You're really funny my guy!

According to the Bible there are more than 100,000 gods all claiming Supreme on this planet. So only those who humble themselves and are fervently seeking righteousness can IDENTIFY the Most High Spirit Being (God) in the midst of these numerous powerful spirit beings!

So don't blame anyone it's not that easy to know the truth about God!

FatherOfJesus:

Seriously, I try to engage that fool in a sane debate but he doesn’t just want anything sane.
I think he deserves a dose of his own pill.
There’s no amount of logic and rationality you present to him that will make him not troll.
There are 4000+ gods, which is his?

MaxInDHouse:
You're really funny my guy!

According to the Bible there are more than 100,000 gods all claiming Supreme on this planet. So only those who humble themselves and are fervently seeking righteousness can IDENTIFY the Most High Spirit Being (God) in the midst of these numerous powerful spirit beings!

So don't blame anyone it's not that easy to know the truth about God!

On what basis should I disbelieve the god of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, who says your own biblical god is an idol and then believe your own God?

MaxInDHouse:
You're really funny my guy!

According to the Bible there are more than 100,000 gods all claiming Supreme on this planet. So only those who humble themselves and are fervently seeking righteousness can IDENTIFY the Most High Spirit Being (God) in the midst of these numerous powerful spirit beings!

So don't blame anyone it's not that easy to know the truth about God!

The gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster said the Biblical God is a false God. Don’t you think I should believe them?

imiski:
This aims at drawing "common sense" arguments about the teaching of hellfire. lt does not mean in any way to berate any religion.
One of the doctrines of helleire is that: As soon as a man dies he goes before an angel who opens a 'cctv'-don't mind me-recording of all his deeds, and if found guilty goes immediatly to hell. So my argument is this: when l die after a period of time my flesh starts to rot and eventually turns to manure-common fact. If the flesh turns to manure on the ground, what is then burning in fire?(lol) common sense. Or you may love to argue: that The burning creates the decaying process. Then l would just tell my people to preserve my body so l would somehow cheat hellfire(lol).
Satan the one that caused man to sin is convinently roasting people like borle and fish-this one baffels me-. This doctrine potrays the Christian God as being unjust, for him to allow this. It's like there is some sort of conspiracy amongst them-I mean.

I am sorry but the doctrine you point out has no bearing with what is infact taught by the teachings on which Christ-ian belief is founded.
According to Jesus Christ, Hellfire which will not even be open for business until after His return will only contain demons and those who belong to Him but reject His teachings. And since Jesus Christ declared that His Kingdom is not of this world, but your body(made of dust from this world) is, I don't see the soundness of your logic there.

Did you really know the meaning of the word "BELEIVE"?

FatherOfJesus:

The gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster said the Biblical God is a false God. Don’t you think I should believe them?

MaxInDHouse:
Did you really know the meaning of the word "BELEIVE"?

Yes I do, is it not logical to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

I ask you again do you know the real know what it means to BELEIVE?
It's not like what all these Churchgoers are doing here o, they're just like kids in the market place doing kiddies things. Whether you play music o or your making a dirge they will not understand what is going on, all they know is hunger and the medicine "food"! Luke 7:31-32
The word BELEIVE connotes TRUST so why must you TRUST what you've not seen any evidence to back such TRUST (BELIEF)?
I am one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, we know PERFECTLY and mean seriously what we are saying when we say "WE BELIEVE"

FatherOfJesus:

On what basis should I disbelieve the god of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, who says your own biblical god is an idol and then believe your own God?

MaxInDHouse:
I ask you again do you know the real know what it means to BELEIVE?
It's not like what all these Churchgoers are doing here o, they're just like kids in the market place doing kiddies things. Whether you play music o or your making a dirge they will not understand what is going on, all they know is hunger and the medicine "food"! Luke 7:31-32
The word BELEIVE connotes TRUST so why must you TRUST what you've not seen any evidence to back such TRUST (BELIEF)?
I am one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, we know PERFECTLY and mean seriously what we are saying when we say "WE BELIEVE"

whats your Ian definition of belief?

People believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, trust him to give them everlasting life. What are you talking about?

OK if you do, is there any living person in whom you can confidently say you believe?

FatherOfJesus:

Yes I do, is it not logical to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

Let's leave the people for now, you talked about YOU BELIEVING so let's focus on you in person, is there any living person in whom you can boldly say you believe?

FatherOfJesus:

whats your Ian definition of belief?
People believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, trust him to give them everlasting life. What are you talking about?

