Adakintroy:


For a start it's very hard to take you seriouse when you start your argument by refering to a veteran as him as old dinosaur. If anything it's validated the men's positions that feminism is about hate and disrespect. If you concede that Pete had made an error by his remark then you err even further by setting off this way. But we we will let it slide for the sake of education.

Now Pete I think is arguing from the position of culture as natural African man. Which entails that women be submisive. you can argue all you want about how appalling such cultural doctrines are but it does not negate the fact that it is his and now he is standing on it. his own culture or rephrased as " the way he was culture". That in my view put a rational behind his thinking and instantly invalidates your point or that of the feminist coalition as a mindless rant. It's rather a rant with a mind coming from a place.

So permitted me to make an alignment between his statements and the fundamentals of culture

His work words were.

"Feminism isn’t something black people are known for. Once a woman leaves her parents to meet her husband and takes his surname, she is to be submissive to him. If she wasn’t married, she can do whatever she wants".

Note he said " if she wasn't married she can do whatever she likes".

Here is the definition of culture.

anthropologists define culture as the shared set of (implicit and explicit) values, ideas, concepts, and rules of behaviour that allow a social group to function and perpetuate itself.

Note there are no biase or sentiments in the definitions. Just language understood. (Key words; values, ideas, concepts, rules, of "behavior"

See now if his statements lines up then we can proceed. Over to you.

Thanks.

Ladycewhy:
If that be the case ,how come feminism is now being blamed when Nigerian men have had this trait of violence even before you and I were born? isn't this a case of "hanging a dog" , It's just common sense.

Obi1kenobi:


No fool who justifies violence against women deserves respect. If he chooses to disrespect women, there is no foul in returning the same energy he wants to channel out.



Culture is not something stamped on people by invisible hands. It's the way a society chooses to live. To justify grotesque anachronisms as "culture" would be as silly as justifying slavery, human sacrifice etc as culture. Culture changes all the time as societies evolve. Christianity is a recent import into Nigeria. Why not reject it because it was not the "culture" of your ancestors?



Black people wear Western clothes, observe Western religion, speak Western languages, use Western technology (like both of us typing here on Western originated tech). How convenient that we only remember our own regressive culture when it comes to subduing women as door mats who serve at the pleasure and will of their male masters. Culture my arse. If feminism is not "something black people are known for", does that make it illegitimate? Is that a rational basis for evaluating the net good of feminism to the society?

Plenty of women don't "leave their parents" to meet their husband. Plenty are independent working professionals. If he married a housewife who he took from her parents, it doesn't mean every woman is one and he may have to readjust his dinosaur mentality to the realities of the modern world.



Every adult in our culture, man or woman, single or married, can do as they like within the ambit of the law. So it's not for him to dictate anything under the weaselly toga of "culture". If one can't win the respect of their wives, that speaks to their own failings as men. Not for a dinosaur to be justifying violence against women because of "feminism".

BLOODYSPERM:




Feminism has destroyed marriages that is my point, Edochie wanted to use rhetorics to point out the flaws of Feminism in society and he used domestic violence to serve as a scape goat with regards to Feminism

Intelligent and educated men like us will understand what he his saying, and he has a more realistic appraisal of his times, as we were not born then

BLOODYSPERM:




Ignorance is driving fools to western societies, pragmatic individuals like us would rather travel and learn from prosperous Arab Societies in the middle East and come and develop our Nation

Feminism never brought wealth to western Societies, capitalism did so and Feminism blames Patriachy and capitalism for females so called oppression and inequalities

Bros
You're an emasculated Simp

bukatyne:


Is it now gender equity?

We are getting there. The world would not disintegrate after all.

The definition of feminism on wikipedia has changed sef. It used to be a bit different those years I used to quote it here.

demmymoney:


Because u are so stupid and bluepilled that's why u believe men and women are equal.

Ladycewhy:
Rather misoginistic men like you understand his point.


Any to what do we hold responsible for the destroyed marriages prior to feminism? can you educate us in that?

BLOODYSPERM:



Statistics showed divorce was rare in western societies and alimonies protected women during divorce, but now women are in the workplace, they have equal opportunities as men , same earning potential as men, yet alimony is still in marriages , women have strong incentives to destroy their homes more than Patriachal times since child custody laws and alimonies encourage these due to women's innate Hypergamous nature

crackhaus:

They are learning...

