This life , once you don’t know , you will pay for it . Knowledge is power
The reason this thread is vital is for that purpose , the reason also some of us come to check ways to improve our build and reduce cost
for my build to be commissioned soon brought in all the Acs from china , same with most electrical fitting
Was given quotes for spot lights etc last month , took about 2 weeks for it to land from Dubai , all at less than half the price
Only bought one generator in Nigeria in the last 20 years and that only as a courtesy to my dads friend that was into generator sales , in that period must have bought close to 15 , some as big as 1375kva , the reason is obvious
I don’t begrudge anybody selling at incredible prices , responsibility lies on you to seek alternative , he get where we too dey hammer
Hmmmm if I get you clearly sir, are you trans shipping from china to Dubai to Nigeria? . If you don't mind can you share more information on how this works?
kopell: I hope you all understand they are not shipping to you the same quality as the other parts of the world once they know the shipping destination, especially Nigeria. This is due to the failure of our agencies and regulators, it is our people that always request for substandard products to maximize their profit. From experience most of these giant manufactures in china don't even take less than 100 pieces in most of their orders, and if they do they charge you extra fee. Aliexpress are the one that deal with retail and their shipments could take forever, even their prices is not as cheap as Alibaba.
Some of what you posted above is misinformation.
Close (if not more) to 50% of world supplies come from China.
They have standard and what most importers to Nigeria do is to tell manufacturers the standard they want. So if you see fake items from China, it's the standard requested that was produced
There are some merchants on Alibaba that sell in small quantities. Yes AliExpress is the retail market, while Alibaba is for wholesalers. Hence, for building projects that you need items in Large items for, you can buy through Alibaba and for smaller quantities, you can use Ali Express.
Also, AliExpress don't take forever to ship. One or two merchants can delay, but over 50% of them keep to time.
In the last 5 years, I've had the opportunity of buying items myself from over 6 countries and I can tell you they have original items and less original.
Truth be told, China is a blessing to Nigerians.
When you go to Mushin or Orílè and people tell this door is from Turkey, it's a lie. It's from China, but the design is what they use in Turkey, hence they call is 'Turkey door'
This Stainless steel handrail is from Turkey, in fact, they would write Turkey on it, but it's from China.
Let's do a test using Lagos as case study.
The major markets are: Lagos Island(Adeniji, Idumagbo, Jankara, oroyinyin) Orile Mushin Kétu Alaba
70% or more of the socket, Fan, Electric kettles, iron, lights, doors, cartridge for printers, etc are from China
kopell: Hmmmm if I get you clearly sir, are you trans shipping from china to Dubai to Nigeria? . If you don't mind can you share more information on how this works?
Don’t get what u mean by transshipment
There is direct shipment of cargo from china either by sea or air , there are Nigerian agents that do this and have warehouses in china esp guanzhou , do both regularly apart from my own normal full container imports
Someone posted a number , am assuming that’s one
From Dubai same apply , I did air cargo , they will handle all freight and custom issues , you only need to pick up in the Nigerian office or warehouse
This life , once you don’t know , you will pay for it . Knowledge is power
The reason this thread is vital is for that purpose , the reason also some of us come to check ways to improve our build and reduce cost
for my build to be commissioned soon brought in all the Acs from china , same with most electrical fitting
Was given quotes for spot lights etc last month , took about 2 weeks for it to land from Dubai , all at less than half the price
Only bought one generator in Nigeria in the last 20 years and that only as a courtesy to my dads friend that was into generator sales , in that period must have bought close to 15 , some as big as 1375kva , the reason is obvious
I don’t begrudge anybody selling at incredible prices , responsibility lies on you to seek alternative , he get where we too dey hammer
What's lacking is the knowledge about things, if not Nigerians would not be paying as much as we're paying for items.
The 10 lights that I bought for $21 which a Nigerian advertising 1 of it for ₦10,000 is more than enough of things not right in our market.
When we Nigerians stop buying expensive things and start importing, the sellers would be forced to drop their prices.
Close (if not more) to 50% of world supplies come from China.
They have standard and what most importers to Nigeria do is to tell manufacturers the standard they want. So if you see fake items from China, it's the standard requested that was produced
There are some merchants on Alibaba that sell in small quantities. Yes AliExpress is the retail market, while Alibaba is for wholesalers. Hence, for building projects that you need items in Large items for, you can buy through Alibaba and for smaller quantities, you can use Ali Express.