MaxInDHouse:
Let's leave the people for now, you talked about YOU BELIEVING so let's focus on you in person, is there any living person in whom you can boldly say you believe?

ok, I believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
He’s the only true God, other gods are idols and you shouldn’t worship them.

Permesan be upon him

MaxInDHouse:
OK if you do, is there any living person in whom you can confidently say you believe?

No living person, I only believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster and trust him for eternal life.

I'm not talking about some unseen Spirit that neither you nor myself can see, i'm talking about humans that you know in person. Is there anyone you can boldly say you believe when he talks?

FatherOfJesus:

No living person, I only believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster and trust him for eternal life.

MaxInDHouse:
I'm not talking about some unseen Spirit that neither you nor myself can see, i'm talking about humans that you know in person. Is there anyone you can boldly say you believe when he talks?

i don’t trust anybody, I already said that na

Good! So is there anything that can prompt you to trust (believe) in what your fellowman say?
Like when someone promise you something, is there any reason for you to believe?

FatherOfJesus:
i don’t trust anybody, I already said that na

MaxInDHouse:
Good! So is there anything that can prompt you to trust (believe) in what your fellowman say?
Like when someone promise you something, is there any reason for you to believe?

Nope, I don’t trust humans, I only give benefit of doubt.

Where are you going with all these?

FatherOfJesus:

Nope, I don’t trust humans, I only give benefit of doubt.

That's reasonable but not true because if you're dressed in suit and on your way to work a car parked beside you and by the owner's seat the glass roled down just for you to see Aliko Dangote, he looked at you and with your boldness he said "can you speak English fluently?" at which you responded "yes" then he said "I need someone to be my personal assistance and your physic matches my choice, would you like to work with me? Please if you do hear is my card, come to my office with that for a formal interview"
Surely you'll oblige most especially if you're still a young graduate. Now on getting to his office you passed the interview and he personally introduced you to the rest of staffs working with him in his office, offer to pay you 3.2 m annually (for a start) with a car and a finished duplex. Would you believe he could meet up with all of these?

Where are you going with all these?

I am just trying to show you the difference between a JW and a Churchgoer, so that when we say "WE BELIEVE" you may understand what we mean!

MaxInDHouse:

That's reasonable but not true because if you're dressed in suit and on your way to work a car parked beside you and by the owner's seat the glass roled down just for you to see Aliko Dangote, he looked at you and with your boldness he said "can you speak English fluently?" at which you responded "yes" then he said "I need someone to be my personal assistance and your physic matches my choice, would you like to work with me? Please if you do hear is my card, come to my office with that for a formal interview"
Surely you'll oblige most especially if you're still a young graduate. Now on getting to his office you passed the interview and he personally introduced you to the rest of staffs working with him in his office, offer to pay you 3.2 m annually (for a start) with a car and a finished duplex. Would you believe he could meet up with all of these?


I am just trying to show you the difference between a JW and a Churchgoer, so that when we say "WE BELIEVE" you may understand what we mean!

how did you reach the conclusion that it’s not true?

You can’t jump into a conclusion, that’s a fallacy of faulty deduction.

What parameters did you use to conclude that I trust people? You made and assertion and quickly concluded so it can align with your point?

Is that what you were taught in philosophy and logic?

The way most of you argue eh , you are just making up assumption on wrong premise

I never concluded yet that you will TRUST in the man PROMISING to pay you 3.2 m o!

I'm just ASKING if you will BELIEVE after he has introduced you to his other workers with whom you're going to work, your office, the kar keys and finished duplex are just what you need for his job but the promise is 3.2 M which will commence in three months after you resume duty.

So my question is WOULD YOU BELIEVING (TRUST) that he will pay you this money as promised?

FatherOfJesus:

how did you reach the conclusion that it’s not true? You can’t jump into a conclusion, that’s a fallacy of faulty deduction. What parameters did you use to conclude that I trust people? You made and assertion and quickly concluded so it can align with your point? Is that what you were taught in philosophy and logic? The way most of you argue eh , you are just making up assumption on wrong premise

MaxInDHouse:
I never concluded yet that you will TRUST in the man PROMISING to pay you 3.2 m o!

I'm just ASKING if you will BELIEVE after he has introduced you to his other workers with whom you're going to work, your office, the kar keys and finished duplex are just what you need for his job but the promise is 3.2 M which will commence in three months after you resume duty.

