Kobojunkiee:

Notice where I put worshipping together, relate it with the content.

Did Jesus Christ said we shouldn't do any of those things, the things Jesus taught his disciples/followers did he said they should restrict it to themselves only or no one should follow them?

And yes it is done according, is it against it?

Only God knows best and can judge from each individual involvement in prayers.

One God, one christainity,one Bible then uncountable denominations each trying to outdo the other.. Who are we fooling

Stephenmoka4:

Notice where I put worshipping together, relate it with the content.

Did Jesus Christ said we shouldn't do any of those things, the things Jesus taught his disciples/followers did he said they should restrict it to themselves only or no one should follow them?

And yes it is done according, is it against it?

Only God knows best and can judge from each individual involvement in prayers.

We are not called to follo after the example of His followers but after the teachings and examples of Jesus Christ- He is the embodiment of the New Covenant for which we will each be judged at the end - not His followers.

Ok

But God already judged and gave commandments against such. He condemns those who submit to other authorities/Masters as being against Him, and He condemns those of His followers who would set themselves up as authorities/teachers/shepherds over any in his flock.

God condemns those who teach doctrines and traditions of men, and those who imbibe and follow doctrines - these have already been condemned a being against God and all this can be found there in the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Afiastikal:
One God, one christainity,one Bible then uncountable denominations each trying to outdo the other.. Who are we fooling

ROFLMAO

Afiastikal:
One God, one christainity,one Bible then uncountable denominations each trying to outdo the other.. Who are we fooling

Please understand this:
The enemy only constantly attacks what he knows is truth and is threatened by.
There's something very, very special about Christianity.....hence the chaos and division. Yes, it has lots of issues, but the gem is in the haystack.

I've never really thought that I wouldn't find my denomination anywhere I go.
However, since my denomination is not popular, and is smaller in numbers (Approx. 21milion worldwide) compared to some other denominations, I would possibly have to do a "small group" home church or bible-study fellowship with other like-minded folks if I could find them.

Wow!
Did you include KINGDOM HALLS?

Well we only need the Google map to locate the nearest Kingdom Hall.

Thanks, God bless you and may you have PEACE!

Stephenmoka4:
Where would you worship if you couldn't find your denomination. Why?
And where wouldn't you worship. Why?
Let's say you travelled or migrated to a new region (school area, City, village, new country etc). You explore a bit but, can't find your denomination nearby. I don't think that would stop you from going to other churches or a worship centers.
You may state your denomination in the comment section.
Note: Do not use this shame or demean other denomination. Thanks for your input.

Eviana:



Please understand this:
The enemy only constantly attacks what he knows is truth and is threatened by.
There's something very, very special about Christianity.....hence the chaos and division. Yes, it has lots of issues, but the gem is in the haystack.

Interesting this is brought up here. And very interesting reply to the poster. You made me think deep. If you know the enemy is behind the chaos and division, dont you think the enemy might be the one who put up the foundation of your own denomination just to add another one and further the chaos? Of course same is applicable to me. But Jesus spoke about this chaos. His disciples asked him how to deal with it. And he answered them, leave the weed and the wheat to grow together. Of course the enemy sowed the weed among the wheat had been sown. And Jesus said, they will be separated during harvest. So, why try to forcefully separate yourself now when Jesus doesnt want you even to separate yourself. Let us allow God do His job. Your denomination or mine may not even be God's will.

Eviana:
I've never really thought that I wouldn't find my denomination anywhere I go.
However, since my denomination is not popular, and is smaller in numbers (Approx. 21milion worldwide) compared to some other denominations, I would possibly have to do a "small group" home church or bible-study fellowship with other like-minded folks if I could find them.

Since your denomination is not popular and you are in a town you do not have a church, if is very unlikely to find your kind there. If your kind is there, they would have started somehow. Be very truthful about it. You have just stated you cannot attend another denomination. So, just say you will stay at home. But I hope your denomination will be in heaven since you believe there is heaven..and when you get there (if you do), you should choose your kind also to associate with in heaven.

Again, 21million worldwide is enough to get your kind. You can do online service. And when it comes to marriage, 21 million is more than enough, you know where to find your kind (if applicable to you, if not kindly disregard this).

Goodluck!

Kobojunkiee:
We are not called to follo after the example of His followers but after the teachings and examples of Jesus Christ- He is the embodiment of the New Covenant for which we will each be judged at the end - not His followers.

