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Re: Bonny Island/ Ndoki by Afriifa(m): 12:29pm On Apr 17, 2021 |
Nwanyiogwashi:You are just as myopic as I thought. You can't claim to be from Delta state.. You're restricting the Ijaws to just Bayelsa. Now, who is your deputy governor? the number 2 citizen of Delta state - where is he from? 3 Likes |
Re: Bonny Island/ Ndoki by Nigercity: 1:03pm On Apr 17, 2021 |
Afriifa: I guess cross River State has oil too? Check your map first Check the location of azumiri Before you start doing blind argument And pls help me and define Delta To start with (let's know how Edo nd Delta State, could be Delta without IMO and Abia state being Delta) 5 Likes |
Re: Bonny Island/ Ndoki by Nigercity: 1:06pm On Apr 17, 2021 |
AdakaBoro8: Azikwe lolz.... Another grabbing tactics They ebele in ijaw is a short form of another name Why in igbo it's a full name! 3 Likes |
Re: Bonny Island/ Ndoki by Nigercity: 1:09pm On Apr 17, 2021 |
AdakaBoro8: Which oru Are you even talking about.. Hope it's not my oru Cos There's nothing related between our lovely orlu/oru with ijaw Oru people don't have oyel mentality Get that... Trying to grab lands from Abia failed You now turn around to IMO Lolz Guy manage your swamps laa Because we called you guys Oru (cos you where living near Waters) doesn't make you the same with oru in IMO state Get that 4 Likes |
Re: Bonny Island/ Ndoki by OfoIgbo: 1:43pm On Apr 17, 2021 |
ChinenyeN: I have deleted quite a good chunk of what you wrote so as to make it easier for you to spot some of your statements that I have bolded for further inspection, and to point out some of your perspectives that will not stand the inquest of logic. I noticed you complained of the OPs "ijawphobia", but then went ahead to write something that should be seen as ndoki-phobia with regards to the ownership of Bonny. I also realise that your moniker is ChinenyeN, which has an Igbo base, but your writing suggests you are Ijaw with an Ijaw bias on the issues, especially as you backed Ijaw standpoints on 50-50 situations without any hard facts, some of which I will point out in the paragraphs below. In the first bolded statement, you averred that Umueze-Ndoki people came from either Benin or central Ijaw. Don't expect that such statements can be taken at its face value, because further examination of this standpoint is required. If Umueze people came from central Ijaw, there MUST be some deities/shrines that this Umueze people must have in common with Ijaw people, and those shrines MUST have Ijaw names. You have to know that Africans are extremely tribal, and in those days before Christianity, cultural breadcrumbs will be strewn all over the place to point to the fact that there is evidence that suggests father-son relationship between Ijaws and Umueze-Ndokis. Such claims cannot be made in a vaccuum and you expect me to believe it without hard facts. Hearsay can't cut it, in this sort of statement. Already, I know the word UMUEZE is clearly Igbo, but perhaps heavy cultural similarities like common deities can help sway this argument the Ijaw way. The absence of any such major cultural links, invariably means Umueze people are NOT of Ijaw descent, and are clearly Igbo. Such a deity MUST be revered by all and sundry of the Umueze community, and not by an element of a stranger community within Umueze, and MUST have an Ijaw name. I am an Nri person so I know what to look out for. Snippets from Alagoa's work won't be enough In the second bolded statement, you claimed that Umueze people arrived Bonny in the company of some Ijaw people. Here is yet another wild statement meant to whittle down Ndoki's well acclaimed first settler achievements. Are these Ijaws being led by these group of Ndokis? What shrines/deities did they establish at Bonny on arrival? How come earlier Europeans sailors, who can be described as neutral, claim that Bonny was first peopled by the Igbos, and that the ruling family was of Igbo descent? Do you think Ijaws would have allowed Igbos to be their traditional rulers, without a war of conquest? Observations made in the 1790s and published in 1830 in the first book ever written about Bonny, clearly made it obvious that Igbos settled first, and that the royal family was of Igbo descent. You really have to dig deeper to come up with details to expunge the facts already established by NEUTRAL OBSERVERS, when Bonny was still relatively in its formative years (1790s) in the first book ever written about Bonny 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Bonny Island/ Ndoki by OfoIgbo: 1:55pm On Apr 17, 2021 |