Also, AliExpress don't take forever to ship. One or two merchants can delay, but over 50% of them keep to time.
In the last 5 years, I've had the opportunity of buying items myself from over 6 countries and I can tell you they have original items and less original.
Truth be told, China is a blessing to Nigerians.
When you go to Mushin or Orílè and people tell this door is from Turkey, it's a lie. It's from China, but the design is what they use in Turkey, hence they call is 'Turkey door'
This Stainless steel handrail is from Turkey, in fact, they would write Turkey on it, but it's from China.
Let's do a test using Lagos as case study.
The major markets are: Lagos Island(Adeniji, Idumagbo, Jankara, oroyinyin) Orile Mushin Kétu Alaba
70% or more of the socket, Fan, Electric kettles, iron, lights, doors, cartridge for printers, etc are from China
Let's just even increase everything, this takes us to ₦5,000 per unit.
At ₦5,000 per unit he's making over 50% as profit.
₦10,000 per item is greed
Out of curiousity sir...based on your calculations,these items are they duty-free?? Do they go through normal customs evaluation routes or the shipping agent bypass that route by misleading customs of total cost based on devaluation.....did you factor this in your calculation?
Flat roof is cheap not relative to itself but relative to hip roof, gable roof or hip and valley roof.
If this same roof is done to standard for a hip roof or gable roof or hip and valley roof with same material, your cost outlay will be more.
Don't get me wrong, flat roof has its purpose and relevance in some situations but done to standard or not, technically speaking, flat roof has a higher propensity to fail periodically over time than hip roof for example.
Flat roof na high maintenance babe.
I agree with you, some of these designs are prompt to specific climes,.places like the Uk where a rain for one day in Nigeria takes two years to fall here U come carry ur hand go build basement for lekki unto say you see am for London!
Please, I am now worried with the way some of you are against flat roof.
Can you tell me why I should think twice?
Forget aesthetics for now as it is a personal thing. Let's dwell on technical practicability:
Flat roof will fail periodically over time far more than hip roof.
As a result of the above, flat roof is high maintenance.
If you must do flat roof, be prepared to spend more for industrial grade sheets well above 0.55mm. A flat roof with 0.55m sheets is a mickey mouse set up technically speaking.
As a result of the above again, flat roof is NOT cheaper than hip roof over time. It is a false economy.
Flat roof is bad for your mental health and for the environment. A flat roof home is hotter, noiser when it rains and you need air conditioner more than hip roof to feel whole in your home. A warm/hot home affects your mental health. You are more likely to be stressed and angrier than normal. It is your home playing tricks on you.
Your wife or you (whoever does the most cooking at home) will continually be stressed using the kitchen because of the added heat from the roof. The kitchen is a furnace and a nightmare in flat roof homes. It is difficult to feel whole in such a kitchen.
It is good advice to go for PROPER roof design. All these flat roof in a tropical climate like ours in the name of modernity and minimalism na wash. Don't skimp on your foundation, decking and roof. Find the savings elsewhere in the build through cost effeciency during painting and decoration stage.
This life , once you don’t know , you will pay for it . Knowledge is power
The reason this thread is vital is for that purpose , the reason also some of us come to check ways to improve our build and reduce cost
for my build to be commissioned soon brought in all the Acs from china , same with most electrical fitting
Was given quotes for spot lights etc last month , took about 2 weeks for it to land from Dubai , all at less than half the price
Only bought one generator in Nigeria in the last 20 years and that only as a courtesy to my dads friend that was into generator sales , in that period must have bought close to 15 , some as big as 1375kva , the reason is obvious
I don’t begrudge anybody selling at incredible prices , responsibility lies on you to seek alternative, he get where we too dey hammer
There are varieties of option out there to explore. I cannot imagine the variations you’d paying on your projects if you’re not exploring the alternatives.
But as you say it sir, you win some and lose some. I can see you’re always aiming for the if wins
Forget aesthetics for now as it is a personal thing. Let's dwell on technical practicability:
Flat roof will fail periodically over time far more than hip roof.
As a result of the above, flat roof is high maintenance.
If you must do flat roof, be prepared to spend more for industrial grade sheets well above 0.55mm. A flat roof with 0.55m sheets is a mickey mouse set up technically speaking.
As a result of the above again, flat roof is NOT cheaper than hip roof over time. It is a false economy.
