12large1:


Yap I agree. He should buckle up because with simy, Sadiq and terem waiting on the sideline, our 9 shirt is open for Grabs. As for Chukwueze, when lookman and Kalu returns, he will Rightfully drop to the bench

Guy.... Now I can see what you said that angered Chriskels. As in... I understand it's your opinion but don't you weigh some of these takes of yours at times?

Chuks is Nigeria's undisputed starter on the right. Lookman and Kalu will battle for the left side. Abi you don't know this?

Your matter tire me ooo...

You are very observant sister and this is what I am here to put a stop to.

Osimhen is Nigeria's undisputed #9. He has over-earned his starting shirt. 5 goals and 5 assists. 10 direct goals contributions to the Team's total of 14 in the entire AfconQ final round is not moi moi.

He is the Monster Machine for very fantastic reasons and our best all round striker.

Onuachu is the better finisher, I admit but that is all he has over Osimhen now. Meanwhile, Osimhen is the complete package.

Eseose9:


Seen ehen. They are praising Onuachu now while trying to downplay Osimhen.

kellycute:
because they hate good thing. They are looking for issues where there is none. Someone with 5 goals and 5 assist in 5 game is not good enough for them. 5 naira set of people!

My friend look at the bigger picture. Nigeria should never have problems defeating small teams like Benin and Lesotho but in an Anc Final vs Algeria or World cup group stage vs Algeria, you will be punished if you don't capitalize on your few chances. It's a game of Chess not Checkers. Look at the bigger picture

Subzero047:


No Osimhen is our guy but levels pass levels

You are right. Levels pass levels. Osimhen will NEVER MISS FIVE BIG CHANCES IN ONE GAME especially against a side ranked 195 in world football (AKA Gibraltar).

For context, Lesotho is even higher ranked than this Gibraltar side. Even Benin too is LEVELS above Gibraltar.

Please say that again... Levels pass levels.

I remembered vividly in the last AFCON tournament, Rohr refused to feature Chukwueze, Osimhen and Onyekuru, on the excuse that they are too showy. Fans started complaining, and the caterwauling grew louder with chukwueze proving that he is better than the wingers Rohr was parading.
Osimhen showed glimpses of what he could do, Same with Onyekuru.

Rohr should please indulge our viewing pleasure with a front trio of Chukwueze Osimhen and Onyekuru.

12large1:

My friend look at the bigger picture. Nigeria should never have problems defeating small teams like Benin and Lesotho but in an Anc Final vs Algeria or World cup group stage vs Algeria, you will be punished if you don't capitalize on your few chances. It's a game of Chess not Checkers. Look at the bigger picture

the only bigger picture here is Osimhen played 5 games scored 5 goals and knack 5 assists. Highest goal scorer. Finito!!!. Dey dere dey find wetin nor lost

Danielnino00:
Somebody raised this question earlier and I'd like to repeat it...
What's your opinion on the state of the Teslim Balogun Stadium pitch?
Me think it needs some more trimming...Lagos might be the perfect home ground for us pending when the Abuja Stadium will be ready..

The world cup qualifier is too important for us to be changing home venue too often...

Dey shld go back to uyo..uyo remains d best bet..dts if it still maintains dt lustre green grass

As Onauchu's move to Lyon gathers more momentum, with Sadiq already penciled down by Monchi, I just can't wait for summer, all things being equal, to have such options in our striking department as;

Osimhen - Napoli

Iheanacho - Leicester

Onauchu - Lyon

Sadiq - Sevilla

Then, others like Moffi, Maja, Awoniyi, Ugbo

Omo, like this, our opponents go dey pee their pants whenever we release list of invited players to prosecute a match, then, I go dey taunt my Ghanaian and SA friends

TheSuperNerd:
You are very observant sister and this is what I am here to put a stop to.

Osimhen is Nigeria's undisputed #9. He has over-earned his starting shirt. 5 goals and 5 assists. 10 direct goals contributions to the Team's total of 14 in the entire AfconQ final round is not moi moi.

He is the Monster Machine for very fantastic reasons and our best all round striker.

