First of all the story can be proven to be borrowed from mythology that predates the Bible (it’s quite clearly been lifted from Gilgamesh).

Second of all no other civilisations mention a global flood.

Third of all there is no geological evidence for a flood having taken place.

Fourth of all the water must’ve come from somewhere, and disappeared somewhere. Remember, to cover the entire planet in water you’d have to reach 8848m over the sea (to cover Mt. Everest). That’s quite a lot of water.

Fifth of all it’s impossible to build an ark, especially a wooden one, that can hold all species. Ken Hamm’s ridiculous Ark experience used modern tools, hundreds of people, and yet didn’t manage to construct an ark that would by any means be sea worthy. The dimensions given for the ark in the bible are far too small. If you add in the fact that you’d need food for all those animals, that a lot of those animals would prey on each other, and that all of them would produce tons and tons of waste products that a crew of 8 would have to take care of, you see how unreasonable it is.

Sixth of all it’s impossible for those species to survive migration from their native climates and locations to the Middle East, then back again once the water receded. Can you imagine a sloth making it from Mt Ararat back to South America? Picture a kangaroo bouncing all over the Asian continent then hopping from island to island back home to Australia?

Seventh of all the rate of the rainfall would’ve had to have been such that the rain alone would’ve wreaked havoc on the ark, and the erosion caused by such intense rainfall would’ve ruined entire countries (imagine 40 days straight of car wash being applied to your garden…)

So no, the biblical story of Noah’s Ark and the Great Flood is merely a myth. Whether the myth it borrowed from, Gilgamesh, is based on a local flood or tsunami, or if it’s pure fiction, is hard to tell. What we can be sure of is that a family of 8 did not chummy up with all the world’s non-aquatic species (though it should be noted that some aquatic species would probably not have survived a global flood either, due to the mixing of salt and sweet water) on a single ark and then survive 40 days and 40 nights of continuous rain, followed by 340 more days waiting for the Earth to dry again before disembarking and beginning the long and arduous journey back to their respective continents.

What do I know? for an ardent Christian, the conclusion would be God did it. let’s dont question it, let’s dont use our brains here.

Yeah. The Bible is full of contradictory situations but we're asked to blindly believe. I don't.

The story of a great flood on the contrary is told is many religions around the world.

I know you've got these really good points all denying or casting doubt on the flood.
But God said it did happen, so can't we all just agree it did happen?
Lets just roll a blunt and chil bro!

Oh no, don't do that. That's God's story. Let's not ruin God's story with logic.
God did it and your logic doesn't matter. His ways are not the ways of man.

1. You said can be proven but not proven?
2. What other civilization could have mentioned it if they didn't witness it? It was written by the person who witnessed it. Meanwhile your assertions are still wrong because over 200 cultures mentioned something about a catastrophic flood.
3. The grand canyon was a perfect example. Scientists doubted and rubbished this claim until 2002 small canyon lake/dam in Texas was formed by a flood in just 3days. So now there is every possibility that a great flood could have caused this to happen. Fossils of marine life found in canyons, in deserts and on land far from the ocean or river.
4. If you read the account of the flood very well it says the water came from above and below. The earth is more water than land. We can see the level of damages tsunamis can do now imagine a bigger tsunami of a world wide magnitude.

5.According to ark measurements, the big boat had about as much space as 250 railroad stock cars, which some folks have calculated can hold between 20,000 and 40,000 animals roughly the size of sheep, however it could still hold 70,000 species of animals with its enormous size without sinking. Literally it was the size of a standard football field and a half. Scientists have calculated the dimensions of the ark and as far as naval architecture is concerned, the ark was good to go.
6. well in the medieval times when there were no cars, planes, ships etc, people traveled and migrated all over the world and settled in every part of the world even in the coldest and hottest regions if humans can migrate that far why not animals?. Also there's evidence some people brought in animals present in their place to a region that does not have it. E.g introduction of foxes in North America. Probably some animals have been moved about this way aswell.
7. Once again if you study the account of the flood it says " the windows of heaven (cloud and normal rain) then it says the fountains of the deep" definitely water coming directly from beneath the earth will be greater and of more force and proportion....

So the account of the flood is possible thank you.

omarithmetics:
I know you've got these really good points all denying or casting doubt on the flood.
But God said it did happen, so can't we all just agree it did happen?
Lets just roll a blunt and chil bro!

lol

FatherOfJesus:
First of all the story can be proven to be borrowed from mythology that predates the Bible (it’s quite clearly been lifted from Gilgamesh).

Second of all no other civilisations mention a global flood.

Third of all there is no geological evidence for a flood having taken place.

Fourth of all the water must’ve come from somewhere, and disappeared somewhere. Remember, to cover the entire planet in water you’d have to reach 8848m over the sea (to cover Mt. Everest). That’s quite a lot of water.

Fifth of all it’s impossible to build an ark, especially a wooden one, that can hold all species. Ken Hamm’s ridiculous Ark experience used modern tools, hundreds of people, and yet didn’t manage to construct an ark that would by any means be sea worthy. The dimensions given for the ark in the bible are far too small. If you add in the fact that you’d need food for all those animals, that a lot of those animals would prey on each other, and that all of them would produce tons and tons of waste products that a crew of 8 would have to take care of, you see how unreasonable it is.

