LordReed:


It is more dangerous to indoctrinate children because they have no tools yet to critically examine what they are being indoctrinated with.

All of that can be achieved without religious instruction. This fear that atheists want to live without fear of consequence is a lie that you tell yourselves because you are afraid of taking responsibility. I teach my children to be responsible and disciplined without any threats of eternal punishment and I can see the effect. They are well behaved even as they children and are prone to childish errors.

No, it is far easier to depend on the structure built on the tyrannical strictures of a supposed eternal Big Brother than it is to place your own destiny in your own hands and mind.

This separation is what you Abrahamic religious fanatics use to create this conflicted world we live in. In time past nobody heard of religious wars but with advent of Christianity, Islam and to a lesser extent Judaism, religious conflict became the driver for even more societal disruption. Your stance on marriage is indicative of this disruptive effect you guys perpetrate.

Must I marry a drunkard?

It doesn't matter how the benefits of alcohol is promoted. Those who drink wouldn't see anything wrong with drinking. So is the issue of Religion.

Must I marry an atheist?

It doesn't matter how you promote atheism. Those who are Atheists will not see anything wrong with atheism. So is the issue of Religion.

Interestingly, doctrine is not really discussed with Children even in the Christian settings. You learn the stories about bible characters and the lessons to be gleaned from their actions and relationship with God. It takes someone who has some measure of intellectual maturity usually at teenage age to begin to take small doses of doctrines.

Where multiple gods are worshipped, religion wouldn't matter with respect of marriage. Monotheistic religions from inception has not hidden the fact that you can't just marry anyone

budaatum:


You really do not understand why Christ said "Go and do like the pagan unbelieving Samaritan", do you?

Yet you think you trust and obey Christ that you do not understand and you refuse to learn that you are just the lordist shadeyinka.

Do you know that sometimes, some animals have been found to show mercy to their captives? Does it mean that God is in their hearts?

By earthly standards, some Atheists can be good and kind. Unfortunately, it has nothing to do with God (Atheists too will support this argument). Within man is his spirit from where his conscience operate. Gods spirit is different from man's spirit.

Only those who believe on His name has the power of sonship of God. In this, the Atheist doesn't qualify one bit

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shadeyinka:

Do you know that sometimes, some animals have been found to show mercy to their captives? Does it mean that God is in their hearts?

By earthly standards, some Atheists can be good and kind. Unfortunately, it has nothing to do with God (Atheists too will support this argument). Within man is his spirit from where his conscience operate. Gods spirit is different from man's spirit.

Only those who believe on His name has the power of sonship of God. In this, the Atheist doesn't qualify one bit

LordReed:


I didn't ask you that question, that was someone else.

If a god exists that can make me live for eternity what does it subtract from him to let me eternally make my own choices even if it means not living with him? Is he an insecure abusive personality that can't stand to bear that someone doesn't choose him?

Exactly!
That is why He has allowed LordReed to choose. You get what you have desired a place devoid of God

budaatum:
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Are Atheists for Christ?
"He that is not an anti-Christ is not against Christ concerning the work of the ministry"

shadeyinka:

Are Atheists for Christ?
"He that is not an anti-Christ is not against Christ in the work of the ministry"

The particular atheist who opened this thread is as much for Christ as you are for Christ's opposite, and many with eyes to see have already told you so and many more will continue to come here to tell you so for as long as this thread lives.

Stop trying to wasting my time as you are wont to to often do, for we both know you will refuse to see, and argue that you are right till Kingdom Come, but [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2013&version=NIV]In you, Shadeyinka, is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah[/url]:

“You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. For your heart has become calloused; you hardly hear with your ears, and you have closed your eyes. Otherwise you might see with your eyes, hear with your ears, understand with your heart and turn and be healed by Christ".

Hello all... I mentioned earlier in the thread that my wedding anniversary is in a few days. Well, today, my lovely wife and I celebrated our 7th year wedding anniversary. Yes, I remain a true atheist, and she remains a professed christian.