Ok

But God already judged and gave commandments against such. He condemns those who submit to other authorities/Masters as being against Him, and He condemns those of His followers who would set themselves up as authorities/teachers/shepherds over any in his flock.

God condemns those who teach doctrines and traditions of men, and those who imbibe and follow doctrines - these have already been condemned a being against God and all this can be found there in the teachings of Jesus Christ.

You haven't answered the questions, I'm not saying we are called to follow. (Read it you well again)


I'm not submitting to authorities against him and... so that's out of place.

I'm not referencing to those who teach doctrines and traditions of men - still out of context.

PeaceJoyLove:

Interesting this is brought up here. And very interesting reply to the poster. You made me think deep. If you know the enemy is behind the chaos and division, dont you think the enemy might be the one who put up the foundation of your own denomination just to add another one and further the chaos? Of course same is applicable to me. But Jesus spoke about this chaos. His disciples asked him how to deal with it. And he answered them, leave the weed and the wheat to grow together. Of course the enemy sowed the weed among the wheat had been sown. And Jesus said, they will be separated during harvest. So, why try to forcefully separate yourself now when Jesus doesnt want you even to separate yourself. Let us allow God do His job. Your denomination or mine may not even be God's will.


Since your denomination is not popular and you are in a town you do not have a church, if is very unlikely to find your kind there. If your kind is there, they would have started somehow. Be very truthful about it. You have just stated you cannot attend another denomination. So, just say you will stay at home. But I hope your denomination will be in heaven since you believe there is heaven..and when you get there (if you do), you should choose your kind also to associate with in heaven.

Again, 21million worldwide is enough to get your kind. You can do online service. And when it comes to marriage, 21 million is more than enough, you know where to find your kind (if applicable to you, if not kindly disregard this).

Goodluck!

Sir,
I brought it up here because I did not want to do so on your thread. It's difficult to engage with an angry, profane, accusatory and combative person such as yourself. It was tough on the phone and I knew you'd write even more profanity on your own thread.


Christians (which you claimed to be) believe in eternity- Heaven (The New Jerusalem ae s described in Rev. 22) and eternal condenation--hellfire.

Eviana:

Sir,
I brought it up here because I did not want to do so on your thread. It's difficult to engage with an angry, profane, accusatory and combative person such as yourself. It was tough on the phone and I knew you'd write even more profanity on your own thread.


Christians (which you claimed to be) believe in eternity- Heaven (The New Jerusalem ae s described in Rev. 22) and eternal condenation--hellfire.

It is extremely hard to discuss with a self acclaimed "holy holy" individual because no matter how you point his/her flaws, he/she chooses to escape with irrelevant words. That you force someone to be at your side and the person decides to stay with what exactly the word says, and then, you label the person an angry one. That the person keeps showing you points....you always escape and manipulate it all with the "holy holy" talks. Facts and evidences are what I work on. Have you forgotten I cannot call you at all? Have you forgotten, I cannot write you. And I dont. Yet, you will be the one to call at the right time. Do not worry. Your mouth is running now. When the time comes for you to make 20 calls within 30 mins is coming. Do not worry. Then, you will know who is hard to speak with and who is gentle. Of course, I have been too gentle with you to give you access to pull out your phone and call whenever you choose. But it is over now. You may call it anger...but make sure you are ready for "terrible huge words" when you try to settle it privately. Cos you are running your mouth now. Always trying to make those who she thinks are following her see her as one "holy holy" person. This one is a goal.....she is a goal when it comes to bullying. Lol. You and I know each other well. Stop forming here. You stand for what you believe in and you defend it even with harsh words. But don't pretend like a gentle gal. You are far from it. Only a strong "will-ed" man can handle you well.

Just make sure you do not put that call through. If you do, you know what you will get.

Of course, I believe in the new Jerusalem and I know there is hell. But I dont tell people they are condemned to hell like you and many others do. Are you God who will throw them in hell? Are you God who will welcome the saints to heaven? So, why say it boldly to your fellow man that he is going to hell? Who gave you the authority to condemn. You better watch how bold you act.

I will keep praying for you. You really need Jesus. The Jesus you serve seems to be different from the Jesus in the Bible.

Stephenmoka4:
You haven't answered the questions, I'm not saying we are called to follow. (Read it you well again)
I'm not submitting to authorities against him and... so that's out of place.
I'm not referencing to those who teach doctrines and traditions of men - still out of context.

The Contract we have through Jesus Christ is a Contract between God Himself and individual man. So as long as each man sticks to the Terms and Conditions(laws) laid out in the Covenant, then one is in compliance.