Sixth of all it’s impossible for those species to survive migration from their native climates and locations to the Middle East, then back again once the water receded. Can you imagine a sloth making it from Mt Ararat back to South America? Picture a kangaroo bouncing all over the Asian continent then hopping from island to island back home to Australia?

Seventh of all the rate of the rainfall would’ve had to have been such that the rain alone would’ve wreaked havoc on the ark, and the erosion caused by such intense rainfall would’ve ruined entire countries (imagine 40 days straight of car wash being applied to your garden…)

So no, the biblical story of Noah’s Ark and the Great Flood is merely a myth. Whether the myth it borrowed from, Gilgamesh, is based on a local flood or tsunami, or if it’s pure fiction, is hard to tell. What we can be sure of is that a family of 8 did not chummy up with all the world’s non-aquatic species (though it should be noted that some aquatic species would probably not have survived a global flood either, due to the mixing of salt and sweet water) on a single ark and then survive 40 days and 40 nights of continuous rain, followed by 340 more days waiting for the Earth to dry again before disembarking and beginning the long and arduous journey back to their respective continents.

What do I know? for an ardent Christian, the conclusion would be God did it. let’s dont question it, let’s dont use our brains here.

You are not aware of body of literature in favor of the flood, hence you seem to rehash the old and worn out objections and assumptions about the flood. If you are willing, I can provide links that you may find answers to your objections
Just that you will need to be able to read wide as some are technical journals, to understand them.

The story of Noah was borrowed from the babylonian epics who borrowed it from the summerians. The jews incorperated it into their belief system or religion(judaism).

It is just meant to teach us the fact that God creates and God destroys....and God replenishes..

FatherOfJesus:
First of all the story can be proven to be borrowed from mythology that predates the Bible (it’s quite clearly been lifted from Gilgamesh).

Second of all no other civilisations mention a global flood.

Third of all there is no geological evidence for a flood having taken place.

Fourth of all the water must’ve come from somewhere, and disappeared somewhere. Remember, to cover the entire planet in water you’d have to reach 8848m over the sea (to cover Mt. Everest). That’s quite a lot of water.

Fifth of all it’s impossible to build an ark, especially a wooden one, that can hold all species. Ken Hamm’s ridiculous Ark experience used modern tools, hundreds of people, and yet didn’t manage to construct an ark that would by any means be sea worthy. The dimensions given for the ark in the bible are far too small. If you add in the fact that you’d need food for all those animals, that a lot of those animals would prey on each other, and that all of them would produce tons and tons of waste products that a crew of 8 would have to take care of, you see how unreasonable it is.

Sixth of all it’s impossible for those species to survive migration from their native climates and locations to the Middle East, then back again once the water receded. Can you imagine a sloth making it from Mt Ararat back to South America? Picture a kangaroo bouncing all over the Asian continent then hopping from island to island back home to Australia?

Seventh of all the rate of the rainfall would’ve had to have been such that the rain alone would’ve wreaked havoc on the ark, and the erosion caused by such intense rainfall would’ve ruined entire countries (imagine 40 days straight of car wash being applied to your garden…)

So no, the biblical story of Noah’s Ark and the Great Flood is merely a myth. Whether the myth it borrowed from, Gilgamesh, is based on a local flood or tsunami, or if it’s pure fiction, is hard to tell. What we can be sure of is that a family of 8 did not chummy up with all the world’s non-aquatic species (though it should be noted that some aquatic species would probably not have survived a global flood either, due to the mixing of salt and sweet water) on a single ark and then survive 40 days and 40 nights of continuous rain, followed by 340 more days waiting for the Earth to dry again before disembarking and beginning the long and arduous journey back to their respective continents.

What do I know? for an ardent Christian, the conclusion would be God did it. let’s dont question it, let’s dont use our brains here.

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GOD declares that it happened like many other things in the Holy Bible that have happened and will happen - giving us the rainbow as a reminder in this case (Genesis 9:13), and a number of immutable proofs, yet you - oh man - say the opposite.

"...let God be true but every man a liar..." - Romans 3:4

We know of the descendants of the Ark's occupants and history that follows, we know of well preserved dinosaur bones encapsulated in mud - evidence of a precipitous flood, etc, etc. Additionally, there are spiritual and symbolic messages in GOD's saving of the eight souls and the animals on the ark (1 Peter 3:19-22).

Unbelief is deadly! (Matthew 13:58, Mark 16:14, Romans 11:20, Hebrews 3:12, Hebrews 3:19, Hebrews 11:6)

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“Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all flesh. Is there anything too hard for Me?" - Jeremiah 32:27

keppler:

You are not aware of body of literature in favor of the flood, hence you seem to rehash the old and worn out objections and assumptions about the flood. If you are willing, I can provide links that you may find answers to your objections
Just that you will need to be able to read wide as some are technical journals, to understand them.

Dont provide links, I have read a lot before coming up with this.
Provide logical and evidential objections to the 7 points.
The flood is fake

Noah Ark's story doesn't necessarily claim a global flood.

Comparing to near Eastern usage of their equivalents, show the word used more to refer to the known world.

For example both Sargon of Akkad and the Neo-Assyrians wrote in their proclaimatioms that they had conquered the universe/world and the 4 regions.

In the very context of the proclaimations, still mentioning areas in Arabia and India, it is obvious this refers to their well known world.

This time goes on the boundaries of conquest required to say one "conquered the world" continued to increas from Mesopotamia, to the Near East to all the way from Greece to the Indus.