Waking up this morning, my wife held my hand and said a short prayer. While she was at it, i was silent, looking at her and smiling joyfully. When she finished and said "Amen", i told her i love her. She said she loved me too.
Surprised an atheist allow his wife hold his hand when she prayed well, that's because of balanced judgement. I know that in her heart she means well by praying, and that she wishes our union well with such prayers. I respect that. So sometimes when she asks with pleading eyes, and hold my hands, i consent. However, she respect me enough to not always expect my participation (though it is only passive). She respect enough to keep it short the times i join in. Also, she respect me enough to not overdo the prayer thing (with hyperactive vibrating, gibberish speaking in tongues, etc).

You see, mutual respect is key. Even if you think your belief (or unbelief) is correct, respect the other's belief (or unbelief), and allow him/ her express it. Where possible, even make room for the expression of this belief (or unbelief). Do not force the other to accept your views. (belief or unbelief).
Troubles brew when you insist you are right and the other is wrong. Trouble brew when you belittle the other person or trample on the views that he/ her treasures. Trouble brew when you try to push your views on the other.

Some here have wondered why I say so little. it is because i really cannot stand the intolerance here (Sorry if this comes out wrong). Trust me, the Atheist me have stayed happily married to my Christian wife because we learned early to sweep off intolerance. My rice and beans comparison has been mentioned by some as too simplistic.... but that is actually how it is to us. We've seen our belief differences as a difference in taste.
In fact, it is one reason it has worked out for us. For example, because i love rice and my wife love beans, i may not eat beans, but that does not mean i'll insist my wife also not eat beans. And it does not mean i will not buy a beans meal for my wife.


As for our little girl, like i said earlier, we teach her how to think, not what to think. Yes, we give her rice, and we give her beans, letting her know rice is daddy's love and beans is mummy's love. "We" is highlighted for emphasis. Daddy does not shove his views down her throat, and mummy does not do that either. Trust me, the little girl knows more about Mummy's sky daddy and his supposedly holy book than most children her age. She just is not indoctrinated. Yes, she also knows the cracks in the sky-daddy tale (at least those her little brain can comprehend).


Once again, happy anniversary to my Atheist self and my lovely Christian wife

budaatum:


The particular atheist who opened this thread is as much for Christ as you are for Christ's opposite, and many with eyes to see have already told you so and many more will continue to come here to tell you so for as long as this thread lives.

See how you twisted the truth. One who rejects God and His Christ has now become to you the faithful and obedient servant.

May your eyes be open!

In the name of love:
Would you encourage your daughter to marry an unrepentant gambler?
Will you encourage your daughter to marry a religious fanatic?
Will you encourage your daughter to marry a gigolo?

Yes I think you will after all they love one another!

budaatum:
Stop trying to wasting my time as you are wont to to often do, for we both know you will refuse to see, and argue that you are right till Kingdom Come, but [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2013&version=NIV]In you, Shadeyinka, is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah[/url]:

“You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. For your heart has become calloused; you hardly hear with your ears, and you have closed your eyes. Otherwise you might see with your eyes, hear with your ears, understand with your heart and turn and be healed by Christ".

The truth is constant: it doesn't change with a thousand arguments.

How you brought yourself to this conclusion still amazes me!

eomajeh:
Hello all... I mentioned earlier in the thread that my wedding anniversary is in a few days. Well, today, my lovely wife and I celebrated our 7th year wedding anniversary. Yes, I remain a true atheist, and she remains a professed christian.

Waking up this morning, my wife held my hand and said a short prayer. While she was at it, i was silent, looking at her and smiling joyfully. When she finished and said "Amen", i told her i love her. She said she loved me too.
Surprised an atheist allow his wife hold his hand when she prayed well, that's because of balanced judgement. I know that in her heart she means well by praying, and that she wishes our union well with such prayers. I respect that. So sometimes when she asks with pleading eyes, and hold my hands, i consent. However, she respect me enough to not always expect my participation (though it is only passive). She respect enough to keep it short the times i join in. Also, she respect me enough to not overdo the prayer thing (with hyperactive vibrating, gibberish speaking in tongues, etc).