Flat roof is bad for your mental health and for the environment. A flat roof home is hotter, noiser when it rains and you need air conditioner more than hip roof to feel whole in your home. A warm/hot home affects your mental health. You are more likely to be stressed and angrier than normal. It is your home playing tricks on you.
Your wife or you (whoever does the most cooking at home) will continually be stressed using the kitchen because of the added heat from the roof. The kitchen is a furnace and a nightmare in flat roof homes. It is difficult to feel whole in such a kitchen.
It is good advice to go for PROPER roof design. All these flat roof in a tropical climate like ours in the name of modernity and minimalism na wash. Don't skimp on your foundation, decking and roof. Find the savings elsewhere in the build through cost effeciency during painting and decoration stage.
Thank you.
My quest for flat roof has nothing to do with saving cost because from the quote I got, it's not cheap.
Now, are you saying those disadvantages listed don't have remedies in our clime?
Close (if not more) to 50% of world supplies come from China.
They have standard and what most importers to Nigeria do is to tell manufacturers the standard they want. So if you see fake items from China, it's the standard requested that was produced
There are some merchants on Alibaba that sell in small quantities. Yes AliExpress is the retail market, while Alibaba is for wholesalers. Hence, for building projects that you need items in Large items for, you can buy through Alibaba and for smaller quantities, you can use Ali Express.
Also, AliExpress don't take forever to ship. One or two merchants can delay, but over 50% of them keep to time.
In the last 5 years, I've had the opportunity of buying items myself from over 6 countries and I can tell you they have original items and less original.
Truth be told, China is a blessing to Nigerians.
When you go to Mushin or Orílè and people tell this door is from Turkey, it's a lie. It's from China, but the design is what they use in Turkey, hence they call is 'Turkey door'
This Stainless steel handrail is from Turkey, in fact, they would write Turkey on it, but it's from China.
Let's do a test using Lagos as case study.
The major markets are: Lagos Island(Adeniji, Idumagbo, Jankara, oroyinyin) Orile Mushin Kétu Alaba
70% or more of the socket, Fan, Electric kettles, iron, lights, doors, cartridge for printers, etc are from China
The remaining 30% from all other countries
Bros i'm to old to be posting misleading information here, what I wrote here are facts. Most of those big importers from china reveled this information to me as far back as 30 years ago and they're still doing it today, I don't want to mentions names, but from cable to roofing sheets to electrical accessories, these are importers that import 10 to15 containers at once. Let me give you an example. those solar lights in Nigeria market is written 80w on them in reality it is actually 40w -60w with other stuff, even most of their accessories that was written made in UK, Turkey, etc. were just printed on it for marketing purposes, because that's what our people wanted. Those misleading printed labels on products can't happen in other parts of the world.
Not advisable at all. Especially in this part of the world. The way heat will be entering the building during the day will be too massive, and when the building discharges it at night, it won't be bearable for the inhabitants.
Now think of such a building combined with PVC low ceiling. That building is a furnace. My mental health will suffer badly in such a home. Everyone's mental health will suffer badly but most will not know it. Some will attribute it to 'home trouble' village people.
Forget aesthetics for now as it is a personal thing. Let's dwell on technical practicability:
Flat roof will fail periodically over time far more than hip roof.
As a result of the above, flat roof is high maintenance.
If you must do flat roof, be prepared to spend more for industrial grade sheets well above 0.55mm. A flat roof with 0.55m sheets is a mickey mouse set up technically speaking.
As a result of the above again, flat roof is NOT cheaper than hip roof over time. It is a false economy.
Flat roof is bad for your mental health and for the environment. A flat roof home is hotter, noiser when it rains and you need air conditioner more than hip roof to feel whole in your home. A warm/hot home affects your mental health. You are more likely to be stressed and angrier than normal. It is your home playing tricks on you.
Your wife or you (whoever does the most cooking at home) will continually be stressed using the kitchen because of the added heat from the roof. The kitchen is a furnace and a nightmare in flat roof homes. It is difficult to feel whole in such a kitchen.
It is good advice to go for PROPER roof design. All these flat roof in a tropical climate like ours in the name of modernity and minimalism na wash. Don't skimp on your foundation, decking and roof. Find the savings elsewhere in the build through cost effeciency during painting and decoration stage.
Coming from a red cap chief and pro-20ft kingpost chairmo I do not expect anything different.
However, Dubai is 35 degree celcius and almost all the modern builds in that arid zone are flat roofs.