Onuachu is the better finisher, I admit but that is all he has over Osimhen now. Meanwhile, Osimhen is the complete package.

Onuachu being a better finisher is debatable.

There is more to finishing than just goals.

Yes. It can be debated. But right now, for the season in context, I think Onuachu edges.

And yes, goals is not all there is when it comes to finishing which is why I introduced another factor called "Big Chances missed". Onuachu have missed less compared to the other big goals banger of Europe and sometimes comparatively, he has missed less and scored an avalanche of goals in more games played compared to some of the rest.

Osimhen is a fantastic finisher but Onuachu edges now.

Meliforme:


Onuachu being a better finisher is debatable.

There is more to finishing than just goals.

Meliforme:


Onuachu being a better finisher is debatable.

There is more to finishing than just goals.

I know there is more to being a striker than just goals, but please tell "what is more to finishing than just goals".

I wanna learn

I think I have addressed that for him. I understood where he is coming from maybe even more than he thinks.

But he is right. Goals alone does not define a finisher. The volume of chances missed also tells me more about a striker's finishing.

ChrisKels:


I know there is more to being a striker than just goals, but please tell "what is more to finishing than just goals".

I wanna learn

How come do we have many available wingers/forward/strikers and very few Attacking midfielders. Is it that younger footballers don't aspire to be like Zidane, Pirlo, Xavi or what? Imagine if SE had playmakers

1realBobby:


Guy... You're the guy i met in the viewing centre at Akoka right?

That's right.
I couldn't continue watching the match because the overall display of that team was a joke for me.
coupled with the condition of the pitch. Looked like an inter school match.

Hello pals

ChrisKels:
As Onauchu's move to Lyon gathers more momentum, with Sadiq already penciled down by Monchi, I just can't wait for summer, all things being equal, to have such options in our striking department as;

Osimhen - Napoli

Iheanacho - Leicester

Onauchu - Lyon

Sadiq - Sevilla

Then, others like Moffi, Maja, Awoniyi, Ugbo

Omo, like this, our opponents go dey pee their pants whenever we release list of invited players to prosecute a match, then, I go dey taunt my Ghanaian and SA friends

You should also taunt your Ivorian relatives and your Senegalese babes. See as you just ignore them for this post... Nansense!!!!

TheSuperNerd:
I think I have addressed that for him. I understood where he is coming from maybe even more than he thinks.

But he is right. Goals alone does not define a finisher. The volume of chances missed also tells me more about a striker's finishing.

What else defines a better or more clinical finisher if not goals which is a product of chances taken or missed over possible chances created?

Yes, Lewandowski is a better striker than Onauchu, but Onauchu is more clinical than Lewandowski

12large1:
How come do we have many available wingers/forward/strikers and very few Attacking midfielders. Is it that younger footballers don't aspire to be like Zidane, Pirlo, Xavi or what? Imagine if SE had playmakers

I have been asking this same question. Every young footballer from Nigeria claims to idolize Okocha, but none plays in his position

TheSuperNerd:
Yes. It can be debated. But right now, for the season in context, I think Onuachu edges.

And yes, goals is not all there is when it comes to finishing which is why I introduced another factor called "Big Chances missed". Onuachu have missed less compared to the other big goals banger of Europe and sometimes comparatively, he has missed less and scored an avalanche of goals in more games played compared to some of the rest.

Osimhen is a fantastic finisher but Onuachu edges now.

The big chances missed, does it involve goalkeeper saves?

MetalJigsaw:
That's right.
I couldn't continue watching the match because the overall display of that team was a joke for me.
coupled with the condition of the pitch. Looked like an inter school match.

Hello pals

Wow! The brewery is back

TheSuperNerd:


You should also taunt your Ivorian relatives and your Senegalese babes. See as you just ignore them for this post... Nansense!!!!

No, they ain't got no loud mouths and bitter souls like those nyaope gulpers and our kenke eating bredas

Goals from chances created AND also Volume of how much same striker actually misses compared to his goals count is what truly defines the finishing of a Striker from both sides of the "Finishing ability coin". How much big chances he actually misses against how much he actually scores.