While in compliance with the terms and conditions or the contract, teaching only that which Jesus Christ(mot the teachings of His servants) Himself taught, then God is honored by our obedience.

P.S. - Jesus Christ did not send us to teach His followers but to those in the world

Kobojunkiee:
I don't stand against my Master's teachings ... I stand instead against the doctrines and traditions of men, which my Master declared were lies told to deceive and steal that which ought to belong to my Master.

God declared that in His New Covenant, He alone is Shepherd/Teacher/ Master/ authority over all those who belong to Him. Jesus Christ, the New Covenant, came teaching the same Truth.

Bro, the Master is speaking to you, harken. You aren't practicing what he practiced. A disciple will mimic his master. Mimic, means to become a carbon copy of your Master. How he speaks, walk, act, react, relate etc. But you are relating your own doctrine. This is not Jesus way.

hoopernikao:

Bro, the Master is speaking to you, harken. You aren't practicing what he practiced. A disciple will mimic his master. Mimic, means to become a carbon copy of your Master. How he speaks, walk, act, react, relate etc. But you are relating your own doctrine. This is not Jesus way.

Here's a simple question for you. What, of everything I have stated so far, is my own doctrine? Try to be as specific as you can so I can see what it is you claim to see.

Here's another! Using Jesus Christ's own words, what does it mean to become a carbon copy of Him and how does one go about accomplishing that -again using Jesus Christ's own words, mind you?

I thought kobojunkie is spiritual inspector to criticize every denomination. Interesting topic though.




For me any Hall is not it. Thanks to my friend Maximuside who has helped me to research more into beliefs and activities of JWs. The lies, the hypocrisy, the evil indoctrination, the vague hope. The delusion.

hoopernikao:



Bro, the Master is speaking to you, harken. You aren't practicing what he practiced. A disciple will mimic his master. Mimic, means to become a carbon copy of your Master. How he speaks, walk, act, react, relate etc. But you are relating your own doctrine. This is not Jesus way.

Jesus came to save the israelites from the yokes of the Pharisees and Saducees with their doctrines of men.

He clearly won't worship in most of the churches today since they've been overiden by doctrines of men.

The things Jesus preached against are being exalted in these churches- Titles, Love of money, Hypocrisy, etc.

How do you know God has not set Kobojunkie on this path?
You have preached to him yet the Holyspirit has not convicted him about it.
Don't mistake the written scriptures and the working of the Spirit. Is that not why the Pharisees/Jews persecuted Jesus and his disciples? They were defending the scriptures and did not recognise it's fulfillment right before them.

I'm not saying he's right or wrong. Just your back and forth on this issue is becoming distracting.

Myer:


Jesus came to save the israelites from the yokes of the Pharisees and Saducees with their doctrines of men.

He clearly won't worship in most of the churches today since they've been overiden by doctrines of men.

The things Jesus preached against are being exalted in these churches- Titles, Love of money, Hypocrisy, etc.

How do you know God has not set Kobojunkie on this path?
You have preached to him yet the Holyspirit has not convicted him about it.
Don't mistake the written scriptures and the working of the Spirit. Is that not why the Pharisees/Jews persecuted Jesus and his disciples?

I'm not saying he's right or wrong. Just your back and forth on this issue is becoming distracting.

Bro, you must have a conviction. Dont be a fence sitter. When you cant say if he is wrong or write or if i am worng or right, then you dont have a conviction on this topic.


Secondly, i have told you to stop generalizing things.

He clearly won't worship in most of the churches today since they've been overiden by doctrines of men.

The above is a bogus statement.

How many churches do you know
How many have you worshipped in
How many do you know practice all you listed above.
How many places do you even know as a person to use the word MOST CHURCHES.

You carry so much assumptions in your words as such. A Christian dont exaggerate. Exaggeration was the root of murmuring and disobedience in the wilderness towards Canaan. It is godly to be concise and reserved. It is call being truthful.


Lastly, i know God didnt set Kobojunkie on this path, because you wont find God in a system that seek to destroy and scatter but in honor to authority and His church. You dont need a research to know this Bro.

Kobojunkiee:
Here's a simple question for you. What, of everything I have stated so far, is my own doctrine? Try to be as specific as you can so I can see what it is you claim to see.

Here's another! Using Jesus Christ's own words, what does it mean to become a carbon copy of Him and how does one go about accomplishing that -again using Jesus Christ's own words, mind you?

What you said wrong in everything you stated? You should ask what was said right. When the foundation is wrong, the house will crumble.

