Draslo:
Yeah. The Bible is full of contradictory situations but we're asked to blindly believe. I don't.

The story of a great flood on the contrary is told is many religions around the world.

Every riverine and water bound community would have a story of a great flood won't they?

omarithmetics:
I know you've got these really good points all denying or casting doubt on the flood.
But God said it did happen, so can't we all just agree it did happen?
Lets just roll a blunt and chil bro!

No we can't. What we can do is agree it's a great story to take a toke on blunts for, it will make the high, higher.

FatherOfJesus:
If you say all civilizations recorded the flood and the flood myth said only Noah and his family survived the flood then who recorded the flood in those civilizations?
It’s common sense, did ghosts from those civilizations record the flood?

Very funny of you to make arguments from ignorance and still boast about it.
Now I never claimed that "all civilizations recorded the flood". That is you misrepresenting what I said and it would have been easier for you if you had tried to read about the flood from those who agreed that it did occurred.

Anyway, you have to understand what is called paradigm and framework with which data are being interpreted, such that it must be consistent with such framework. With that in mind, let me answer your question with COMMON SENSE
It is very consistent with the creation/flood model that most cultures in the world will have a flood story if those cultures actually descended from the three sons of Noah and scattered abroad during the Babel dispersal, carrying the flood story with them which is transmitted from generation to generation and is expected to differ with time but retain some parallels. The human mtDNA migration chart below equally agrees with the Bible that all humans can be traced back to 3

keppler:

Very funny of you to make arguments from ignorance and still boast about it.
Now I never claimed that "all civilizations recorded the flood". That is you misrepresenting what I said and it would have been easier for you if you had tried to read about the flood from those who agreed that it did occurred.

Anyway, you have to understand what is called paradigm and framework with which data are being interpreted, such that it must be consistent with such framework. With that in mind, let me answer your question with COMMON SENSE
It is very consistent with the creation/flood model that most cultures in the world will have a flood story if those cultures actually descended from the three sons of Noah and scattered abroad during the Babel dispersal, carrying the flood story with them which is transmitted from generation to generation and is expected to differ with time but retain some parallels. The human mtDNA migration chart below equally agrees with the Bible that all humans can be traced back to 3

Who narrated the story of the flood from other civilizations if only Noah and his family survived?
All these back and forth doesn’t give any clue to the answer

FatherOfJesus:
Who narrated the story of the flood from other civilizations if only Noah and his family survived?
All these back and forth doesn’t give any clue to the answer

It is your ignorance and your insistence of remaining ignorant that is the problem here. I maintain that if you had read flood literature, you won't be asking such questions again.
I talked about Babel dispersion and showed you a scientific chart which traced ALL human mtDNA migration from THREE which correspond to the THREE sons of Noah. Did you even check the chart. I guess you must be angry with yourself to see that something like that agrees with the Bible
I explained that their generations which continue to spread and diversify will all have such flood accounts which are being passed down orally from generation to generation.
It is not rocket science, it is just "common sense" as you called it.

I will not take you serious if you are bent on remaining ignorant just to prove your failed case. As you've shown that you are not interested in having answers but to deceive those who are ill informed

FatherOfJesus:
About the water covering Mount Everest, your answer shows that your lack basic idea of water cycle.

Another bull shit!!!

What has water cycle got to do with marine fossils on Mt. Everest?

Most of these wannabe atheists on NL will be glorying on ignorance, yet appearing to be informed after reading one or two ill-informed and worn out articles on anti-God websites

FatherOfJesus:
Expalin how kangaroo join the ark in Middle East. Don’t give me the God did it answer because that will be a fallacy of “god of the gaps”

You are just happy to ignore answers to your questions and will go on to repeat them. That speaks volume.