Lewy leads the Bundesliga in goals (35) but also leads the Bundesliga in Big Chances missed (20).

Meanwhile, in same league... Haaland has 21 goals and has missed 10 big chances.

For context, Lewy has played 25 games (24 starts). While Young Haaland has played 21 games (20 starts).

Lewy is the better striker overall but Haaland looks like the better finisher as he buries big chances better/more often than Lewy.

Same with Onuachu in Belgium... 25 goals scored in
30 games (28 starts) and have only missed 8 big chances. This shows Paul buries big chances far more often than he misses them. Infact, he rarely misses.

Lewy is also by far the better striker but it sure looks like Onuachu is deadlier in the box as the better finisher.

I hope others reading this won't now misunderstand and think we say both Haaland and Onuachu are better Strikers than Lewy. The context here is just finishing. Nothing more.

ChrisKels:


What else defines a better or more clinical finisher if not goals which is a product chances taken or missed over possible chances created?

Yes, Lewandowski is a better striker than Onauchu, but Onauchu is more clinical than Lewandowski

Yes ofcos. A clear cut (big) chance which should be buried but fired straight at the Goalkeeper or somewhat brilliantly saved is counted as a big chance missed.

For example, the chance Zaidu created for Henry Onyekuru in the game vs Benin Republic which was brilliantly saved by that "Devilish Goalie" Allagbe of Dijon is counted as a Big Chance... That we missed.

Meliforme:


The big chances missed, does it involve goalkeeper saves?

ChrisKels:


I know there is more to being a striker than just goals, but please tell "what is more to finishing than just goals".
I wanna learn

There is more to finishing than just goals.

Quality of the opposition.
Ability to score from very tight to nearly impossible angles.

etc.

MetalJigsaw:
That's right.
I couldn't continue watching the match because the overall display of that team was a joke for me.
coupled with the condition of the pitch. Looked like an inter school match.

Hello pals

The Breaker of Bottles. The Booze man.

The Metallic man returns...

safarigirl:
So, we had Okoye man the post against Benin, and Uzoho man the post against Lesotho, with both goalies keeping clean sheets.

First of all, I am glad we have risen from the ashes of Akpeyi and Ezenwa, but I would genuinely like to know what you guys think of both players and the possibility of rotation between them.

Bear in mind, when I say 'rotation', I don't mean the way Enyeama and Ejide were rotated, but something with a little more equity. I genuinely feel like Ejide was shortchanged a lot in the team, because of Enyeama's brilliance, so, while I acknowledge how much of a legend Vincent is, I do feel a bit for Ejide.

So guys, what's your take on the Maduka-Uzoho GK rotation? If you can include their performances in the last two games in your analysis, factor their strengths and weaknesses, it would also be appreciated.

Cc: icon4s, Supernerd, andrewbaba44, Fabyom, Kog45, subzero047, terzurum5, and other forumites.

PS: If anyone thinks this should be a standalone topic outside of this thread, also signify.

Thanks

Okoye looks smarter, faster and very good with his ball distribution (better foot work).
He's got great instincts that helps him prepare for some unplanned balls.
Igo with Okoye.


In the area of defense organisation, Uzoho seems to be ahead. Uzoho looks very confident too.

TheSuperNerd:
Yes ofcos. A clear cut big chance which should be buried but fired straight at the Goalkeeper or somewhat brilliantly saved is counted as a big chance missed.

For example, the chance Zaidu created for Henry Onyekuru in the game vs Benin Republic which was brilliantly saved by that "Devilish Goalie" Allagbe of Dijon is counted as a Big Chance... That we missed.

That means the quality of the opposition should also be put in perspective.

Thread debate: Aina vs Ebuehi

Another Big Question I want to weigh in on with is Aina vs Ebuehi: Who is better? And I really have to be careful here because I actually rate both lads highly.