All you have stated is not biblical because the foundation of it is a system of falsehood preached by those who are rebellion to God's authority and the authority in His church. You should seek your way out and not join this set of persons is all i am telling you.

Church gathering, church authority and submission is taught, practiced and commanded all through the scriptures. You neglected all these and clinged to what suit you. Yet go around rebuking those who are doing God's will in this. This is what i have been stating.

Kobojunkiee:
Here's another! Using Jesus Christ's own words, what does it mean to become a carbon copy of Him and how does one go about accomplishing that -again using Jesus Christ's own words, mind you?

Secondly, it is deceptive looking for words of Jesus and neglect his practices. I have told you severally to go and check the meaning of a disciple.

All bible writings were summative in nature and non can capture all that was said and done all through the time.

Johns word below

John 21:25
25 Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.

That alone should let you know that many things would have been in summative. Hence when we are in issues of knowing what Jesus will do or say in a situation and such is not reflected in his words, we will look at his practices and attitude towards such. That is being truthful.

Can Jesus practice what he doesnt support or ascribe to? No.

So, searching for the words of Jesus and neglecting his beliefs and system of truth is dishonesty. Would Jesus have loved his disciples to be around him today and teach them regularly? Answer this yourself. Will he have called for regular meetings with his followers or not?

Hence, should we say because some are taking advantages of situation and neglect the Master's practice? No.

See, at most, a doctrine against the gathering of believers is unscriptural, Satanic and comes from a rebellious heart.

HealerH:
See how modern-day Christians reason.
So you forcibly need a Church to worship God? So how did you cope during the Covid lockdown when Churches were closed?

Grow up Christians. The Church is a building where you meet to worship God as a "Community". And to some extent, it is not always accessible to you. The true Church that is never unavailable to you is YOU.

I love your comment

hoopernikao:

What you said wrong in everything you stated? You should ask what was said right. When the foundation is wrong, the house will crumble.

All you have stated is not biblical because the foundation of it is a system of falsehood preached by those who are rebellion to God's authority and the authority in His church. You should seek your way out and not join this set of persons is all i am telling you.

Church gathering, church authority and submission is taught, practiced and commanded all through the scriptures. You neglected all these and clinged to what suit you. Yet go around rebuking those who are doing God's will in this. This is what i have been stating.

This is yet more meaningless ramblings!

Go round the earth today you can't find any of our Kingdom Halls open for worship.
WHY?
Because our worship has grown past the idea of seeing one another physical before we worship our own God {John 4:24} despite not meeting together bodily we're still teaching and baptizing newly interested disciples! Matthew 28:20

Check the activities of God's people in the picture below doing His will despite not meeting together in the Kingdom Halls!

MightySparrow:
I thought kobojunkie is spiritual inspector to criticize every denomination. Interesting topic though. For me any Hall is not it. Thanks to my friend Maximuside who has helped me to research more into beliefs and activities of JWs. The lies, the hypocrisy, the evil indoctrination, the vague hope. The delusion.

hoopernikao:
Secondly, it is deceptive looking for words of Jesus and neglect his practices. I have told you severally to go and check the meaning of a disciple.

All bible writings were summative in nature and non can capture all that was said and done all through the time.
Johns word below

John 21:25
25 Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.

That alone should let you know that many things would have been in summative. Hence when we are in issues of knowing what Jesus will do or say in a situation and such is not reflected in his words, we will look at his practices and attitude towards such. That is being truthful.

Can Jesus practice what he doesnt support or ascribe to? No.

So, searching for the words of Jesus and neglecting his beliefs and system of truth is dishonesty. Would Jesus have loved his disciples to be around him today and teach them regularly? Answer this yourself. Will he have called for regular meetings with his followers or not?

Hence, should we say because some are taking advantages of situation and neglect the Master's practice? No.

See, at most, a doctrine against the gathering of believers is unscriptural, Satanic and comes from a rebellious heart.

You are still rambling... I clearly asked you to questions, and not a single one of them have you responded directly to. Pay attention already....

Kobojunkiee:
Here's a simple question for you. What, of everything I have stated so far, is my own doctrine? Try to be as specific as you can so I can see what it is you claim to see.

Here's another! Using Jesus Christ's own words, what does it mean to become a carbon copy of Him and how does one go about accomplishing that -again using Jesus Christ's own words, mind you?