PHijo: Of course, I am in agreement with you with regards to the bolded. Bonny can never be a neutral ground. It is owned by Ndoki people. No one can take it from them. The first book ever written about Bonny has already established that fact, and it will remain there forever. Your best hope is to convince Ndoki people that they are Ijaw. If you are unable to do that, then Bonny is not Ijaw. . According to the first book ever written about Bonny, people from Brass also migrated to Bonny, after the first settlers. I'm sure Chief Harold Dappa Biriye's ancestors were one of those Brass citizens that eventually settled in Bonny. Now Ijaws and Fulanis have been major allies and partners in committing atrocities against other ethnic groups. I initially pointed out the abandoned properties episode, which was initiated by the Ijaws. That clearly shows what you guys are all about. Exactly the same as Fulanis that are taking over people's lands. 6 Likes |
Re: Bonny Island/ Ndoki by ChinenyeN(m): 2:18pm On Apr 17, 2021 |
This is the reason why I left the politics section, because you people are hopeless. The British created hard ethnic lines that did not exist before and you people have been running crazy with it ever since. Igboid: And saying a lot of wrong things in the process. So what does that tell me? They are willing to lie, just to discredit Ijaw. It’s Ijawphobia. The same way Alagoa was willing to fabricate things just to diminish the idea of Igbo in Bonny’s history (Igbophobia). None of you want to be honest about culture, history and language. You all just want to find ways to weaponize it as politics for yourselves. As if it will change anything in your present day. Igboid: OP did not rationally deduce anything. Umueze is recognized as having migrated in the company of Ijaw people. If the OP really wanted to rationally deduce something, they would have first been honest about Umueze’s migration and then deduce that perhaps Central Delta Ijaw migrated northwards and came into contact with some Igbo-speaking people who claim a “Benin” history. These two populations then migrated together and ended up in Ndoki. After a brief sojourn, some proceeded to migrate to Bonny. That would have been rational, because Umueze migration acknowledges Ijaw. Igboid: Again, Umueze’s oral tradition acknowledges Ijaw in this migration. This is not a fabrication. Alagoa definitely took that opportunity to exaggerate and fabricate that all of Ndoki are from Central Delta. But just because Alagoa lied does not make the Umueze tradition any less true. They were in the company of Ijaw when they arrived at Obunku. There is no other way to spin this, unless you want to start erasing some Umueze oral tradition the same way Alagoa tried to erase some Bonny oral tradition. |
Re: Bonny Island/ Ndoki by RobbStark(m): 2:36pm On Apr 17, 2021 |
Anything to massage your line of belief is welcomed. But the truth is that, Bonny like Opobo, is not Ibo but Ijaws. This story you told is your version. We have our own version of how the great Kingdom Bonny came about. All these cooked story just to have the facilities and deep sea in Bonny. Make una continue 1 Like |
Re: Bonny Island/ Ndoki by PHijo(m): 2:37pm On Apr 17, 2021 |
Afriifa: Don't mind her! The deputy governor of Rivers state is also Ijaw. Out of 3 senators representing Rivers, 2 are Ijaw, 1 is Ogoni. 2 Likes |
Re: Bonny Island/ Ndoki by NigeriaIsZOO: 2:40pm On Apr 17, 2021 |
Such an eye opening masterpiece!!! |
Re: Bonny Island/ Ndoki by NigeriaIsZOO: 2:44pm On Apr 17, 2021 |
Such an eye opening masterpiece!!! All Igbos will unite once Nigeria breaks up. However, it will be the choice of the Igbo groups along our borders to decide if they're coming with us or not. No one will be forced, but woe betide any group that will want to stop any Igbo group that wishes to reintegrate with us. We will definitely go to war to crush any such dissidence! 5 Likes |
Re: Bonny Island/ Ndoki by NigeriaIsZOO: 2:45pm On Apr 17, 2021 |
PHijo: Really?! What are their names please? 1 Like |
Re: Bonny Island/ Ndoki by Eastlink(m): 2:49pm On Apr 17, 2021 |
OfoIgbo:You hit the nail. Bonny is Ndoki owned. The so-called Biriye and Fombo who helped Alagoa falsify Bonny history are both migrants from Brass. The early European sailors wrote about the migrants from Brass who came as both slaves and porters. 5 Likes |
Re: Bonny Island/ Ndoki by Eastlink(m): 2:53pm On Apr 17, 2021 |