I already explained that there are marsupial fossils in South America, Egypt and other countries (NOTE: I DID NOT SAY THAT KANGAROO FOSSILS), but it is now said that the Australian marsupials of which the kangaroo is part migrated from South America through Antarctica to Australia. If you read statement such as this in secular papers, I believe you wouldn't ask questions but take it as fact. But I explained that the world was a super continent such that Noah does not need to call for an Australian animal to begin to hop down because it is likely to be just around his locality. And the Bible made it clear that God made the animals come to him because the flood itself is an act of judgement by him. It is not a God of gaps, but it is what is known.

Like I said in one response, if you continue to deliberately wallow in ignorance, I will no longer take you serious as it can be shown that you either did not read rebuttals to your old objections or you have decided to allow ignorance take over

LordReed:


Every riverine and water bound community would have a story of a great flood won't they?

Yes, the should.
But how do you explain the parallels that is found in the Bible. See the chart below

keppler:

Yes, the should.
But how do you explain the parallels that is found in the Bible. See the chart below

Because they all knew about boats and transporting things by boat? I don't think it's a far fetched idea for them to have similarities due to having similar environments.

keppler:

You are just happy to ignore answers to your questions and will go on to repeat them. That speaks volume.

I already explained that there are marsupial fossils in South America, Egypt and other countries (NOTE: I DID NOT SAY THAT KANGAROO FOSSILS), but it is now said that the Australian marsupials of which the kangaroo is part migrated from South America through Antarctica to Australia. If you read statement such as this in secular papers, I believe you wouldn't ask questions but take it as fact. But I explained that the world was a super continent such that Noah does not need to call for an Australian animal to begin to hop down because it is likely to be just around his locality. And the Bible made it clear that God made the animals come to him because the flood itself is an act of judgement by him. It is not a God of gaps, but it is what is known.

Like I said in one response, if you continue to deliberately wallow in ignorance, I will no longer take you serious as it can be shown that you either did not read rebuttals to your old objections or you have decided to allow ignorance take over

You are illiterate. And sciolism is your problem.

When did the Noah’s ark happen?. Let’s start from there.
Because you are just getting things twisted. Tell me the year Noah’s ark happened.

keppler:

Another bull shit!!!

What has water cycle got to do with marine fossils on Mt. Everest?

Most of these wannabe atheists on NL will be glorying on ignorance, yet appearing to be informed after reading one or two ill-informed and worn out articles on anti-God websites

Are you and Iidiot?

Water doesn’t work that way? Do you know how many volume of water is required to cover Mount Everest?
Did you pass secondary school geography?

keppler:

It is your ignorance and your insistence of remaining ignorant that is the problem here. I maintain that if you had read flood literature, you won't be asking such questions again.
I talked about Babel dispersion and showed you a scientific chart which traced ALL human mtDNA migration from THREE which correspond to the THREE sons of Noah. Did you even check the chart. I guess you must be angry with yourself to see that something like that agrees with the Bible
I explained that their generations which continue to spread and diversify will all have such flood accounts which are being passed down orally from generation to generation.
It is not rocket science, it is just "common sense" as you called it.

I will not take you serious if you are bent on remaining ignorant just to prove your failed case. As you've shown that you are not interested in having answers but to deceive those who are ill informed

Just tell me how other civilizations narrated the story of Noah and his family were the only survivals.

Tell me when the Noah’s flood happen. Sciolist

keppler:

You are just happy to ignore answers to your questions and will go on to repeat them. That speaks volume.

I already explained that there are marsupial fossils in South America, Egypt and other countries (NOTE: I DID NOT SAY THAT KANGAROO FOSSILS), but it is now said that the Australian marsupials of which the kangaroo is part migrated from South America through Antarctica to Australia. If you read statement such as this in secular papers, I believe you wouldn't ask questions but take it as fact. But I explained that the world was a super continent such that Noah does not need to call for an Australian animal to begin to hop down because it is likely to be just around his locality. And the Bible made it clear that God made the animals come to him because the flood itself is an act of judgement by him. It is not a God of gaps, but it is what is known.