Provide me with specifics, not ramblings, that I can respond to

Myer:
Jesus came to save the israelites from the yokes of the Pharisees and Saducees with their doctrines of men.
He clearly won't worship in most of the churches today since they've been overiden by doctrines of men.
The things Jesus preached against are being exalted in these churches- Titles, Love of money, Hypocrisy, etc.
How do you know God has not set Kobojunkie on this path?
You have preached to him yet the Holyspirit has not convicted him about it.
Don't mistake the written scriptures and the working of the Spirit. Is that not why the Pharisees/Jews persecuted Jesus and his disciples?
I'm not saying he's right or wrong. Just your back and forth on this issue is becoming distracting.

I would not worship in any of your churches...none of them. Why? Because God commands against what you call churches.

1) God is against the teaching and practicing of the doctrines and traditions of men - your churches are built atop of them

Mark 7 vs 1-13 (ERV)
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1. Now when the Pharisees gathered to him, with some of the scribes who had come from Jerusalem,
2. they saw that some of his disciples ate with hands that were defiled, that is, unwashed.
3. (For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they wash their hands properly,[a] holding to the tradition of the elders,
4. and when they come from the marketplace, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other traditions that they observe, such as the washing of cups and pots and copper vessels and dining couches.[c])
[b] 5. And the Pharisees and the scribes asked him, “Why do your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat with defiled hands?”
6. And he said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written,
“‘This people honors me with their lips,
but their heart is far from me;
7. in vain do they worship me,
teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’

8. You leave the commandment of God and hold to the (doctrines and rules)** tradition of men.”
9. And he said to them, “You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to establish your tradition!
10. For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.’
11. But you say, ‘If a man tells his father or his mother, “Whatever you would have gained from me is Corban”’ (that is, given to God)[d]—
12. then you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or mother,
13. thus making void the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And many such things you do.”

_{** substituted from another Bible translation for better understanding of what is impacted}
2) God is against those who set themselves up as authorities/leaders, and even so-called "spiritual" fathers, over His flock

Matthew 20 vs 20-28 (ESV)
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20. Then Zebedee’s wife came to Jesus and brought her sons. [/b]She bowed before Jesus and asked him to do something for her.
[b] 21. Jesus said, “What do you want?”
She said, “Promise that one of my sons will sit at your right side in your kingdom and the other at your left.”
22. So Jesus said to the sons, “You don’t understand what you are asking. Can you drink from the cup[a] that I must drink from?”
The sons answered, “Yes, we can!”
23. Jesus said to them, “It is true that you will drink from the cup that I drink from. But it is not for me to say who will sit at my right or my left. My Father has decided who will do that. He has prepared those places for them.”
24. The other ten followers heard this and were angry with the two brothers.
25. So Jesus called the followers together. He said, “You know that the rulers of the non-Jewish people love to show their power over the people. And their important leaders love to use all their authority over the people.
26. But it should not be that way with you. Whoever wants to be your leader must be your servant.
27. Whoever wants to be first must serve the rest of you like a slave.
28. Do as I did: The Son of Man did not come for people to serve him. He came to serve others and to give his life to save many people.”

3) God is against those who would suppose themselves masters/head over His flock, placing themselves between Him and His own flock

Matthew 6 vs 24 (ERV)
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24. “You cannot serve two masters at the same time. You will hate one and love the other, or you will be loyal to one and not care about the other. You cannot serve God and Money[d] at the same time.

4) God against those who set themselves up as teachers over His sheep

Matthew 23 vs 8-12
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8. But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers.[c]
9. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.
10. Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ.
11. The greatest among you shall be your servant.
12. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

God made this declaration from even the time of the prophets

Jeremiah 31 vs 31-34 (ERV)
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31. “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 32. not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord.
33. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34. And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

5) God is against those who install themselves as shepherds over His sheep

Ezekiel 34 vs 9-16 (ERV)
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9. So, you shepherds, listen to the word of the Lord!
10. The Lord God says, “I am against the shepherds. I will demand my sheep from them. I will fire them. They will not be my shepherds anymore. Then the shepherds will not be able to feed themselves, and I will save my flock from their mouths. Then my sheep will not be food for them.”
11. The Lord God says, “I myself will be their Shepherd. I will search for my sheep and take care of them.
12. If a shepherd is with his sheep when they begin to wander away, he will go searching for them. In the same way I will search for my sheep. I will save them and bring them back from all the places where they were scattered on that dark and cloudy day.
13. I will bring them back from those nations. I will gather them from those countries and bring them back to their own land. I will feed them on the mountains of Israel, by the streams, and in all the places where people live.
14. I will lead them to grassy fields. They will go to the place high on the mountains of Israel and lie down on good ground and eat the grass. They will eat in rich grassland on the mountains of Israel.
15. Yes, I will feed my flock, and I will lead them to a place of rest.” This is what the Lord God said.

