Jodera:
juve invested in mckennie, kuluveski, bernadeschi, chiesa, rabiot, de ligt, Ramsey, Arthur

If you look at that juve squad and inter squad and still think inter has more quality players than juve, then I don't know what to tell you

De ligt has not performed in Italy, it is not Pirlo’s fault even under Sarri he was dreadful, it was one of the primary reason Sarri was sacked.
Failure to get the best out of De ligt.

Pirlo did not sign Ramsey, Rabiot, and Bernardeshi.
Ramsey has been better under Pirlo than Sarri, under Sarri Ramsey could not even get regular game time, some faction in Italy were already labeling him a flop.
Pirlo rejuvenated Ramsey, one of the good things about his tenure.

Bernardeshi has also failed to perform in Juventus even since Sarri’s tenure, still not Pirlo’s fault.
Bernardeshi is game style is simple “cut in onto his left foot and curl it”, very easy to defend against.

Rabiot has been decent but he is a squad player at best.

Arthur next Xavi is a flop both at Barca and Juve, this is not also Pirlo’s fault.
Just ask Barca about Arthur they would tell you about him, overhyped piece of trash.

I have said it before Kulusevski, Mckennie, Chiesa, De ligt, and Demiral are the future but due to different circumstances they are not able to feature regularly.
Next season they would be fully integrated regularly in the team.

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Look at some of these players let us be honest are they good enough.
Frabrotta- Average player only reasons he players is because Sandro is no better .
Danilo- Bench warmer at City and Madrid, squad player at best.
Only reason why he starts is because, Cuadrado is no better.
Bentacur- I prefer Kovacic to this guy, he is so useless.
Morata- I prefer not to speak .

C.Ronaldo, Chiesa and Ramsey are the only player on Juventus level.
Bonnucci, Sczenezy and Chellini would soon be phased out gradually by don Pirlo .

airmark:


What happened when Fraudiola took over a UCL semifinalist in his first season in England? He ensured they lost to a team with Bakayoko in the midfield and everyone turned flop but nobody flogged him for not winning anything in his first season.

He came back and has turned your league into a farmers league

Flogged Cuntay so much that he surrendered before kickoff
He catch Sarri and pumped him with 6 goals
He catch Lampfraud and turn am to basket

Now Fraudiola is about to win another title while your club is fighting for 4th as usual

ShadowCracker:

Why did they sack Sarri then, if Juve were happy with just winning Seria A.
Those of us that follow Seria A knew the decline was forthcoming, Juventus have failed to replace their watch winners.
Even under Sarri, when Juventus was winning despite being dreadful, people were blaming him I knew he was not at fault.
Gone are the days whereby Juve are handed over the title, Seria A teams are now investing their squad.
Atlanta, milan, Napoli, Inter they want to compete for the title, they are no longer walkovers.

Juventus hierachy knows this, that was they hired Pirlo, a young manager to lead the new generation.
The replacement of deadwoods with quality players, will take a couple of transfer windows it is a process.
Pirlo needs time.

When Pep took over at Man c he had to spend billions to replaced deadwoods Clichy, Negredo, Toure, Navas of a team that won Epl few seasons before his arrival.
Even a master workman, can be productive with bad tools.

Sarri was sacked for their failure in Europe, Right now Juve will jump at the season Sarri had

Singapore1:

arteta
henry
lampard
pirlo
gattuso first job
ole ( better than the rest though )

i think it's stupid from the look of things .. the failure rate like 80%

Ole is not better than the rest he is just Older. Its because of his plain ineptitude that made it look as if he is a rookie manager. Ole started coaching in 2008. By that time these other players were still actively playing, infact Arteta was still at Everton which he left in 2011 to spend 6 years at Arsenal, Pirlo wasnt at Juve yet, Henry just left Arsenal, while Lampard haven't been in UCL final at that time.