Until some people get sense small.it is easy these days not to get duped,Do due diligence and ask questions, this has been repeated over 500 times, even that lawyer guy has a thread dedicated to this. We got good builders and very good builders here and very bad builders. We just have to be careful with whom we deal with.I am opportune to be the supplier and supervisor on my site I kid you not, I can just see how things can go terribly wrong if you are a contractor builder. My point here is simple, this issue is very old and well know, we all lashed at Brabus and moved on, However, this vendetta 2wards members here who dare to ask for this repeated talk to stop is unacceptable.I beginning to think someone somewhere is angry for a whole different reason.
This is so true. Things can go wrong!!!
Things can go terribly wrong and its nobody's fault.
*Rain falls and washes away concrete worth hundreds of thousands
*your reputable supplier refuse to supply or absconded with money
*a wrong aggregate of granite and u have to buy another.
Now think of such a building combined with PVC low ceiling. That building is a furnace. My mental health will suffer badly in such a home. Everyone's mental health will suffer badly but most will not know it. Some will attribute it to 'home trouble' village people.
Things can go terribly wrong and its nobody's fault.
*Rain falls and washes away concrete worth hundreds of thousands
*your reputable supplier refuse to supply or absconded with money
*a wrong aggregate of granite and u have to buy another.
*Even a QS estimate can go wrong
*Logistics can take 50% of your supervision fee.
Etc etc..
Me knowing what I know now, I don't think anyone can pay me enough to take the wahala that comes with being a builder, knowing myself I will flip. Typical example during my decking process I paid for a load of concrete for decking and I was supplied that small chippings I 4got the gauge now.Now this supplier is a very close friend to my Mrs if not egbe for back, she begged me to supply another load of the correct gauge and that I should pay her whenever I can for the wrong load. Now imagine if that was for a job Im doing as a contractor, N260k as at then for don get k leg and plenty explanation. here https://www.nairaland.com/2804484/diy-construction-house-ph
I agree with you, some of these designs are prompt to specific climes,.places like the Uk where a rain for one day in Nigeria takes two years to fall here U come carry ur hand go build basement for lekki unto say you see am for London!
Coming from a red cap chief and pro-20ft kingpost chairmo I do not expect anything different.
However, Dubai is 35 degree celcius and almost all the modern builds in that arid zone are flat roofs.
How are they coping with flat roofs?
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#sustainabledesigns
Read what I posted to this your question, when roof fails what does that mean? it leaks water abi?now ask yourself bross howmany rain dey fall for the whole UAE?so these kind roof suits them cos rain nor dey
There are varieties of option out there to explore. I cannot imagine the variations you’d paying on your projects if you’re not exploring the alternatives.
But as you say it sir, you win some and lose some. I can see you’re always aiming for the if wins
We try but we can’t know all and do all , at times we don’t even have the time even if you have the resources and knowledge , we can only get better with each build
Coming from a red cap chief and pro-20ft kingpost chairmo I do not expect anything different.
However, Dubai is 35 degree celcius and almost all the modern builds in that arid zone are flat roofs.
How are they coping with flat roofs?
Pics - Dubai Hills estate
#sustainabledesigns
Yes. It is flat roof as they don't get torrential downpour like we do, the roof is mostly NOT of sheets but laterite/cement mixture to mitigate the heat and because the country is not blessed like ours with good buildable land, they adopted flat roof because they sell roof spaces the way we sell land. So adopting hip roof will foreclose the opportunity to sell your roof space.
So flat roof is adopted to suit their climate and topography. We are not a desert country, at least in Southern Nigeria. We are a tropical rainforest country, we need to "send down the rain"
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Me knowing what I know now, I don't think anyone can pay me enough to take the wahala that comes with being a builder, knowing myself I will flip. Typical example during my decking process I paid for a load of concrete for decking and I was supplied that small chippings I 4got the gauge now.Now this supplier is a very close friend to my Mrs if not egbe for back, she begged me to supply another load of the correct gauge and that I should pay her whenever I can for the wrong load. Now imagine if that was for a job Im doing as a contractor, N260k as at then for don get k leg and plenty explanation. here https://www.nairaland.com/2804484/diy-construction-house-ph
Smiles.
I made a transfer of 75k to my plumbers account. Guess what? He’s owing the bank 72k... and you can guess the rest of the story.