16. “I will search for the lost sheep. I will bring back the sheep that were scattered and put bandages on the sheep that were hurt. I will make the weak sheep strong, but I will destroy the fat and powerful shepherds. I will feed them the punishment they deserve.”

6) God's Church is not the gatherings you have today but instead, a gathering that consists ONLY of those who are born-again /led by His own Spirit... implying that only God can truly "gather" His sheep... not man. Your churches are instead a gathering of sinners, "saints" and dead people(unbelievers), ruled over by sinners disguised as saints - so how can it be compared to God's church?

Ezekiel 36 vs 24-30 (ESV)
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24. “I will take you out of those nations, gather you together, and bring you back to your own land.
25. Then I will sprinkle pure water on you and make you pure. I will wash away all your filth, the filth from those nasty idols, and I will make you pure.
26. I will also put a new spirit in you to change your way of thinking. I will take out the heart of stone from your body and give you a tender, human heart.
27. I will put my Spirit inside you[c] and change you so that you will obey my laws. You will carefully obey my commands.
28. Then you will live in the land that I gave to your ancestors. You will be my people, and I will be your God.
29. Also, I will save you and keep you from becoming unclean. I will command the grain to grow. I will not bring a famine against you.
30. I will give you large crops of fruit from your trees and the harvest from your fields so that you will never again feel the shame of being hungry in a foreign country.
31. You will remember the bad things you did. You will remember that those things were not good. Then you will hate yourselves because of your sins and the terrible things you did.”

MaxInDHouse:
Go round the earth today you can't find any of our Kingdom Halls open for worship.
WHY?
Because our worship has grown past the idea of seeing one another physical before we worship our own God {John 4:24} despite not meeting together bodily we're still teaching and baptizing newly interested disciples! Matthew 28:20

Check the activities of God's people in the picture below doing His will despite not meeting together in the Kingdom Halls!

Baptism into confusion.

Please don't kill yourself!

MightySparrow:

Baptism into confusion.

hoopernikao:



Bro, you must have a conviction. Dont be a fence sitter. When you cant say if he is wrong or write or if i am worng or right, then you dont have a conviction on this topic.


Secondly, i have told you to stop generalizing things.



The above is a bogus statement.

How many churches do you know
How many have you worshipped in
How many do you know practice all you listed above.
How many places do you even know as a person to use the word MOST CHURCHES.

You carry so much assumptions in your words as such. A Christian dont exaggerate. Exaggeration was the root of murmuring and disobedience in the wilderness towards Canaan. It is godly to be concise and reserved. It is call being truthful.


Lastly, i know God didnt set Kobojunkie on this path, because you wont find God in a system that seek to destroy and scatter but in honor to authority and His church. You dont need a research to know this Bro.

I believe I once told you while I was still a devout Christian, I felt I was led on the path of unification of the body of Christ. On that journey I explored and worshipped in various denominations viz RCCG, Winners, Christ Embassy, Deeper Life, Jehovah's witness, 7th Day Adventist, Latter Day Saints, and several non-popular churches. Though I had my own church where I was a staunch worker. I was able to explore other denominations whenever my job took me travelling.

That said, I believe I have more knowledge than you in church doctrines.

That is also why I can confidently let you know that most of these churches have been overiden by doctrines of men.

On the bolded, are you reading the same Bible cos from the inception, God's prophets have been known to be against instituted authorities.

Moses against Pharaoh.
Daniel and the 3 Hebrew brothers against the Babylonian authorities.
Mordecai against Haman.
John the baptist against Herod.
Jesus against Jewish authorities.

Kobojunkiee:
I would not worship in any of your churches...none of them. Why? Because God commands against what you call churches.

1) God is against the teaching and practicing of the doctrines and traditions of men - your churches are built atop of them

_{** substituted from another Bible translation for better understanding of what is impacted}
2) God is against those who set themselves up as authorities/leaders, and even so-called "spiritual" fathers, over His flock

3) God is against those who would suppose themselves masters/head over His flock, placing themselves between Him and His own flock

4) God against those who set themselves up as teachers over His sheep
God made this declaration from even the time of the prophets


5) God is against those who install themselves as shepherds over His sheep

6) God's Church is not the gatherings you have today but instead, a gathering that consists ONLY of those who are born-again /led by His own Spirit... implying that only God can truly "gather" His sheep... not man. Your churches are instead a gathering of sinners, "saints" and dead people(unbelievers), ruled over by sinners disguised as saints - so how can it be compared to God's church?