Ole is a useless football manager that can never amount to any good in football management

raumdeuter:


He came back and has turned your league into a farmers league

[s]Flogged Cuntay so much that he surrendered before kickoff
He catch Sarri and pumped him with 6 goals
He catch Lampfraud and turn am to basket

Now Fraudiola is about to win another title while your club is fighting for 4th as usual[/s]

So why the vitriol about Pirlo's first season at Juve? Fraudiola was more useless in his first season at Man city too, losing home and away to your fvcking Cuntay.

thorrvik55:


Airmark will be pleased

Definitely, we are missing that central force upfront.

Lukaku alone will draw two defenders while our other exciting attackers will have enough joy to massacre.

raumdeuter:


na all these flop this flop that carry dem win 9 Serie A and reach 2 CL finals o. Suddenly Pirlo come everyone turn flop

A bad workman blames his tools. These players won even with Sarri last season

Whenever you a club where everybody is labelled a flop suddenly, look very well the coach is rubbish. With Lampard everybody thought a lot of Chelsea players are flops and others finished.

Same with Ole, employ a competent manager now, all the usual "flops" will suddenly be good

raumdeuter:


Sarri was sacked for their failure in Europe, Right now Juve will jump at the season Sarri had

Juve will not jump at Sarri’s season, I have told you under Sarri Juventus were dreadful on the eye which was not his fault but they were winning.
Simply because their challengers did not have the required Squad depth and strength to challenge for the title.
Now they appointed Pirlo and you expect him to move mountains, with players like Fraborrta, Danilo, Morata, Bernardeshi , Old cargos like Bonnuci, Chellini .

How they are still calling Onuachu for Nigeria is still what i can't understand. The last time i watched him in Naija jersey i wanted to go and pick my boots. I hope he has improved to justify his call-up.

airmark:
How they are still calling Onuachu for Nigeria is still what i can't understand. The last time i watched him in Naija jersey i wanted to go and pick my boots. I hope he has improved to justify his call-up.

Airmark shey you remember those days Coogar dey call you a failed footballer?

How true was that claim?

ShadowCracker:

Nah man, it is not agenda based it is just cold facts, I am very sure you know that except you want to be sentimental.

Everybody likes blaming the manger when things go wrong, sometimes it is not the manager’s fault, there is little one can do with that Juve squad.

There is a time in a squad where you have to move on some set of players, it not that they are not good, but they are simply not good enough to lead to the future.

Juventus will be back, Pirlo just needs to clear some off the finished players.

Once a great deal of players aren't performing in a club, it's the coach's fault. Maybe it's his tactics, maybe he's not pushing them enough. So if 9 first team players aren't performing, who should we blame. The players
Nah, it doesn't work that way.

Before Juve needs to move on, pirlo needs to start getting results with these present squad first, before he'll be trusted enough to buy his own kind of players.

airmark:


So why the vitriol about Pirlo's first season at Juve? Fraudiola was more useless in his first season at Man city too, losing home and away to your fvcking Cuntay.

Guardiola task in the first season was clearing out dead-woods and spending billions them.
Man c were poor in his first season, I wonder if raumdeuter had called for pep's sack.

ShadowCracker:

De ligt has not performed in Italy, it is not Pirlo’s fault even under Sarri he was dreadful, it was one of the primary reason Sarri was sacked.
Failure to get the best out of De ligt.

Pirlo did not sign Ramsey, Rabiot, and Bernardeshi.
Ramsey has been better under Pirlo than Sarri, under Sarri Ramsey could not even get regular game time, some faction in Italy were already labeling him a flop.
Pirlo rejuvenated Ramsey, one of the good things about his tenure.

Bernardeshi has also failed to perform in Juventus even since Sarri’s tenure, still not Pirlo’s fault.
Bernardeshi is game style is simple “cut in onto his left foot and curl it”, very easy to defend against.

Rabiot has been decent but he is a squad player at best.

Arthur next Xavi is a flop both at Barca and Juve, this is not also Pirlo’s fault.
Just ask Barca about Arthur they would tell you about him, overhyped piece of trash.