If the Bible is a Near Eastern document, you should expect similar trope and Idioms, thus you should expect that when used "the world" is used in a similar context, it refers to a similar thing, the well known world.

Which since this is a story tracing Abraham geneology is based in Canaan and from the mentions of "the mountains of Urartu", stretch almost the entire length of Mesopotamia.

Hello have you met the honey badger? Yeah ferocious little bits . How do you put these together with other animals? I know God did it but I can't still wrap my head around honey badgers living peacefully with other rodents?
Mating ? Other animals mating and breeding , I wonder the ice the penguins slept in on the ark , or how polar bears walked all the way from Artantica to the middle East to wait in an Ark. Of Course ,God did it , what was I thinking..

FatherOfJesus:
Dont provide links, I have read a lot before coming up with this.
Provide logical and evidential objections to the 7 points.
The flood is fake

I've provided that already, what more do you need?

Adjovi:
1. You said can be proven but not proven?
2. What other civilization could have mentioned it if they didn't witness it? It was written by the person who witnessed it. Meanwhile your assertions are still wrong because over 200 cultures mentioned something about a catastrophic flood.
3. The grand canyon was a perfect example. Scientists doubted and rubbished this claim until 2002 small canyon lake/dam in Texas was formed by a flood in just 3days. So now there is every possibility that a great flood could have caused this to happen. Fossils of marine life found in canyons, in deserts and on land far from the ocean or river.
4. If you read the account of the flood very well it says the water came from above and below. The earth is more water than land. We can see the level of damages tsunamis can do now imagine a bigger tsunami of a world wide magnitude.

5.According to ark measurements, the big boat had about as much space as 250 railroad stock cars, which some folks have calculated can hold between 20,000 and 40,000 animals roughly the size of sheep, however it could still hold 70,000 species of animals with its enormous size without sinking. Literally it was the size of a standard football field and a half. Scientists have calculated the dimensions of the ark and as far as naval architecture is concerned, the ark was good to go.
6. well in the medieval times when there were no cars, planes, ships etc, people traveled and migrated all over the world and settled in every part of the world even in the coldest and hottest regions if humans can migrate that far why not animals?. Also there's evidence some people brought in animals present in their place to a region that does not have it. E.g introduction of foxes in North America. Probably some animals have been moved about this way aswell.
7. Once again if you study the account of the flood it says " the windows of heaven (cloud and normal rain) then it says the fountains of the deep" definitely water coming directly from beneath the earth will be greater and of more force and proportion....

So the account of the flood is possible thank you.

Grand canyon is not evidence for the flood, the time line for the formation of the canyon and the flood is far apart.

What’s the measurement of the ark so we can do the maths by ourself.

Your number 3 and 7 are religious fantasies with no evidence

These Satanists eh!

FatherOfJesus:

First of all the story can be proven to be borrowed from mythology that predates the Bible (it’s quite clearly been lifted from Gilgamesh).

Gilgamesh! Like Gilgamesh is like the land, sun, rain, sea etc and not a Fabrication by your founding fathers of Satanism just for this purposes!

FatherOfJesus:

Second of all no other civilisations mention a global flood.

As if you find ordinary people happy to talk about God when they themselves are Fleeing from him. If anything, they say and teach "abeg no dey tell me dat kain tory, I know dey like am, I know wan know,"

So therefore, the Truth is No Longer on the Surface and people cover it up with other matters, which your Founding fathers of Anti-God then used the opportunity to set up "Gilgamesh" to be a diversion for any enquiry that may undertaken to discover the True Story of Noah, for which you their Satanson are happy to be a diversion today!

FatherOfJesus:

Third of all there is no geological evidence for a flood having taken place.

When a thing is properly deleted or erased can it still be there, as proven by blotters, good erasers, tipex etc?

FatherOfJesus:

Fourth of all the water must’ve come from somewhere, and disappeared somewhere. Remember, to cover the entire planet in water you’d have to reach 8848m over the sea (to cover Mt. Everest). That’s quite a lot of water.

Can the Manufacturer of Oil lack, Oil?

FatherOfJesus:

Fifth of all it’s impossible to build an ark, especially a wooden one, that can hold all species. Ken Hamm’s ridiculous Ark experience used modern tools, hundreds of people, and yet didn’t manage to construct an ark that would by any means be sea worthy. The dimensions given for the ark in the bible are far too small. If you add in the fact that you’d need food for all those animals, that a lot of those animals would prey on each other, and that all of them would produce tons and tons of waste products that a crew of 8 would have to take care of, you see how unreasonable it is.

Does wood not float on water? As long there is no leak, it shall always float!

On feeding, did a whole country not travel for months without work and yet they were fed?

The Power of A Creator can never be captured, obtained or foreseeable by a creation.

FatherOfJesus:

Sixth of all it’s impossible for those species to survive migration from their native climates and locations to the Middle East, then back again once the water receded. Can you imagine a sloth making it from Mt Ararat back to South America? Picture a kangaroo bouncing all over the Asian continent then hopping from island to island back home to Australia?

Is there anything that you created which you were not able to preserve, for as long you wish it preserved?

That's the Power of A Creator!

FatherOfJesus:

Seventh of all the rate of the rainfall would’ve had to have been such that the rain alone would’ve wreaked havoc on the ark, and the erosion caused by such intense rainfall would’ve ruined entire countries (imagine 40 days straight of car wash being applied to your garden…)

That's The Power of A Creator!