How do you explain Jesus being a Master?

How do you explain Jesus telling Peter to feed his sheep after he's gone?

I chose to stay with examples from the synoptic gospels knowing that's where your conviction is.

Myer:
How do you explain Jesus being a Master?

God is God of Laws, and Jesus Christ is God's New Covenant Law of the Kingdom of God.

John 1 vs 1- 5 (ESV)
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1. Before the world began, the Word[a] was there. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2. He was there with God in the beginning.
3. Everything was made through him, and nothing was made without him.
4. In him there was life, and that life was a light for the people of the world.
5. The light[b] shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not defeated[c] it.

Jesus Christ is God's "human avatar" whom He, God, used in bringing to bring His New agreement to the Lost sheep of Israel, and the Nation of the world.
Jesus Christ is Master over all those who are followers of the New Covenant which is He.

Myer:
How do you explain Jesus telling Peter to feed his sheep after he's gone?

What Jesus Christ told Peter to do on that day was the same thing He commanded all of those who will enter into His Kingdom to do, if they want to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven in the end.

John 21 vs 15-17 (ERV)
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15. When they finished eating, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these other men love me?”
Peter answered, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.”Then Jesus said to him, “Take care of my lambs.[c]”
16. Again Jesus said to him, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?”
Peter answered, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” Then Jesus said, “Take care of my sheep.”
17. A third time Jesus said, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?”
Peter was sad because Jesus asked him three times, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know everything. You know that I love you!”
Jesus said to him, “Take care of my sheep.

In Matthew, Jesus Christ provides details on the works that those who will enter into His Kingdom will do...

Matthew 25 vs 31-40 (ESV)
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31. “The Son of Man will come again with divine greatness, and all his angels will come with him. He will sit as king on his great and glorious throne.
32. All the people of the world will be gathered before him. Then he will separate everyone into two groups. It will be like a shepherd separating his sheep from his goats.
33. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34. “Then the king will say to the godly people on his right, ‘Come, my Father has great blessings for you. The kingdom he promised is now yours. It has been prepared for you since the world was made.
35. It is yours because when I was hungry, you gave me food to eat. When I was thirsty, you gave me something to drink. When I had no place to stay, you welcomed me into your home.
36. When I was without clothes, you gave me something to wear. When I was sick, you cared for me. When I was in prison, you came to visit me.’
37. “Then the godly people will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and give you food? When did we see you thirsty and give you something to drink?
38. When did we see you with no place to stay and welcome you into our home? When did we see you without clothes and give you something to wear?
39. When did we see you sick or in prison and care for you?’
40. “Then the king will answer, ‘The truth is, anything you did for any of my people here, you also did for me.’

In case you missed it;

Feed my sheep
- give them food when they are hungry
- give them a drink when they are thirsty
Take Care of my sheep
- when they are homeless, home them
- when they are naked, clothe them
- when they are sick, care for them
- when they are in prison, visit them.

Every one of His followers, under the influence of the Spirit of God, is led by Him to the doing of works of righteousness -the Will of God.

Myer:
I chose to stay with examples from the synoptic gospels knowing that's where your conviction is.

Sure, always!

Kobojunkiee:
God is God of Laws, and Jesus Christ is God's New Covenant Law of the Kingdom of God. Jesus Christ is God's "human avatar" whom He, God, used in bringing to bring His New agreement to the Lost sheep of Israel, and the Nation of the world.
Jesus Christ is Master over all those who are followers of the New Covenant which is He.
What Jesus Christ told Peter to do on that day was the same thing He commanded all of those who will enter into His Kingdom to do, if they want to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven in the end. In Matthew, Jesus Christ provides details on the works that those who will enter into His Kingdom will do... In case you missed it;

Feed my sheep
- give them food when they are hungry
- give them a drink when they are thirsty
Take Care of my sheep
- when they are homeless, home them
- when they are naked, clothe them
- when they are sick, care for them
- when they are in prison, visit them.

Every one of His followers, under the influence of the Spirit of God, is led by Him to the doing of works of righteousness -the Will of God.
Sure, always!

I must beg to disagree with your interpretation of Feeding his sheep.

It was a specific instruction to Peter while other Apostles were seated together with him and Jesus Christ.

