OkCornel:


Very good. How many persons make up the Godhead?

I’ll bring another scripture from John 17 for you.

Three manifestations make up the Godhead(Colossians 2:9 and Genesis 1).

OkCornel:


Where did Jesus call Himself the Father in that scripture? He’s a reflection (an image) of the Father, not the Father Himself.

Alright, please show us where Jesus (who clearly confessed to be the Son) claimed to be the Father too.

Waiting patiently.

So no answer to this question right? No walaha. I shall just assume you do not want to blaspheme since it is obvious you reject the divinity of Jesus.

OkCornel:


I’m not limiting God at all. I’m taking His word as it is without inserting my own thoughts or doctrines of men into it.

Another poser for you. Is Jesus also the Holy Spirit?

Please what exactly is your point with these multiple questions? Because I certainly do not see your reasons or logical point to aruge John14:9

John 17 v 1-5;

1. After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed:
“Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you.



2 For you granted him [/b]authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those [b]you have given him.

3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do.

5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began



Dear Ammishaddai, was God the Father praying to Himself in this scripture, or was God the Son praying to the Father?

Please explain to us how many persons are involved in this scripture? One person or two members of the God head?

Look at the bolded part of the scriptures and pick out the pronouns...

OkCornel:
John 17 v 1-5;

1. After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed:
“Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you.

2 For you granted him [/b]authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him.

3 Now this is eternal life: [b]that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

4[b] I have brought you[/b] glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do.

5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began



Dear Ammishaddai, was God the Father praying to Himself in this scripture, or was God the Son praying to the Father?

Please explain to us how many persons are involved in this scripture? One person or two members of the God head?

Now I ask you : why can't God pray to Himself? Or why can't God commune with Himself. Answer

Ammishaddai:
Now I ask you : why can't God pray to Himself? Or why can't God commune with Himself. Answer

It’s sheer madness, there would be precedents in the scriptures. Kindly show us where God the Father prayed to Himself since the creation of the world. I’m waiting patiently.

I know where God repented (had a change of mind), but please show us where God the Father prayed to Himself

OkCornel:


It’s sheer madness, there would be precedents in the scriptures. Kindly show us where God the Father prayed to Himself since the creation of the world. I’m waiting patiently.

I know where God repented (had a change of mind), but please show us where God the Father prayed to Himself

God causes an ax head to float in water yet you did not tag that madness abi? Kwantinue

OkCornel:


It’s sheer madness, there would be precedents in the scriptures. Kindly show us where God the Father prayed to Himself since the creation of the world. I’m waiting patiently.

I know where God repented (had a change of mind), but please show us where God the Father prayed to Himself

Why must there be precedents to how God chooses to behave? Please tell me since you have now become God's spokesman. And while you are at it,figure Isaiah 9:6.And kindly tell us why Isaiah chose to call Jesus "The everlasting Father ".

Ammishaddai:
God causes an ax head to float in water yet you did not tag that madness abi? Kwantinue

Nice diversion, please show us where God the Father prayed to Himself. Let’s start with the Old Testament, bring up scriptural references, patiently waiting

Ammishaddai:
Please what exactly is your point with these multiple questions? Because I certainly do not see your reasons or logical point to aruge John14:9

Is Jesus the Holy Spirit? Yes or No. Don’t dodge the question.

OkCornel:


Nice diversion, please show us where God the Father prayed to Himself. Let’s start with the Old Testament, bring up scriptural references, patiently waiting

I asked you a question and you have still not answered? It is well. When you have answers buzz me. But meanwhile, stop making Jesus a liar according (John14:9).

Ammishaddai:
So no answer to this question right? No walaha. I shall just assume you do not want to blaspheme since it is obvious you reject the divinity of Jesus.

The answer to your question regarding Phillip is in Colossians 1 v 15-16

I have answered you on this before, you don’t have to lie about it bros

Jesus is an image of the Father, as Colossians 1 v 15-16 clearly mentions. Why would Phillip want to see Father when his image/reflection was in flesh on earth?

OkCornel:


Nice diversion, please show us where God the Father prayed to Himself. Let’s start with the Old Testament, bring up scriptural references, patiently waiting

Bros when you are ready to debate kindly buzz me. But for now, you are shifting gears like tricycle.


Peace

Ammishaddai:
I asked you a question and you have still not answered? It is well. When you have answers buzz me. But meanwhile, stop making Jesus a liar according (John14:9).

I never shy away from your questions in case you’re looking for an excuse to run away.

John 14 v 9 is clarified in Colossians 1 v 15-16.