Even they did not understand what gender equality actually implied. E easy?
Na only to dey shout and repeat whatever they heard is reigning dem sabi. I've never seen a group of people so incapable of independent analytical thought about what they want to support.

Wasn't there another thread the other day where someone shared an article about how some feminists are of the opinion that patriarchy isn't really a bad thing?
It's toxic masculinity abi na toxic patriarchy that's bad... I can't even keep up with their phrases anymore.

See Bukky, lots of these modern feminists simply don't have sense.

They have finally realized they can't cope when it comes to standing on equal footing with men in EVERY aspect of life.

As for Pete Edochie, I do not hold brief for him.

Heterodox:
10% of my intelligence is greater than 100% of yours. Find your Alpha mates.

AmuRubber:




Pete Edochie has six children — five sons and a daughter.

bukatyne:


For an acclaimed man of vision, you are very presumptuous.

Obi1kenobi:


Who said anything about feminism bringing wealth to Western societies? Which feminist blames capitalism for female oppression? What is the relevance of patriarchy to capitalism? What exactly is there to learn from prosperous Arab countries other than the fact if you have a lot of oil and a small population, any country can be rich? Is it Saudi Arabia where women almost have the same legal status as children that we're supposed to learn from. Is that your ideal society for your sister or your mother?

Ladycewhy:
I am asking you about Nigeria. Tell us about Nigeria please.Alimony ,child support and all that is alien to us , so what then is the incentive that is making Nigerian women abandon their marriages ?

Obi1kenobi:


No fool who justifies violence against women deserves respect. If he chooses to disrespect women, there is no foul in returning the same energy he wants to channel out.



Culture is not something stamped on people by invisible hands. It's the way a society chooses to live. To justify grotesque anachronisms as "culture" would be as silly as justifying slavery, human sacrifice etc as culture. Culture changes all the time as societies evolve. Christianity is a recent import into Nigeria. Why not reject it because it was not the "culture" of your ancestors?



Black people wear Western clothes, observe Western religion, speak Western languages, use Western technology (like both of us typing here on Western originated tech). How convenient that we only remember our own regressive culture when it comes to subduing women as door mats who serve at the pleasure and will of their male masters. Culture my arse. If feminism is not "something black people are known for", does that make it illegitimate? Is that a rational basis for evaluating the net good of feminism to the society?

Plenty of women don't "leave their parents" to meet their husband. Plenty are independent working professionals. If he married a housewife who he took from her parents, it doesn't mean every woman is one and he may have to readjust his dinosaur mentality to the realities of the modern world.



Every adult in our culture, man or woman, single or married, can do as they like within the ambit of the law. So it's not for him to dictate anything under the weaselly toga of "culture". If one can't win the respect of their wives, that speaks to their own failings as men. Not for a dinosaur to be justifying violence against women because of "feminism".

BLOODYSPERM:




Many factors, Feminism is one of them, domestic violence caused or not caused by Feminism is another, infidelity, irreconcilable differences , etc

Ladycewhy:
In the list I still don't see the incentives tho.

DamnnNiggarr:
Feminist group tackles Pete Edochie over ‘misogynistic rants’



https://www.today.ng/news/nigeria/feminist-group-tackles-pete-edochie-misogynistic-rants-356513/amp?__twitter_impression=true

Obi1kenobi:


No fool who justifies violence against women deserves respect. If he chooses to disrespect women, there is no foul in returning the same energy he wants to channel out.



Culture is not something stamped on people by invisible hands. It's the way a society chooses to live. To justify grotesque anachronisms as "culture" would be as silly as justifying slavery, human sacrifice etc as culture. Culture changes all the time as societies evolve. Christianity is a recent import into Nigeria. Why not reject it because it was not the "culture" of your ancestors?



Black people wear Western clothes, observe Western religion, speak Western languages, use Western technology (like both of us typing here on Western originated tech). How convenient that we only remember our own regressive culture when it comes to subduing women as door mats who serve at the pleasure and will of their male masters. Culture my arse. If feminism is not "something black people are known for", does that make it illegitimate? Is that a rational basis for evaluating the net good of feminism to the society?

Plenty of women don't "leave their parents" to meet their husband. Plenty are independent working professionals. If he married a housewife who he took from her parents, it doesn't mean every woman is one and he may have to readjust his dinosaur mentality to the realities of the modern world.



