Righteousness2:
Performing Miracles is one of the Signs that Follow those who Believe in JESUS.

Performing Miracles is a Sign of GOD'S Presence but not Everyone that Performs Miracles carries GOD'S Presence .

Matthew 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Myer:


Beware of the unpardonable sin.
Attributing God's power to the devil.
Matthew 12:24-32

(V)Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, “This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.”

25 But Jesus (W)knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26 If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? 27 And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. 28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, (X)surely the kingdom of God has come upon you. 29 (Y)Or how can one enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house. 30 He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.

31 “Therefore I say to you, (AA)every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, (AB)but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. 32 Anyone who (AC)speaks a word against the Son of Man, (AD)it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

Righteousness2:


Humble yourself before GOD and Cry out to Him for Understanding!It is very Needful! It will help you in this race.

Myer:


I'm simply letting you realise you could be guilty of the unpardonable sin by calling a real prophet a false prophet.
After all, how do you distinguish them?

Righteousness2:


Just Take the Prayer point I gave u Seriously!
Thatvis what you need now

Righteousness2:


Just Take the Prayer point I gave u Seriously!
Thatvis what you need now

chatinent:
Sb told me today that performing miracles is a sign of godly presence.

Is that really a sign?

Can magic and miracle be differentiated?

paxonel:
really?
How many of these miracle workers were able to heal one covid 19 patient?
it was a sign among early Christians i bible days to convince non Christians to join Christianity.
How many of these miracle workers today have ever performed miracles to prove to Muslims that Christianity is the way?
Non of them!
What they perform miracles for is to prove to fellow Christians that they have power, a self-centered purpose.
no doubt, today pastors are magicians because there is nothing biblical about their methods

chatinent:



You are wise. I must confess.

Righteousness2:


Just Take the Prayer point I gave u Seriously!
That is what you need now

Myer:

I'm simply letting you realise you could be guilty of the unpardonable sin by calling a real prophet a false prophet.
After all, how do you distinguish them?

chatinent:



You are wise. I must confess.

Kobojunkie:
By their fruits you will know them. They are quite easy to spot if you know what to look out for.

Kobojunkie:
By their fruits you will know them. They are quite easy to spot if you know what to look out for.

Myer:

Lol ould you be kind enough to help us identify the true pastors from the false pastors of Nigeria by their fruits?

Kobojunkie:
Look out for those who do not keep the commandments/teachings of Jesus Christ.

For example, those who teach doctrines and traditions of men, what declared are lies, are false teachers and prophets.

Those who deviate from the Gospel as taught by Jesus Christ in any way or form are not of Him.

Those of them who preach the Old covenant and not the New Covenant, are not of Him.
The list goes on.

Myer:

Lol but I've read you denying even the new testament.

From my observation, your idea of new testament is only the 4 synoptic gospels about Jesus Christ. While the rest of the new testament can't be trusted since they were "words of men."

Cos most of the pastors we call false today are not those who dwell on the old testament teachings only but those who dwell on the teachings of Apostle Paul, especially the Hyper Grace pastors.

Since you're the botanist, maybe you can help the rest of us identify and differentiate the true from the false prophets by their fruits.

Kobojunkie:
I don't deny the New Covenant, Jesus Christ, whose teachings are contained in the 4 Gospels. As Jesus commands, I accept(trust) and obey His teachings/commandments which is the Truth of God.

As for the views(words of men) expressed in the letters attributed to the Apostles, I agree with those views that line up with the teachings of Jesus Christ and reject those views which do not line up with the teachings of Jesus Christ. That is it !

The problem with dwelling on the views expressed by the servant rather than the very teachings of the Master Himself is that one invests trust in the wrong source. Jesus Christ is the Truth of God and His teachings are Spirit , the standard we are meant to live by - Paul's words are meant to be validated against the Truth of God, Jesus Christ, not imbibed as is.

As I said in my previous post, Jesus Christ declared that those who love Him are those who keep His commandments. So, the false teachers and prophets are then those who do not obey His commandments.

Myer:

I'm sure even you can't identify them by their fruits. Why?
The tares and the wheat are very similar in nature.