Unless your next argument is to tell us an image/reflection of something is also that same thing

OkCornel:


The answer to your question regarding Phillip is in Colossians 1 v 15-16

I have answered you on this before, you don’t have to lie about it bros

Jesus is an image of the Father, as Colossians 1 v 15-16 clearly mentions. Why would Phillip want to see Father when his image/reflection was in flesh on earth?

Did you read the yes or no clause I attached to the question? Of course you did not, you probably just decided to skip it since you knew that it is true. Which makes you a hypocrite

OkCornel:


I never shy away from your questions in case you’re looking for an excuse to run away.

John 14 v 9 is clarified in Colossians 1 v 15-16.

Unless your next argument is to tell us an image/reflection of something is also that same thing

I am looking for an excuse not to argue with one who is inconsistent

Ammishaddai:
Bros when you are ready to debate kindly buzz me. But for now, you are shifting gears like tricycle.


Peace

Someone just beat a hasty retreat. It’s okay, I understand.

Next time,

1) explain to us how a God the Father can be uncreated and yet be the first born of all creation at the same time.

2) Also explain to us how Jesus the Son of God can be seated at the right hand of the Father and yet this is one person.

3) A passage in Hebrews or one of Paul’s letters I think mentions how Jesus intercedes on our behalf to the Father. So God the Father is interceding to Himself abi?

Your position doesn’t add up at all, and John 17 v 21 kills your view point on claiming the Father is also the same person as the Son.

Ammishaddai:
I am looking for an excuse not to argue with one who is inconsistent

My position has been consistent right from my first post on this thread. The God head is made up of the Father, the Son and the Spirit.
They are a team of one mind and one goal.

The Father is not the Son and the Son is not the Holy Spirit and vice versa.


So no need to lie that I’m inconsistent. Everyone following this thread will read through. Thankfully, the internet never forgets...

[s]

OkCornel:


Someone just beat a hasty retreat. It’s okay, I understand.

Next time,

1) explain to us how a God the Father can be uncreated and yet be the first born of all creation at the same time.

2) Also explain to us how Jesus the Son of God can be seated at the right hand of the Father and yet this is one person.

3) A passage in Hebrews or one of Paul’s letters I think mentions how Jesus intercedes on our behalf to the Father. So God the Father is interceding to Himself abi?

Your position doesn’t add up at all, and John 17 v 21 kills your view point on claiming the Father is also the same person as the Son.

[/s] 1. I asked if Jesus lied to Philip when He said He was the Father, and dogded by asking a question with a question. Who does that?
2. I ask you why you find it impossible for God to be the Son (since this is a title) and at the same time be God. Which you still dodged by asking me a question. Showing more of your inconsistency.

3. I then said let me make things easy for you by simply boiling John 14:9 discourse with a Yes or No format of which you did not even give an answer, but still (as usual) dodged by quoting was was not even related to the topic and now, you want me to entertain your folly further? Oga, I do not have time for inconsistent persons.

Ammishaddai:
Why must there be precedents to how God chooses to behave? Please tell me since you have now become God's spokesman. And while you are at it,figure Isaiah 9:6.And kindly tell us why Isaiah chose to call Jesus "The everlasting Father ".

Dear brother, Jesus’ words are the ultimate standard, the answer to your question is in John 16 v 28. Well unless Jesus is the liar here now;

John 16 v 28;

28 “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

Pay attention to the words, for the Father is greater than I. If Jesus is the Father, then who is greater than who in that sentence hmmm?

Ammishaddai:
[s][/s] 1. I asked if Jesus lied to Philip when He said He was the Father, and dogded by asking a question with a question. Who does that?
2. I ask you why you find it impossible for God to be the Son (since this is a title) and at the same time be God. Which you still dodged by asking me a question. Showing more of your inconsistency.

3. I then said let me make things easy for you by simply boiling John 14:9 discourse with a Yes or No format of which you did not even give an answer, but still (as usual) dodged by quoting was was not even related to the topic and now, you want me to entertain your folly further? Oga, I do not have time for inconsistent persons.

And I’ve told you, Jesus is an image of the Father, Phillip didn’t have to see the Father if His reflection or image is already in the Son.

Colossians 1 v 15-16 clarifies this already. Jeez.

Jesus didn’t lie to Phillip. Unless you can tell us where in the scriptures Jesus said “I AM THE FATHER”

Waiting patiently.

Ammishaddai:
Now I ask you : why can't God pray to Himself? Or why can't God commune with Himself. Answer

He can’t, there’s no scriptural reference or precedent showing us where God the Father prayed to Himself.

Or can you show us? Especially from the Old Testament?

OkCornel:


Dear brother, Jesus’ words are the ultimate standard, the answer to your question is in John 16 v 28. Well unless Jesus is the liar here now;

John 16 v 28;

28 “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

Pay attention to the words, for the Father is greater than I. If Jesus is the Father, then who is greater than who in that sentence hmmm?

