mar 22, 2021
raumdeuter:


I support abortion as long as the mother does not want to carry the baby. Even if its 100weeks.



Carrying a baby has physical and psychological dimensions to it, If the mother thinks she cannot carry it at any time, she should be free to abort
Child bearing and rearing is hard enough, You have to be 100% on board for it. IMO
The mother should not let it get to 100 weeks. I can understand if it's rape or incest but two grown adults should be responsible to know if they're ready for a kid or not.

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