So my question is WOULD YOU BELIEVING (TRUST) that he will pay you this money as promised?

Thats why I would need a letter of employment and a contract for benefit of doubt

This logic no make any sense.

Would you believe that Dangote gave you a job just by verbal comments?
Jezzz, you need a signed contract to certify a benefit of doubt.

Who takes a job based on trust and verbal promises. Lol

Just like saying a footballer signed a contract with a rich club verbally just because the club is rich

Wow!

Now i know the level of your experience in life!
My friend i just told you how my nephew became the branch manager of a Bank till today. It was just an informal setting but because the CEO is the one who brought him in directly my cousin is now the branch manager today!

Learn to know more, the contract stuff you're ready to depend your life upon doesn't count if those in charge decide to send you away without any benefits you will start going to court from now till the next ten years while the company will continue doing their business and NOTHING will happen!

So learn from experienced people not everything is paper work o!

FatherOfJesus:

Thats why I would need a letter of employment and a contract for benefit of doubt
his logic no make any sense.
Would you believe that Dangote gave you a job just by verbal comments?
Jezzz, you need a signed contract to certify a benefit of doubt.
Who takes a job based on trust and verbal promises. Lol
Just like saying a footballer signed a contract with a rich club verbally just because the club is rich

MaxInDHouse:
Wow!

Now i know the level of your experience in life!
My friend i just told you how my nephew became the branch manager of a Bank till today. It was just an informal setting but because the CEO is the one who brought him in directly my cousin is now the branch manager today!

Learn to know more, the contract stuff you're ready to depend your life upon doesn't count if those in charge decide to send you away without any benefits you will start going to court from now till the next ten years while the company will continue doing their business and NOTHING will happen!

So learn from experienced people not everything is paper work o!

If you like go and collect verbal employment letter, na you sabi. If the weakest court will let you know how stupidd that it when Casala burst

Just go straight to your point, what are you driving at?

Kobojunkie:
I am sorry but the doctrine you point out has no bearing with what is infact taught by the teachings on which Christ-ian belief is founded.
According to Jesus Christ, Hellfire which will not even be open for business until after His return will only contain demons and those who belong to Him but reject His teachings. And since Jesus Christ declared that His Kingdom is not of this world, but your body(made of dust from this world) is, I don't see the soundness of your logic there.

Christians believe that as soon as a man dies his spirit goes to be judged and they usually back it up with the story of the rich man and lazarus.{Had it been I was at home I would have given you bible quotations

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ warned you against listening to the doctrines and traditions (commandments) of men because they are nothing but lies meant to deceive you into leaping headfirst into the very fires of hell you seem to be afraid of.

This is a new one, so christians no longer believe in predestination.
And I can never be afraid of hellfire

imiski:
This is a new one, so christians no longer believe in predestination.
And I can never be afraid of hellfire

Predestination is a doctrine created in the mind of men, and since it is not exactly what Jesus Christ taught, it is not of Him, but of the men who cling to such doctrines and traditions(commandments) of men.

If you don't believe in God, why fear Hell at all? It is instead a place for those who believe in Him to be afraid of.

imiski:
Christians believe that as soon as a man dies his spirit goes to be judged and they usually back it up with the story of the rich man and lazarus.{Had it been I was at home I would have given you bible quotations

That may be what some people believe... but that is not what Jesus Christ taught His followers.
The story of Lazarus and the rich man was a parable Jesus Christ told His followers.

The Heaven and Hell Jesus Christ preached will not be open for business until after His return. He also told several parables to explain how it will be after He returns that admission into either will be granted to those who qualify.

Dtruthspeaker:


And you said the magic words of the limits of your understanding in saying "my flesh" meanwhile Hell and lake of Fire is not about your flesh but about your soul, which you obviously are not conscious is there!

What is your defination

imiski:

What is your defination

Please I do not understand definition in terms of what?

Kobojunkie:
Predestination is a doctrine created in the mind of men, and since it is not exactly what Jesus Christ taught, it is not of Him, but of the men who cling to such doctrines and traditions(commandments) of men.

You are the one who is blindly following the commandments of man. When God created humans to live on earth, did he ever mention that heaven or hell will be their final destination??. No where.
İ have told you before that man is made of dust of the earth and Gods breath. Death is simply God taking his breath and the body returning to dust.

But you are foolishly beleiving the story written by unknown authors who never met any one who met any one in the story they are telling. You really need to unlearn the bull shiits in the new testament and learn Gods commandments to guide you in your journey in this life. .

