samuk:
[s]Tao is the only left carrying the Yoruba lies, even those that used to cheer her on and insult on her behalf have all abandoned her.[/s]

You are a fraud. You know you are a fraud. I know you are fraud. The world is realizing that you are a fraud.

Stop ranting.

TAO11:
You are a fraud. You know you are a fraud. I know you are fraud. The world is realizing that you are a fraud.

Stop ranting.

And the whole world have been watching u argue and deny Great Benin history and will continue to watch u many more years to come arguing foolishly..
Your pain is never ending lol..

davidnazee:
[s]And the whole world have been watching u argue and deny Great Benin history and will continue to watch u many more years to come arguing foolishly..
Your pain is never ending lol.. [/s]

Is this the best you can do to undo the damage I have done to your gReAt hIsToRy?

TAO11:
You are a fraud. You know you are a fraud. I know you are fraud. The world is realizing that you are a fraud.

Stop ranting.

It's very painful when you are the only one left carrying the Yoruba cross of lies. Sorry ooo, they have all left you behind.

samuk:
[s]It's very painful when you are the only one left carrying the Yoruba cross of lies. Sorry ooo, they have all left you behind. [/s]

Don’t you think it would have been an ‘unfair murder’ if it was more than one person consistently murdering your gReAt hIstOrY?

Don’t you think so?

TAO11:
Is this the best you can do to undo the damage I have done to your gReAt hIsToRy?

Nah u didn't do no damage.. kids born tomorrow will still be taught Benin kingdom was great and it conquered and ruled yoruba territories for over 700years and it founded and owned lagos.. they will also be taught oduduwa was a myth, ife was a myth and oyo was in ruins when it was known to the world..
That is history, African history for u..

davidnazee:
[s]Nah u didn't do no damage.. kids born tomorrow will still be taught Benin kingdom was great and it conquered and ruled yoruba territories for over 700years and it founded and owned lagos.. they will also be taught oduduwa was a myth, ife was a myth and oyo was in ruins when it was known to the world..
That is history, African history for u..[/s]

Mtchew! All these rants I have debunked. Refer to ‘past questions’. LMAO!


Anyways, wake me up whenever you can do more than a dead rat.

TAO11:
Mtvhew! All these rants I have debunked. Refer to past questions.


Anyways, wake me up whenever you can do more than a dead rat.

Your lies doesn't go past nairaland pages.. Nigerians all know Nigeria's history.. lies from an embarrassed and ashamed yoruba can't change what is general knowledge..
Dont worry, when u are 80yrs old u will still be arguing Great Benin history..

TAO11:

Don’t you think it would have been an ‘unfair murder’ if it was more than one person consistently murdering your gReAt hIstOrY?

Don’t you think so?

Slave descendant here is your history..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llporKrPsbU

davidnazee:
[s]Your lies doesn't go past nairaland pages.. Nigerians all know Nigeria's history.. lies from an embarrassed and ashamed yoruba can't change what is general knowledge..
Dont worry, when u are 80yrs old u will still be arguing Great Benin history..[/s]

I said wake me up whenever you can do more than a dead rat.

When did I permit you to rant?

davidnazee:
[s]Slave descendant here is your history..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIporKrPsbU[/s]

Oh ye, descendant of slaves of the Yorubas, I see you’re in severe pains.

Your videos have also been debunked. Refer to past questions at the link below.

https://www.nairaland.com/6468478/why-onitsha-not-igboland-it/6#100311695

TAO11:

I said wake me up whenever you can do more than a dead rat.

When did I permit you to rant?

If 4 lines is ranting, then what is your long epistles called? Pain and tears?
Anyways here is your history of pain..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llporKrPsbU

TAO11:
I see you’re in severe pains.