You made bullets! Then you made Armour! You rain your bullets for hundred years, surely you made an Armour to endure 200 years rain.

You think it was for nought when He Instructed "Gopher Wood"?

FatherOfJesus:

.. What do I know? ...

Then you Confess "You Do not Know"!

Wow! A Presentation from and By An "I Do not Know" ! Let's clap for him, let's clap for him.

Put it together for "I Do Not Know Op"!

These Satanists eh!

FatherOfJesus:

First of all the story can be proven to be borrowed from mythology that predates the Bible (it’s quite clearly been lifted from Gilgamesh).

Gilgamesh! Like Gilgamesh is like the land, sun, rain, sea etc and not a Fabrication by your founding fathers of Satanism just for this purposes!

FatherOfJesus:

Second of all no other civilisations mention a global flood.

As if you find ordinary people happy to talk about God when they themselves are Fleeing from him. If anything, they say and teach "abeg no dey tell me dat kain tory, I know dey like am, I know wan know,"

So therefore, the Truth is No Longer on the Surface and people cover it up with other matters, which your Founding fathers of Anti-God then used the opportunity to set up "Gilgamesh" to be a diversion for any enquiry that may undertaken to discover the True Story of Noah, for which you their Satanson are happy to be a diversion today!

FatherOfJesus:

Third of all there is no geological evidence for a flood having taken place.

When a thing is properly deleted or erased can it still be there, as proven by blotters, good erasers, tipex et

FatherOfJesus:

Fourth of all the water must’ve come from somewhere, and disappeared somewhere. Remember, to cover the entire planet in water you’d have to reach 8848m over the sea (to cover Mt. Everest). That’s quite a lot of water.

Can the Manufacturer of Oil lack, Oil?

FatherOfJesus:

Fifth of all it’s impossible to build an ark, especially a wooden one, that can hold all species. Ken Hamm’s ridiculous Ark experience used modern tools, hundreds of people, and yet didn’t manage to construct an ark that would by any means be sea worthy. The dimensions given for the ark in the bible are far too small. If you add in the fact that you’d need food for all those animals, that a lot of those animals would prey on each other, and that all of them would produce tons and tons of waste products that a crew of 8 would have to take care of, you see how unreasonable it is.

Does wood not float on water? As long there is no leak, it shall always float!

On feeding, did a whole country not travel for months without work and yet they were fed?

The Power of A Creator can never be captured, obtained or foreseeable by a creation.

FatherOfJesus:

Sixth of all it’s impossible for those species to survive migration from their native climates and locations to the Middle East, then back again once the water receded. Can you imagine a sloth making it from Mt Ararat back to South America? Picture a kangaroo bouncing all over the Asian continent then hopping from island to island back home to Australia?

Is there anything that you created which you were not able to preserve, for as long you wish it preserved?

That's the Power of A Creator!

FatherOfJesus:

Seventh of all the rate of the rainfall would’ve had to have been such that the rain alone would’ve wreaked havoc on the ark, and the erosion caused by such intense rainfall would’ve ruined entire countries (imagine 40 days straight of car wash being applied to your garden…)

That's The Power of A Creator!

You made bullets! Then you made Armour! You rain your bullets for hundred years, surely you made an Armour to endure 200 years rain.

You think it was for nought when He Instructed "Gopher Wood"?

FatherOfJesus:

.. What do I know? ...

Then you Confess "You Do not Know"!

Wow! A Presentation from and By An "I Do not Know" ! Let's clap for him, let's clap for him.

Put it together for "I Do Not Know Op"!

These Satanists eh!

FatherOfJesus:

First of all the story can be proven to be borrowed from mythology that predates the Bible (it’s quite clearly been lifted from Gilgamesh).

Gilgamesh! Like Gilgamesh is like the land, sun, rain, sea etc and not a Fabrication by your founding fathers of Satanism just for this purposes!

FatherOfJesus:

Second of all no other civilisations mention a global flood.

As if you find ordinary people happy to talk about God when they themselves are Fleeing from him. If anything, they say and teach "abeg no dey tell me dat kain tory, I know dey like am, I know wan know,"

So therefore, the Truth is No Longer on the Surface and people cover it up with other matters, which your Founding fathers of Anti-God then used the opportunity to set up "Gilgamesh" to be a diversion for any enquiry that may undertaken to discover the True Story of Noah, for which you their Satanson are happy to be a diversion today!

FatherOfJesus:

Third of all there is no geological evidence for a flood having taken place.

When a thing is properly deleted or erased can it still be there, as proven by blotters, good erasers, tipex etc

FatherOfJesus:

Fourth of all the water must’ve come from somewhere, and disappeared somewhere. Remember, to cover the entire planet in water you’d have to reach 8848m over the sea (to cover Mt. Everest). That’s quite a lot of water.

Can the Manufacturer of Oil, lack Oil?

That is what it means to be A Creator. He is the Definition of Surplus!

And The Professional Disposer or Drain Master General!

That's What it Means to be A Creator!

FatherOfJesus:

Fifth of all it’s impossible to build an ark, especially a wooden one, that can hold all species. Ken Hamm’s ridiculous Ark experience used modern tools, hundreds of people, and yet didn’t manage to construct an ark that would by any means be sea worthy. The dimensions given for the ark in the bible are far too small. If you add in the fact that you’d need food for all those animals, that a lot of those animals would prey on each other, and that all of them would produce tons and tons of waste products that a crew of 8 would have to take care of, you see how unreasonable it is.