I have said it before Kulusevski, Mckennie, Chiesa, De ligt, and Demiral are the future but due to different circumstances they are not able to feature regularly.
Next season they would be fully integrated regularly in the team.

Whether pirlo signed or not is not the bone of contention here.
The koko is that juve have young and exciting players they invested in. It's up for pirlo to bring out the best in them. You can't compare that inter squad to juve squad.
Give conte this squad and pirlo inter squad and it'll be same you who will call lukaku and Young Man u rejects, eriksen Tottenham reject, Sanchez EPL/man u flop, and so on.

All these players not performing at once is all down to the coach

ShadowCracker:
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Look at some of these players let us be honest are they good enough.
Frabrotta- Average player only reasons he players is because Sandro is no better .
Danilo- Bench warmer at City and Madrid, squad player at best.
Only reason why he starts is because, Cuadrado is no better.
Bentacur- I prefer Kovacic to this guy, he is so useless.
Morata- I prefer not to speak .

C.Ronaldo, Chiesa and Ramsey are the only player on Juventus level.
Bonnucci, Sczenezy and Chellini would soon be phased out gradually by don Pirlo .

Do you know that the person danilo replaced with is presently seeing first team shirt in man city (cancelo). If cancelo was still at juve, you would still have branded him a flop cos obviously he was still a bench warmer at juve then.

Jodera:
Do you know that the person danilo replaced with is presently seeing first team shirt in man city (cancelo). If cancelo was still at juve, you would still have branded him a flop cos obviously he was still a bench warmer at juve then.

60Million + Danilo was a very enticing deal to good to be resisted, If I was the one I would have also sanctioned the transfer.
I don't blame Nedved for that, but not geting a decent replacement was where the problem started.

airmark:


So why the vitriol about Pirlo's first season at Juve? Fraudiola was more useless in his first season at Man city too, losing home and away to your fvcking Cuntay.

Because Pirlo has not won anything in his career, he took Juve from Serie A champion to Serie A loser in 12 months
Pep took Man City from 4th to 3rd in his first season, from 66 points to 78points

Cuntay was sent out of England after he surrendered before kickoff to Pep

ShadowCracker:

Guardiola task in the first season was clearing out dead-woods and spending billions them.
Man c were poor in his first season, I wonder if rumdeuter had called for pep's sack.

Pep took City from 3rd to 4th from 66points to 78points

What of Pirlo in Juve

Before Tuchel, how many of the Chelsea players did you guys not call flop this flop that
Rudiger, Christensen, Alonso, Jorginho, Harvetz, infact everyone was a flop under Lamfraud

raumdeuter:


Pep took City from 3rd to 4th from 66points to 78points

What of Pirlo in Juve

Liverpool had 98 points yet didn't win the league, because position on the table is what matters not points.
City went backwards in Pep 1st season from 3rd to 4th that was what mattered.
Pep spent billions on players to get City to where it is today.

Why don't you allow Pirlo to spend just quarter of the billions Pep spent, before you crucify him.

ShadowCracker:

Liverpool had 98 points yet didn't win the league, because position on the table is what matters not points.
City went backwards in Pep 1st season from 3rd to 4th that was what mattered.
Pep spent billions on players to get City to where it is today.

Why don't you allow Pirlo to spend just quarter of the billions Pep spent, before you crucify him.

Before Pep, Man City finished 4th with 66points, First season of Pep they finished 3rd with 78points

raumdeuter:


Before Pep, Man City finished 4th with 66points, First season of Pep they finished 3rd with 78points

Ok why did pep sell players like Clichy, Negredo, Nolito, Navas, Toure, Mangala, Fernardo and spend billions to replace them.

Why didn't he use the tools that was available, that Man c team were Epl and Fa cup winners few seasons ago.

raumdeuter:


[s]Because Pirlo has not won anything in his career, he took Juve from Serie A champion to Serie A loser in 12 months[/s]
Pep took Man City from 4th to 3rd in his first season, from 66 points to 78points

[s]Cuntay was sent out of England after he surrendered before kickoff to Pep[/s]

Fraudiola lifted City from 4th to 3rd after spending 200m or so on a Ucl semifinalist, what a tremendous improvement locally!!!