_______ I mobilized a window fabricator with 750k to start producing windows for one of my project. He showed me pictures of the job being done and asked for more money. I sent him another 500k and hoping to balance on delivery. The guy jet out to Saudi for lesser hajj.
On getting to his shop, we discovered he was showing the same window to 3 different contractors.
Since 2014, you’d do all my finishing work on site. That’s why I’ve bought almost every tool my artisans will require to do his/her job.
_____
Even as I type I just went to buy spare circular blade for my carpenters.
Oftentimes, it’s not always about saving monies but the emotional stress.
So as kola rightly shared above there are too many things you can’t account for while handling a construction project.
Read what I posted to this your question, when roof fails what does that mean? it leaks water abi?now ask yourself bross howmany rain dey fall for the whole UAE?so these kind roof suits them cos rain nor dey
Hahaha, you're right. See life, those flat roof are never attractive to me @ all. It just like woman, some people like orobo, some like lepa, ladies in the house sorry for using these expression that who we are.
kopell: Bros i'm to old to be posting misleading information here, what I wrote here are facts. Most of those big importers from china reveled this information to me as far back as 30 years ago and they're still doing it today, I don't want to mentions names, but from cable to roofing sheets to electrical accessories, these are importers that import 10 to15 containers at once. Let me give you an example. those solar lights in Nigeria market is written 80w on them in reality it is actually 40w -60w with other stuff, even most of their accessories that was written made in UK, Turkey, etc. were just printed on it for marketing purposes, because that's what our people wanted. Those misleading printed labels on products can't happen in other parts of the world.
you're right. I was opportuned to get experience under one generator dealer in Nnewi. He will import piston from China and then the label. The piston is labelled Lister and Perkins and so is the imported label but they're China made
I made a transfer of 75k to my plumbers account. Guess what? He’s owing the bank 72k... and you can guess the rest of the story.
_______ I mobilized a window fabricator with 750k to start producing windows for one of my project. He showed me pictures of the job being done and asked for more money. I sent him another 500k and hoping to balance on delivery. The guy jet out to Saudi for lesser hajj.
On getting to his shop, we discovered he was showing the same window to 3 different contractors.
Since 2014, you’d do all my finishing work on site. That’s why I’ve bought almost every tool my artisans will require to do his/her job.
_____
Even as I type I just went to buy spare circular blade for my carpenters.
Oftentimes, it’s not always about saving monies but the emotional stress.
So as kola rightly shared above there are too many things you can’t account for while handling a construction project.
Doing business in NIgeria one has to have an open mind and a big heart to accommodate all eventualities, reason, we do not sure businesses against loss and as such we bear all losses.My friend buys car for people in Nigeria he is based I n USA, This guy bought a car for a customer $5500 in 2012 at a petrol station forecourt paid in full and went to bring a loader, B4 he came back car was gone and he had two keys o n his hand, Now tell me how does he explain that to his customer back in lagos, nah so this guy begin pay Gbese, Money wey E nor chop.We just have to pray say money we nor chop make we nor Pay ohhhh
spyder880: How can we all get back to learning how to build beautiful and cost efficient houses like we had when this thread started? Coming to this thread to read anything not connected to house building is tiring. Happy weekend everyone.
I have about 8 new build stories to add... And plenty more roofing stories...
michlins: you're right. I was opportuned to get experience under one generator dealer in Nnewi. He will import piston from China and then the label. The piston is labelled Lister and Perkins and so is the imported label but they're China made
Now you don call Piston, I dey look for one perkins Piston ohh, one of my Madam diesel Gen pack up we nor see the piston, worse case Engine and serial number nor dey the body, so an only picture we get, I dismantled the Gen just now b4 I rtn, we don find tire
spyder880: How can we all get back to learning how to build beautiful and cost efficient houses like we had when this thread started? Coming to this thread to read anything not connected to house building is tiring. Happy weekend everyone.
How could I have managed to build my house to the level it is now if not for guys like you and kola and the rest pro I n the house? Thank God we can now go back to talk about houses and the challenges we face in Nigeria and how we can use our own initiatives to solve the challenges! Fire down boss, I cant wait to see what you got in your safe
Now you don call Piston, I dey look for one perkins Piston ohh, one of my Madam diesel Gen pack up we nor see the piston, worse case Engine and serial number nor dey the body, so an only picture we get, I dismantled the Gen just now b4 I rtn, we don find tire
AliExpress exists for situations like this. Order it with your heart knowing you are buying China aka low quality