A wheat (true pastor) could easily be struggling with some sin that easily besets him and you conclude that he's a tare.
While a tare (false pastor) can easily pretend to manifest some of the gifts and fruit of the spirit and you will erroneously assume he's a wheat.

So while it's easy to quote the scripture and say you will identify them by their fruits, reality has proven that this is sometimes not even easy to discern.

Kobojunkie:
I am afraid this isn't about tarea and wheat. You are not "visually" examining plants here.
And this is not about Paul's so called gifts of the spirits here either. This is about judging by the teaching of Jesus Christ.

According to Jesus Christ, those who are His are not slaves to sin but through acceptance(trust) and obedience of His commandments/teachings, have instead become Sons of God -they know the Truth( Jesus Christ) and the Truth(Jesus Christ) has set them free. These are those who abide in Jesus Chirst and He, Jesus Christ, abides in them.
So, someone struggling with sin has no business teaching anyone that which he has yet to grasp the truth of.

Those who are false are those who are still laden with sin, struggling to accept and obey the teachings of Jesus Christ( the Truth), and so live in disobedience of the commandments/teachings of Jesus Christ, as I have said times before now.

Myer:


I'm sure even you can't identify them by their fruits. Why?
The tares and the wheat are very similar in nature.

A wheat (true pastor) could easily be struggling with some sin that easily besets him and you conclude that he's a tare.
While a tare (false pastor) can easily pretend to manifest some of the gifts and fruit of the spirit and you will erroneously assume he's a wheat.

So while it's easy to quote the scripture and say you will identify them by their fruits, reality has proven that this is sometimes not even easy to discern.

Myer:

But even the Apostles were still struggling with sins even when they became Apostles. Paul for example, 2 Cor 12:7.

Myer:


I'm sure even you can't identify them by their fruits. Why?
The tares and the wheat are very similar in nature.

A wheat (true pastor) could easily be struggling with some sin that easily besets him and you conclude that he's a tare.
While a tare (false pastor) can easily pretend to manifest some of the gifts and fruit of the spirit and you will erroneously assume he's a wheat.

So while it's easy to quote the scripture and say you will identify them by their fruits, reality has proven that this is sometimes not even easy to discern.

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted!
Before the coming of Christ God revealed to his people that when the Messiah comes to restore pure worship and perfected it Israelites will see a sign to show them the GROUP of people in whose gathering the spirit of God dwells {Joel 2:27-29} so after Jesus' ascension to heaven the Israelites were still in confusion as to which group has God's spirit working with them.
Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes, and lots of other Jewish Rabbis were having serious issues with one another so after they've killed Jesus they thought their enemy and accuser is gone for good only for his disciples to start preaching and teaching with all the signs their God foretold through His prophet Joel!
So Peter quenched the spiritual thirst of this people when he reminded them of what God said through prophet Joel! Act 2:14-36
When the people heard Peter and regained their sanity they were moved to their marrow that they asked with broken hearts saying "brothers what must we do now?" Act 2:37
Now that was the sign to help the Israelites RECOGNIZED pure worship in the midst of the controversy going on back then in the first century. But the question is this: does this sign means there will not be found any wrongdoings in the midst of those practicing pure worship?

This answer is NO!
So the fruit Jesus talked about wasn't something of individuals but a GROUP thing because there were kind hearted and generous individuals in the midst of Pharisees e.g Nicodemus, but as a GROUP the Pharisees weren't producing the fruit befitting God's organized people! Matthew 7:16-18

MightySparrow:

Purity of worship JWs with pure worship still live among us with all hypocrisies. May be Maximus'side is is world of his own
Delusion of abysmal dimension.

MaxInDHouse:
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm i just laugh whenever you try to debunk the TRUTH because it's undeniable! Whenever Jesus talk about the Pharisees did he single out Nicodemus since that one is his friend or he condemned the acts of the GROUP?
Just compare the first century Christian congregation with the Pharisees and tell everyone the difference whether it's on individual bases that the two differ or on GROUP bases!

Again what is the definition of truth