Enough of local wastefulness of funds, what happened to a Ucl semifinalist when Fraudiola took over in his first season?

ShadowCracker:

Guardiola task in the first season was clearing out dead-woods and spending billions them.
Man c were poor in his first season, I wonder if raumdeuter had called for pep's sack.

You are in the same whatsapp group with him, don't bring me near your mentor on this.

No be you be the great Sulele, he likes quoting well for talking trash about Chelsea players?

airmark:


You are in the same whatsapp group with him, don't bring me near your mentor on this.

No be you be the great Sulele, he likes quoting well for talking trash about Chelsea players?

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ShadowCracker:

Ok why did pep sell players like Clichy, Negredo, Nolito, Navas, Toure, Mangala, Fernardo and spend billions to replace them.

Why didn't he use the tools that was available, that Man c team were Epl and Fa cup winners few seasons ago.

Juventus also sold Pjanic, Khedira, Can, Pjaca, Higuain, Matuidi, Douglas Costa, replacing them with Arthur, Morata, Mckennie and Chiesa

airmark:


Fraudiola lifted City from 4th to 3rd after spending 200m or so on a Ucl semifinalist, what a tremendous improvement locally!!!

Enough of local wastefulness of funds, what happened to a Ucl semifinalist when Fraudiola took over in his first season?

Guardiola lifted City from 66points to 78points in the first season.

raumdeuter:


Guardiola lifted City from 66points to 78points in the first season.

From 4th to 3rd is like from a mat to a chair instead of to the bed.

If Fraudiola wasn't sacked for getting a Ucl semifinalist knocked out by Bakayoko and his friends, Pirlo should not be sacked or criticised.

raumdeuter:


Juventus also sold Pjanic, Khedira, Can, Pjaca, Higuain, Matuidi, Douglas Costa, replacing them with Arthur, Morata, Mckennie and Chiesa

You have not answered my question, why did Guardiola not use the tools available, why did he spend billions to replace deadwoods.

- Guardiola took city from winning the league cup and Ucl semi-finalist, to going trophy-less and getting disgraced by Monaco in Ucl R.16.
- Guardiola spent 200m+.

Griffon:


Airmark shey you remember those days Coogar dey call you a failed footballer?

How true was that claim?

Coogar na werey. He knew about my injury and as a battle rapper, he played with it.

However, my first landed property was bought and developed from money earned through soccer among other things achieved.

Only God knows where the scammer is.

CapitalCee:


Ole is not better than the rest he is just Older. Its because of his plain ineptitude that made it look as if he is a rookie manager. Ole started coaching in 2008. By that time these other players were still actively playing, infact Arteta was still at Everton which he left in 2011 to spend 6 years at Arsenal, Pirlo wasnt at Juve yet, Henry just left Arsenal, while Lampard haven't been in UCL final at that time.

Ole is a useless football manager that can never amount to any good in football management

All this mean say Ole new £10m contract go pain you die.

CapitalCee:


Ole is not better than the rest he is just Older. Its because of his plain ineptitude that made it look as if he is a rookie manager. Ole started coaching in 2008. By that time these other players were still actively playing, infact Arteta was still at Everton which he left in 2011 to spend 6 years at Arsenal, Pirlo wasnt at Juve yet, Henry just left Arsenal, while Lampard haven't been in UCL final at that time.

Ole is a useless football manager that can never amount to any good in football management

Lamb of God!!!

CapitalCee:


Ole is not better than the rest he is just Older. Its because of his plain ineptitude that made it look as if he is a rookie manager. Ole started coaching in 2008. By that time these other players were still actively playing, infact Arteta was still at Everton which he left in 2011 to spend 6 years at Arsenal, Pirlo wasnt at Juve yet, Henry just left Arsenal, while Lampard haven't been in UCL final at that time.

Ole is a useless football manager that can never amount to any good in football management

KingAlabi, this one choke o