This has also been debunked. Refer to past questions at the link below.

https://www.nairaland.com/6468478/why-onitsha-not-igboland-it/6#100311695

Debunked by you? Lol

davidnazee:
[s]If 4 lines is ranting, then what is your long epistles called? Pain and tears?
Anyways here is your history of pain..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIporKrPsbU[/s]

Oh you’re denying being in severe pains? LMAO!

https://www.nairaland.com/6468478/why-onitsha-not-igboland-it/6#100311695

davidnazee:
Debunked by you? Lol

Yes!

Here is a tiny part of the comment for your enjoyment. Don’t blame me for this.

“(1) Regarding your bitter lies about the trans-Atlantic slave trade, the following piece-by-piece devastating refutation should make you consider suicide again:

(A) Contrary to your ignorance, slaves were not taken from “all across Africa”. Rather, slaves were taken from Central Africa and West Africa — including Edo people raided by Ibadan invaders).

(B) Contrary to your ignorance, the Yoruba people have
been known by the name “Yoruba” in their present home for centuries prior to the commencement of the return of ex-slaves.

We know this because the process of returning ex-slaves back to West Africa didn’t begin until the late-1700s.

Whereas, there are manuscripts from the early-1600s which list Yorubas (by their name “Yoruba” ) among some of the ethnic groups of our region.

This manuscript written by Ahmed Baba in 1615 is attached below; and the name “Yoruba” is shown in red highlight among the other ethnic groups as can be seen in the original and the translation.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12934148_5117c6d550154217817d7c66b5fa0fe6_jpeg_jpeg2a73d5172c14cf7a7da91ff200688e3e

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12934147_3336ed29985b499e82c4e140b455b9fa_jpeg_jpeg62ecafabb59c692d4ba471597fdf16bb

This translation was prepared by John Hunwick and Fatima Harrak for The Institute of African Studies Rabat, Morocco

Oh, I should add that we know that this manuscript was written by Ahmad Baba in the year 1615 because he himself penned his date as highlighted (in the attached verso) below:

www.nairaland.com/attachments/13082305_6e49d8d129844a578af9272699e1586a_jpeg_jpeg2d5891d724a6428e2c0f4e6898bd60cc

The highlight here literally shows the wording “(the year) one thousand and twenty four (of the Hijrah)”.

When converted from this Hijri “AH” calendar into our Gregorian “AD” calendar; the year 1024 AH falls into the year 1615 AD

The formula “D = 0.9692*H + 622” proves practically useful for this conversion.

In sum, your falsehood that returned-slaves (from all across Africa) are what became known as Yorubas is nothing but a but-hurt lie from a depressed bald-head.


(C) These ex-slaves who were of West African descent and Central African descent were repatriated directly to Sierra-Leone and Liberia.

Some began a new life there, while some decided to go back to their actual homeland from which they were originally taken.

An important example here is the Bishop Samuel Adjai Crowther who was taken from Oṣoogun in present-day Oyo state.

Nobody was repatriated to south-West Nigeria, bald-head.

A number of Yorubas among the returnees chose to return back to Yorubaland — just as many others returned to their respective original homeland.

(2) The only ethnic-group that I know of who were too weak to fight their way to freedom and be returned to Africa are the Edos.

And I know this is precisely where your bitterness and misery comes from. Your people were subjected fully in the Americas as the natural slaves that they are.

They couldn’t think of returning until about 400 years later when their descendants took it upon themselves to leverage on the science of Genetics as a guide to finding their way back to Benin Kingdom. See embedded video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxDve0rwQbM

The two attachments below also shows some earlier corroborative confessions made available to Bradbury by the Edos themselves.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12996709_af6378be36104010b036a2f7ab4096cd_jpeg_jpeg07ca8a3f5b191f4126cdcd6bf2f7faf7

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12996710_b28de88ee10a4b7a83b95532f6609396_jpeg_jpegaca1a6203806c9d893c79b42b9a6c76e

Cheers!”