You see, mutual respect is key. Even if you think your belief (or unbelief) is correct, respect the other's belief (or unbelief), and allow him/ her express it. Where possible, even make room for the expression of this belief (or unbelief). Do not force the other to accept your views. (belief or unbelief).
Troubles brew when you insist you are right and the other is wrong. Trouble brew when you belittle the other person or trample on the views that he/ her treasures. Trouble brew when you try to push your views on the other.

Some here have wondered why I say so little. it is because i really cannot stand the intolerance here (Sorry if this comes out wrong). Trust me, the Atheist me have stayed happily married to my Christian wife because we learned early to sweep off intolerance. My rice and beans comparison has been mentioned by some as too simplistic.... but that is actually how it is to us. We've seen our belief differences as a difference in taste.
In fact, it is one reason it has worked out for us. For example, because i love rice and my wife love beans, i may not eat beans, but that does not mean i'll insist my wife also not eat beans. And it does not mean i will not buy a beans meal for my wife.

As for our little girl, like i said earlier, we teach her how to think, not what to think. Yes, we give her rice, and we give her beans, letting her know rice is daddy's love and beans is mummy's love. "We" is highlighted for emphasis. Daddy does not shove his views down her throat, and mummy does not do that either. Trust me, the little girl knows more about Mummy's sky daddy and his supposedly holy book than most children her age. She just is not indoctrinated. Yes, she also knows the cracks in the sky-daddy tale (at least those her little brain can comprehend).


Once again, happy anniversary to my Atheist self and my lovely Christian wife.

Happy anniversary to your Atheist self and your lovely Christian wife.

Seven years of blessings will follow the seven years of blessings you have already had and seven more will follow plus seven more years and seven more and for as long as the Lord gives the both of you upon this earth. And even then shall a string of many seven years continue with your blessed daughter for ever and ever. Amen.

shadeyinka:


Will you encourage your daughter to marry a religious fanatic?

After I teach my daughter to think and reason with her own mind it will be impossible for her to want to marry an ignorant unthinking fanatic like you.

shadeyinka:

See how you twisted the truth. One who rejects God and His Christ has now become to you the faithful and obedient servant.

May your eyes be open!

In the name of love:
Would you encourage your daughter to marry an unrepentant gambler?
Will you encourage your daughter to marry a religious fanatic?
Will you encourage your daughter to marry a gigolo?

Yes I think you will after all they love one another!

Will I encourage my daughter to marry an unrepentant gambler, a religious fanatic, or a gigolo? No, I will not encourage her to. I will show her the dangers inherent in marrying a chronic gambler, a fanatic, or a gigolo. However, at the end of the day, it is her choice.

I will not encourage it simply because they love one another??

Yes, I married my wife because I love her. But i loved her because she is a good person. In an earlier post, i said when i set out to get a wife, i looked for a good person. I did not jump into the emotive boat, and then rationalize away the waves. Chronic gambling, fanaticism, and gigolo-ism (if i may) are not elements that should be found in my definition of a good person. This does not mean that good persons should be flawless.

I teach my daughter to use her head before being consumed (not just love).

shadeyinka:

Exactly!
That is why He has allowed LordReed to choose. You get what you have desired a place devoid of God

Yeah the hell concept where he tortures his opponents, such a narcissistic god.

LordReed:


Yeah the hell concept where he tortures his opponents, such a narcissistic god.

Hell is a place where useless rubbish are dumped and forgotten!

eomajeh:



Will I encourage my daughter to marry an unrepentant gambler, a religious fanatic, or a gigolo? No, I will not encourage her to. I will show her the dangers inherent in marrying a chronic gambler, a fanatic, or a gigolo. However, at the end of the day, it is her choice.