ChinenyeN:Chinenye I think it's time you go and cook for your husband. I’ve come to understand one thing about you. You always want to discredit Igbo history. All since you joined Nairaland, you’ve always shown your Igbophobic tendencies. No true Igbo will do so. Forget about the fraudulent history you post from time to time, once it involves Igbo, you show your rashness. I once challenge your Igboness in this group and up till now, you're yet to prove you're truly Ngwa. Except trying to impose one-frankenstein Ikwerre language on Ndi Ngwa, everything about you is fake. Even before likeminds noticed this thread, you jumped in to dish out your quack point of view. So please carry your foolishness to look for where you’ll be cured and allow those with points lay them. 4 Likes |
Re: Bonny Island/ Ndoki by AdakaBoro8(m): 2:53pm On Apr 17, 2021 |
Nigercity:i dont know about ur oru or olu.. but the ORU am talking about is an ancient tribe of africa. the (H)Oru is an isolated tribe which all it culture, practice, attitude, lifestyles total different from the rest.. all these H Oru cultures, practices, attitudes, etc are what Ijaw still practicing today... use your google for your help. 1 Like |
Re: Bonny Island/ Ndoki by AdakaBoro8(m): 2:59pm On Apr 17, 2021 |
Nigercity:i was surprise to hear ibo answering names like Ebele, Ebere, Azikiwei. i believe ibos that answer these names derived it from Ijaw.. |
Re: Bonny Island/ Ndoki by Eastlink(m): 3:02pm On Apr 17, 2021 |
AdakaBoro8:Any Oru cultures Ijaw practice today is borrowed. Oru has always been Igbos living close to the water bodies. Even before Ijaws left their Togolese homeland by following early Portuguese ships to the Niger-Delta, Oru maintained their cultures. Ijaws in Bayelsa and Delta might want to claim Oru but they are not. Oru know themselves not immigrant from Togo. Oru are originally Igbos before Ijaws, Benin and Igala migrants sailed with their canoes to mix with the pure bloods. If I were Ijaws, I’ll start looking at tracing my origins in Volta/Togo. It was on record that the Portugues brought with them not only Christianity and farm produce, but also Togolese swamp dwellers. From names, language to blackness, everything Ijaw smell Togo/Ghana. 5 Likes |
Re: Bonny Island/ Ndoki by PHijo(m): 3:07pm On Apr 17, 2021 |
OfoIgbo: According to Igbo propaganda David Mark whose are being killed in Benue is a Fulani man! Saro-Wiwa who was Ogoni suddenly transformed from that to being an Ijaw! Just as usual, your so called abandoned properties saga is a figment of your imaginations. You tell all sorts of lies in your attempt to forcefully have a foothold in Rivers state. On contrary it is Ijaw who suffered losses due to Igbo incursion in Rivers state. Before the civil war Igbos stole land and properties from the Ijaws, Ikwerres and Ogonis. Till date, a lot of families have not been able to recover their land. There is no such first book! The Bonny kingdom, like every other Ijaw kingdom is interconnected. You Igbo are ignorant newbies how are intoxicated by the warrant chiefdoms Britain created for you in a bid to tame wild, unruly, subhuman societies. You just exhibit your gross ignorance. Today the Ashanti kingdom covers Kumasi and her environs but some centuries ago it extended to the coast of Ghana, some parts of Togo and Ivory coast. The Kanuri extended to present day Sudan, Chad and Cameroon. We are are not people established by other people. That is why any being can't wake and create a kingdom. Unlike Igboland where warrant chiefs are apppointing new warrant chiefs in their closet for the right price. If I choose to be king or chief in Igboland I will become one without blinking. When you want tell your lies on your fictional status, say it where an Ijaw man won't hear. Maybe you call tell this lies to Yoruba people. They can fall for it. It is Ndoki you never accepted you want to claim are Igbo because you think that will give you access to Rivers Ijaw. Many you call Delta Igbos fake Igbos. The Ndoki didn't even qualify to be called fake Igbos. Now you want turn to your shining stars in bid to reap where your fathers could never have sown. |
Re: Bonny Island/ Ndoki by PHijo(m): 3:09pm On Apr 17, 2021 |
NigeriaIsZOO: Ask Google to help you. |
Re: Bonny Island/ Ndoki by Eastlink(m): 3:13pm On Apr 17, 2021 |
PHijo:Oga there are no Ijaws in Rivers state. This Bayelsa man how many time are we going to tell you guys this. 3 Likes |
Re: Bonny Island/ Ndoki by AdakaBoro8(m): 3:13pm On Apr 17, 2021 |
Eastlink:ewoo! somebody please save me from this hilarious joke.. oru has become ibo again? chai una heritage grabbing come worst oo diz tym.. they dont just called u people yeebos for nothing. 1 Like |