Does wood not float on water? As long there is no leak, it shall always float!

On feeding, did a whole country not travel for months without work and yet they were fed?

The Power of A Creator can never be captured, obtained or foreseeable by a creation.

FatherOfJesus:

Sixth of all it’s impossible for those species to survive migration from their native climates and locations to the Middle East, then back again once the water receded. Can you imagine a sloth making it from Mt Ararat back to South America? Picture a kangaroo bouncing all over the Asian continent then hopping from island to island back home to Australia?

Is there anything that you created which you were not able to preserve, for as long you wish it preserved?

That's the Power of A Creator!

FatherOfJesus:

Seventh of all the rate of the rainfall would’ve had to have been such that the rain alone would’ve wreaked havoc on the ark, and the erosion caused by such intense rainfall would’ve ruined entire countries (imagine 40 days straight of car wash being applied to your garden…)

That's The Power of A Creator!

You made bullets!

Then you made Anti-Bullet(Armour)!

Then You fire your bullets for hundred years, surely you must have made an Armour to endure 200 years Shooting Rain.

You think it was for nought when He Instructed "Gopher Wood"?

FatherOfJesus:

.. What do I know? ...

Then, in the end you Confess that "You Do not Know"!

Wow! A Presentation from and By An "I Do not Know" ! Let's clap for him, let's clap for him.

Put it together for "I Do Not Know Op"!

Let's award him Bachelor of Void of Knowledge (Bvk)!.

FatherOfJesus:
Dont provide links, I have read a lot before coming up with this.
Provide logical and evidential objections to the 7 points.
The flood is fake

You are not ready to dash your beliefs, this I think is why you don't want to check what I have to see if you are conversant with them.
Your points are not what I have the time to make a rebuttal which is why I resort to providing you with where to get the answers yourself.

FatherOfJesus:
Dont provide links, I have read a lot before coming up with this.
Provide logical and evidential objections to the 7 points.
The flood is fake

I just read through and I saw how you just make hand waiving dismissal of adjovi's points. It prove my prediction true that you are not interested in finding answers, which is why you rejected my offer to provide links where you can get answers.

Dtruthspeaker:
These Satanists eh!



Gilgamesh! Like Gilgamesh is like the land, sun, rain, sea etc and not a Fabrication by your founding fathers of Satanism just for this purposes!



As if you find ordinary people happy to talk about God when they themselves are Fleeing from him. If anything, they say and teach "abeg no dey tell me dat kain tory, I know dey like am, I know wan know,"

So therefore, the Truth is No Longer on the Surface and people cover it up with other matters, which your Founding fathers of Anti-God then used the opportunity to set up "Gilgamesh" to be a diversion for any enquiry that may undertaken to discover the True Story of Noah, for which you their Satanson are happy to be a diversion today!



When a thing is properly deleted or erased can it still be there, as proven by blotters, good erasers, tipex etc



Can the Manufacturer of Oil, lack Oil?

That is what it means to be A Creator. He is the Definition of Surplus!

And The Professional Disposer or Drain Master General!

That's What it Means to be A Creator!



Does wood not float on water? As long there is no leak, it shall always float!

On feeding, did a whole country not travel for months without work and yet they were fed?

The Power of A Creator can never be captured, obtained or foreseeable by a creation.



Is there anything that you created which you were not able to preserve, for as long you wish it preserved?

That's the Power of A Creator!



That's The Power of A Creator!

You made bullets!

Then you made Anti-Bullet(Armour)!

Then You fire your bullets for hundred years, surely you must have made an Armour to endure 200 years Shooting Rain.

You think it was for nought when He Instructed "Gopher Wood"?



Then, in the end you Confess that "You Do not Know"!

Wow! A Presentation from and By An "I Do not Know" ! Let's clap for him, let's clap for him.

Put it together for "I Do Not Know Op"!

Let's award him Bachelor of Void of Knowledge (Bvk)!.

FatherOfJesus:
First of all the story can be proven to be borrowed from mythology that predates the Bible (it’s quite clearly been lifted from Gilgamesh).

Second of all no other civilisations mention a global flood.

Third of all there is no geological evidence for a flood having taken place.

Fourth of all the water must’ve come from somewhere, and disappeared somewhere. Remember, to cover the entire planet in water you’d have to reach 8848m over the sea (to cover Mt. Everest). That’s quite a lot of water.

Fifth of all it’s impossible to build an ark, especially a wooden one, that can hold all species. Ken Hamm’s ridiculous Ark experience used modern tools, hundreds of people, and yet didn’t manage to construct an ark that would by any means be sea worthy. The dimensions given for the ark in the bible are far too small. If you add in the fact that you’d need food for all those animals, that a lot of those animals would prey on each other, and that all of them would produce tons and tons of waste products that a crew of 8 would have to take care of, you see how unreasonable it is.

Sixth of all it’s impossible for those species to survive migration from their native climates and locations to the Middle East, then back again once the water receded. Can you imagine a sloth making it from Mt Ararat back to South America? Picture a kangaroo bouncing all over the Asian continent then hopping from island to island back home to Australia?