Every adult in our culture, man or woman, single or married, can do as they like within the ambit of the law. So it's not for him to dictate anything under the weaselly toga of "culture". If one can't win the respect of their wives, that speaks to their own failings as men. Not for a dinosaur to be justifying violence against women because of "feminism".

BLOODYSPERM:



That's why divorce is unpopular and frowned upon in our culture, but it is a common norm in western societies


One of the true benefits of patriachy

Ladycewhy:
Lol, but divorce was unpopular because;


The woman is shamed.
Is turned back by her family.
Should her family dare t support ,in some tribes , the family is ostracized.
Is compelled and restrained by religion and traditions.( you and I know what brainwashing from both can control the entire being of a human being).


If Nigerian women dont have incentives like western women but are still willing to leave their marriges , shouldn't that tell alot about the quality of men ? The Nigerians I know don't take time to nuture their sons to better humans all in the name of "na man".

BLOODYSPERM:




These is speculation but let me assume it is true, what of the destruction of family values in western societies due to the encouragement of single motherhood

I reject single motherhood as it is associated with criminals, drug abusers, illiteracy, prisoners especially in black American communities

There is no excuse for such nonsense
Under Patriachy it would never be tolerated talkless of becoming a Norm

ShaqFu:
Ogun kee you wey na lizard born. Bastard offspring of a thief like you. Thunder faya you and that finger wey you use take type nonsense.

Ladycewhy:
We are still discussing Nigeria, please try to stay focused .


If you say single mother hood is associated with criminals ,drug pushers ,illteracy,pray tell what then is responsible for terrorism, ritual killings, Nigerians rotting away in foreign prisons , Nigerian being killed every now and then for drugs, Nigeria having the highest rate of out of school children etc.

BLOODYSPERM:




Arab societies have strong family units
UAE,Qatar, Turkey have strong economies and real estate and traditional businesses can be learnt even Nigeria can emulate their tourism sector and develop ours , Feminism is a cultural marxist ideology of class warfare between male and females,the early suffragette movement were like terrorists, Saudi Arabia is extremely Patriachal due it's Islamic wahabbi doctrine but women in their Society are not complaining but they are rather following the teachings of the Quran


Men built the mordern world ,women call it Patriachy because the wealthiest in the world are men

Obi1kenobi:


No fool who justifies violence against women deserves respect. If he chooses to disrespect women, there is no foul in returning the same energy he wants to channel out.



Culture is not something stamped on people by invisible hands. It's the way a society chooses to live. To justify grotesque anachronisms as "culture" would be as silly as justifying slavery, human sacrifice etc as culture. Culture changes all the time as societies evolve. Christianity is a recent import into Nigeria. Why not reject it because it was not the "culture" of your ancestors?



Black people wear Western clothes, observe Western religion, speak Western languages, use Western technology (like both of us typing here on Western originated tech). How convenient that we only remember our own regressive culture when it comes to subduing women as door mats who serve at the pleasure and will of their male masters. Culture my arse. If feminism is not "something black people are known for", does that make it illegitimate? Is that a rational basis for evaluating the net good of feminism to the society?

Plenty of women don't "leave their parents" to meet their husband. Plenty are independent working professionals. If he married a housewife who he took from her parents, it doesn't mean every woman is one and he may have to readjust his dinosaur mentality to the realities of the modern world.



Every adult in our culture, man or woman, single or married, can do as they like within the ambit of the law. So it's not for him to dictate anything under the weaselly toga of "culture". If one can't win the respect of their wives, that speaks to their own failings as men. Not for a dinosaur to be justifying violence against women because of "feminism".

BLOODYSPERM:




Tell that to the fatherless bastards who became prisoners, criminals and gangsters in Western Societies whom allowed to culture of single motherhood and encouraged the destruction of the homes

Obi1kenobi:


Turkey is not an Arab country. The UAE has more than double Nigeria's crude exports with a population of less than 9 million people. Qatar is the world's largest exporter of natural gas with a population smaller than Alimosho LGA in Lagos. There's nothing to learn other than if you're swimming in petrodollars, you're going to be rich. Saudi Arabian women are not complaining - you asked them and they told you, abi? You've gone to their prisons where women have been incarcerated for not wearing hijabs or for social activism promoting their civil liberties and they told you they're not complaining, abi?

Ah......."cultural marxist". Just repeating the favorite buzzwords of people who read Breitbart and watch Fox News. Whether men built the modern world or not is besides the point. Women are here to add their quota. White men believe they built the modern world and I don't see that stopping any black man from pursuing his dreams.