If you followed their relationship, Jesus was always grooming Peter to lead.
Jesus loved John above all yet he chose Peter to lead after him.

You do remember his declaration to Peter upon his revelation that Jesus is the Messiah?

Matthew 16:18-19
And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.
And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

Myer:
I must beg to disagree with your interpretation of Feeding his sheep.
It was a specific instruction to Peter while other Apostles were seated together with him and Jesus Christ.

If you followed their relationship, Jesus was always grooming Peter to lead.
Jesus loved John above all yet he chose Peter to lead after him.

I know of the doctrine that suggests Jesus Christ positioned Peter as lead over His flock but the facts don't point to that at all.
We should recall that prior to John 21, Peter had endured testing by Satan....

Luke 22 vs 31-34 (ERV)
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31. “Satan has asked to test you men like a farmer tests his wheat. O Simon, Simon,[c]
32. I have prayed that you will not lose your faith! Help your brothers be stronger when you come back to me.”
33. But Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, I am ready to go to jail with you. I will even die with you!”
34. But Jesus said, “Peter, before the rooster crows tomorrow morning, you will say you don’t know me. You will say this three times.”

... he failed three times.
On that fateful "John 21" morning, when Jesus Christ had appeared to His disciples, back from the dead, He perfomed for them a miracle, and prepared and fed them breakfast that sam morning. Yes, Jesus Christ cooked and fed His uneducated fishermen bunch breakfast, right before that conversation He had with Peter.

So, after breakfast, Peter approaches Jesus Christ, probably to beg for forgiveness but Jesus Christ took charge, instructing Peter, a fisherman, called as a fisher of men, who had just been fed breakfast by His Master, and only Shepherd, to "feed His sheep" and "take case of His sheep". Do you think Peter would not have clearly understood the message given Him by His Master, whom He had walked with and studied under for over 3 years at that point?

Myer:
You do remember his declaration to Peter upon his revelation that Jesus is the Messiah?
Matthew 16:18-19
And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.
And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

Yes, and the Keys of the Kingdom of Heaven which was handed to Peter in John 21, by Jesus Christ, is instruction to do works of Righteousness, the same works listed in Matthew 25 vs 31-40 - no one can enter into Heaven without doing those works, you are told.

The Rock(Righteousness) on which the Church of God is built is the same that Peter, and the apostles, are recorded to have worked out in the first few chapters of the Book of Acts. Also, Jesus Christ didn't exactly declare that Peter, the man, was in fact the rock.

We know from God in Ezekiel 34 that His flock is maintained by those works - the feeding and caring of them all - the same works of righteousness are mentioning in Ezekiel 34 by God - works He accomplishes through His Spirit who He installs in all those who belongs to Him in His Covenant.

From Ezekiel 36, we are made to see that the Spirit of God is install inside of His followers to control us, making us to obey and do God's Will.

Myer:

I chose to stay with examples from the synoptic gospels knowing that's where your conviction is.

By the way, my conviction does not lie only with the synoptic gospels. No, I believe in God and every word out of God's mouth, not just that written of in the synoptic gospels.

As I have made it known before now, the bible is not the word of God but instead a book that contains the Word of God where the Word of God refers to every declaration directly attributed to God Himself(Jesus Christ included). In the same book, you will find written the words of men, demons and even Satan... so, yes, the book is not the Word or Truth of God. Instead Jesus Christ is the Word out of God's mouth, the Truth of God who has been there from the very beginning, even Genesis and onwards.

As for the views of men expressed in every book of the bible, we are provided a law, is found in both the Old and the New Covenants(similar) referred to in some translations as the law of 2 or 3 witnesses. The basics of the law is that by the accounts of 2 or 3 witnesses shall the truth be established.

Every view. In scripture, that is not the Word of God must be subjected to the test recomended by the law of 2 or 3 witnesses.

So every view that is not directly validated by the Word or God(God's word is always True, unless God Himself changes it), cannot be assumed true until it is certified backed by the accounts of 2 or 3 scriptural witnesses. If no witnesses are found, then that view is not a truth.

And I have applied this law to my reading of Biblical and none biblical scripture, and it opens scripture up to one in a different light.

So, I read all scripture but I know that not all that is written in scripture is True and hence not all scripture is the Word of God or holy. Only that which is of God is Holy and only that which comes from the mouth of God is True. The views/opinions of men written in scripture however are not true by default as they must be weighed first against the Word of God, and then considered against the testimonies of other witnesses in the case, that no match is found.