Seventh of all the rate of the rainfall would’ve had to have been such that the rain alone would’ve wreaked havoc on the ark, and the erosion caused by such intense rainfall would’ve ruined entire countries (imagine 40 days straight of car wash being applied to your garden…)

So no, the biblical story of Noah’s Ark and the Great Flood is merely a myth. Whether the myth it borrowed from, Gilgamesh, is based on a local flood or tsunami, or if it’s pure fiction, is hard to tell. What we can be sure of is that a family of 8 did not chummy up with all the world’s non-aquatic species (though it should be noted that some aquatic species would probably not have survived a global flood either, due to the mixing of salt and sweet water) on a single ark and then survive 40 days and 40 nights of continuous rain, followed by 340 more days waiting for the Earth to dry again before disembarking and beginning the long and arduous journey back to their respective continents.

What do I know? for an ardent Christian, the conclusion would be God did it. let’s dont question it, let’s dont use our brains here.

First of all the story can be proven to be borrowed from mythology that predates the Bible (it’s quite clearly been lifted from Gilgamesh)
Now, this is what you want to believe. Epic of Gilgamesh is not the only global flood story around. So do all flood story borrow from the epic even when they were distant apart such that they could not have met themselves (according to an atheistic reckoning)

Second of all no other civilisations mention a global flood.
This is a great lie. As shown above that over 200 hundred cultures around the world have flood story having parallels with the Biblical flood; from the Eskimos in Alaska, to Siberia, to Mia tribe in China, to the Aborigines of Australia, to Tanzania and the list continues.

Third of all there is no geological evidence for a flood having taken place.
What would serve as geological evidence to you? Adjovi already talked about the grand canyon and explain how canyons have been observed to form with a local flood, extrapolating it to the catastrophic flood that was described in the Bible. You just made a handwaving dismissal and have also REFUSED to get answers. That speaks volume

Fourth of all the water must’ve come from somewhere, and disappeared somewhere. Remember, to cover the entire planet in water you’d have to reach 8848m over the sea (to cover Mt. Everest). That’s quite a lot of water.
This is another bull shit. How else do you explain the presence of MARINE FOSSILS on Mt. Everest if it was not under water at some point. Again, rephrasing your logic, it has been shown that if the whole world was to be flatten, it will be under water, some kilometers deep. Argue this with your secular scientists.
The water did not need to disappear. It is known that high places rose and some are still rising, so if every where was levelled, a catastrophic plate tectonics would provide avenue for the irregular topography on the earth, causing all water to run to the oceans while dry land rose above see level. This is hard science and not some fanciful ideas

Fifth of all it’s impossible to build an ark, especially a wooden one, that can hold all species
While I cannot give a full explanation to this (which was why I offered to provide link to answers but you rejected, proving that you are just here to deceive), your premise is severely faulty. You should be conversant with the flood literature before rehashing old and worn out argument. This is because, no inform creationist believe in FIXITY OF SPECIES. This means that the model predict a rapid speciation from the FEW original kinds which would disembark from the ark. Hence, Noah does not need to have all species, rather, BIBLICAL KINDS (which may range up to the family level in taxonomy).
So the premise is faulty, hence your conclusion is invalid to start with.

Sixth of all it’s impossible for those species to survive migration from their native climates and locations to the Middle East, then back again once the water receded. Can you imagine a sloth making it from Mt Ararat back to South America? Picture a kangaroo bouncing all over the Asian continent then hopping from island to island back home to Australia?
Again, this is with a faulty premise. It is not enough to just copy and paste from an antiGod site, you should be diligent enough to check for rebuttal, but you already show that you are not even interested but to deceive the simple.
It is a proven fact that the world was joined together before as islands are still being formed. Hence, the creation/flood model explains that all the animals that would not need cross any oceans and it was written that God BROUGHT them to Noah. He does not need to drag them.
Marsupials fossils have been found in South America, which shows that they may migrate to different places but may have adapted and survived in Australia. And animals have been seen to migrate from places to places using vegetative bridges which should be abundant just after a flood of such magnitude.
Again, you have opportunity to seek answers if you want as I don't have much time to refute in details

Seventh of all the rate of the rainfall would’ve had to have been such that the rain alone would’ve wreaked havoc on the ark, and the erosion caused by such intense rainfall would’ve ruined entire countries (imagine 40 days straight of car wash being applied to your garden…)
This is the worst of all your points as it again is founded on a false premise. Again, Adjovi explained that the water did not come from rain fall alone but you dismissed him with no argument.
The Bible said "...the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened". This shows that there was a catastrophic event (which was modelled by Dr John Baumgardner, an expert in catastrophic plate tectonics) which must be accompanied with geological activities such that water vapor escapes and condenses back as rain.


Non of your deceptive points hold value, they have been explained but you seem not to want such explanations as it may disturb your intentions to lure the gullible.

for anyone who want to learn more, this link have more than the answers that you may want on the Biblical flood.
https://creation.com/noahs-flood-questions-and-answers

FatherOfJesus:
Grand canyon is not evidence for the flood, the time line for the formation of the canyon and the flood is far apart.

What’s the measurement of the ark so we can do the maths by ourself.

Your number 3 and 7 are religious fantasies with no evidence

Religious fantasies you say, you have nothing to say to refute it do you ?

If what happened in lake dam Texas where the canyon was formed in 3 days of heavy flood, why is the grand canyons any different?

Check the soil formations of the canyons and you'll know for sure that it was caused by flooding.