So Isaiah lied that Jesus is the Father, right? Can you see how you keep getting into more and more trouble...

OkCornel:


He can’t, there’s no scriptural reference or precedent showing us where God the Father prayed to Himself.

Or can you show us? Especially from the Old Testament?

This particular question is ideological and it has nothing to do with the bible. I asked it to understand how you view God. And from your answer, your view is equivalent to that of Muslims.

Ammishaddai:
So Isaiah lied that Jesus is the Father, right? Can you see how you keep getting into more and more trouble...

I just replied you with Jesus words nau. Should I take Isaiah’s words over that of Jesus?

Just show us where Jesus said “I AM THE FATHER”

I’ve also shown you John 16 v 28, Just tell us Jesus was lying there when he said “the Father is greater than I”.


I wonder who sees the truth more clearly, Isaiah or Jesus? Oh wait, Jesus is the Truth himself isn’t he? So did he lie when he said “the Father is greater than I” hmmm?

Please show us anywhere in the scripture Jesus said “I AM THE FATHER”

Ammishaddai:
This particular question is ideological and it has nothing to do with the bible. I asked it to understand how you view God. And from your answer, your view is equivalent to that of Muslims.

Just show us where the Father prayed to Himself nau?

It’s so simple and straightforward, the son is not the Father, and the son is not greater than the Father

1 Corinthians 11 v 3;

3 But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God

Dear Ammishaddai, if Jesus is the Father and the Son at the same time, please explain who is the head of Jesus in this scripture?

OkCornel:


I just replied you with Jesus words nau. Should I take Isaiah’s words over that of Jesus?

Just show us where Jesus said “I AM THE FATHER”

I’ve also shown you John 16 v 28, Just tell us Jesus was lying there when he said “the Father is greater than I”.


I wonder who sees the truth more clearly, Isaiah or Jesus? Oh wait, Jesus is the Truth himself isn’t he? So did he lie when he said “the Father is greater than I” hmmm?

Please show us anywhere in the scripture Jesus said “I AM THE FATHER”

So in conclusion, you reject some parts of the bible that do not sit well with your interpretation of what is written. So I can safely conclude that you doubt the words of Isaiah by calling him a liar, and hold unto the words of the apostles who wrote the gospels on the principles of Isaiah. Right? Nice one. Anyway, Kwantinue tagging certain authors of the bible liars. And who knows, you may just end up like Muhammad of the Quran who tagged what he like and threw what he did not like in the Bible

Ammishaddai:
So in conclusion, you reject some parts of the bible that do not sit well with your interpretation of what is written. So I can safely conclude that you doubt the words of Isaiah by calling him a liar, and hold unto the words of the apostles who wrote the gospels on the principles of Isaiah. Right? Nice one. Anyway, Kwantinue tagging certain authors of the bible liars. And who knows, you may just end up like Muhammad of the Quran who tagged what he like and threw what he did not like in the Bible

Jesus’ words are the things I hold onto ultimately.

For example, do you still hold onto the laws of Moses “ an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth”?

Does that also mean that law wasn’t from God?

Jesus is the purest version of truth there will ever be. So please show us where Jesus said “I AM THE FATHER”

Simple.

Please also explain who Jesus’ head is in 1 Corinthians 11 v 3. If Jesus is the Father and the Son at the same time, well unless Paul is a liar too.

OkCornel:


Jesus’ words are the things I hold onto ultimately.

For example, do you still hold onto the laws of Moses “ an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth”?

Does that also mean that law wasn’t from God?

Jesus is the purest version of truth there will ever be. So please show us where Jesus said “I AM THE FATHER”

Simple.

Please also explain who Jesus’ head is in 1 Corinthians 11 v 3. If Jesus is the Father and the Son at the same time.

Please tear out those pages of your Bible and hold onto the one that suits your fancy. And who knows, you may end uo having your own personal Quran just like Muhammad

Ammishaddai:
Please tear out those pages of your Bible and hold onto the one that suits your fancy. And who knows, you may end uo having your own personal Quran just like Muhammad

You’re getting emotional now. Calm down.

We’re having a discussion, not a debate. Do you get this emotional when you evangelise? Lol...

Check out the fruits of the Spirit and don’t lose your cool okay?

Now are you suggesting I should stick to Moses law of an eye for an eye, or Jesus’ instruction to turn the other cheek if I’m struck? These are both in the scriptures nau? Obviously Jesus’ words are the ultimate standards of truth even though both instructions are from God and is in the scriptures


I have in no way denied Jesus’ divinity so relax. My simple point here is the Father is not the Son and vice versa.

Now read 1 Corinthians 11 v 3 and tell us who Jesus’ head is.