Re: Bonny Island/ Ndoki by Eastlink(m): 3:16pm On Apr 17, 2021 |
AdakaBoro8:Which historical account recorded Ijaws as Oru? None. Don't confuse the Igbo slangs that tend to call every sea living inhabitant from the Niger to the Delta as Oru. The Oru/Olu have always been Igbo who lived from upper Niger down to the Atlantic swamps. Yes, their population was threatened thanks to Portuguese who brought and armed Togolese migrants to populate their territories. 5 Likes |
Re: Bonny Island/ Ndoki by PHijo(m): 3:19pm On Apr 17, 2021 |
Eastlink: To start with, Igbo people's opinion doesn't even count in your 5 landlocked states so keep your unbridled ignorance to yourself or you share some of it with Hope Uzodinma if he would willing to listen. On how many occasions would we have to remind you that Igbo people are on Igalaland, Ijawland, Ogoniland, Ibibioland, Annangland etc. The owners are tired of your shenanigans. |
Re: Bonny Island/ Ndoki by Eastlink(m): 3:22pm On Apr 17, 2021 |
PHijo:I don't discuss issues with a Bayelsa man. All Ijaws have been given a state in Bayelsa. Any Ijaws you find in P/H is a migrant. 5 Likes |
Re: Bonny Island/ Ndoki by PHijo(m): 3:22pm On Apr 17, 2021 |
Eastlink: The Oru word has been used in Egypt/ Sudan( the Nile Delta) and the Niger Delta for centuries before you Jewish wannabes called Igbo were discovered by the British crown. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Bonny Island/ Ndoki by Eastlink(m): 3:25pm On Apr 17, 2021 |
PHijo:The internet is replete with your true identity. It was the Portuguese that gave you your name and identity. Jos was the name the Portuguese called you which you localized to Izons because you have no “J” in your alphabet. Some Jos aka Izons might be claiming Oru heritage to give your migrant status a bit of indigenous link, but you're not. You lots were invaders who came with the Portuguese. This is why land grabbing is part of your DNA. 4 Likes |
Re: Bonny Island/ Ndoki by PHijo(m): 3:29pm On Apr 17, 2021 |
Eastlink: As an indigene of Rivers, if not for cyberspace I would have put you in your place! Later when we start will crying yehn yehen. They allow people from other states. Are not fellow Nigerians? That is how you claimed the North because people like Azikiwe and Ojukwu were born there! You don't want Rivers to rest. I think you ran from North to Rivers state. Where will you run to next? Jerusalem, I believe. |
Re: Bonny Island/ Ndoki by AdakaBoro8(m): 3:33pm On Apr 17, 2021 |
Eastlink:now i see. you are the source of the stupidity... you blown out anything that come into your mind.. none of ibo practices can be compared to that of ORU.. all our forbidden things are that of the Oru.. none of the ibo forbidden is near to Oru.. Oru has no meaning in ibo.. but Oru means two great things in IJAW.. (1)Oru means gods in Ijaw... (2)Oru means ancient in Ijaw. so what heck you talking about? 1 Like |
Re: Bonny Island/ Ndoki by Eastlink(m): 3:36pm On Apr 17, 2021 |
PHijo:Anybody can claim to be an indigene of Rivers state. After all even those wey mount Batcha for Bundu dey claim Rivers. Aboki can claim too if him get Butcher shed for Diobu. Ipob sef dey claim Oyigbo. Why? Because Rivers doesn't discriminate. We tolerate everyone. You lots now have your Bayelsa state, I don't know wetin una still dey find for P/H. 5 Likes |
Re: Bonny Island/ Ndoki by Igboid: 3:40pm On Apr 17, 2021 |
Eastlink: I think she might be an Igbo woman married to Ijaw people or an Ijaw married to Igbo. But there is definitely an impurity there. 4 Likes |
Re: Bonny Island/ Ndoki by PHijo(m): 3:41pm On Apr 17, 2021 |
Eastlink: To claim we came with the Portuguese just tells how mad you are! I don't think case can be handled by Yabaleft. The only ethnic group in Nigeria that was recorded as back packers and errand boys of the English were the Igbo. This happened less than 200 years ago. There has no reference to the Ijaw as Jos. You chose to lie in a bid to pretend you know a few things. The Portuguese had interaction with the Ijaw for up to 400 hundred years before you Igbo were discovered. Even when discovered it took over 300 years before Europeans gain direct access to you and when they did, your ignorance and greed destroyed the economy of that part of the world. 1 Like |
Re: Bonny Island/ Ndoki by lebuhsi(m): 3:43pm On Apr 17, 2021 |
Igboid: "impurity" your fellow human being o, Fascists pricks 1 Like |
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