I will not encourage it simply because they love one another??

Yes, I married my wife because I love her. But i loved her because she is a good person. In an earlier post, i said when i set out to get a wife, i looked for a good person. I did not jump into the emotive boat, and then rationalize away the waves. Chronic gambling, fanaticism, and gigolo-ism (if i may) are not elements that should be found in my definition of a good person. This does not mean that good persons should be flawless.

I teach my daughter to use her head before being consumed (not just love).

This is more like the position of Christians
1. True Christians are discouraged from marrying non true Christians even if such are pastors or choir masters
2. However, Christians who had found themselves already married to a non-believing spouse cannot divorce them based on this except the unbelieving spouse sought for a divorce.
3. Any Christian ALREADY married to a non-believing spouse must love and Obey them as unto Christ.
4. Any Christian ALREADY married to a non-believing spouse must do her best to prayerfully salvage her predicament especially with respect to her children.

Love is important in marriage, but many other things such as character, trust, dependability and for a Christian love for God are more important!

budaatum:


After I teach my daughter to think and reason with her own mind it will be impossible for her to want to marry an ignorant unthinking fanatic like you.

Same argument!
A True thinking Christian will NOT marry a non true Christian and certainly an atheist is off the list

shadeyinka:

Hell is a place where useless rubbish are dumped and forgotten!

Hehe hehe, by the so called loving god who can't have people who don't love him. An abusive domineering personality, is it any wonder ⅓ of the angels don't want to be near him. LMAO!

LordReed:


Hehe hehe, by the so called loving god who can't have people who don't love him. An abusive domineering personality, is it any wonder ⅓ of the angels don't want to be near him. LMAO!

I don't know where you got your idea of the "teddy bear" kind of God. He's loving to His children: are you one?

He's a consuming FIRE!!

shadeyinka:

I don't know where you got your idea of the "teddy bear" kind of God. He's loving to His children: are you one?

He's a consuming FIRE!!

I got it from you guys. You are the ones saying the narcissist wants to be loved. LoL

LordReed:


I got it from you guys. You are the ones saying the narcissist wants to be loved. LoL

A consuming fire that consumes babies that had no faith in him before they died of poverty or/and disease or/and abortion or/and childbirth issues.
What else

LordReed:


I got it from you guys. You are the ones saying the narcissist wants to be loved. LoL

LOL!
So, you believed in hearsay!? You should have confirmed as a reasonable somebody! LOL!!

But this Coming from the heart and mouth of one who desperatly want to marry a woman is a true Christian.

Your morality is highly questionable if your desire and advocation is to marry someone who TRUELY holds in highest esteem a confirmed narcissist and murderer of babies!


Mr LordReed, Your morality is highly QUESTIONABLE!
Can you justify this behaviour of yours!?

HellVictorinho:

A consuming fire that consumes babies that had no faith in him after they die of poverty or/and disease or/and abortion or/and childbirth issues.
What else

It reminds me of the parable of the vehicles where the vehicles protested vehemently of their right to self existence because the engineers and mechanics turn some vehicles into scrap and also remove vehicle parts for no apparent reason. These engineers don't have MORALS was their conclusion. LOL! And you seem to have the same school of thought!

I didn't know that the bible says that aborted babies are going to hell! Too bad if this is what you consider as your objective truth. However, it still doesn't CHANGE anything as you don't matter one tiny little bit.

Why should ordinary coalition of star dust worry about morality. Some certain kinds of Star dusts may be perfect for making furnace linings!

shadeyinka:

LOL!
So, you believed in hearsay!? You should have confirmed as a reasonable somebody! LOL!!

But this Coming from the heart and mouth of one who desperatly want to marry a woman is a true Christian.

Your morality is highly questionable if your desire and advocation is to marry someone who TRUELY holds in highest esteem a confirmed narcissist and murderer of babies!


Mr LordReed, Your morality is highly QUESTIONABLE!
Can you justify this behaviour of yours!?