TAO11:
Oh you’re denying to be in severe pains?

https://www.nairaland.com/6468478/why-onitsha-not-igboland-it/6#100311695

You cannot run away from your history..
Find below true account of the yoruba beginnings..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llporKrPsbU

davidnazee:
[s]You cannot run away from your history..
Find below true account of the yoruba beginnings..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIporKrPsbU[/s]

Debunked!

But here is your slave-history for your enjoyment. There is no escape.

“(2) The only enslaved ethnic-group who were too weak to fight their way to freedom and be returned to Africa are the Edos.

And I know this is precisely where your bitterness and misery comes from. Your people were subjected fully in the Americas as the natural slaves that they are.

They couldn’t think of returning until about 400 years later when their descendants took it upon themselves to leverage on the science of Genetics as a guide to finding their way back to Benin Kingdom. See embedded video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxDve0rwQbM

The two attachments below also shows some earlier corroborative confessions made available to Bradbury by the Edos themselves.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12996709_af6378be36104010b036a2f7ab4096cd_jpeg_jpeg07ca8a3f5b191f4126cdcd6bf2f7faf7

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12996710_b28de88ee10a4b7a83b95532f6609396_jpeg_jpegaca1a6203806c9d893c79b42b9a6c76e

Cheers!”

TAO11:
Yes!

Here is a tiny part of the comment for your enjoyment. Don’t blame me for this.

“(1) Regarding your bitter lies about the trans-Atlantic slave trade, the following piece-by-piece devastating refutation should make you consider suicide again:

(A) Contrary to your ignorance, slaves were not taken from “all across Africa”. Rather, slaves were taken from Central Africa and West Africa — including Edo people raided by Ibadan invaders).

(B) Contrary to your ignorance, the Yoruba people have
been known by the name “Yoruba” in their present home for centuries prior to the commencement of the return of ex-slaves.

We know this because the process of returning ex-slaves back to West Africa didn’t begin until the late-1700s.

Whereas, there are manuscripts from the early-1600s which list Yorubas (by their name “Yoruba” ) among some of the ethnic groups of our region.

This manuscript written by Ahmed Baba in 1615 is attached below; and the name “Yoruba” is shown in red highlight among the other ethnic groups as can be seen in the original and the translation.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12934148_5117c6d550154217817d7c66b5fa0fe6_jpeg_jpeg2a73d5172c14cf7a7da91ff200688e3e

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12934147_3336ed29985b499e82c4e140b455b9fa_jpeg_jpeg62ecafabb59c692d4ba471597fdf16bb

This translation was prepared by John Hunwick and Fatima Harrak for The Institute of African Studies Rabat, Morocco

Oh, I should add that we know that this manuscript was written by Ahmad Baba in the year 1615 because he himself penned his date as highlighted (in the attached verso) below:

www.nairaland.com/attachments/13082305_6e49d8d129844a578af9272699e1586a_jpeg_jpeg2d5891d724a6428e2c0f4e6898bd60cc

The highlight here literally shows the wording “(the year) one thousand and twenty four (of the Hijrah)”.

When converted from this Hijri “AH” calendar into our Gregorian “AD” calendar; the year 1024 AH falls into the year 1615 AD

The formula “D = 0.9692*H + 622” proves practically useful for this conversion.

In sum, your falsehood that returned-slaves (from all across Africa) are what became known as Yorubas is nothing but a but-hurt lie from a depressed bald-head.


(C) These ex-slaves who were of West African descent and Central African descent were repatriated directly to Sierra-Leone and Liberia.

Some began a new life there, while some decided to go back to their actual homeland from which they were originally taken.

An important example here is the Bishop Samuel Adjai Crowther who was taken from Oṣoogun in present-day Oyo state.

Nobody was repatriated to south-West Nigeria, bald-head.

A number of Yorubas among the returnees chose to return back to Yorubaland — just as many others returned to their respective original homeland.

(2) The only ethnic-group that I know of who were too weak to fight their way to freedom and be returned to Africa are the Edos.