Be waiting for jesus to come back or return. You have stil not realise that he is just a Greeco Roman creation..

We are spiritual beings. We are here on earth temporaly. The creator decreed a maximum of 120 years.
"My spirit shall not dwell with man forever, his years shall be 120 years" (Genesis 6:4).

We are all Gods spirit dwelling within a vessel made from the dust of the earth. When we die, our spirit becomes one with the creator or source of life..
There is no hell or heaven. (Like the new testament defines it) it is singularity rsther than duality.

The purpose is to acieve relative peace, in other to do so we need to set boundaries for our selves. Thsts where spiritual laws come in. Which God gave to all mankind. The jews has been so kind to write it down for us. But the romans came later to add their bull shit at the back of it to deceive people..and now people like kobojunkie cant seperate the wheat from the shaft..

Life is a choice and a journey. Only the destination is given. The journey is entirely up to you. Learn the Torah and make the most of it.

FatherOfJesus:

If you like go and collect verbal employment letter, na you sabi. If the weakest court will let you know how stupidd that it when Casala burst

Me? Employment?
Omo never mind i'm a contractor dealing directly with big firms so i'm just sharing some experience that might be of advantage to up coming ones but if you think you're wise no wahala.
You're so hasty to rush to conclusion when chatting with people due to your hatred for the Bible yet you're always here trying to chat with them. Why not listen with keen interest if truly you want to help them get out of what you think is bondage. Remember they're living their lives just as you and none of them has come to you for financial assistance so if you're feeling they need your help psychologically then you must listen to them empathetically though they think they're OK not this your attitude of mocking them as if you've gotten anything better!

Just go straight to your point, what are you driving at?

You're not ready for intellectual talks my friend, i'm not a kid that rush into arguments, if you're not interested in chatting with intelligent people you can continue mocking your friends and when they insult, abuse or curse you know that you're all playing like little children so none of you is to blame for whatever results from your mockery.
You said you never trust but i'm telling you that you're deceiving yourself big time.
I'm a business man and no business or deal goes without a level of TRUST, in fact deals that often leads people to becoming billionaires overnight never goes with paperworks it's mouth to mouth thing. Come to clubs and meet big men in business, if someone in the club tells you something and you're still anticipating paperwork the first thing that comes to our minds is "this one is looking for job, not the business type"
So we'll make you go through all the protocols whereas my own son or daughter will only go straight to any of my friends whose firm has a job for him/her, start work immediately and the paperworks will be arranged later for formality sake and documentation.
So what could have made such a thing possible?
Well my young man it is TRUST (BELEIVE) in the person who RECOMMENDED him/her not your so called paperworks!

Whenever you're ready to chat intelligently i'm always around!

MaxInDHouse:

Me? Employment?
Omo never mind i'm a contractor dealing directly with big firms so i'm just sharing some experience that might be of advantage to up coming ones but if you think you're wise no wahala.
You're so hasty to rush to conclusion when chatting with people due to your hatred for the Bible yet you're always here trying to chat with them. Why not listen with keen interest if truly you want to help them get out of what you think is bondage. Remember they're living their lives just as you and none of them has come to you for financial assistance so if you're feeling they need your help psychologically then you must listen to them empathetically though they think they're OK not this your attitude of mocking them as if you've gotten anything better!


You're not ready for intellectual talks my friend, i'm not a kid that rush into arguments, if you're not interested in chatting with intelligent people you can continue mocking your friends and when they insult, abuse or curse you know that you're all playing like little children so none of you is to blame for whatever results from your mockery.
You said you never trust but i'm telling you that you're deceiving yourself big time.
I'm a business man and no business or deal goes without a level of TRUST, in fact deals that often leads people to becoming billionaires overnight never goes with paperworks it's mouth to mouth thing. Come to clubs and meet big men in business, if someone in the club tells you something and you're still anticipating paperwork the first thing that comes to our minds is "this one is looking for job, not the business type"
So we'll make you go through all the protocols whereas my own son or daughter will only go straight to any of my friends whose firm has a job for him/her, start work immediately and the paperworks will be arranged later for formality sake and documentation.
So what could have made such a thing possible?
Well my young man it is TRUST (BELEIVE) in the person who RECOMMENDED him/her not your so called paperworks!

Whenever you're ready to chat intelligently i'm always around!

Lol, what’s intellectual about getting a job without an employment letter?

No wonder you lot believe nonsense from the Bible