Like I said in one response, if you continue to deliberately wallow in ignorance, I will no longer take you serious as it can be shown that you either did not read rebuttals to your old objections or you have decided to allow ignorance take over

We all are gonna believe that kangaroos hopped from Australia to Middle East 4000years sho just because you illiterates from the church said it. You are fools


Your stories doesn’t match with all the times and fossil records. Tell us when the Noah flood happened.

FatherOfJesus:
We all are gonna believe that kangaroos hopped from Australia to Middle East 4000years sho just because you illiterates from the church said it. You are fools


Your stories doesn’t match with all the times and fossil records. Tell us when the Noah flood happened.

It easy for anyone following to see that you are just about making subjective mockery and not about getting new insights. This assertion is corroborated by how you make hand waving dismissal of arguments and how you've refused to learn new things. The result is you get emotional when you can't bear with better and sound arguments.

LordReed:


Because they all knew about boats and transporting things by boat? I don't think it's a far fetched idea for them to have similarities due to having similar environments.

I guess you missed my point which I emphasized with the charts I referred you to.
Please refer to the chart which I am posting again to see that it's not boat and water that I am talking about

keppler:

I guess you missed my point which I emphasized with the charts I referred you to.
Please refer to the chart which I am posting again to see that it's not boat and water that I am talking about

when did the Noah’s flood happen?

keppler:

I guess you missed my point which I emphasized with the charts I referred you to.
Please refer to the chart which I am posting again to see that it's not boat and water that I am talking about

Whatever it is you are talking, about humans in similar situations will exhibit some similarities. That is not indicative of the same source for their traditions.

LordReed:


Whatever it is you are talking, about humans in similar situations will exhibit some similarities. That is not indicative of the same source for their traditions.

I believe you know that secularist believe that the Biblical story was plagiarized from epic of Gilgamesh. In fact, that is what every average Joe who has had of epic of Gilgamesh believe and the conclusion was drawn from the parallelism of the two. Just that now that such parallels are found in ALL flood stories, the interpretation seem to change (maybe with you anyway); which is just due to the bias of not wanting to see the Bible true

keppler:

It easy for anyone following to see that you are just about making subjective mockery and not about getting new insights. This assertion is corroborated by how you make hand waving dismissal of arguments and how you've refused to learn new things. The result is you get emotional when you can't bear with better and sound arguments.

Just tell me when the Noah’s flood happened.

We can extrapolate it, compare it with radiometric records and then see how true that is.
You are not having a conversation with your gullible church members who believe any gibberish they hear and read.

keppler:

I believe you know that secularist believe that the Biblical story was plagiarized from epic of Gilgamesh. In fact, that is what every average Joe who has had of epic of Gilgamesh believe and the conclusion was drawn from the parallelism of the two. Just that now that such parallels are found in ALL flood stories, the interpretation seem to change (maybe with you anyway); which is just due to the bias of not wanting to see the Bible true

I will refrain from discussing anything with you hence forth because you seem incapable of talking to me as an individual, you must include what others have said and try to paint me with the same brush even when I have expressed no such views.

LordReed:


I will refrain from discussing anything with you hence forth because you seem incapable of talking to me as an individual, you must include what others have said and try to paint me with the same brush even when I have expressed no such views.

You may make it seem like you have nothing in common with the big picture but it is no coincidence that your statements ALWAYS echo that of the big picture. That is the rationale behind it.
Like I explained to Buda: Person A cannot use weapons known only by Army B to attack Army D and expect C (who is in army D) to not see him belonging to army B.
That's exactly what I see you doing, else, I don't know why you are bent on discrediting and rejecting the Bible a priori and using same arguments used by virtually every atheists; yet, accuse me of lumping you up with the big picture whenever I make my shot

keppler:

You may make it seem like you have nothing in common with the big picture but it is no coincidence that your statements ALWAYS echo that of the big picture. That is the rationale behind it.
Like I explained to Buda: Person A cannot use weapons known only by Army B to attack Army D and expect C (who is in army D) to not see him belonging to army B.
That's exactly what I see you doing, else, I don't know why you are bent on discrediting and rejecting the Bible a priori and using same arguments used by virtually every atheists; yet, accuse me of lumping you up with the big picture whenever I make my shot

You quote positions that have nothing to do with anything I have said then say you have justification for lumping me in? Are you listening to yourself? Where did I say anything about epic of Gilgamesh as an example, yet you said my position is like that of those saying that the flood story of the bible is similar to epic of Gilgamesh. I have never expressed such a position and in fact I expressed opposite of that but you are obviously incapable of interacting on an individual level. When you are ready for that may be we can discuss meanwhile no more answering you.

Is this still on going?

LordReed:


You quote positions that have nothing to do with anything I have said then say you have justification for lumping me in? Are you listening to yourself? Where did I say anything about epic of Gilgamesh as an example, yet you said my position is like that of those saying that the flood story of the bible is similar to epic of Gilgamesh. I have never expressed such a position and in fact I expressed opposite of that but you are obviously incapable of interacting on an individual level. When you are ready for that may be we can discuss meanwhile no more answering you.

Sorry I was busy all this time.
Alright, you've accused me of many things here and I don't know why you would do that.

For a start, you said "You quote positions that have nothing to do with anything I have said then say you have justification for lumping me in? Are you listening to yourself"
I gave a simple analogy. I thought you would explain from the analogy, how Person C should not see Person A as his enemy (in the context of the analogy) or simply show how it does not relate with you (maybe by showing how you coincidentally use virtually all atheistic arguments, yet should not be seen as representing atheistic worldviews)

Where did I say anything about epic of Gilgamesh as an example,
I never said you gave epic of Gilgamesh as an example. (simple answer? or you may go through my response again for clarity)

yet you said my position is like that of those saying that the flood story of the bible is similar to epic of Gilgamesh
Again, this is an accusation. I never said what you accuse me of saying. In fact, this was what I wrote

keppler:

I believe you know that secularist believe that the Biblical story was plagiarized from epic of Gilgamesh. In fact, that is what every average Joe who has had of epic of Gilgamesh believe and the conclusion was drawn from the parallelism of the two. Just that now that such parallels are found in ALL flood stories, the interpretation seem to change (maybe with you anyway); which is just due to the bias of not wanting to see the Bible true

My aim was to tell you that people easily see parallelism between Biblical flood and other flood stories and I had to wonder why you seem to have decide not to acknowledge such parallels, concluding that it is due to your bias of not wanting to see the Bible true.
So how what I wrote implied what you accuse me of is surprising.

I have never expressed such a position and in fact I expressed opposite of that
Like I explained above, I did not say or implied that you expressed such position.

but you are obviously incapable of interacting on an individual level
As shown already, my response was on an individual level.
It seem you have this statement in mind

When you are ready for that may be we can discuss meanwhile no more answering you
It's quite frustrating anyway since we both have our bias, and I can't be fighting a defensive battle just because my "enemy soldier" (or "ally" of my enemy army) seem to disown "his army" anytime I launch a counter attack

keppler:

Sorry I was busy all this time.
Alright, you've accused me of many things here and I don't know why you would do that.

For a start, you said "You quote positions that have nothing to do with anything I have said then say you have justification for lumping me in? Are you listening to yourself"
I gave a simple analogy. I thought you would explain from the analogy, how Person C should not see Person A as his enemy (in the context of the analogy) or simply show how it does not relate with you (maybe by showing how you coincidentally use virtually all atheistic arguments, yet should not be seen as representing atheistic worldviews)

Where did I say anything about epic of Gilgamesh as an example,
I never said you gave epic of Gilgamesh as an example. (simple answer? or you may go through my response again for clarity)

yet you said my position is like that of those saying that the flood story of the bible is similar to epic of Gilgamesh
Again, this is an accusation. I never said what you accuse me of saying. In fact, this was what I wrote
My aim was to tell you that people easily see parallelism between Biblical flood and other flood stories and I had to wonder why you seem to have decide not to acknowledge such parallels, concluding that it is due to your bias of not wanting to see the Bible true.
So how what I wrote implied what you accuse me of is surprising.