I created a thread in the religious forum but all atheists in here avoided it like a plague. I'm still waiting for you guys to respond on the thread.

Thread title "the Bible an inspired book of God " I'll be waiting for y'alls response.

Adjovi:


Religious fantasies you say, you have nothing to say to refute it do you ?

If what happened in lake dam Texas where the canyon was formed in 3 days of heavy flood, why is the grand canyons any different?

Check the soil formations of the canyons and you'll know for sure that it was caused by flooding.


I created a thread in the religious forum but all atheists in here avoided it like a plague. I'm still waiting for you guys to respond on the thread.

Thread title "the Bible an inspired book of God " I'll be waiting for y'alls response.

When was the Grand Canyon formed and when did Noah flood happen?

keppler:

I just read through and I saw how you just make hand waiving dismissal of adjovi's points. It prove my prediction true that you are not interested in finding answers, which is why you rejected my offer to provide links where you can get answers.

lol

FatherOfJesus:
lol

Funny? Yeah! But I guess your plans now did not work. Since you can't answer his or my objections, but may use a red herring as other atheists on NL do.

Its an allegory . And there is no big deal about it . Christ is the ark and whoever finds solace in him will be saved from God's wrath and judgement just as those who were in Noah's ark in the myth were saved .

keppler:

Funny? Yeah! But I guess your plans now did not work. Since you can't answer his or my objections, but may use a red herring as other atheists on NL do.

what objections?

keppler:

Funny? Yeah! But I guess your plans now did not work. Since you can't answer his or my objections, but may use a red herring as other atheists on NL do.

If you say all civilizations recorded the flood and the flood myth said only Noah and his family survived the flood then who recorded the flood in those civilizations?
It’s common sense, did ghosts from those civilizations record the flood?

The whole of the creation of universe is also unbelievably true. If not, Noah's Ark is.

keppler:

First of all the story can be proven to be borrowed from mythology that predates the Bible (it’s quite clearly been lifted from Gilgamesh)
Now, this is what you want to believe. Epic of Gilgamesh is not the only global flood story around. So do all flood story borrow from the epic even when they were distant apart such that they could not have met themselves (according to an atheistic reckoning)

Second of all no other civilisations mention a global flood.
This is a great lie. As shown above that over 200 hundred cultures around the world have flood story having parallels with the Biblical flood; from the Eskimos in Alaska, to Siberia, to Mia tribe in China, to the Aborigines of Australia, to Tanzania and the list continues.

Third of all there is no geological evidence for a flood having taken place.
What would serve as geological evidence to you? Adjovi already talked about the grand canyon and explain how canyons have been observed to form with a local flood, extrapolating it to the catastrophic flood that was described in the Bible. You just made a handwaving dismissal and have also REFUSED to get answers. That speaks volume

Fourth of all the water must’ve come from somewhere, and disappeared somewhere. Remember, to cover the entire planet in water you’d have to reach 8848m over the sea (to cover Mt. Everest). That’s quite a lot of water.
This is another bull shit. How else do you explain the presence of MARINE FOSSILS on Mt. Everest if it was not under water at some point. Again, rephrasing your logic, it has been shown that if the whole world was to be flatten, it will be under water, some kilometers deep. Argue this with your secular scientists.
The water did not need to disappear. It is known that high places rose and some are still rising, so if every where was levelled, a catastrophic plate tectonics would provide avenue for the irregular topography on the earth, causing all water to run to the oceans while dry land rose above see level. This is hard science and not some fanciful ideas

Fifth of all it’s impossible to build an ark, especially a wooden one, that can hold all species
While I cannot give a full explanation to this (which was why I offered to provide link to answers but you rejected, proving that you are just here to deceive), your premise is severely faulty. You should be conversant with the flood literature before rehashing old and worn out argument. This is because, no inform creationist believe in FIXITY OF SPECIES. This means that the model predict a rapid speciation from the FEW original kinds which would disembark from the ark. Hence, Noah does not need to have all species, rather, BIBLICAL KINDS (which may range up to the family level in taxonomy).
So the premise is faulty, hence your conclusion is invalid to start with.

Sixth of all it’s impossible for those species to survive migration from their native climates and locations to the Middle East, then back again once the water receded. Can you imagine a sloth making it from Mt Ararat back to South America? Picture a kangaroo bouncing all over the Asian continent then hopping from island to island back home to Australia?
Again, this is with a faulty premise. It is not enough to just copy and paste from an antiGod site, you should be diligent enough to check for rebuttal, but you already show that you are not even interested but to deceive the simple.
It is a proven fact that the world was joined together before as islands are still being formed. Hence, the creation/flood model explains that all the animals that would not need cross any oceans and it was written that God BROUGHT them to Noah. He does not need to drag them.
Marsupials fossils have been found in South America, which shows that they may migrate to different places but may have adapted and survived in Australia. And animals have been seen to migrate from places to places using vegetative bridges which should be abundant just after a flood of such magnitude.
Again, you have opportunity to seek answers if you want as I don't have much time to refute in details

Seventh of all the rate of the rainfall would’ve had to have been such that the rain alone would’ve wreaked havoc on the ark, and the erosion caused by such intense rainfall would’ve ruined entire countries (imagine 40 days straight of car wash being applied to your garden…)
This is the worst of all your points as it again is founded on a false premise. Again, Adjovi explained that the water did not come from rain fall alone but you dismissed him with no argument.
The Bible said "...the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened". This shows that there was a catastrophic event (which was modelled by Dr John Baumgardner, an expert in catastrophic plate tectonics) which must be accompanied with geological activities such that water vapor escapes and condenses back as rain.