Ola Aina - The more versatile of the two. And the more ambipedal of the two. Aina's strength lies more in attack and his ability to sync effortlessly with his advanced wing partner (the winger) thereby providing an extra outlet of attack for his team and in attacking interchanges with his winger-teammate.
Defensively, Aina has shown decent improvements as seen at Fulham and also against Benin where he didn't utilise his normal attacking instincts but stuck to his disciplined positional plays. All the same, he is still behind Ebuehi in this aspect. The defense aspect.


Tyrone Ebuehi - The more balanced of the two. Good attacking wise and "very" good defensively. He differs from Aina in attack in that he chooses his moments to join the attack whereas Aina could oftentimes join the attack. Although against Benin, we saw an Aina who maintained some positional discipline and wasn't as adventurous as Zaidu in same game.
Tyrone is so tidy in possession, has bright decision making and really oozes balance in both offensive and defensive aspects of the fullback role.



Conclusively, between the two, Aina is far more adventurous and his two-footedness can be a real weapon. Whereas Ebuehi is more balanced and the more well rounded fullback.

Who is better? Both offer us quality with their unique attributes and both could feature as the better option compared to the other depending on the tactical set-up and approach to a game. The end.

1realBobby:


Please compile Osimhen's Highlights next

Don't worry it's in the oven

Yes but only in certain perspectives which is partly why I dey vex for Haaland for not burying 1 of those 5 chances against little known Gibraltar. I don't call him Goals Machine for nothing.

But on the overall a big chance missed is still a big chance missed, no matter.

Meliforme:


That means the quality of the opposition should also be put in perspective.

Meliforme:


Onuachu being a better finisher is debatable.

There is more to finishing than just goals.

Check Onuachu's total SE shots on target.
Check his total goals.
Compare to Osimhen.
Some things should not be argued.

TheSuperNerd:
And one of the Big Questions here:

Who is the better finisher? Osimhen or Onuachu

I could easily tell you my own take but I would rather use Stats to help enhance my points.

Osimhen in serie A alone have missed 5 big chances in 13 games (7 starts). He has 3 goals and 1 assist.

Onuachu in Belgian Pro League has missed "just" 8 big chances in 30 games (28 starts).

My focus is on the number of Big chances missed per Game.

Osimhen missed 5 in 13.

Onuachu missed 8 in 30. If Osimhen had played more games, the chances of him missing more are there. Meanwhile Onuachu had gone through 30 full games and haven't even hit double figures yet in Big Chances missed. What does this tell us? The man is one of the most ice-cold finishers in Europe right now. Infact I have an interesting stat I had compiled since March 8 and waited for the right time to drop which shows that Onuachu is actually Europe's most wicked finisher focusing on League stats alone i.e the guy who hardly misses the Big Chances he gets. He even tops the Finisher-Elite, Haaland and we all know just how Brilliant a finisher Haaland is

Without pressing any calculators, it's safe to say Onuachu's finishing is superior because The Big Man HARDLY misses a big chance.

So what's the simple answer I wanted to give you without this stats-filled preamble? It is easily Paul Onuachu. No arguments. Osimhen is a fine finisher. A very good one infact but Onuachu is Elite in this Attribute. But it doesn't make him the better striker all round compared to the Monster Machine.

I will drop those Big Chances missed stats comparison that shows how clinical Onuachu is compared to the goals scored.

Funny enough, out of the 8 big chances Onuachu has missed, almost half were off the line clearances or saves. This means that he puts over 90% of chances you create for him on target at least, and scores about 90% of his shots on target from big chances. If that isn't a finisher, then I don't know what is.

Onuachu's strengths:

1. Aerial ability
2. Physical strength
3. Finishing

Weaknesses:
1. Pressing
2. Counter-attacks
3. Speed
4. Positioning and movement to create chances for himself to score
5. Draws fouls a lot


Osimhen's strengths:
1. Aerial ability
2. Physical strength
3. Pressing
4. Counter-attacks
5. Speed
6. Positioning and movement to create chances for himself to score

Weaknesses:
1. Finishing
2. Prone to anger like Balotelli
3. Defenders use him to draw fouls a lot, and he mostly falls for their traps