And I know this is precisely where your bitterness and misery comes from. Your people were subjected fully in the Americas as the natural slaves that they are.

They couldn’t think of returning until about 400 years later when their descendants took it upon themselves to leverage on the science of Genetics as a guide to finding their way back to Benin Kingdom. See embedded video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxDve0rwQbM

The two attachments below also shows some earlier corroborative confessions made available to Bradbury by the Edos themselves.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12996709_af6378be36104010b036a2f7ab4096cd_jpeg_jpeg07ca8a3f5b191f4126cdcd6bf2f7faf7

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12996710_b28de88ee10a4b7a83b95532f6609396_jpeg_jpegaca1a6203806c9d893c79b42b9a6c76e

Cheers!”

What does your long epistle have to do with your origins?
Ahmed Baba didnt write the name Yoruba in his manuscript.. the translators put that there for convenience sake..
Europeans that visited your lands during in that century ever used the word Yoruba..

Anyways watch again ur history of pain..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llporKrPsbU

davidnazee:
[s]What does your long epistle have to do with your origins?
Ahmed Baba didnt write the name Yoruba in his manuscript.. the translators put that there for convenience sake.. Europeans that visited your lands during in that century ever used the word Yoruba..[/s]

This one is the dumbest of all Benin mugus.

You should probably go back to elementary school and learn the meaning of the word “translation”.

+ I know Arabic while you and your brothers don’t.

Also, name us the Europeans who penetrated into Yorubaland around the year 1600. LMAO!

Your video (which is your last hope of consolation) is therefore debunked into pieces. Sorry!

[s]Anyways watch again ur history of pain..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIporKrPsbU[/s]

Take your history as it is jarey. Love it and embrace it.

“(2) The only enslaved ethnic-group who were too weak to fight their way to freedom and be returned to Africa are the Edos.

And I know this is precisely where your bitterness and misery comes from. Your people were subjected fully in the Americas as the natural slaves that they are.

They couldn’t think of returning until about 400 years later when their descendants took it upon themselves to leverage on the science of Genetics as a guide to finding their way back to Benin Kingdom. See embedded video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxDve0rwQbM

The two attachments below also shows some earlier corroborative confessions made available to Bradbury by the Edos themselves.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12996709_af6378be36104010b036a2f7ab4096cd_jpeg_jpeg07ca8a3f5b191f4126cdcd6bf2f7faf7

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12996710_b28de88ee10a4b7a83b95532f6609396_jpeg_jpegaca1a6203806c9d893c79b42b9a6c76e

Cheers!”

TAO11:
This one is the dumbest of all Benin mugus.

You should probably go back to elementary school and learn the meaning of the word “translation”.

+ I know Arabic you and your brothers don’t.

And also name us the Europeans who penetrated Yorubaland in the 1600s. LMAO!

Your video (which is your last hope of consolation) is therefore debunked into pieces. Sorry!

Take your history as it is jarey. Love it and embrace it.

“(2) The only enslaved ethnic-group who were too weak to fight their way to freedom and be returned to Africa are the Edos.

And I know this is precisely where your bitterness and misery comes from. Your people were subjected fully in the Americas as the natural slaves that they are.

They couldn’t think of returning until about 400 years later when their descendants took it upon themselves to leverage on the science of Genetics as a guide to finding their way back to Benin Kingdom. See embedded video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxDve0rwQbM

The two attachments below also shows some earlier corroborative confessions made available to Bradbury by the Edos themselves.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12996709_af6378be36104010b036a2f7ab4096cd_jpeg_jpeg07ca8a3f5b191f4126cdcd6bf2f7faf7

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12996710_b28de88ee10a4b7a83b95532f6609396_jpeg_jpegaca1a6203806c9d893c79b42b9a6c76e

Cheers!”

You know Arabic lol..

davidnazee:
You know Arabic lol..

Yes I do.

You don’t know Arabic? NO you don’t

TAO11:
Yes!