Non of your deceptive points hold value, they have been explained but you seem not to want such explanations as it may disturb your intentions to lure the gullible.

for anyone who want to learn more, this link have more than the answers that you may want on the Biblical flood.
https://creation.com/noahs-flood-questions-and-answers

What year did the Grand Canyon form and what year did the Noah flood recorded to have happened?

Seems you lot do not have common sense. According to radiometric evidence, Grand Canyon formed 70million years ago, Noah’s flood didn’t happen 70million years ago, give us the date of when it happened. Grand Canyon is an evidence that a flood happened in North America 70million years ago not a global flood

Humans didn’t roam the planet 70million years ago

keppler:

First of all the story can be proven to be borrowed from mythology that predates the Bible (it’s quite clearly been lifted from Gilgamesh)
Now, this is what you want to believe. Epic of Gilgamesh is not the only global flood story around. So do all flood story borrow from the epic even when they were distant apart such that they could not have met themselves (according to an atheistic reckoning)

Second of all no other civilisations mention a global flood.
This is a great lie. As shown above that over 200 hundred cultures around the world have flood story having parallels with the Biblical flood; from the Eskimos in Alaska, to Siberia, to Mia tribe in China, to the Aborigines of Australia, to Tanzania and the list continues.

Third of all there is no geological evidence for a flood having taken place.
What would serve as geological evidence to you? Adjovi already talked about the grand canyon and explain how canyons have been observed to form with a local flood, extrapolating it to the catastrophic flood that was described in the Bible. You just made a handwaving dismissal and have also REFUSED to get answers. That speaks volume

Fourth of all the water must’ve come from somewhere, and disappeared somewhere. Remember, to cover the entire planet in water you’d have to reach 8848m over the sea (to cover Mt. Everest). That’s quite a lot of water.
This is another bull shit. How else do you explain the presence of MARINE FOSSILS on Mt. Everest if it was not under water at some point. Again, rephrasing your logic, it has been shown that if the whole world was to be flatten, it will be under water, some kilometers deep. Argue this with your secular scientists.
The water did not need to disappear. It is known that high places rose and some are still rising, so if every where was levelled, a catastrophic plate tectonics would provide avenue for the irregular topography on the earth, causing all water to run to the oceans while dry land rose above see level. This is hard science and not some fanciful ideas

Fifth of all it’s impossible to build an ark, especially a wooden one, that can hold all species
While I cannot give a full explanation to this (which was why I offered to provide link to answers but you rejected, proving that you are just here to deceive), your premise is severely faulty. You should be conversant with the flood literature before rehashing old and worn out argument. This is because, no inform creationist believe in FIXITY OF SPECIES. This means that the model predict a rapid speciation from the FEW original kinds which would disembark from the ark. Hence, Noah does not need to have all species, rather, BIBLICAL KINDS (which may range up to the family level in taxonomy).
So the premise is faulty, hence your conclusion is invalid to start with.

Sixth of all it’s impossible for those species to survive migration from their native climates and locations to the Middle East, then back again once the water receded. Can you imagine a sloth making it from Mt Ararat back to South America? Picture a kangaroo bouncing all over the Asian continent then hopping from island to island back home to Australia?
Again, this is with a faulty premise. It is not enough to just copy and paste from an antiGod site, you should be diligent enough to check for rebuttal, but you already show that you are not even interested but to deceive the simple.
It is a proven fact that the world was joined together before as islands are still being formed. Hence, the creation/flood model explains that all the animals that would not need cross any oceans and it was written that God BROUGHT them to Noah. He does not need to drag them.
Marsupials fossils have been found in South America, which shows that they may migrate to different places but may have adapted and survived in Australia. And animals have been seen to migrate from places to places using vegetative bridges which should be abundant just after a flood of such magnitude.
Again, you have opportunity to seek answers if you want as I don't have much time to refute in details

Seventh of all the rate of the rainfall would’ve had to have been such that the rain alone would’ve wreaked havoc on the ark, and the erosion caused by such intense rainfall would’ve ruined entire countries (imagine 40 days straight of car wash being applied to your garden…)
This is the worst of all your points as it again is founded on a false premise. Again, Adjovi explained that the water did not come from rain fall alone but you dismissed him with no argument.
The Bible said "...the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened". This shows that there was a catastrophic event (which was modelled by Dr John Baumgardner, an expert in catastrophic plate tectonics) which must be accompanied with geological activities such that water vapor escapes and condenses back as rain.


Non of your deceptive points hold value, they have been explained but you seem not to want such explanations as it may disturb your intentions to lure the gullible.

for anyone who want to learn more, this link have more than the answers that you may want on the Biblical flood.
https://creation.com/noahs-flood-questions-and-answers

About the water covering Mount Everest, your answer shows that your lack basic idea of water cycle.

keppler:

You are not ready to dash your beliefs, this I think is why you don't want to check what I have to see if you are conversant with them.
Your points are not what I have the time to make a rebuttal which is why I resort to providing you with where to get the answers yourself.

Expalin how kangaroo join the ark in Middle East. Don’t give me the God did it answer because that will be a fallacy of “god of the gaps”