I have never expressed such a position and in fact I expressed opposite of that
Like I explained above, I did not say or implied that you expressed such position.

but you are obviously incapable of interacting on an individual level
As shown already, my response was on an individual level.
It seem you have this statement in mind

When you are ready for that may be we can discuss meanwhile no more answering you
It's quite frustrating anyway since we both have our bias, and I can't be fighting a defensive battle just because my "enemy soldier" (or "ally" of my enemy army) seem to disown "his army" anytime I launch a counter attack

I am not disowning anything, I don't have to answer for anybody's opinion but mine. Anytime you are discussing with me you bring other peoples opinions and speak as if I need to answer for them. If you want such an answer why don't you go ask the people who express such opinions, don't ask me.

Where in what I wrote did I not acknowledge the parallels in the biblical flood story with other flood stories.?

sonmvayina:
The story of Noah was borrowed from the babylonian epics who borrowed it from the summerians. The jews incorperated it into their belief system or religion(judaism).

It is just meant to teach us the fact that God creates and God destroys....and God replenishes..

Yimu

When the bible says the world, it doesn't always mean the entire world. It simply meant the world as they knew it in those days. It was more or less a local flood, and the evidence for a major local flood is good.

GeneralDae:
When the bible says the world, it doesn't always mean the entire world. It simply meant the world as they knew it in those days. It was more or less a local flood, and the evidence for a major local flood is good.

i agree with you on this.

LordReed:


I am not disowning anything, I don't have to answer for anybody's opinion but mine. Anytime you are discussing with me you bring other peoples opinions and speak as if I need to answer for them. If you want such an answer why don't you go ask the people who express such opinions, don't ask me.

Where in what I wrote did I not acknowledge the parallels in the biblical flood story with other flood stories.?

You seem to not want to address my analogy where I explained your position. You don't have to answer anybody's opinion but you are free to use their opinions (but this is beyond opinion, it is worldview, no matter how one denies it)

Not that you didn't acknowledge it, but you down played it and have been explaining it away; which has been surprising.

keppler:

You seem to not want to address my analogy where I explained your position. You don't have to answer anybody's opinion but you are free to use their opinions (but this is beyond opinion, it is worldview, no matter how one denies it)

Not that you didn't acknowledge it, but you down played it and have been explaining it away; which has been surprising.

When I use their opinions then you can ask me, not before.

How did I down play it or explain it away?

LordReed:


When I use their opinions then you can ask me, not before.

How did I down play it or explain it away?

I was supposed to add a question mark to the statement. It was a question; You don't have to answer anybody's opinion but you are free to use their opinions?

I showed you a chart which shows similarities that are even theological, then you answered with this "Because they all knew about boats and transporting things by boat? I don't think it's a far fetched idea for them to have similarities due to having similar environments"
What has man transgression, DIVINE destruction, bird sent out, survivors' worship have to do with your explanation?

keppler:

I was supposed to add a question mark to the statement. It was a question; You don't have to answer anybody's opinion but you are free to use their opinions?

I showed you a chart which shows similarities that are even theological, then you answered with this "Because they all knew about boats and transporting things by boat? I don't think it's a far fetched idea for them to have similarities due to having similar environments"
What has man transgression, DIVINE destruction, bird sent out, survivors' worship have to do with your explanation?

So in other words I must accept your explanation for the similarities? I can propose no other way by which it could be?

Also if you are adamant that the only way these things could be are due to shared heritage then are you will to accept that Jesus' death and resurrection story is from previous cultures gods death and resurrection stories?