You don’t know Arabic? YES

If u like continue to lie to yourself and your fellow Yorubas..
Ahmad Baba didnt write the name Yoruba in his manuscript.. the translators put that there because they figured he was referring to the group known as yoruba..
The yoruba name wasnt in existence that time..

Watch again your history


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llporKrPsbU

davidnazee:
If u like continue to lie to yourself and your fellow Yorubas..
Ahmad Baba didnt write the name Yoruba in his manuscript.. the translators put that there because they figured he was referring to the group known as yoruba. The yoruba name wasnt in existence that time.

If you like continue living in pain and denial due to inferiority complex.

Ahmad Baba listed “Yoruba” among the other ethnic groups as you can see for yourself in the manuscript. Oh sorry you can’t read Arabic. Whereas, I can.
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12934148_5117c6d550154217817d7c66b5fa0fe6_jpeg_jpeg2a73d5172c14cf7a7da91ff200688e3e

Well, the translators have translated it also using English language and roman orthography. Oh sorry, you have no clue what the word “translation” means.
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12934147_3336ed29985b499e82c4e140b455b9fa_jpeg_jpeg62ecafabb59c692d4ba471597fdf16bb

[s]Watch again your history


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIporKrPsbU[/s]

I can imagine the disappointment which hit you when your video was easily debunked.

Anyways, here is your history of how the Yorubas sold your daddies and mommies into slavery.

“(2) The only enslaved ethnic-group who were too weak to fight their way to freedom and be returned to Africa are the Edos.

And I know this is precisely where your bitterness and misery comes from. Your people were subjected fully in the Americas as the natural slaves that they are.

They couldn’t think of returning until about 400 years later when their descendants took it upon themselves to leverage on the science of Genetics as a guide to finding their way back to Benin Kingdom. See embedded video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxDve0rwQbM

The two attachments below also shows some earlier corroborative confessions made available to Bradbury by the Edos themselves.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12996709_af6378be36104010b036a2f7ab4096cd_jpeg_jpeg07ca8a3f5b191f4126cdcd6bf2f7faf7

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12996710_b28de88ee10a4b7a83b95532f6609396_jpeg_jpegaca1a6203806c9d893c79b42b9a6c76e

Cheers!”

Fezz:


Samuk, I have studied your write ups for a while now and I must admit you are one of the smartest Benin supporters in this forum. You pay attention and you study people a lot before you respond. That is an act of wisdom so keep it up.

You nailed my points. Benin city is just a fraction of the great Benin empire. It is only wise for Benin historians to know about the history of the Benin empire and all the clans within the empire and don't just focus on Edo alone.

The Yorubas best the benins in arguments not because their history is authentic but because they have studied their personal weaknesses, they have studied their opponents history and also they depend a lot onicer team work.

The benins history is so pure and genuine, but you need to have a deeper knowledge of the Benin empire as a whole and also study the Yoruba history as well because their history is flawed and very shallow. You can easily pick up errors from their history.

For example, Akka as you mentioned was the first son of pa Idu and the edo speaking tribe originated from akka and that is why till today the Urhobos call the Edo speaking people Akka. The Urhobos descended from Ihobo and they are all brothers. Other descendants of Pa Idu are efa and emehi, and their descendants are the esans, afemai etc. They all lived together as one family before they spread across the edo/delta region.

So can you see why it's good to study the pre-historic era of other clans such as the Urhobos etc because they will fill up the missing links of your history. It is true that the likes of the esans and Urhobos migrated to their present locations during internal wars or other disputes in Benin kingdom but you should realise that they migrated to those lands already inhabited by their ancestors that they were family with (efa, emehi, Ihobo)etc

The Yorubas are taking advantage of loopholes. For example, do you know that ubini was not derived from ile-ibinu as the yorubas usually say. Ubini has always been known as another name for igodomigo since the era of the ogisos. Ubini means "place of inexhaustible resources". Oranmiyan could not speak Edo language and that is why he mispronounced ile- ubini for ile-ibinu But the yorubas have hammered on that error and tried to use it to their advantage.