LMFAO!

I don't need to want to desperately marry a "true Christian" because I am already married to one. So go and cry to your narcissistic god. Bwahahahahaha!

What are you on about with regards to morality? What has that got to do with this? Why do you like jumping into weird tangents?

HellVictorinho:

A consuming fire that consumes babies that had no faith in him after they die of poverty or/and disease or/and abortion or/and childbirth issues.
What else

Watch them invoke their god of special pleading.

LordReed:


LMFAO!

I don't need to want to desperately marry a "true Christian" because I am already married to one. So go and cry to your narcissistic god. Bwahahahahaha!

What are you on about with regards to morality? What has that got to do with this? Why do you like jumping into weird tangents?

Your argument all along with me was to OPPOSE my take that true Christians shouldn't ever marry Atheists like you.

Your morality is still highly questionable if your desire and advocation for Atheists like you is to marry someone who TRUELY holds in highest esteem a confirmed narcissist and murderer of babies!

Mr LordReed, Your morality is highly QUESTIONABLE!
Can you justify this behaviour of yours!?

shadeyinka:

Your argument all along with me was to OPPOSE my take that true Christians shouldn't ever marry Atheists like you.

Your morality is still highly questionable if your desire and advocation for Atheists like you is to marry someone who TRUELY holds in highest esteem a confirmed narcissist and murderer of babies!

Mr LordReed, Your morality is highly QUESTIONABLE!
Can you justify this behaviour of yours!?

You have not made it known what morality has to do with this. People's beliefs are not what makes them marriageable or not (which BTW is my point), it's their actions, so if the person is not immoral what is the point of your questionable question?

LordReed:


You have not made it known what morality has to do with this. People's beliefs are not what makes them marriageable or not (which BTW is my point), it's their actions, so if the person is not immoral what is the point of your questionable question?

I changes nothing!
I am focusing on you as a person. With your kind of view against God, it cast a huge doubt on whether you have any kind of morals or not.

For emphasis, Your morality highly questionable if your desire and advocation for Atheists like you is to marry someone who TRUELY holds in highest esteem a confirmed narcissist and murderer of babies!

Why should any reasonable moral being advocate a union with any human being who TRUELY holds in HIGHEST esteem a confirmed confirmed narcissist and murderer of babies?
You can answer this question!

shadeyinka:

I changes nothing!
I am focusing on you as a person. With your kind of view against God, it cast a huge doubt on whether you have any kind of morals or not.

For emphasis, Your morality highly questionable if your desire and advocation for Atheists like you is to marry someone who TRUELY holds in highest esteem a confirmed narcissist and murderer of babies!

Why should any reasonable moral being advocate a union with any human being who TRUELY holds in HIGHEST esteem a confirmed confirmed narcissist and murderer of babies?
You can answer this question!

I don't need belief in god to adhere to a system of morality, all moral systems are human made anyway. My morality is not in question because you don't know me, you only know that I don't believe in your narcissistic god. The beliefs in your head means nothing to me, your actions however are way more important. My wife doesn't go around killing babies because she believes in a narcissistic god who does, that is what is important. So again you have no point in bringing up my morality.

shadeyinka:

It reminds me of the parable of the vehicles where the vehicles protested vehemently of their right to self existence because the engineers and mechanics turn some vehicles into scrap and also remove vehicle parts for no apparent reason. These engineers don't have MORALS was their conclusion. LOL! And you seem to have the same school of thought!

I didn't know that the bible says that aborted babies are going to hell! Too bad if this is what you consider as your objective truth. However, it still doesn't CHANGE anything as you don't matter one tiny little bit.

Why should ordinary coalition of star dust worry about morality. Some certain kinds of Star dusts may be perfect for making furnace linings!

Nobody matters to your God.
Not even those that worship him.

HellVictorinho:

Nobody matters to your God.
Not even those that worship him.

Indeed, the god disowns you simply because you divorced. Na wa for this their god.