Thanks for your observations and kind words.

samuk:


Thanks for your observations and kind words.

You are welcome Sam...

Cheers!

TAO11, you becoming boring and loosing followership, soon your relevance would go extinct


Bring something new the table

gregyboy:
TAO11, you becoming boring and loosing followership, soon your relevance would go extinct


Bring something new the table

My ‘followers’ increase everyday almost by the hour.

If that satisfies your curiosity.

Bring a new Benin lie, and I will debunk with something new.

You all have be recycling your old Benin lies.

gomojam:
Hmmmm nice. Are you from Delta too?

No, I’m not.

TAO11 Please fire on jare!

Can you imagine all these guys being shot down one by one, in battalions as much as they come.

TAO11, I do not know how you do it. This must take a great deal of work in research.

Please save all of them for a book. Unborn generation must read your book.

As always, Thanks A Million

TAO11:
My ‘followers’ increase everyday almost by the hour.

If that satisfies your curiosity.

googi:
TAO11 Please fire on jare!

Can you imagine all these guys being shot down one by one, in battalions as much as they come.

TAO11, I do not know how you do it. This must take a great deal of work in research.

Please save all of them for a book. Unborn generation must read your book.

As always, Thanks A Million

Thank you sir.

TAO11:
LMAO! You’re right though /s. Robert Sydney Smith is a well known Yoruba revisionist. /s

I would love ❤️ to be shown this golden source of yours which eXpOsEs the Yorubas’s WeLl pLanNeD aGeNdA.

But don’t you think a WeLl pLaNnEd aGeNdA would actually deny having any such relationship with Benin instead of saying bodies go to Benin? Just saying. Lol.

What kind of WeLl pLaNnEd aGeNdA is this? But I would wait on your evidence of this WeLl pLaNnEd aGeNdA sha.

Lol.

This link says it all. The oba of Benin telling the whole world were Oduduwa hails from, and your ooni (the custodian of yoruba history) was right there. The Benins are not out there to force their history on anyone because the Benins make history, they don't tell stories. That's the difference between the Benins and the yorubas. The yorubas are good story tellers.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuhewZPbTsQ

Fezz:


I have observed you for a while and to be honest I don't see you as a smart guy. Your rivals are attacking you left, right and centre and all you observed on this thread is to attack me. You are funny. Let me give you words of advise here, it's left for you to heed to my advise or not. It's better for you to go and study the foundational history of other kingdoms under the benin empire such as the urohbos, esans etc. This might shed more light on the missing links that the benins need to have a upper hand against their rivals. Your knowledge on benin history is too narrow and the yorubas are taking advantage of your narrow knowledge.

There is one thing you should understand, the yorubas are hell bent on destroying the benin Kingdom history, they don't mind telling all the lies in this world to accomplish that goal. They are playing dirty and they are quite determined to succeed.

I'm sure you have noticed that its not just the ile-ifes that are debunking the benin history. Everyone of the yoruba tribes are working together to obliterate the benin history out of the history books , but all I see on nairaland is the benins (edo speakers) trying to fight this media war all by themselves. My advise to you is to go and meet your afemai brothers, the esans etc... come together, broaden your knowledge, connect all the missing dots with facts and hit the yorubas hard.

The yorubas have studied benin history to a very large extent and their sole aim to debunk and discredit benin history so that when Nigeria finally divides they will claim the heritage of the benin Kingdom. So you better wise up and step up your game.

Go and do your research on the founding fathers of igodomigodo and you will come across pa idu. Don't attack me next time because I'm not the enemy. Wise up

these small people are so paranoid. Imagine this little man thinks Yoruba are his rivals
Don't flatter yourself, Yoruba nation is too large and too powerful to consider you a rival
Inferiority complex be gripping these Bini folks